Re: [tw5] Re: Visual Design Thoughts, #14 revision T7

Thomas, Looks to me like this aspect of the TiddlyWiki UI is not as amenable to "hacking" or modification as are other parts. Perhaps modifying this to allow overriding should be the first step? Regards Tony On Thursday, May 23, 2019 at 7:29:51 AM UTC+10, Thomas Elmiger wrote: > > Tony, > >

Re: [tw5] Re: Visual Design Thoughts, #14 revision T7

Tony, I assume you are right, the built-in colours of TW seem to stem from this standard. They can be found in $:/core/modules/utils/dom/csscolorparser.js BUT: tachyons.io uses other definitions for a colour palette conaining identical names ... see http://tachyons.io/#style and scroll down.

Re: [tw5] Re: Visual Design Thoughts, #14 revision T7

Thomas, If I understand correctly colour names come from a html / css standard - see here https://www.w3schools.com/cssref/css_colors.asp If you wanted you could make a table or index mapping names to hex values. Then of course there are set of names that are defined in tiddlywiki for

Re: [tw5] Re: Visual Design Thoughts, #14 revision T7

Hi folks, This is going in a direction I like! I should go to bed, so I'll try to keep my input short for this time. And I am writing this from my memory, there might be errors. What I borrowed from *tachyons.io* for https://tid.li/tw5/test/bricks.html (warning: not cleaned up) is mainly its

Re: [tw5] Re: Visual Design Thoughts, #14 revision T7

On Monday, May 20, 2019 at 4:49:00 PM UTC+2, Mohammad wrote: > > Hi Jeremy, > > I strongly support this! Having css frameworks in TW can boost it and lets > easily adopt it for different uses like elegant web pages. > Like Mario, I recommend a more up to date CSS even the lifetime of them > are

Re: [tw5] Re: Visual Design Thoughts, #14 revision T7

More input: While I tried to adopt several parts of Bootstrap in Shiraz plugin, but I think Bulma (https://bulma.io/) may be a better choice as it is lighter 100% modular and JS free!! I would like to recommend the below page describes the pros and cos of most popular CSS framework.

Re: [tw5] Re: Visual Design Thoughts, #14 revision T7

Hi Jeremy, I strongly support this! Having css frameworks in TW can boost it and lets easily adopt it for different uses like elegant web pages. Like Mario, I recommend a more up to date CSS even the lifetime of them are around 5 years. --Mohammad On Sunday, May 19, 2019 at 6:07:42 PM

Re: [tw5] Re: Visual Design Thoughts, #14 revision T7

> > Jeremy Ruston wrote: > ... > >> Yuck. One problem is that the average lifetime of things like CSS >> frameworks is only 2-5 years, and TW5 has already been around for a lot >> longer than that. There’s a danger that anything that we adopt will become >> abandoned and unmaintained. That’s

Re: [tw5] Re: Visual Design Thoughts, #14 revision T7

Hi Mario > As far as I can see, tachions grid is based on float: left. ... Which is imo > out of date if you want to start a new UI system. It depends on well defined > clear-fixes , which make it hard > for most users to do things right. Yuck. One

Re: [tw5] Re: Visual Design Thoughts, #14 revision T7

On Sunday, May 19, 2019 at 3:37:42 PM UTC+2, Jeremy Ruston wrote: > > I’m keen to introduce a new default theme as part of a future v5.2.x > version of TW5. I’d definitely be wanting to use an off-the-shelf > framework, and tend to favour the simpler ones that focus on typography, > such as

Re: [tw5] Re: Visual Design Thoughts, #14 revision T7

I’m keen to introduce a new default theme as part of a future v5.2.x version of TW5. I’d definitely be wanting to use an off-the-shelf framework, and tend to favour the simpler ones that focus on typography, such as Tachyons (https://tachyons.io/ ). As others have

[tw5] Re: Visual Design Thoughts, #14 revision T7

Josiah, You say *without conversion to TW classes. * Is this because you want to change fundamentally the way tiddlyWiki works?. I use the css in these frameworks to craft content within my tiddlers typically using html with wikitext embeded to generate lists and columns or display a value.

[tw5] Re: Visual Design Thoughts, #14 revision T7

Ciao TonyM TonyM wrote: > > My 2 cents. The addition of w3cc, bootstrap etc... is trivial, just obtain > the desired css file install and tag as a stylesheet. > IMO its not trivial. Its not useful to install css libraries without conversion to TW classes. And that is slog. It is serious work,

[tw5] Re: Visual Design Thoughts, #14 revision T7

> > Right now I sense the issue is about getting some base library that can > replace Vanilla, look like it, but have the better layout matrices CSS now > inhabit's? > Hear, hear. I strongly support it. It might be a long and arduous journey, but a pressing need, especially for those who

[tw5] Re: Visual Design Thoughts, #14 revision T7

Folks, My 2 cents. The addition of w3cc, bootstrap etc... is trivial, just obtain the desired css file install and tag as a stylesheet. I feel this is adequate to provide a great deal of opportunities to a designer and keeps tiddlywiki open to internet standard solutions and css frameworks out

[tw5] Re: Visual Design Thoughts, #14 revision T7

Riz I seen and used your CSS morphs of libraries. Very good. Right now I sense the issue is about getting some base library that can replace Vanilla, look like it, but have the better layout matrices CSS now inhabits? (I often feel like the guy who saw but could not do.) IMO CSS is staring

[tw5] Re: Visual Design Thoughts, #14 revision T7

In the Dev Google I wrote an enthusiastic note about Thomas Elmiger's CSS BRICKS plugin. Even if you don't like his library choice I think its a very skilful move towards what a CSS editing environment should look like. Details:

[tw5] Re: Visual Design Thoughts, #14 revision T7

PMario wrote from the Death Star... > > > In a Galaxy >Far Away and Long Ago > TiddlyWiki used bootstrap css > BUT it only got in the way and stepped on our feet > I'm no way clear about which/whether a CSS library would work. My

[tw5] Re: Visual Design Thoughts, #14 revision T7

On Thursday, May 16, 2019 at 5:49:58 AM UTC+2, Mohammad wrote: ... > In Shiraz I tried to adopt part of bootstrap css framework! I think TW > will be much more powerful then! > In a Galaxy Far Away and Long Ago TiddlyWiki used

[tw5] Re: Visual Design Thoughts, #14 revision T7

Mat, Riz, David, Mohammad Three points... 1 -- I agree my initial post was somewhat a mess :-) I was groping to articulate what I meant. 2 -- What I was trying to get at is that CSS design options are likely best shown VISUALLY. What I mean is that though I KNOW TW does my interest

[tw5] Re: Visual Design Thoughts, #14 revision T7

I support Riz idea! In Shiraz I tried to adopt part of bootstrap css framework! I think TW will be much more powerful then! --Mohammad On Wednesday, May 15, 2019 at 6:16:15 AM UTC+4:30, Riz wrote: > > I like the direction of discussion, even if I don't exactly grasp the > advantages of the

[tw5] Re: Visual Design Thoughts, #14 revision T7

TiddlyTweeter is asking about the kind of behavior found in this long html I created with StackEdit. http://giffmex.org/experiments/mateo.28.16.20.html Click on any link and it moves up and down the 'story river' to the right section. I think that is standard TiddlyWiki behavior, right? Thus

[tw5] Re: Visual Design Thoughts, #14 revision T7

> > In the original example. Menu sticks. All items are expanded already. > Then no need for any expanding ToC then; just make it a list. > Click menu and whole river scrolls up and down > No prob as long as everything is already opened which is simple if the menu is a list, i.e just use

[tw5] Re: Visual Design Thoughts, #14 revision T7

I won't rise to your cryptic amelioration :-) In the original example. Menu sticks. All items are expanded already. Click menu and whole river scrolls up and down AND the clicked menu item is styled (highlighted) to give orientation. AND its on the left. Josiah, x On Tuesday, 14 May 2019

[tw5] Re: Visual Design Thoughts, #14 revision T7

@TiddlyTweeter wrote: > > Click left. Align any top on click. Menu persists in place. > Cryptic language. But OK; In what way does standard TW not align any tiddler at top when title is clicked and the menu persists? <:-) -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google

[tw5] Re: Visual Design Thoughts, #14 revision T7

Click left. Align any top on click. Menu persists in place. Excuse me if done. I'd need an example as I have not seen one yet. I'd be on it like a rabbit if I had. J, x On Tuesday, 14 May 2019 18:10:10 UTC+2, Mat wrote: > > Do we have nice CSS & TOC's & ID's to do this in TiddlyWiki easily?

[tw5] Re: Visual Design Thoughts, #14 revision T7

> > Do we have nice CSS & TOC's & ID's to do this in TiddlyWiki easily? > Do what actually? Have the "Open" list to the left of the river? Or what is special? <:-) -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "TiddlyWiki" group. To unsubscribe from this

[tw5] Re: Visual Design Thoughts, #14 revision T7

Repeat for those on email. On Tuesday, 14 May 2019 14:49:24 UTC+2, @TiddlyTweeter wrote: > > I like visual design, especially navigation, almost as much as operetta ( > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-H--Z9UzQYE). > > I can't do code, but I can do thought ... > > Do we have nice CSS & TOC's &