Re: [tw5] Competition for v5.1.23 artwork

[Alex Hough]

Hello All,

I realise that this suggestion is a bit late in the day. Some ideas

Set a release date to coincide with a date which already has some meaning
to it.

For example each edition could be released on a date where there is a new
moon. Each release inherits concepts and metaphors associated with the moon!

Or a full moon? This could evoke the Lunar Society (
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lunar_Society_of_Birmingham)

The TiddlyWiki community could then be framed as a kind of society of
scholars continuing a missing to share ideas and ideas about sharing ideas
through continuous international, collaboration amongst a diverse set of
people with diverse interests. What they have in common is the urge to
store, remember, link, list and systematize using TiddlyWiki.

Somehow evoke a sense of mystery and pleasurable puzzlement that brings
people into the community of uses.

Another way to go would be to systematically promote the links between
TiddlyWiki and the cat logo. Images of cats looking at things with
curiosity?


In both these ideas I started thinking about an abstraction of what
TiddlyWiki is actually for. For me it's the sense of curiosity.

Perhaps we could seek to evoke the feeling which sparks the urge to
systematize information revealed in a moment of epiphany. And the pleasure
this brings when its an amateur pursuit

best wishes

Alex





On Wed, 25 Nov 2020 at 11:55, Saq Imtiaz  wrote:

> @springer if you have the time and the interest, a variant of " larger
> keycaps hint " that fits the required dimensions (560x315 ) would be
> interesting.
>
> On Wednesday, November 25, 2020 at 1:56:44 AM UTC+1 springer wrote:
>
>> Dave, done. (Visible, along with other variants with subtle keycap
>> imagery, at the site,
>> https://springerspandrel.github.io/tw/logo-play.html)
>> Just one stray thought: I wonder whether strings like 5.1.23 might (in
>> some places) get misread as date tags (May 1 2023, or Jan 5 2023, depending
>> on local conventions) ...
>> If so, perhaps having a "v." (as in v.5.1.23) in the logo might help.
>>
>> On Tuesday, November 24, 2020 at 6:54:52 PM UTC-5 David Gifford wrote:
>>
>>> I like the right side of "TW 5.1.23 rectangular logo" could you do that
>>> as a separate entry?
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, November 24, 2020 at 5:38:26 PM UTC-6 springer wrote:
>>>
 Hey all, rather than bombard the list with variants, I just set up a tw
 page with alternatives, including one with a keycaps theme:

 https://springerspandrel.github.io/tw/logo-play.html
 On Tuesday, November 24, 2020 at 5:28:00 PM UTC-5 j.te...@gmail.com
 wrote:

> Definitely a +1 for springer's artwork.
>
> Best wishes,
> Julio
>
> On Tuesday, November 24, 2020 at 3:59:04 PM UTC-5 saq.i...@gmail.com
> wrote:
>
>> I give up. GG just hangs when I try to include an image.
>>
>> On Tuesday, November 24, 2020 at 9:53:10 PM UTC+1 Saq Imtiaz wrote:
>>
>>> This is a quick mash up on the phone just to illustrate the idea
>>> (and obviously the wrong aspect ratio) but perhaps it might inspire 
>>> someone
>>> else.
>>>
>>>
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[tw5] Re: What is TiddlyWiki's demographic, both current and intended?

[Alex Hough]

Tony, 

Building on 

1) "odd intellectual"  ... perhaps  people who are interested in learning 
things for themselves are attracted to TW. 

Standard intellectuals, academics within institutions perhaps use a 
standard kit: Word integrated with a reference manager. They are focused on 
producing texts in a particular format grounded in a literature typically 
requiring a connection to an institution to get hold of.

2) "artists (with a tech bent)" ... and / or perhaps techies with an 
artistic bent. The blending of tool making with text making is where it 
gets interesting for me. I'm explicitly  STEAM not STEM [1] in Cuckoo and 
Caddisfly mode, Brian Eno's thoughts [2] on the ecology of indie music in 
the UK inspire my thinking. 


TiddlyWiki's ecology is free from institutional and corporate influence and 
constraints, it's an indie scene, low fi, DIY, punk, grunge acid house not 
corporate rock or classical music. There's something of the avant-garde in 
the TiddlyVerse, it's always under development, we can all see the 
pre-release and the discussions around the tool. Everything is in the open, 
there is no immediately apparent financial reward from becoming an expert 
at TW. Intrinsic motivation [3] seem to be a main motivation for many 
users. 


TiddlyWiki, a Non-linear personal toolmaker,  the intertwingling of text 
and tool within a community of non-linear notemakers

Alex

[1] 
https://theconversation.com/explainer-whats-the-difference-between-stem-and-steam-95713#:~:text=STEM%20represents%20science%2C%20technology%2C%20engineering,arts%2C%20design%20and%20new%20media.=The%20main%20difference%20between%20STEM,explicitly%20focuses%20on%20scientific%20concepts.
[2] https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p033smwp
[3] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Motivation#Intrinsic_motivation

On Monday, 22 June 2020 02:20:08 UTC+1, TW Tones wrote:
>
> Alex,
>
> Once again you are responding from the demographic we share, the "odd 
> intellectual" :) ?
>
> Non-linear thinking (and texts - is it best to treat them both as the same 
>> thing?) can be seen "fork" in a garden path.
>>
>
> I think the fact tiddlywiki supports non-linear records and concepts 
> ignores that fact it is also very good at any type of structure such as 
> list/hierarchical, networks etc..., or no structure at all. This is the 
> deficit model of description, the market is not good at "non-linear" so we 
> define tiddlywiki as "non-linear" although it goes far beyond that. I 
> wonder if tiddlywiki's catch phrase attracts more artists (with a tech 
> bent) than techies as a result?
>  
>
>> In TiddlyWiki we have "missing links" and "orphans" but we don't have a 
>> way of tracking hierarchies of tags. We can have a tiddler supported by 
>> multiple tags and some of those tags might be intended to mark position in 
>> a hierarchy. Jumping from a tiddler to a tag and then to another tag is a 
>> more difficult navigation than following the same number of links. Going up 
>> and down the ladder of abstraction only makes sense when there are small 
>> visible steps. I was thinking of situations, mechanisms and behaviors to 
>> make hyper-textual leaps up the ladders of abstraction and then along a few 
>> forked paths. And the other way, trying to trace a way down to solid ground 
>> from a far out thought.
>>
>
> We can do what we want in Tiddlywiki, I thus cant agree with this 
> paragraph, ask and we can provide, if not already.
>
>   
>
>> I am most grateful for the TiddlyVerse for sparking my imagination. Like 
>> many folk round the world I've not been getting out much recently... 
>> perhaps I've completely lost it!
>>
>
> Me too Alex, and for me it's value includes also sparking your (and 
> others) imaginations.
>  
> Regards
> Tony
>

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[tw5] Re: What is TiddlyWiki's demographic, both current and intended?

[Alex Hough]

n bring the text I wrote into a TW. The 
highest level tag can be seen as those made under the cuckoo and caddisfly 
gmail account, then there is plain text with links and then -- hopefully -- 
a TW that fills in the gaps.

I am conscious that in other context posts like this would be way off 
topic, and I wouldn't normally make them in TW. But I took the idea that 
users are by definition non-linear friendly and there may be some value to 
readers. I am most grateful for the TiddlyVerse for sparking my 
imagination. Like many folk round the world I've not been getting out much 
recently... perhaps I've completely lost it!

[[peace]]

Alex
[1] https://groups.google.com/d/msg/tiddlywiki/tTUKcHOObE0/VsWxm65eBgAJ
[2] http://thomasteepe-archiv.de/
[3] https://tiddlywiki.com/#%24%3A%2FSiteSubtitle
[4] https://www.thisiscolossal.com/2014/07/hubert-duprat-caddisflies/


On Thursday, 18 June 2020 01:02:42 UTC+1, TiddlyTweeter wrote:
>
> Alex
>
> I hope you are collecting your "speeches" somewhere! :-) ... by the 
> neatness & footnotes I'm assuming you wrote this in a wiki? Yes?
>
> Best wishes
> Josiah
>
> On Wednesday, 17 June 2020 22:53:44 UTC+2, Alex Hough wrote:
>>
>> Tony said something on the thread that Thomas started to share his TW on 
>> the subject of problem solving: "its molding clay for the mind"[1]. I think 
>> these type of user are the ones Birthe identifies as the "many that we know 
>> nothing about."
>>
>> Looking back into the history of of TiddlyWiki there have been some 
>> serious and high profile computer scientists such as Joe Armstrong. In his 
>> talkwith Jeremy "Intertwingling the Tiddlywiki with Erlang" [3] he 
>> starts by talking about Ted Nelson a pioneer of hypertext which Jeremy 
>> picks up on later in the talk.
>>
>> Steve Schneider has used TW to teach hyper-textual and interactive 
>> writing. DesignWriteStudio [4] is a freely available resource built using a 
>> TiddlyWiki to help explore hyper-text and interactive texts. An early 
>> example of his work using TiddlyWiki is "Companion to Web Campaigning 
>> Kirsten 
>> A. Foot & Steven M. Schneider MIT Press, 2006"  [5]. There is a paper on 
>> TiddlyWiki being used as an interactive note pad to help teach science. [6]
>>
>> Joe Armstrong talks about "all in oneness" and from reading his GitHub 
>> hosted TW he likes the fact that TW is a Quine ("a curiosity of computer 
>> science", says Jeremy in the talk), putting it at the top of  list [7].
>>
>> I imagine that "those who we know nothing about" may include those who 
>> have come to TW with previous interests in the fundamentals of hypertext 
>> writing, computer science and research in general like Joe and Steve.
>>
>> There's a long list of professional / expert developers with a passion 
>> for open source development. Eric Schulman is without doubt the longest 
>> standing example here.  The developers coming and going over the years tend 
>> not to be those following the to the latest fads and trends, perhaps 
>> because TW is not a technology which lends itself to commercialisation in 
>> the same way as being a master of a particularly in demand framework. I 
>> think many developers don't get TW, but those who do seem to be those with 
>> a deep understanding and application of the elegance of design. 
>>
>> There is at least three doctors: Saq, Rizwan, Abraham. A missionary (Dave 
>> Gifford) and a  Mohhmaed chemical engineer. These people have become highly 
>> proficient TW developers. Saq talks about learning to code using TiddlyWiki 
>> in the recent Hangout [8]. There are some more hangouts planned -- 
>> currently on hold (get well soon Jeremy!) -- but they are something 
>> TiddlyWiki fan like myself are quite excited about. 
>>
>>
>> I think the best way of finding out about the users of TW is probably to 
>> start using TW and explore the eco-system. Because TW is an off line 
>> technology without data collection by design, I think traditional methods 
>> of analysis might not work so well. The community is small enough to get to 
>> know regular contributors and the issues they try to solve. 
>>
>>
>>  
>> Alex
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> [1] http://thomasteepe-archiv.de/
>> [2] 
>> https://groups.google.com/forum/#!msg/tiddlywiki/tTUKcHOObE0/VsWxm65eBgAJ
>> [3] 
>> https://www.softwaretalks.io/v/6705/joe-armstrong-and-jeremy-ruston-intertwingling-the-tiddlywiki-with-erlang-code-mesh-ldn-18
>> [4] http://designwritestudio.com/
>> [5] 
>> https://web.archive.org/we

[tw5] Re: What is TiddlyWiki's demographic, both current and intended?

[Alex Hough]

Tony said something on the thread that Thomas started to share his TW on 
the subject of problem solving: "its molding clay for the mind"[1]. I think 
these type of user are the ones Birthe identifies as the "many that we know 
nothing about."

Looking back into the history of of TiddlyWiki there have been some serious 
and high profile computer scientists such as Joe Armstrong. In his talkwith 
Jeremy "Intertwingling the Tiddlywiki with Erlang" [3] he starts by talking 
about Ted Nelson a pioneer of hypertext which Jeremy picks up on later in 
the talk.

Steve Schneider has used TW to teach hyper-textual and interactive writing. 
DesignWriteStudio [4] is a freely available resource built using a 
TiddlyWiki to help explore hyper-text and interactive texts. An early 
example of his work using TiddlyWiki is "Companion to Web Campaigning Kirsten 
A. Foot & Steven M. Schneider MIT Press, 2006"  [5]. There is a paper on 
TiddlyWiki being used as an interactive note pad to help teach science. [6]

Joe Armstrong talks about "all in oneness" and from reading his GitHub 
hosted TW he likes the fact that TW is a Quine ("a curiosity of computer 
science", says Jeremy in the talk), putting it at the top of  list [7].

I imagine that "those who we know nothing about" may include those who have 
come to TW with previous interests in the fundamentals of hypertext 
writing, computer science and research in general like Joe and Steve.

There's a long list of professional / expert developers with a passion for 
open source development. Eric Schulman is without doubt the longest 
standing example here.  The developers coming and going over the years tend 
not to be those following the to the latest fads and trends, perhaps 
because TW is not a technology which lends itself to commercialisation in 
the same way as being a master of a particularly in demand framework. I 
think many developers don't get TW, but those who do seem to be those with 
a deep understanding and application of the elegance of design. 

There is at least three doctors: Saq, Rizwan, Abraham. A missionary (Dave 
Gifford) and a  Mohhmaed chemical engineer. These people have become highly 
proficient TW developers. Saq talks about learning to code using TiddlyWiki 
in the recent Hangout [8]. There are some more hangouts planned -- 
currently on hold (get well soon Jeremy!) -- but they are something 
TiddlyWiki fan like myself are quite excited about. 


I think the best way of finding out about the users of TW is probably to 
start using TW and explore the eco-system. Because TW is an off line 
technology without data collection by design, I think traditional methods 
of analysis might not work so well. The community is small enough to get to 
know regular contributors and the issues they try to solve. 


 
Alex




[1] http://thomasteepe-archiv.de/
[2] 
https://groups.google.com/forum/#!msg/tiddlywiki/tTUKcHOObE0/VsWxm65eBgAJ
[3] 
https://www.softwaretalks.io/v/6705/joe-armstrong-and-jeremy-ruston-intertwingling-the-tiddlywiki-with-erlang-code-mesh-ldn-18
[4] http://designwritestudio.com/
[5] 
https://web.archive.org/web/20061103082226/http://mitpress.mit.edu/books/0262062585/WebCampaigningDigitalSupplement.html#%5B%5BWelcome%20to%20the%20Web%20Campaigning%20Digital%20Supplement%5D%5D
[6] 
http://people.sunyit.edu/~krieseg/IDT590/Scrapbook/data/20111205115236/4-ithet-2006.pdf
[7]  https://joearms.github.io/#Index
[8] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lvnqgfvohfM

On Wednesday, 17 June 2020 19:13:05 UTC+1, Birthe C wrote:
>
> How would we know? Maybe the people here guess some numbers, but in 
> reality TiddlyWiki is used by many that we know nothing about. 
>
>
> Birthe
>

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[tw5] Re: Tiddlywiki for problem solving

[Alex Hough]

Hi Thomas,

First of all welcome to the group! I hope you will find the community 
around TiddlyWiki inspiring. 

Over the past decade (!) --- as a user, tinkerer, fan and avid follower of 
the community --- I have found that my thinking and creativity away from 
TiddlyWiki are shaped by experience of it and its eco-system. Credit is due 
to Jeremy (and many other community members) for creating a culture 
characterised by ego-free generosity. It might not be immediately apparent 
on the first visit to the homepage that the TiddlyWiki (TW) project *as a 
whole* is an example of a very elegant and emergent design. For me the 
project as a whole helps my creativity and problem solving processes.

I too am a fan of Zettelkasten and over the years there have been several 
other Zettlekasten fans who have made contributions to this Google group. 
Jeremy has also noted the influence of Hypercard, an early hypertext / 
index card piece of software on his thinking. Lurmann's work appears to me 
as also salient in a conversation around communities, information and 
systems. His work seems not to attract the attention it deserves in the 
English speaking systems thinking / complexity science communities, at 
least from my perspective on the edge of such communities in the North West 
of England. It has been interesting-- for me--to contrast the culture 
within systems thinking groups to TiddlyWiki: maybe more of this later!

The zettelkasten concept is a useful one to bring into the TiddlyVerse. 
Another systems oriented thinker to champion the index card was Ross Ashby. 
His method or working involved journaling and indexing, his archive is 
online [2]. For me Ashby's work and his concept of requisite variety are 
also useful resources to draw on when problem solving.

Finding out more about Lurmann and his work then trying to build something 
of your own in a community of people building their own thinking and 
organising tools is marvellous scaffolding solving a problem. Combine 
elements Luhrmann's social systems and Ashby's law of requisite variety and 
you'd have a blueprint for solving the most difficult of problems: a 
suitably diverse group of people all conscious of the learning system they 
are co-creating! Bingo! 

The TW community is diverse in many dimensions. Career specialisations, 
interests and geographic location. Where as most open source software 
projects attract IT professionals categorised by tribes within software or 
tech, TW is not. I like to see TW as a metaphorical playground or garden 
where ideas fall into place. While trying to learn how to do something in 
TW "Ah-Ah! moments" can occur: this reminds me of Synectics [3]

The garden metaphor has been linked to wikis and hypertext for quite some 
time. Ward's Wiki, the original wiki, was concerned with the transfer of 
knowledge from architecture into software development: the nature of 
complex evolving structures and systems, how to manage them, how to design 
them collaboratively to make a whole worth more than the sum of its parts. 
I think its worth keeping Christopher Alexander's Pattern Language Book and 
the (counter) culture in which it emerged and is grounded. TW carries 
forward a utopian version of how people and communities use the web and the 
electronic hypertext. TW --to me-- comes from the same history of though as 
Tim Berners Lee and the Electronic Frontier Foundation, free to use for 
all, respect for privacy. Read the TW forum and you will notice these 
values running through the community and the software design. TW is an open 
garden and with its own Borgesesque Labyrinths. 

TW is  a zettlekasten and a labyrith, both are useful in problem solving.


I subscribe to the argument that thinking and making (and tool making and 
using) are intertwined. Architect and theorist Juhani Pallasmaa makes this 
point in The Thinking Hand [1]. I recently came across the work of Kim 
Sterelny [4] who has applied Richard Dawkins concept of the extended 
phenotype to culture [5] and the extended mind which leads to a path 
towards 4e cognition [6]. It leads me to some new areas where I found 
people like E O Wilson and concepts of reductionism and convergence. Taking 
these paths is made easier and less intimidating for me because of my 
experience with TW. I don't mind that I don't fully understand Richard 
Dawkins extended phenotype or reductionism: I'm made a link to them - they 
are missing tiddlers. I roughly know how they are tagged and what they are 
tagging and I have made a decision not to spend my attention reading up on 
them. 

Decisions on how to spend your own attention are ones I think people are 
increasingly thinking about. We are living in an era where attention has 
been commodified (see Zuboff [7], Wu [8]) and the neurological mechanisms 
of reward are being uncovered [9] and how they influence human behaviour, 
the need to compete and the ability to cooperate. My recent thinking has 
taken me towards 

Re: [tw5] Re: Feedback needed for experimental update to TiddlyBlink

[Alex Hough]

Dave,

All this look very exciting.

The first thing I thought was : wouldn't it be wonderful if it had the
recent annotation tools -- those on the publisher TW

Alex

On Fri, 24 Apr 2020 at 05:43, Tony K  wrote:

> Hello David
>
> Thank you for the efforts putting this together, I  hope you do not mind a
> few suggestions / questions ?
>
>
>- The "footer" of TiddlyBlink was better to my eyes (simply references
>with the option to change 'View references as:' from the menu
>- Can we hide the "references" none exists?
>- is there an easy way to add "breadcrumbs" on top of the tiddler?
>i.e. From Tiddler 2 you use a link to jump to Tiddler 3 and on the top of
>Tiddler 3 you have Tiddler 1 >> Tiddler 2 both clickable ? kind of a
>"Parent - Child" relationship ?
>- The indentation between the UL items is somehow big
>
>
> bug thanks again
>
>
> On Tuesday, April 21, 2020 at 5:30:36 PM UTC+3, David Gifford wrote:
>>
>> Hi all
>>
>> Looking at updating TiddlyBlink with the features explained in this link:
>> two columns of tiddlers, folding tiddlers, moving tiddlers between columns.
>> A HUGE thank you to Saq Imtiaz and TonyM for their help with this.
>>
>> https://giffmex.org/experiments/tiddlyblink.experiment.html
>>
>> Known things to fix:
>>
>> 1) Wide gap between columns when the sidebar is open *(we will probably
>> leave this alone for now, very minor issue)*
>> 2) Sidebar should probably close by default when shift clicking to start
>> a new column *(fixed: problem was a width setting)*
>> 3) Close others in viewtoolbar is not working properly* (I just need to
>> explain in instructions that it only works within the same story, not
>> across stories)*
>> 4) Completely redo the instructions. *(I plan to do video instructions)*
>>
>> Comments? Frustrations? Confusion? Questions?
>>
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Re: [tw5] Re: Tiddlywiki and Coronavirus

[Alex Hough]

how about a hangout!

Alex

On Thu, 19 Mar 2020 at 12:06, Birthe C  wrote:

> @Gloom,
> Exactly. I just wonder if it would not have been a good idea to keep some
> of the old analogue ways of doing things. Just for an alternative. It
> happens often enough that the tech solution does not work. Is laid down,
> hacked or just not suited for some situations. You need something to log in
> that you can really only apply for when you are logged in.
> For some purposes snail mail worked very well.
>
> Our taxation has not been working for about 20 years now leaking enormous
> amount of money. Expensive programming that did not work dropped and
> something new costing even more.
>
> Converting the medical journals to digital version and all the fancy
> possibilities that offered was costly. That came with a cost. Closure of
> the local hospitals to have a few very big and specialised ones. Well with
> the cost rising they never got that big though. Cut in the staff doctors
> and nurses. Same group complaining that about half of their time was now
> used at the computer.
>
> Most people will find that very relevant right now.
>
> Great illustration the "Simulitis".
>
> As yes, I know exactly what you mean ;-)
>
> Birthe
>
>
>
> torsdag den 19. marts 2020 kl. 12.00.25 UTC+1 skrev A Gloom:
>>
>> @Birthe
>>
>> If you ever hear me grumbling about someone not be able to think their
>> way out of their box left think outside of it now you'll know what I mean :
>> )
>>
>>
>>> Do you think that younger people loving all the new possibilities will
>>> all be loving it when they get old?
>>>
>>
>> they will just be like the old of the previous generation-- they will be
>> used to the technology of their time and out of touch will technology of
>> the next generation.  Its a repeating cycle of Life-- today's old were more
>> tech savvy than their elders..
>>
>>  an interesting demo (animated info graphics) supporting the social
>> distancing approach to Covid
>>
>>
>> https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/2020/world/corona-simulator/?utm_campaign=wp_main_medium=social_source=twitter
>>
>>
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Re: [tw5] Re: Question about: Printing in Tiddlywiki

[Alex Hough]

Done! (I think!)
I've clicked in a thumbs up


Alex

On Mon, 16 Mar 2020 at 14:50, TiddlyTweeter  wrote:

> Alex, a Github upvote could help move it on ...
>
> https://github.com/Jermolene/TiddlyWiki5/issues/4352
>
> TT, x
>
> On Monday, 16 March 2020 14:02:20 UTC+1, AlexHough wrote:
>>
>> and in light of the new developments in publishing and annotation ... it
>> feel like we are nearly there, at the place where TW is all we need
>>
>>
>> Alex
>>
>> On Monday, 16 March 2020 11:44:20 UTC, TiddlyTweeter wrote:
>>>
>>> I agree.
>>>
>>> Of proposed enhancements over time this is one of the nicest. It extends
>>> TW function in a way relevant to much common use. High relevance!
>>>
>>> Best wishes
>>> TT
>>>
>>> On Monday, 16 March 2020 07:53:40 UTC+1, Mohammad wrote:

 *Reminder:*

  PrintRiver plugin is a great plugin lets produce customized PDFs, hard
 copies, and even other final formats.
  *BTC* proposed to add this to core, if not I propose to publish it as
 an official plugin and to do this I needs some more polishing!

 This is to remind *BTC *and *Jeremy *and also *everybody *in favor of
 this to support the idea here or at GitHuB:
 https://github.com/Jermolene/TiddlyWiki5/issues/4352
 

 --Mohammad



 On Monday, October 28, 2019 at 5:09:38 PM UTC+3:30, Mohammad wrote:
>
> While TW encourages to do not print and remain green and EnviroFriend
> (don't waste papers!!)
> But there are situations where you have to print or create a single
> PDF from a tiddler or a river of tiddlers!
> It seems TW is not very user friendly in such a case!
>
> *Question:*
>  I have created a tiddler using a custom class (say notebook) and when
> I want to print, in the preview I see different margins, padding not easy
> to modify or difficult
> for TW user to write or modify a CSS.
>
> For example see the below tiddler
>
> http://tw5-print.tiddlyspot.com/#Homework%3A%20Simpson%20Integration
>
> I had to write a stylesheet for printing as below
> http://tw5-print.tiddlyspot.com/#stylesheet%2Fnotebook
>
> I would like to have your advise if my CSS is correct or there is
> something easier to control printing!
>
>
> *Footnote:*
> I have created a tiddlyspot page as a playground for printing in TW.
> So the whole story ca be fond at
> http://tw5-print.tiddlyspot.com/#
>
>
> References
> Mohammad  28th October
> 2019 at 5:08pm
> PluginsPrintriverhttp://printriver.tiddlyspot.com/
> DiscussionView and Print tiddlers with page handling - help requested
> https://groups.google.com/d/msg/tiddlywiki/SthCKBaE0c0/tr7PrKjXDwAJBasic
> question - how do you print a tiddler?
> https://groups.google.com/d/msg/tiddlywiki/SYGksSEeNTA/-75B6u1EAwAJ
>
>
> Mohammad
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Re: [tw5] Re: Announcement: TW5-powered ebooks

[Alex Hough]

JUST WOW!

Everything I love about TW on this thread. Innovation, cooperation,
comments from around the world

Thank you Xavier, Jeremy and JD!

Alex

On Sat, 14 Mar 2020 at 15:12, Thomas Elmiger 
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> Wow! Congrats to the whole team.
>
> At first sight, the search features impressed me most, other parts
> resemble ideas I had myself (e.g. 1 tiddler per paragraph). I will have to
> explore more.
>
>>
>> There are almost 60K books in German that you can test here:
>> https://www.7switch.com/de/list/drmfree/lang-ger/new/territory-FR/page/1/price
>> :-)
>>
>>
> By the way: If you delete "Einen" then the text would fit on the button
> shown below also in German. And it would not harm the meaning in any way.
> (In Switzerland we always assume French would take up most space.)
>
> [image: Bildschirmfoto 2020-03-14 um 16.01.03.png]
>
>
> Last and least: Languages symbolised by flags as on your website often
> don’t match. I read books in German, but I am Swiss so the German flag does
> not appeal to me in the way it might be intended. Possibly it is the same
> for English speaking Canadians or US citicens.
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Re: [tw5] tiddlymap fonts question

[Alex Hough]

Ah!  I see!


I think the formatting CSS is buried in the Viz.js plugin

I'm stumped!



Alex

On Fri, 31 Jan 2020 at 13:41, A Sklpns  wrote:

> Hello Alex, thank you. This seems to change the font family of the edge
> labels but not the nodes (which I am after)-unless of course I am missing
> something.
> Thanks again.
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Re: [tw5] tiddlymap fonts question

[Alex Hough]

use the edge type manager


[image: Screen Shot 2020-01-30 at 14.53.14.png]


Alex

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> how would I change the font family of tiddlymap nodes?
> Thank you
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Re: [tw5] Re: Blasts From The Past ...

[Alex Hough]

are you still working at Stockport college Steve?
(or have i got the wrong end of the stick?)

Alex

On Tue, 25 Jun 2019 at 14:51, Ste Wilson  wrote:

> I had no idea of that local sheepishness!
>
> (I'm not from Stockport.. I just worked there) :)
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Re: [tw5] Re: Blasts From The Past ...

[Alex Hough]

Hi All,

... and thanks for reminding me of this. This is a typical tiddling pattern
for me - an intense renewal of obsession then... then life catches up

@ Ste : I basically altered one of the documentations macros then used some
icons from the noun project

As a Stockport person you might be familiar with Teggs Nose. The sheep in
SheepyWiki is looking out over the Cheshire plain from there...
contemplating the Mersey Basin: Macclesfield, Joy Division, silk, cotton
out and way to the Dee and Stanlow

Maybe we should organise a Stockport TiddlyWiki Fan club meetup?

Alex

[1]

On Thu, 13 Jun 2019 at 07:52, @TiddlyTweeter 
wrote:

> A TW from a DesignWriteStudio student ...
>>
>> Tomb Of Horrors ... http://tombofhorrors.tiddlyspot.com/
>> 
>>
>>
> It emerged about a year ago.
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Re: [tw5] Re: Play several songs consecutively

[Alex Hough]

Hi Bimba,

this looks great! thanks for sharing!


Alex

On Mon, 13 May 2019 at 07:40, bimlas  wrote:

> I made a primitive media player plugin that allows you to create
> playlists: https://bimlas.gitlab.io/tw5-mediaplayer/
>
> I'm not completely satisfied with it, at least in terms of design. It
> looks like this right now:
>
> [image: vivaldi_2019-05-13_08-30-28.png]
>
>
> I'm wondering if the `tabs` macro might be better.
>
> [image: vivaldi_2019-05-13_08-36-15.png]
>
> The downside is that it would be useless in the sidebar (adding
> `$:/tags/SideBarSegment` tag), and in the case of long names, the left
> sidebar would be too wide, leaving less space for the content itself. What
> do you think?
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[tw5] Executive functioning, lists - for interests

[Alex Hough]

Dear All,

A friend pointed me towards this [1] post on executive functioning:

"This involves detailed calendars and diaries, lots of lists - one big
to-do list and lots of little to-do lists for each time segment, I have to
breakdown each task in written steps to get things done, I set reminders on
my phone, plan and organise things to the smallest detail, set myself
goals, do one thing at time to avoid getting distracted, and so on. I know
logically that I am neither lazy nor stupid, I just have brain that's not
wired to do executive functioning.


I wonder if TW could be useful to help with executive functioning

Alex

https://www.mairelliott.com/blog/executive-functioning

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Re: [tw5] Re: [Off Topic] Laser cut Motovun Jack

[Alex Hough]

Ged,

You designed and built a laser cutter ... tell us more!

I know that we have to keep a focus on TW here on the group, but I think we
can drift into curiosity about what people in the community are are up to.

Of course, no obligation to share i'm just nosy

Alex

On Fri, 5 Apr 2019 at 10:38, Mohammad  wrote:

> :-)
>
>
>
> On Friday, April 5, 2019 at 2:02:34 PM UTC+4:30, Jed Carty wrote:
>>
>> In my other work I designed and build a laser cutter. I needed something
>> to test focus so I used the Motovun Jack svg from tiddlywiki.
>>
>> I am sure that there will be more later.
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Re: [tw5] Re: Named story rivers (or trails)

[Alex Hough]

Would a trail be one of many lists?

When a tiddler is tagged, the order of the tiddler can be changed in the
list. Perhaps if there was more than one list field in which tiddlers could
registered?


Alex

On Tue, 5 Feb 2019 at 14:52, Jeremy Ruston  wrote:

> Hi Joe
>
> On 5 Feb 2019, at 13:44, Joe Armstrong  wrote:
>
> I think adding this to the reference site and making up many stories would
> be a good idea
>
>
> It’d be interesting to see some examples of trails that might be useful.
> Along with Tobibeer’s sidebar UI I’d want individual tiddlers to show which
> trails they are participating in, and let the user explore back and forth
> along those trails.
>
> In terms of implementation, I’m thinking that trails are actually some
> additional sugar on top of tags. Tags are already a flexible implementation
> of an ordered lists of tiddlers.
>
> So, displaying a story would correspond to clearing the story river and
> replacing it with the ordered list of tiddlers with that tag. Reordering a
> trail could be accomplished via the tag dropdown.
>
> We might want to add arrows for “previous” and “next” to the tag pills so
> that it is easy to navigate within a tag.
>
> Best wishes
>
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Re: [tw5] Re: Logistics 101 -- Do you use Telegram?

[Alex Hough]

i have telegram installed... and one friend who uses it


Alex

On Fri, 11 Jan 2019 at 13:42, @TiddlyTweeter 
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> For reasons no one understands my first posts to GG don't get to the email
> group.
>
> Here it is ...
>
> On Friday, 11 January 2019 14:34:15 UTC+1, @TiddlyTweeter wrote:
>>
>> I'm thinking that the pretty good #Twitter for #Tiddlywiki, @Tiddlywiki
>>  and @Jermolene
>>  could be matched by a Telegram
>>  channel.
>>
>> I'm interested if any Telegram users here feel the same?
>>
>> @TiddlyTweeter
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Re: [tw5] Re: slideshow (presentation) TW

[Alex Hough]

are there any which loop a set of Tiddlers?


Alex

On Thu, 10 Jan 2019 at 20:35, @TiddlyTweeter 
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> Joe
>
> Several are listed in David Gifford's TiddlyToolmap resource list for TW:
> https://dynalist.io/d/zUP-nIWu2FFoXH-oM7L7d9DM#z=daq3QPYxpdVcebRQi2N6gc8A
>
> Best
> Josiah
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> On Thursday, 10 January 2019 21:07:06 UTC+1, Joe Armstrong wrote:
>>
>> Has anybody pointers to a slideshow plugin?
>>
>> I found this
>>
>> https://tiddlywiki.com/talkytalky/
>>
>> Might be fun to give my next talk with the TW -
>>
>> Can we make a "keynote" or "powerpoint" lite ?
>>
>> /Joe
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Re: [tw5] Re: Tiddlywiki and Codepen, JSFiddle, .... or similar

[Alex Hough]

you could extract top 5 contributors, top 10...

I was thinking, this is a "search and extract" function

its like slicing only that it uses a search

digging into the links above brings us to automatic summarization, and
extraction based summarization [1]

*Ideas for extraction*


   1. Extract all TiddlySpot links (all posts which contain tiddlyspot.com)
   2. all posts linking to Github
   3. posts from Groups to Github issues / pull requests
   4. all post which have attachments
   5. for each macro
   6. widget, wikitext

How about this: extract search terms and from tiddlers in TW repo, search
and extract from archieve




Alex


[1]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Automatic_summarization#Extraction-based_summarization

On Wed, 19 Dec 2018 at 13:45, @TiddlyTweeter 
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> Its an interesting theme. Quite how you'd limit it to ALL but ONLY
> relevant posts is a pragmatic issue.
>
> Part of the issue is writing style in threaded posts may be harder to
> decipher than it may first appear.
>
> On the one hand presenting everything would be likely too much. One the
> other hand a lot of posts explicitly need thread position to make sense and
> you could have issues with non sequiturs when you try get rid of redundancy.
>
> Just thoughts
> Josiah
>
> On Wednesday, 19 December 2018 14:03:32 UTC+1, Mohammad wrote:
>>
>> Seems very promising!
>> I am thinking if it possible to retrieve and categorize the last 5 years
>> where most of TW5 development occurred.
>>
>
>
>> On Wednesday, December 19, 2018 at 4:13:59 PM UTC+3:30, AlexHough wrote:
>>>
>>> I don't know... but perhaps it a data mining problem..
>>>
>>
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Re: [tw5] Re: Tiddlywiki and Codepen, JSFiddle, .... or similar

[Alex Hough]

Mohammad,

I don't know... but perhaps it a data mining problem...

This question [1] seems the same as ours:

 I have a large corpus of documents from the same domain. There are parts
of text that hold the key information what single document talks about. I
want to extract some of those parts and use them as kind of a summary of
the text. Is there any useful documentation about how to achieve something
like this.


The answer given is

What you're describing is often achieved using a simple combination of
TF-IDF  and extractive
summarization

.

In a nutshell, TF-IDF tells you the relative importance of each word in
each document, in comparison to the rest of your corpus. At this point, you
have a score for each word in each document approximating its "importance."
Then you can use these individual word scores to compute a composite score
for each sentence by summing the scores of each word in each sentence.
Finally, simply take the top-N scoring sentences from each document as its
summary.

Earlier this year, I put together an iPython Notebook that culminates with
an implementation of this in Python using NLTK and Scikit-learn: A
Smattering of NLP in Python
.


I've not done this kind of thing before, but the idea came to me by
remembering a friend who used to run a company analysing huge data sets
concerning legal documents. (as it happens he was a chemist by training)

He said he used regular expressions and monte carlo techniques -- I haven't
a clue about these things myself.

If you search and extracted text from a mega file of all TW posts based on
code fragments, it would reduce the possibility of variation on spelling
and would return  questions and answers with code. Maybe it could return
threads.

You could then say something like:

IF thread contains posts by Eric or Jeremy increase its value

Anyway ... we could do data science on our archive ... then bring TW in for
individual managemenet and learning based on an archive which could
gradually become more structured.

A metaphorical turn: the tiddlers swim in the sea of data, the tide
constantly moves and sifts the data, washing it up on the shore. we can
collect it when the tide goes out...


Alex

https://datascience.stackexchange.com/questions/2646/extract-most-informative-parts-of-text-from-documents?rq=1

On Wed, 19 Dec 2018 at 11:57, Mohammad  wrote:

> Alex,
>  This is amazing! So, it is possible to get all messages, categorized them
> and put in tiddlers!
>
> Lets see what other people here say!
>
>
> -Mohammad
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[tw5] TiddlySkunkWorks?

[Alex Hough]

Hello there,

Do we need a TiddlySkunkWorks [1]


Alex

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Skunkworks_project

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Re: [tw5] Re: Tiddlywiki and Codepen, JSFiddle, .... or similar

[Alex Hough]

Hello All,

Get Google Groups Data – Tool to fetch all messages of a Google Group as
raw mbox data [1], then extract data based on searches based on contents of
tiddlers on TW.com

map each tiddler onto the mega-archieve -- give options to refactor,
submit, demo on a TW

If we use the Jeremy technique of thinking "what's at the next level of
abstraction" (excuse me for putting words in your mouth here Jeremy!) we
could start with TiddlyWiki being a tool for personal "garbage collector"
(as Joe puts it) for use on the web, to a knowledge creation tool in a
specific domain.

In some ways we are lucky that we have two consistent Google Group. Is this
a matter of getting funding for some kind of research project, and having
some funded working on it?

TW seems to be a rich community, an interesting group for researchers.
Perhaps we could collectively come up with some questions we could approach
research organisations with...

Alex

[1] https://github.com/henryk/gggd

On Wed, 19 Dec 2018 at 11:24, Alex Hough  wrote:

> the design problem surely needs to be around using TW to refine a
> knowledge base...
>
> Taking the metaphor of tiddlers and fish -- to help think about this --
> there are some "big fish" (people who have developed languages or
> frameworks, have spoken at conferences (Joe and Jeremy) ...
>
> One the TW Dev group the interactions between Joe and Mario, Josiah, Ged,
> Tony, Simon, Jeremy seem to offer a rich resource for the type of small
> fish (like myself) who is happy to pick up scraps. We have good questions
> and good answers: for a TW fan it makes for good viewing.
>
> The TW community has grown organically. There is no formal organisation
> like the "International TiddlyWiki User Research Foundation", but if there
> were some -- even lightweight - commitment to something like that then some
> of the technology issues might dissolve.
>
> The solution may lie in the people space not the technology space.
>
> best wishes
>
> Alex
>
> On Wed, 19 Dec 2018 at 11:09, Jed Carty  wrote:
>
>> Must haves would include:
>>
>> Searchable by title (not just by text content)
>> Accessibility (the site is very hard for me to use, the clutter of having
>> the three columns is a problem, the conversation structure is a problem for
>> me reading it, not being able to change the styling on the page makes it
>> hard for me to read)
>> Publicly viewable posts
>> A concise and easily viewable list of recent posts, preferably with an
>> indicator of if I have seen each post or not
>>
>> As far as creating apps go, while I am very willing to donate time to
>> make things that help the community, I am not comfortable making tools that
>> are exclusively useful on a closed platform like Yammer. If there were
>> something like githubs web hooks i would consider it, but I don't want to
>> do free work for Microsoft.
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Re: [tw5] Re: Tiddlywiki and Codepen, JSFiddle, .... or similar

[Alex Hough]

the design problem surely needs to be around using TW to refine a knowledge
base...

Taking the metaphor of tiddlers and fish -- to help think about this --
there are some "big fish" (people who have developed languages or
frameworks, have spoken at conferences (Joe and Jeremy) ...

One the TW Dev group the interactions between Joe and Mario, Josiah, Ged,
Tony, Simon, Jeremy seem to offer a rich resource for the type of small
fish (like myself) who is happy to pick up scraps. We have good questions
and good answers: for a TW fan it makes for good viewing.

The TW community has grown organically. There is no formal organisation
like the "International TiddlyWiki User Research Foundation", but if there
were some -- even lightweight - commitment to something like that then some
of the technology issues might dissolve.

The solution may lie in the people space not the technology space.

best wishes

Alex

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> Must haves would include:
>
> Searchable by title (not just by text content)
> Accessibility (the site is very hard for me to use, the clutter of having
> the three columns is a problem, the conversation structure is a problem for
> me reading it, not being able to change the styling on the page makes it
> hard for me to read)
> Publicly viewable posts
> A concise and easily viewable list of recent posts, preferably with an
> indicator of if I have seen each post or not
>
> As far as creating apps go, while I am very willing to donate time to make
> things that help the community, I am not comfortable making tools that are
> exclusively useful on a closed platform like Yammer. If there were
> something like githubs web hooks i would consider it, but I don't want to
> do free work for Microsoft.
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Re: [tw5] Re: Tiddlywiki and Codepen, JSFiddle, .... or similar

[Alex Hough]

I'm one of those users who gets GG via email.

I search the group on my email.

Instead of tagging, perhaps we should be looking at a way of indexing. TW
is a great indexer.

I sometimes search using a particular members email address as filter,
making the assumption that there will be TiddlyGold in their reply.

In the world of systems this issue occurs with IT. One solution is to
increase order at source (that would mean that community members add meta
data to a shared schema) the other is to increase order by categorising on
the other side of the "variety balance"

Clearly there are value judgements to be made in the latter option. I tend
to browse based on a handful of well known great question askers and great
answerers -- we all know who they are

In summary, I think we should keep using GG and think of ways of re-using
the content that's already there and making smart assumptions...

best wishes

Alex

On Wed, 19 Dec 2018 at 10:52, TonyM  wrote:

> Mark,
>
> I will look into it soon, but idealy I would like to see other must haves
> identified along with a little more exploration of yammers advantages.
>
> Perhaps some of the addin apps need to be considered, or even created for
> example github connectivity.
>
> But I will do as you suggest.
>
> Tony
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Re: [tw5] Re: filtering tiddlers created after a certain date?

[Alex Hough]

Ah-Ah!


It would have never occurred to me to use prefix!

The mental block is because I see them as numbers not strings

Thanks Tony!

Alex

On Wed, 19 Dec 2018 at 00:19, TonyM  wrote:

> Alex,
>
> If you want to make a before or after comparison, remember that date
> fields contain a serial number, that is the most significant values proceed
> the less significant.
>
> The standard date field uses the following format
> https://tiddlywiki.com/#Date%20Fields
>
> Values of date fields are 17-character strings:
>
>- 4 digits for the year
>- 2 digits for the month
>- 2 digits for the day
>- 2 digits for the hour
>- 2 digits for the minute
>- 2 digits for the second
>- 3 digits for the millisecond
>
>
> See https://tiddlywiki.com/#DateFormat for the details
>
>
>- There is a potential for invalid values in a date field like minutes
>between 59-99 so its when a date is set/reset we ensure it remains valid,
>- However we can always compare any date time field of the same length
>and determine which is the larger or smaller or equal to.
>- Making such comparisons does not need any date handling, just a
>numerical comparison.
>- You can also sort by date field and get them in the order they appear
>- Although you may use the view widget date format to extract
>0MM0DD from a full date for comparison purposes.
>- Reveal allows the use of grater-than, less than and equal to
>- The days operator allows N days relative to a specified day/date
>
> So in your original Question you want to find items where the created date
> is older than date1 but not older than date2
>
> I often cheat and ask for all dates in a given month eg 0MM is the
> same or equal to. In this case the prefix is helpful eg all created dates
> with a Prefix of the same 0MM where created this month.
>
> I hope this helps
>
> Regards
> Tony
>
> On Wednesday, December 19, 2018 at 9:05:57 AM UTC+11, AlexHough wrote:
>>
>> a use case sprung to mind...
>>
>> i want to fetch all the tiddler created between two events
>>
>> something like this
>>
>> [created[date1-date2]
>>
>>
>> Alex
>>
>> On Wed, 12 Dec 2018 at 22:18, 'Mark S.' via TiddlyWiki <
>> tiddl...@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>>
>>> In the original I immediately removed that line. So I guess you're
>>> viewing the forum via email.
>>>
>>> Thanks!
>>> -- Mark
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, December 12, 2018 at 1:07:56 PM UTC-8, AlexHough wrote:

 Thanks Mark,

 What is the purpose of this line?

 <$view tiddler="Code to split out filename" field=modified />

 Alex

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 tiddl...@googlegroups.com> wrote:

> The filter operators toolkit is under-powered lacking comparison,
> splitting, and most date functions. I don't think you can use a simple
> filter.
>
> You could use a list, and then inside the list use the reveal widget
> which does have comparison tools. Then select out and reveal tiddlers with
> dates less than a specified date (presented in TW date format).
>
> This code shows the non-system, non-system label items modified on
> TiddlyWiki.com since mid September, 2018:
>
> <$view tiddler="Code to split out filename" field=modified />
>
> <$list
> filter="[all[tiddlers]!is[system]!tag[SystemTags]!sort[modified]]">
> <$reveal type="lt"  default="20180911214913228" text={{!!modified}}>
> <$view field="title"/> 
> 
> 
>
>
> -- Mark
>
> On Wednesday, December 12, 2018 at 5:52:41 AM UTC-8, AlexHough wrote:
>>
>> thanks Bimba,
>>
>> I am trying to replicate the function on my computer where I can find
>> a file created on, after or before a particular date.
>>
>> The filter I would like to create would be like a saved search.
>>
>> The viz.js timeline has the functionality, but I'd prefer a cut down
>> version.
>>
>>
>> Alex
>>
>> [1] http://kixam.github.io/TW5-visjsTimeline/
>>
>> On Wed, 12 Dec 2018 at 13:35, bimlas  wrote:
>>
>>> Well, to be frank, you have to transform the date to days: for
>>> example today is 2018.12.12, if you want to list tiddlers after 
>>> 2018.12.01,
>>> you can use `days[-12]`.
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Re: [tw5] Re: filtering tiddlers created after a certain date?

[Alex Hough]

a use case sprung to mind...

i want to fetch all the tiddler created between two events

something like this

[created[date1-date2]


Alex

On Wed, 12 Dec 2018 at 22:18, 'Mark S.' via TiddlyWiki <
tiddlywiki@googlegroups.com> wrote:

> In the original I immediately removed that line. So I guess you're viewing
> the forum via email.
>
> Thanks!
> -- Mark
>
> On Wednesday, December 12, 2018 at 1:07:56 PM UTC-8, AlexHough wrote:
>>
>> Thanks Mark,
>>
>> What is the purpose of this line?
>>
>> <$view tiddler="Code to split out filename" field=modified />
>>
>> Alex
>>
>> On Wed, 12 Dec 2018 at 15:13, 'Mark S.' via TiddlyWiki <
>> tiddl...@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>>
>>> The filter operators toolkit is under-powered lacking comparison,
>>> splitting, and most date functions. I don't think you can use a simple
>>> filter.
>>>
>>> You could use a list, and then inside the list use the reveal widget
>>> which does have comparison tools. Then select out and reveal tiddlers with
>>> dates less than a specified date (presented in TW date format).
>>>
>>> This code shows the non-system, non-system label items modified on
>>> TiddlyWiki.com since mid September, 2018:
>>>
>>> <$view tiddler="Code to split out filename" field=modified />
>>>
>>> <$list
>>> filter="[all[tiddlers]!is[system]!tag[SystemTags]!sort[modified]]">
>>> <$reveal type="lt"  default="20180911214913228" text={{!!modified}}>
>>> <$view field="title"/> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>>
>>>
>>> -- Mark
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, December 12, 2018 at 5:52:41 AM UTC-8, AlexHough wrote:

 thanks Bimba,

 I am trying to replicate the function on my computer where I can find a
 file created on, after or before a particular date.

 The filter I would like to create would be like a saved search.

 The viz.js timeline has the functionality, but I'd prefer a cut down
 version.


 Alex

 [1] http://kixam.github.io/TW5-visjsTimeline/

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> Well, to be frank, you have to transform the date to days: for example
> today is 2018.12.12, if you want to list tiddlers after 2018.12.01, you 
> can
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Re: [tw5] Re: Tagging --- Organise From Serendipity

[Alex Hough]

tagging the tag is an option to classify a particular tag... thinking out
loud...

Alex

On Sat, 15 Dec 2018 at 13:55, S. S.  wrote:

>
> While reading various TW Google Group exchanges (some are included below
> that I had noted down), I put down some thoughts the last few days.
>
> For what purposes am I using tags used for?
>
>
>1. tags prefixed $:/ for the TW system
>2. tags for creating "parent-child" relationships - i.e. ordering a
>Table of Contents
>3. tags for keeping track of excised data for transclusion back into
>the original
>4. tags for changing style (custom css, display, colour, adding text,
>triggering a veiw template, etc)
>5. tags for creating groups
>6. tags for categories
>7. tags for keywords
>8. other uses ???
>
>
> What if I start different uses of tags with different prefixes?
> I already prefix system tags because this is how TW is designed with:
> *$:/some/system/tag*
> Table of Content tags are the Title of the parent tiddler - usually no
> prefix
>
> So RANDOMLY - without putting much thought into what symbol to prefix the
> tags ...
>
> Keywords? How about starting those with : *#my-keyword*
> Category? How about : *@my-category*
> Topic? How about: *!topic*
> Keeping track of excised data?: *^Parent-Tiddler-Name*
> Groups? perhaps: *%my-group*
> Styling tags? How about: **my-style*
>
> I just started thinking about this recently, so my insights are still in
> infancy.
>
>
> [Slightly OT] Jeremy speaking at CodeMesh, London 8/9th November 2018
>   -
> the whole fascinating discussion - and of course the video it refers to: Joe
> Armstrong & Jeremy Ruston - Intertwingling the Tiddlywiki with Erlang |
> Code Mesh LDN 18
> 
>
> In this fascinating discussion we had:
>
> TiddlyTweeter
>  :
> TW is interesting because its tags serve several functions (semantic,
> organizational, systemic) seamlessly.
>
> But, at the same time, any TW tag is a "label applied" to a tiddler -- a
> distance between the tiddler and its manifest content.
>
> FYI I'm a big fan of Twiitter where #hashtags are always inline. No
> separation of content from organization. Its a neat approach on content
> cognisance. Twitter is maybe extreme in its #hashtaggery but its effective
> in terms of finding stuff well enough. But, of course, Twitter usage of
> #hashtags is purely about flagging content, whilst in TW tags do several
> jobs.
>
> Joe Armstrong
>  -
> YES :-)  -- Given my earlier observations, perhapse we could distinguish
> two types of tags. The #inlineHashTags could have something to do with the
> content of the containing paragraph. The tiddler tags could mean "tags used
> to internally organise the TW itself"
>
> TonyM
>   -
> The simple act of ignoring tags prefixed $:/ is enough to keep system tags
> out of your models.
>
> PMario
>  -
> Both of those systems [Table of Contents & list-links] (mis)use tags to
> create internal structure, because the tagging mechanism was and is highly
> optimized. Both in the core-software and the UI. The core uses several
> caches to speed up tag and "backlink" lookups. ... We do have fields and
> filters, that are able to create invisible internal structure. But none of
> those possibilities offer the performance and "ease of use" from the UI
> perspective.
>
> --
>
> TonyM - Searching Tiddlers with transcluded content
> 
>
> Especially when it comes to intrinsically related data, I tend to start
> with a body of text and excise it, into our partial-tiddler(s) not only
> will the excise replace it but It also tags the new tiddler with the title
> of where is was excised from.
>
> Thus if I was to search for something and it is found in a particular
> tiddler, then what that tiddler is tagged with is likely where I will find
> it transcluded as well.
>
> --
>
> Jed's Generic Tag Fields
> 
>
> --
> Mark S. How to tag separate paragraphs in different tiddlers and then
> transclude them?
> 
>
>  I don't think most people want to wrangle 20+ little tiddlers just so
> they can access one section inside an article. The old TWC had sections,
> and I think a lot of us were flabbergasted that the "improved" TW5 didn't.
> The old system works the way people actually think.
>
> It might be different if there were better tools for 

Re: [tw5] Re: [Slightly OT] Jeremy speaking at CodeMesh, London 8/9th November 2018

[Alex Hough]

 further thoughts from Wordnet


the tag needs to classify the contents of the tiddler. So for example
Concepts [1] classifies many tiddlers as belonging to the class "Concept"


Wordnet has hierarchies of meaning based on synsets.

suggestions for choosing words higher and lower in hierarchy would be
useful for me. I am forever going to Wordnet and choosing the right word.
Integration would be good



Alex

[1] https://tiddlywiki.com/prerelease/#Concepts

On Fri, 14 Dec 2018 at 23:53, 'Marcel Otto' via TiddlyWiki <
tiddlywiki@googlegroups.com> wrote:

> Am Dienstag, 11. Dezember 2018 19:03:30 UTC+1 schrieb Joe Armstrong:
>>
>> Thinking out loud here ...
>>
>> I've been thinking more about tags. One problem is that tags are rather
>> vague and are written in different human languages.
>>
>> One way out of this might be to adopt the wikidata word definitions. For
>> example, I am, unambiguously
>>
>> https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q1691321
>> 
>>
>> There are actually several Joe Armstrong's (for example,
>> https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q712592)
>>
>> These Q numbers uniquely define subjects and objects. Verbs (or
>> predicates) are given by P numbers
>> so https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Property:P178 means "the organisation
>> or person who developed the item.
>>
>>
> I really like this idea. The natural-language tags of a TiddlyWiki could
> be linked to global URIs (like the ones from Wikidata) by adding a context
> to a TiddlyWiki in the same way JSON-LD adds a @context to JSON documents
> to give globally understandable meaning to application-specific property
> identifiers: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/JSON-LD
>
>
>> in RDF speak the triple
>>
>> {https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q1144644,
>>   https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Property:P178,
>>   https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q17031730}
>>
>> (BTW I recommend clicking on these links and playing around - there's
>> lots of interesting
>> data in RDF tuples and the above links are a good place to start looking)
>>
>> Means "TiddlyWiki developer Jeremy Rushton"
>>
>> These triples encode facts in a hopefully reasonably clear manner.
>>
>> So now the N$ question - can we automatically analyse a tiddler and turn
>> it into a set
>> of RDF tuples. If we could then we could add these to the huge databases
>> of RDF tuples
>> and possible find stuff in a clever way.
>>
>>
> That would be a very ambitious endeavor as it would require solutions to
> two very hard problems:
>
> 1. The long-standing research problem of entity recognition and linkage:
> https://www.stardog.com/blog/entity-linking-in-the-knowledge-graph/
> 2. Connecting the recognized entities semantically properly. For example,
> how would you detect from the sentence "Jeremy Ruston started the
> TiddlyWiki project in 2004." to use the
> https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Property:P178 property?
>
> Regarding the first problem, which would already solve your initial tag
> ambiguity problem, research has led to quite some progress. This library,
> for example, offers a solution in JavaScript:
> https://github.com/spencermountain/compromise
>
> The filter notation in the tiddlywiki reminds me very much of prolog, and
>> I guess with a but of
>> work SPARQL queries might be possible (SPARQL is an RDF query language)
>>
>
> Even without a solution to the mentioned second problem (allowing to
> generate proper RDF triples like the one you mentioned), we could already
> do interesting SPARQL queries with recognized Wikidata entities for content
> tags. We could for example query for all tiddlers tagged with a computer
> scientist and would get the tiddlers tagged with "Jeremy Ruston". A SPARQL
> engine for in-memory data in JavaScript can be found here:
> https://github.com/antoniogarrote/rdfstore-js (I can't resist to also
> mention that a SPARQL engine also exists for the BEAM:
> https://github.com/marcelotto/sparql-ex ;-))
>
> Cheers
>>
>> /Joe
>>
>>
> Cheers,
>
> Marcel
>
>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Monday, 10 December 2018 17:43:01 UTC+1, @TiddlyTweeter wrote:
>>>
>>> One of the things that interests me a lot that the talk raised a
>>> bit--and which no one seems to know how to answer is ... :-)
>>>
>>> - WHAT exactly is an SU (Semantic Unit) in TW writing (or computing
>>> writing In General, for that matter)?
>>>
>>> There is a kind of rule of thumb "its maybe a paragraph"? But, of course
>>> that won't quite work for the one-sentence brevity of a Nietzsche.
>>>
>>> Its obviously highly context dependent. And I doubt much of that context
>>> lives on the computer itself.
>>>
>>> The idea in TW towards writing "the shortest semantic whole possible"
>>> (the word "fragment" here that is thrown around has muddied waters; they
>>> are not fragments so much as whole-parts-of-wholes) allows for later
>>> re-combinations to form more complex semantics.
>>>
>>> However, I think its bit of 

Re: [tw5] Re: [Slightly OT] Jeremy speaking at CodeMesh, London 8/9th November 2018

[Alex Hough]

https://babelnet.org/ == many languages


On Fri, 14 Dec 2018 at 13:21, @TiddlyTweeter 
wrote:

> Alex
>
> Is it in many languages?
>
> J, x
>
> On Friday, 14 December 2018 13:39:23 UTC+1, AlexHough wrote:
>>
>> Mario,
>>
>> " a mechanism, that would suggest "meaningful tags" by analysing the
>> prose text(s). ... but it needs to work without a 3rd party server. It
>> should be integrated into TW. ... Is this possible?"
>>
>> Wordnet [1] might be useful.
>>
>> WordNet® is a large lexical database of English. Nouns, verbs, adjectives
>> and adverbs are grouped into sets of cognitive synonyms (synsets), each
>> expressing a distinct concept. Synsets are interlinked by means of
>> conceptual-semantic and lexical relations. The resulting network of
>> meaningfully related words and concepts can be navigated with the browser
>> . WordNet is also freely and
>> publicly available for download .
>> WordNet's structure makes it a useful tool for computational linguistics
>> and natural language processing.
>>
>>
>> I use it a lot to find words at higher or lower levels of abstraction. It
>> would be wonderful if, when tagging, words from Wordnet were suggested...
>>
>> Alex
>>
>> [1] https://wordnet.princeton.edu/
>>
>> On Thu, 13 Dec 2018 at 11:58, PMario  wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, December 12, 2018 at 5:54:41 PM UTC+1, Joe Armstrong wrote:
>>> ...
>>>
 What I did was to use Baysian inference to "learn" the relationship
 between the words in the text and the supplied tags - so for each word in
 the text I caculate the probability that the tiddler has tag  (forall
 known tags ) - then in a second pass I tested the model and predicted
 the tags from the text. This way I could correctly predict about 80% of the
 tags from the text alone. The problem was that, to me, many of the tags
 were meaningless and were used internally to organise the TW.

>>>
>>> That's interesting. ... But I think this has some "evolutionary" causes.
>>>
>>> I think, it hasn't always been that way. Open classic.tiddlywiki.com
>>> ... You'll see wikipedia-like tag-box in every tiddler. ... The UI isn't
>>> "nice" with tags here. .. So a very common question in the group was: "How
>>> can I switch this box off?"
>>>
>>> I personally prefer something that's called "TagglyTagging" (... oh we
>>> love those weird names :) I think TagglyTagging was introduced with MPTW
>>>  (Monkey Pirate TiddlyWiki).
>>> For me it was a completely new way to work with tiddler titles. ... TT is a
>>> set of plugins, that allows you to visualize the relation between different
>>> tiddlers ... It speeds up navigation between related tiddlers, in a very
>>> convenient way. ... The "sitemap" view is what we call TOC (Table of
>>> Content) in TW5 now.
>>>
>>> An other plugin, that imo influenced TW5 was: the fET-plugin (for each
>>> tiddler) .
>>> It allows *users *to iterate over the tiddler store and *create *many
>>> types of "*list-views*". This plugin was highly influential for the TW5
>>> list-widget, and <> macros that we have today.
>>>
>>> Both of those systems (mis)use tags to create internal structure,
>>> because the tagging mechanism *was and is* highly optimized. Both in
>>> the core-software and the UI. The core uses several caches to speed up tag
>>> and "backlink" lookups. ... We do have fields and filters, that are able to
>>> create invisible internal structure. But none of those possibilities offer
>>> the performance and "ease of use" from the UI perspective.
>>>
>>> In my opinion the TF*IDF were better than the assigned tags since they
 had nothing
 to do with the organisation, but more to do with the actual words in
 the text.

>>>
>>> For me it would be very interesting to have a mechanism, that would
>>> suggest "meaningful tags" by analysing the prose text(s). ... but it needs
>>> to work without a 3rd party server. It should be integrated into TW. ... Is
>>> this possible?
>>>
>>> have  fun!
>>> mario
>>>
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Re: [tw5] Re: [Slightly OT] Jeremy speaking at CodeMesh, London 8/9th November 2018

[Alex Hough]

Mario,

" a mechanism, that would suggest "meaningful tags" by analysing the prose
text(s). ... but it needs to work without a 3rd party server. It should be
integrated into TW. ... Is this possible?"

Wordnet [1] might be useful.

WordNet® is a large lexical database of English. Nouns, verbs, adjectives
and adverbs are grouped into sets of cognitive synonyms (synsets), each
expressing a distinct concept. Synsets are interlinked by means of
conceptual-semantic and lexical relations. The resulting network of
meaningfully related words and concepts can be navigated with the browser
. WordNet is also freely and
publicly available for download .
WordNet's structure makes it a useful tool for computational linguistics
and natural language processing.


I use it a lot to find words at higher or lower levels of abstraction. It
would be wonderful if, when tagging, words from Wordnet were suggested...

Alex

[1] https://wordnet.princeton.edu/

On Thu, 13 Dec 2018 at 11:58, PMario  wrote:

>
> On Wednesday, December 12, 2018 at 5:54:41 PM UTC+1, Joe Armstrong wrote:
> ...
>
>> What I did was to use Baysian inference to "learn" the relationship
>> between the words in the text and the supplied tags - so for each word in
>> the text I caculate the probability that the tiddler has tag  (forall
>> known tags ) - then in a second pass I tested the model and predicted
>> the tags from the text. This way I could correctly predict about 80% of the
>> tags from the text alone. The problem was that, to me, many of the tags
>> were meaningless and were used internally to organise the TW.
>>
>
> That's interesting. ... But I think this has some "evolutionary" causes.
>
> I think, it hasn't always been that way. Open classic.tiddlywiki.com ...
> You'll see wikipedia-like tag-box in every tiddler. ... The UI isn't "nice"
> with tags here. .. So a very common question in the group was: "How can I
> switch this box off?"
>
> I personally prefer something that's called "TagglyTagging" (... oh we
> love those weird names :) I think TagglyTagging was introduced with MPTW
>  (Monkey Pirate TiddlyWiki).
> For me it was a completely new way to work with tiddler titles. ... TT is a
> set of plugins, that allows you to visualize the relation between different
> tiddlers ... It speeds up navigation between related tiddlers, in a very
> convenient way. ... The "sitemap" view is what we call TOC (Table of
> Content) in TW5 now.
>
> An other plugin, that imo influenced TW5 was: the fET-plugin (for each
> tiddler) . It
> allows *users *to iterate over the tiddler store and *create *many types
> of "*list-views*". This plugin was highly influential for the TW5
> list-widget, and <> macros that we have today.
>
> Both of those systems (mis)use tags to create internal structure, because
> the tagging mechanism *was and is* highly optimized. Both in the
> core-software and the UI. The core uses several caches to speed up tag and
> "backlink" lookups. ... We do have fields and filters, that are able to
> create invisible internal structure. But none of those possibilities offer
> the performance and "ease of use" from the UI perspective.
>
> In my opinion the TF*IDF were better than the assigned tags since they had
>> nothing
>> to do with the organisation, but more to do with the actual words in the
>> text.
>>
>
> For me it would be very interesting to have a mechanism, that would
> suggest "meaningful tags" by analysing the prose text(s). ... but it needs
> to work without a 3rd party server. It should be integrated into TW. ... Is
> this possible?
>
> have  fun!
> mario
>
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[tw5] Sonix.ai experiment

[Alex Hough]

Dear All,

Sonix.ai have kindly donated an hour of transcription time. My approach
here is to use Sonix in an art project, an installation along with Sonic Pi
... practice as research they call it...

I'd like to be able to embed their media player. You can see an example on
the link [1] below. However I am not sure where to put the javascript.
Below is a screenshot

[image: Screen Shot 2018-12-12 at 22.26.08.png]

*Research Tool?*

I think it could be good for working with transcribing audio where tagging
fragments of text are coded and tagged...



best wishes

Alex

[1] https://sonix.ai/how-to-capture-great-audio

Note: the javascript seems to just be for formating i can't see how it
produces a media player



  (function(s,o,n,i,x) {
if(s[n])return;s[n]=true;
var
j=o.createElement('script');j.type='text/javascript',j.async=true,j.src=i,o.head.appendChild(j);
var
css=o.createElement("link");css.type="text/css",css.rel="stylesheet",css.href=x,o.head.appendChild(css)
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Re: [tw5] Re: Merging some of Tobias filter operators into the core

[Alex Hough]

filters which can do conditionals with dates would be good.

created before
created on
created after ... like on a mac:

[image: Screen Shot 2018-12-12 at 21.51.32.png]

Alex

On Wed, 12 Dec 2018 at 18:50, 'Mark S.' via TiddlyWiki <
tiddlywiki@googlegroups.com> wrote:

> Note that "contains" is now in the core.
>
> Have fun!
> -- Mark
>
>
>
> On Wednesday, December 12, 2018 at 10:10:37 AM UTC-8, Diego Mesa wrote:
>>
>> Hey all,
>>
>> In a previous
>> post
>> ,
>> Mark S. says "The filter operators toolkit is under-powered lacking
>> comparison, splitting, and most date functions". I agree, and issues around
>> this have come up several times before. Several people have tried to
>> address related issues in the past.
>>
>> I am a huge fan of all of Tobias' plugins
>> , and think that these three
>> filter operators should be merged into the core:
>>
>>- contains 
>>- join 
>>- split 
>>
>> What do you all think?
>>
>> Diego
>>
>> P.S. I'm also a big fan of preview
>> , but am pretty sure no
>> one else thinks it should be in the core (purists!)
>>
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Re: [tw5] Re: filtering tiddlers created after a certain date?

[Alex Hough]

Thanks Mark,

What is the purpose of this line?

<$view tiddler="Code to split out filename" field=modified />

Alex

On Wed, 12 Dec 2018 at 15:13, 'Mark S.' via TiddlyWiki <
tiddlywiki@googlegroups.com> wrote:

> The filter operators toolkit is under-powered lacking comparison,
> splitting, and most date functions. I don't think you can use a simple
> filter.
>
> You could use a list, and then inside the list use the reveal widget which
> does have comparison tools. Then select out and reveal tiddlers with dates
> less than a specified date (presented in TW date format).
>
> This code shows the non-system, non-system label items modified on
> TiddlyWiki.com since mid September, 2018:
>
> <$view tiddler="Code to split out filename" field=modified />
>
> <$list filter="[all[tiddlers]!is[system]!tag[SystemTags]!sort[modified]]">
> <$reveal type="lt"  default="20180911214913228" text={{!!modified}}>
> <$view field="title"/> 
> 
> 
>
>
> -- Mark
>
> On Wednesday, December 12, 2018 at 5:52:41 AM UTC-8, AlexHough wrote:
>>
>> thanks Bimba,
>>
>> I am trying to replicate the function on my computer where I can find a
>> file created on, after or before a particular date.
>>
>> The filter I would like to create would be like a saved search.
>>
>> The viz.js timeline has the functionality, but I'd prefer a cut down
>> version.
>>
>>
>> Alex
>>
>> [1] http://kixam.github.io/TW5-visjsTimeline/
>>
>> On Wed, 12 Dec 2018 at 13:35, bimlas  wrote:
>>
>>> Well, to be frank, you have to transform the date to days: for example
>>> today is 2018.12.12, if you want to list tiddlers after 2018.12.01, you can
>>> use `days[-12]`.
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Re: [tw5] Re: filtering tiddlers created after a certain date?

[Alex Hough]

thanks Bimba,

I am trying to replicate the function on my computer where I can find a
file created on, after or before a particular date.

The filter I would like to create would be like a saved search.

The viz.js timeline has the functionality, but I'd prefer a cut down
version.


Alex

[1] http://kixam.github.io/TW5-visjsTimeline/

On Wed, 12 Dec 2018 at 13:35, bimlas  wrote:

> Well, to be frank, you have to transform the date to days: for example
> today is 2018.12.12, if you want to list tiddlers after 2018.12.01, you can
> use `days[-12]`.
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[tw5] filtering tiddlers created after a certain date?

[Alex Hough]

Dear All,

is there a way of filtering tiddlers created after a certain date?


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Re: [tw5] Re: [TW5] Bob and BobEXE version 1.1.1 Pretzel Nubs

[Alex Hough]

Jed,

perhaps we could try it out. I could be a tester. the TW could be concerned
with the installation I mentioned elsewhere...

Alex

On Tue, 11 Dec 2018 at 09:26, Jed Carty  wrote:

> For anyone using the plugin version, I added some quick instructions on
> how to update tiddlywiki to the newest version. Let me know if there are
> any problems with them.
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Re: [tw5] TiddlyWiki at the local Community College

[Alex Hough]

Jeremy wrote:

One crazy possibility I’ve considered is to package a course as “personal
effectiveness” or “personal organisation" and show people how to be more
organised using the principles we’ve learned with TW. You’d still be
teaching how to use TiddlyWiki, but within a broader agenda rooted on the
idea that many people feel they would be more effective and successful if
only they were a little better organised…


I think a side project were us TWikers reflect on learning in this context
is a good idea...

Alex

On Thu, 6 Dec 2018 at 08:29, Jeremy Ruston  wrote:

> Hi Tony
>
> Doing the course is a great idea. Your bullet points are good.
>
> One crazy possibility I’ve considered is to package a course as “personal
> effectiveness” or “personal organisation" and show people how to be more
> organised using the principles we’ve learned with TW. You’d still be
> teaching how to use TiddlyWiki, but within a broader agenda rooted on the
> idea that many people feel they would be more effective and successful if
> only they were a little better organised…
>
> Best wishes
>
> Jeremy.
>
> On 6 Dec 2018, at 06:56, TonyM  wrote:
>
> Folks,
>
> I am hoping to offer some tiddlywiki lessons with our local community
> college, on the subject of our beloved TiddlyWiki.
>
> I hope to build a local group of enthusiasts. It seems however the college
> needs persuading it is a marketable course.
>
> I have given this some thought but wonder what you would think would be a
> good way to market it to those as yet uninitiated in the "TiddlyWiki
> platform"
>
> here is an example I have
>
>
>- Ever dreamed of writing an App?
>- Do you want to be in control of your own computer?
>- Ever wanted to build a database of information for a hobby?
>- Software is a key to the modern world, but being able to write your
>own software makes you the locksmith.
>
>- In the beginning there was the "General Purpose Computer", on which
>others wrote programs.
>- In time there came the "Universal Client", for which others built
>websites
>- Then came Internet 2.0 which others allowed you to add content
>- Then came tiddlywiki, and all that went before it became yours.
>
> I would appreciate your ideas.
>
> Tony
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Re: [tw5] Re: [Slightly OT] Jeremy speaking at CodeMesh, London 8/9th November 2018

[Alex Hough]

Hi All,

I've sent an email to Sonix [1] requestion time to transcribe the talk.

I also get free minutes if other people sign up using the link [2]

My grand idea that the audio could be cut up into semantic units and put
into TW

I did a test [3] with a YouTube of Mark Fisher [4]

I wondered if the Sonix audio editor could be embedded in a Tiddler...

Once the text is in the editor you can use it a bit like a sampler. I[5].
Use the browser's built in search to navigate to word and phrases -- and
hey -- why not feed it into SonicPi for your sonic art project?


Alex

[1] https://sonix.ai/
[2] https://sonix.ai/invite/kmnagvw
[3] https://sonix.ai/r/xpe6rwtXX8sm1pbMUP4okUe1
[4] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AhOcwhwumP4
[5] https://soundcloud.com/startdivergence/r26-0003-1wav

On Tue, 11 Dec 2018 at 18:03, Joe Armstrong  wrote:

> Thinking out loud here ...
>
> I've been thinking more about tags. One problem is that tags are rather
> vague and are written in different human languages.
>
> One way out of this might be to adopt the wikidata word definitions. For
> example, I am, unambiguously
>
> https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q1691321
>
> There are actually several Joe Armstrong's (for example,
> https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q712592)
>
> These Q numbers uniquely define subjects and objects. Verbs (or
> predicates) are given by P numbers
> so https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Property:P178 means "the organisation or
> person who developed the item.
>
> in RDF speak the triple
>
> {https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q1144644,
>   https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Property:P178,
>   https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q17031730}
>
> (BTW I recommend clicking on these links and playing around - there's lots
> of interesting
> data in RDF tuples and the above links are a good place to start looking)
>
> Means "TiddlyWiki developer Jeremy Rushton"
>
> These triples encode facts in a hopefully reasonably clear manner.
>
> So now the N$ question - can we automatically analyse a tiddler and turn
> it into a set
> of RDF tuples. If we could then we could add these to the huge databases
> of RDF tuples
> and possible find stuff in a clever way.
>
> The filter notation in the tiddlywiki reminds me very much of prolog, and
> I guess with a but of
> work SPARQL queries might be possible (SPARQL is an RDF query language)
>
> Cheers
>
> /Joe
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Monday, 10 December 2018 17:43:01 UTC+1, @TiddlyTweeter wrote:
>>
>> One of the things that interests me a lot that the talk raised a bit--and
>> which no one seems to know how to answer is ... :-)
>>
>> - WHAT exactly is an SU (Semantic Unit) in TW writing (or computing
>> writing In General, for that matter)?
>>
>> There is a kind of rule of thumb "its maybe a paragraph"? But, of course
>> that won't quite work for the one-sentence brevity of a Nietzsche.
>>
>> Its obviously highly context dependent. And I doubt much of that context
>> lives on the computer itself.
>>
>> The idea in TW towards writing "the shortest semantic whole possible"
>> (the word "fragment" here that is thrown around has muddied waters; they
>> are not fragments so much as whole-parts-of-wholes) allows for later
>> re-combinations to form more complex semantics.
>>
>> However, I think its bit of an, ultimately, moot and mute point, in the
>> sense that human meaning is often an interaction with technologies of
>> expression themselves (though no where ever fully defined by them). So its
>> an area of intuited understanding, not formal logic? On the other hand,
>> who's offering the horse which water?
>>
>> Josiah
>>
>> On Monday, 10 December 2018 12:49:14 UTC+1, PMario wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> Here's the video:
>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uv1UfLPK7_Q=9=PLvL2NEhYV4ZtWFBNOrApXaIoCTtj-yk7Y
>>>
>>> have fun!
>>> mario
>>>
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[tw5] SonicPi, TiddlyWiki and OSC?

[Alex Hough]

Dear All,

I've been playing with Sonic Pi [1] and was shown how it can take OSC data
from TouchOSC [2]

I searched the web and found osc.js [3]

I was wondering if :
a) anyone exploring or wants to explore TiddlyWiki, SonicPi and OSC?
b) they would be interested in collaborating on a art installation using
these technologies?
c) TW could take the place of TouchOSC

All comments and thoughts most welcome

best wishes

Alex

[1] https://sonic-pi.net/
[2] https://hexler.net/software/touchosc
[3] https://github.com/colinbdclark/osc.js/

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Re: [tw5] Publication Quality Contents Using Tiddlywiki

[Alex Hough]

i remember that!

it must be a lot easier now --with new CSS rotate and all that




Alex

On Tue, 20 Nov 2018 at 12:37, Jeremy Ruston  wrote:

> The waybackmachine to the rescue:
>
> https://web.archive.org/web/20100225222805/http://tiddlypocketbook.com:80/
>
> Best wishes
>
> Jeremy
>
> On 20 Nov 2018, at 12:25, Jeremy Ruston  wrote:
>
>
> On 20 Nov 2018, at 12:14, Alex Hough  wrote:
>
>
> any thoughts on how to make a muti-page booklet?
>
>
> It’s not quite what you want, but I’ve always loved the venerable
> TiddlyPocketBook:
>
> https://blog.whatfettle.com/2010/09/15/tiddlypocketbook/
>
> Best wishes
>
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Re: [tw5] Publication Quality Contents Using Tiddlywiki

[Alex Hough]

I was thinking about the same, only making a print magazine

Its about matching the tiddler size to the paper size, in my case each page
would be A5

any thoughts on how to make a muti-page booklet?

Alex

On Mon, 19 Nov 2018 at 15:05, Jan  wrote:

> Hi Mohammad,
> for me the biggest problem in using TW for scientific publications was
> footnotes. Thomas Elminger helped me with a plugin to solve this:
> http://slidesnstories.tiddlyspot.com/#About%20Footnotes.
> There you also find my variant of Alberto Molinas ScholarTabs which is
> called MetaTabs and the storysaver Plugin which allows to save sets of
> tiddlers and reload the to the story.
>
> Cheers Jan
>
> Am 19.11.2018 um 10:17 schrieb Mohammad:
>
> Is it possible to configure tiddlers for preparing high quality contents
> and print to pdf?
> This because I want to see if there is any experience to use Tiddlywiki
> like Ms Word or Latex
> for preparing publication quality contents?
>
> Any idea / sharing experiences / resources are appreciated!
>
> In my opinion we need some tools, some are already ready as plugin for
> Tiddlywiki!
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>
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Re: [tw5] Re: Animation effects: On Opening Tiddlers

[Alex Hough]

I wonder why the animation sends the tiddler off to the left when the side
bar is on the right.
the closed tiddler "goes into recent". If the tiddler could go right and
the recent tab flash to show where it is going I would be over the moon


Alex

On Thu, 8 Nov 2018 at 16:54, Mohammad  wrote:

> Hello Riz,
>  Thank you for the info! It is really great and I can find many effects
> there!
>
> Cheers
> Mohammad
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Re: [tw5] Re: Webzine 1990s style: ideas for theme? Web Art Project

[Alex Hough]

The topics are  music, art, craft, makerspace, design

I've run into problems with the TW / audio solution. The standalone version
of TW can't to relative links to external folder of audio files


Alex

On 14 September 2018 at 03:31, Guille Rmo  wrote:

> I also think TW is a great fit for this sort of project. I think you can
> have the file in the usb and play it in tiddlywiki.
>
> What kind of topics are present in your zine? If there is something I can
> contribute I would be glad to participate :)
>
>
>
> El jueves, 13 de septiembre de 2018, 6:47:10 (UTC-6), AlexHough escribió:
>>
>> Dear All,
>>
>> From 1993-1999 I produced a fanzine. I am now revisting the project using
>> audio, video and -- naturally -- TW.
>>
>> Since the 1990s, in electronic music there have been trends evoking
>> earlier electronic music.
>>
>> I'd like the TW to share this aesthetic in a knowing and loving homage.
>>
>> The feeling I want to evoke is of "nostalgia for a forgotten future" -
>> the future was more exciting back in the early days of dance music and the
>> web.
>>
>> I think I'd like to distribute the TW and the audio adn video on a USB
>> stick. Releasing a fanzine (on a paper medium) on a USB (more modern, yet
>> on the way out thanks to Dropbox) is like the current trend where vinyl is
>> making a return
>>
>> Anyone one have any stylistic pointers? Even better if anyone wants
>> to engage in a media art project involving music, audio, video, 'zines and
>> TW, please get in contact
>>
>> best wishes
>>
>>
>> Alex
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Re: [tw5] Webzine 1990s style: ideas for theme? Web Art Project

[Alex Hough]

Hi Tony,

We've been recording audio and the files are coming in really big.


There's some VHS footage which is nearly 2 gigabites. I was thinking that
using the memory stick as a way with a TW to distribute the media. It would
be a little like a CD Rom from the old days. The files are just too big for
Dropbox and UK upload speeds.

Collaborators its taking too long to share files: the USB drive seems the
thing to use

We're also playing about with 3d scaning and 3d printing. we can distribute
these type of files in our commuity of collaborators.

All this is in and about Stoke on Trent. The USB drive is fine as we are
close enough to make human contact.


I really like the idea of  the portfolio which people "own" -- i think its
especially interesting when working with archieve material and re-mixable
material.

Alex

On 13 September 2018 at 15:02, TonyM  wrote:

> Alex,
>
> Sounds interesting. I studied a little in electronic music in school
> around 1982. I would love to help if I can
>
> I have being thinking of building comissioned portfolio wikis to package
> content in a similar manner, but I think it is importiant to maintain the
> advantage of online capabilities to view or pull fresh content into wikis.
>
> Basicaly I am suggesting that with some design planning you can distribute
> a tiddlywiki like a document but it can be primed to remain current through
> internet connectivity.
>
> In some ways you share a curated view of the portfolio which people "own",
> can apply thier own feel and favorites. Yet at the same time you can source
> content where it is already published and avoid some of the copywrite
> issues since you never copy the source.
>
> I think having something that is more than a bookmark to a website, more
> like a magazine while still benifiting from the online content available is
> a new way of looking at the world, a way that harks back to those simpler
> and collectable days. So you can give someone this as a gift, even wrapped
> is a great idea, Yet embracing the future,
>
> Tiddlywiki is more than ideal for this.
>
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[tw5] Webzine 1990s style: ideas for theme? Web Art Project

[Alex Hough]

Dear All,

>From 1993-1999 I produced a fanzine. I am now revisting the project using
audio, video and -- naturally -- TW.

Since the 1990s, in electronic music there have been trends evoking earlier
electronic music.

I'd like the TW to share this aesthetic in a knowing and loving homage.

The feeling I want to evoke is of "nostalgia for a forgotten future" - the
future was more exciting back in the early days of dance music and the web.

I think I'd like to distribute the TW and the audio adn video on a USB
stick. Releasing a fanzine (on a paper medium) on a USB (more modern, yet
on the way out thanks to Dropbox) is like the current trend where vinyl is
making a return

Anyone one have any stylistic pointers? Even better if anyone wants to
engage in a media art project involving music, audio, video, 'zines and TW,
please get in contact

best wishes


Alex

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Re: [tw5] Re: SelectMode - KeeBoord Navigation

[Alex Hough]

BurningTreeC,

when you open the tiddler for editing with 'e' could the focus be on the
tiddler body?

really like this approach - i puts an other layer of editing over the top
of the TW.



Alex

On 5 August 2018 at 12:55, BurningTreeC 
wrote:

> Am Sonntag, 5. August 2018 03:01:07 UTC+2 schrieb h0p3:
>>
>> Hi community,
>>> for those interested in more advanced Keyboard-Navigation within
>>> tiddlywiki I've created
>>> http://selectmode.tiddlyspot.com
>>> ,
>>> where the "SelectMode" plugin will soon be available for drag
>>> installation
>>>
>>
>> Sending you all my interweb XOXOs. Thank you! This could easily be my
>> favorite plug-in.
>>
>> Meanwhile, if you're interested to test and comment, that would be great
>>> help.
>>> I'm looking for ideas how to visualize that the wiki is in select-mode.
>>> The top yellow bar will get an option to be disabled, but there should still
>>> be some kind of a visual hint that select-mode is on.
>>>
>>
>> Feel free to ignore anything I have to say here. I'm just spitballin'.
>>
>>- You might consider making it sticky as you scroll/navigate. It
>>doesn't follow you, and that might be worth having. The "highlighting" of
>>current/target/focused tiddler is outstanding. I really appreciate that
>>very much, and I may not really even need the bar just because of that
>>gorgeous highlighting.
>>- I use sticky titles (probably can't live without them). That
>>function wasn't working nicely for me on that particular TW, and I'm not
>>sure why. This might be a reason to put the bar on the bottom instead of
>>the top, which also has that sometimes annoying "Drop here (or use the
>>'Escape' key to cancel)" bar.
>>- Is it possible to start default in the text-body window for editing?
>>- You might consider adding a search bar that steps through entries
>>better than http://j.d.spartan.tiddlyspot.com/
>>
>> This is really awesome.
>>
>>
> Thanks, very helpful!
> I've addressed some points you've mentioned:
> The select-mode bar is on the bottom now and should have sticky position
> You can now select if you want to focus the text-editor or the title when
> editing a tiddler. I'll probably add shortcuts that will be active in
> select-mode to focus title, tags, editor, type and fields inputs
>
> How did you imagine the search bar? How should it behave, what should it
> search for... ?
>
> BTC
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Re: [tw5] thumbnail images from tiddler

[Alex Hough]

an idea: maybe transclude through a template?


ALex

On 30 July 2018 at 19:47, Mohammad  wrote:

> Is there any way to produce thumbnail images from tiddlers say tagged with
> someTag?
>
> for example:
>
>
> <$list filter="[tag[someTag]]">
>  <>
> 
>
>
>
> It seems trasclude does not keep the source format (those applied by css
> to special tagged tiddlers)!
>
> I want to use later list widget to show like gallery for quick view these
> tiddlers.
>
> Mohammad
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[tw5] username not saved, node

[Alex Hough]

Hi TW

I'm using the node version, i've noticed that when I reload the user name
does not persist.

Is this a bug?


best

Alex

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Re: [tw5] Announcing TWITS for data folders!!!

[Alex Hough]

So you could link your node .tid files to dropbox?

I can see the point of running a single file TW  am i missing the
benefit of saving .tid files




Alex

On 1 August 2018 at 19:22, 'Mark S.' via TiddlyWiki <
tiddlywiki@googlegroups.com> wrote:

> TiddlyWiki on node (and TiddlyServer) can run with data tiddlers. That is,
> each tiddler is in it's own file below a common subdirectory and is served
> up by the tiddlyserver as though it were one single TiddlyWiki. This has
> some advantages, like instant upgrades, faster load times, and you can (in
> a pinch) edit using your operating system text edit tools. But it's not as
> universal or portable as using a single-file TiddlyWiki.
>
> -- Mark
>
> On Wednesday, August 1, 2018 at 11:11:04 AM UTC-7, AlexHough wrote:
>>
>> Hi Arlen
>>
>> I am using a TW file and it works really well.
>> I've partnered it with Updog
>>
>> Its amazing! thank you!
>>
>>
>> a final question: when you say "data folders" what do you mean?
>>
>> Alex
>> [1] https://updog.co/news/tiddly-wiki/
>>
>> On 1 August 2018 at 02:10, Arlen Beiler  wrote:
>>
>>> Dropbox confirms it with the window you attached earlier. I was assuming
>>> everyone on this forum is familiar with https://twcloud.github.io/tw5-
>>> dropbox/ so I didn't bother to explain.
>>>
>>> The whole point of the app is to access your Dropbox and read and write
>>> the data folder you select. Sorry for the confusion.
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wed, Aug 1, 2018, 08:30 TonyM  wrote:
>>>
>>>> As mark says, Arlen should confirm - you are granting access to the
>>>> Application
>>>>
>>>> On Wednesday, August 1, 2018 at 12:29:18 AM UTC+10, Mark S. wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Hi Arlen,
>>>>>
>>>>> I think the concern is that a 3rd party might be perusing your dropbox
>>>>> directory. I think you've explained before that that doesn't/can't happen?
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks!
>>>>>
>>>>> -- Mark
>>>>>
>>>>> On Monday, July 30, 2018 at 11:59:32 PM UTC-7, Arlen Beiler wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Yes, the app enables you to access TiddlyWiki data folders stored in
>>>>>> your Dropbox. It works online so you can access it from any computer you
>>>>>> are logged into Dropbox on.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Tue, Jul 31, 2018, 12:19 Alex Hough  wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Arlen,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I'd like to help test this, Ive got this far:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I am a bit confused... could you explain what happens next. It looks
>>>>>>> like I am being asked to share my dropbox with you.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Alex
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 30 July 2018 at 08:32, Arlen Beiler  wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Hello everyone,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I have worked out a prototype of TiddlyWiki in the Sky for Dropbox
>>>>>>>> that loads data folders. I am eager to hear your feedback on it. It's 
>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>> same basic idea, so without further ado, here is a link to the page.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> It is still in very early beta, so there is no code to save changes
>>>>>>>> yet, but that is part of the plan. There is no code anywhere in the app
>>>>>>>> that makes changes to your Dropbox, so feel free to explore all you 
>>>>>>>> want
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> https://twcloud.github.io/dropbox-datafolder/
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> And here is the Github repo.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> https://github.com/twcloud/dropbox-datafolder
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Let me know how it works.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Enjoy!
>>>>>>>> Arlen
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Re: [tw5] Announcing TWITS for data folders!!!

[Alex Hough]

Hi Arlen

I am using a TW file and it works really well.
I've partnered it with Updog

Its amazing! thank you!


a final question: when you say "data folders" what do you mean?

Alex
[1] https://updog.co/news/tiddly-wiki/

On 1 August 2018 at 02:10, Arlen Beiler  wrote:

> Dropbox confirms it with the window you attached earlier. I was assuming
> everyone on this forum is familiar with https://twcloud.github.io/tw5-
> dropbox/ so I didn't bother to explain.
>
> The whole point of the app is to access your Dropbox and read and write
> the data folder you select. Sorry for the confusion.
>
>
> On Wed, Aug 1, 2018, 08:30 TonyM  wrote:
>
>> As mark says, Arlen should confirm - you are granting access to the
>> Application
>>
>> On Wednesday, August 1, 2018 at 12:29:18 AM UTC+10, Mark S. wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi Arlen,
>>>
>>> I think the concern is that a 3rd party might be perusing your dropbox
>>> directory. I think you've explained before that that doesn't/can't happen?
>>>
>>> Thanks!
>>>
>>> -- Mark
>>>
>>> On Monday, July 30, 2018 at 11:59:32 PM UTC-7, Arlen Beiler wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Yes, the app enables you to access TiddlyWiki data folders stored in
>>>> your Dropbox. It works online so you can access it from any computer you
>>>> are logged into Dropbox on.
>>>>
>>>> On Tue, Jul 31, 2018, 12:19 Alex Hough  wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Arlen,
>>>>>
>>>>> I'd like to help test this, Ive got this far:
>>>>>
>>>>> I am a bit confused... could you explain what happens next. It looks
>>>>> like I am being asked to share my dropbox with you.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Alex
>>>>>
>>>>> On 30 July 2018 at 08:32, Arlen Beiler  wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Hello everyone,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I have worked out a prototype of TiddlyWiki in the Sky for Dropbox
>>>>>> that loads data folders. I am eager to hear your feedback on it. It's the
>>>>>> same basic idea, so without further ado, here is a link to the page.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> It is still in very early beta, so there is no code to save changes
>>>>>> yet, but that is part of the plan. There is no code anywhere in the app
>>>>>> that makes changes to your Dropbox, so feel free to explore all you want
>>>>>>
>>>>>> https://twcloud.github.io/dropbox-datafolder/
>>>>>>
>>>>>> And here is the Github repo.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> https://github.com/twcloud/dropbox-datafolder
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Let me know how it works.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Enjoy!
>>>>>> Arlen
>>>>>>
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Re: [tw5] Announcing TWITS for data folders!!!

[Alex Hough]

Arlen,

I'd like to help test this, Ive got this far:

I am a bit confused... could you explain what happens next. It looks like I
am being asked to share my dropbox with you.



Alex

On 30 July 2018 at 08:32, Arlen Beiler  wrote:

> Hello everyone,
>
> I have worked out a prototype of TiddlyWiki in the Sky for Dropbox that
> loads data folders. I am eager to hear your feedback on it. It's the same
> basic idea, so without further ado, here is a link to the page.
>
> It is still in very early beta, so there is no code to save changes yet,
> but that is part of the plan. There is no code anywhere in the app that
> makes changes to your Dropbox, so feel free to explore all you want
>
> https://twcloud.github.io/dropbox-datafolder/
>
> And here is the Github repo.
>
> https://github.com/twcloud/dropbox-datafolder
>
> Let me know how it works.
>
> Enjoy!
> Arlen
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Re: [tw5] I think it might work to have an interview series ... "TW to TW"

[Alex Hough]

I'm curious, in a pleasantly confused way

can you expand?

Alex

On 30 July 2018 at 21:06, @TiddlyTweeter  wrote:

> One has the stupid idea of one interviewing about the formation of the
> thing from the inside. One idea against has been the great danger that one
> could overlook the moment recently.  But I sat down with that and felt it
> was too expensive to think that way.
>
> One can roughly advance the idea that some here may have a lot to say that
> could be helpful IF expanded further.
>
> I like the idea a TW can talk to a TW about what a TW is.
>
> Could be interesting.
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Re: [tw5] [Slightly OT] Jeremy speaking at CodeMesh, London 8/9th November 2018

[Alex Hough]

Jeremy,

I have an idea!

Could we make a separate artefact with you and Joe. I am kick starting a
not-for-profit project, it has a Code Club as part of it.

Thanks to Joe's Tweet mentioning Sonic Pi and TiddlyWiki as great starting
points for learning to code, we are planning an event using Sonic Pi

maybe we could take this converstaion off line before reporting back to the
TiddlyWiki community...

best wishes

Alex

On 19 July 2018 at 10:01, Jeremy Ruston  wrote:

> Joe Armstrong has kindly invited me to speak with him on "Intertwingling
> the Tiddlywiki with Erlang” at the CodeMesh conference in London on
> November  8/9th 2018. For those that may not know, Joe is the eminent
> creator of Erlang, a computer language that has become dominant in real
> time telecoms systems over the last 30 years. Joe has been interested in
> TiddlyWiki for a few years, and recently we’ve been collaborating on ideas
> that emerge from mixing the concepts of Erlang with those of TiddlyWiki.
>
> I’m afraid it’s a commercial conference with a hefty price tag, but may be
> interesting for anyone with a supportive employer who funds conference
> attendance. If it’s not recorded I think Joe and I can undertake to repeat
> the talk for posterity at some point.
>
> https://codesync.global/conferences/code-mesh-2018/
>
> I don’t normally seek out opportunities for public speaking, but I’m quite
> excited about this one. It’s been fascinating to see how Joe thinks about
> TiddlyWiki, and encouraging to have some mainstream interest.
>
> Best wishes
>
> Jeremy.
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Re: [tw5] Re: Node, 5.1.18-prerelease: TypeError: Buffer.alloc is not a function

[Alex Hough]

Thanks Jeremy,

I'll give it a go...

Alex

On 7 July 2018 at 12:26, Jeremy Ruston  wrote:

> Hi Alex
>
> I followed the documentation on installing pre-release on node.
>
>
> OK, the difference here is that the new code is in a different branch, so
> you'll need to download it from this URL, rather than the one in the
> instructions:
>
> https://github.com/Jermolene/TiddlyWiki5/tree/http-server
>
> Best wishes
>
> Jeremy
>
>
> I updated node following Jed's recommendation.
>
> its working perfectly...
>
> The new custom styles are amazing btw
>
> Alex
>
> [1] https://tiddlywiki.com/prerelease/#Installing%
> 20TiddlyWiki%20Prerelease%20on%20Node.js
>
> On 6 July 2018 at 07:24, Jeremy Ruston  wrote:
>
>> Hi Alex
>>
>> Did you definitely download the new branch, rather than the default
>> master branch? Check my original post for links
>>
>> Best wishes
>>
>> Jeremy
>>
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>>
>>
>> On 6 Jul 2018, at 06:37, Alex Hough  wrote:
>>
>> UPDATE
>>
>> The listen command still doesn't work, server does though.
>>
>> ast login: Fri Jul  6 06:19:08 on ttys003
>>
>> users-mbp-2:~ alexhough$ node -v
>>
>> v8.11.3
>>
>> users-mbp-2:~ alexhough$ TiddlyWiki --version
>>
>> 5.1.18-prerelease
>>
>> users-mbp-2:~ alexhough$ tiddlywiki mynewwiki --listen
>>
>> *Error: Unknown command: listen*
>>
>> users-mbp-2:~ alexhough$ tiddlywiki mynewwiki --server
>>
>> Serving on 127.0.0.1:8080
>>
>> maybe the docs are ahead of the code in this instance
>>
>> Alex
>>
>>
>> On 5 July 2018 at 12:13, Alex Hough  wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> thanks Jed and Tony,
>>>
>>> I like using the latest version, and want to help iron out problems.
>>>
>>> I'm pretty certain I'm running an old version of node, thanks Jed!
>>>
>>> Alex
>>>
>>> On 5 July 2018 at 10:19, Jed Carty  wrote:
>>>
>>>> I think there were some changes to the Buffer module but that was a
>>>> while ago. Are you using an older version of node? You can tell by opening
>>>> a terminal and typing 'node -v'. If you have a version older than 6 you
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Re: [tw5] Query: Is TW Male, Female?

[Alex Hough]

It's more like a plant I think... i miss the fracalVeg.jpg from the old
days of TW.

Ferns, sunflower heads -- the fractal or fractal like nature of TW sure

As a guidance for gendered language, I think it should be La TiddlyWiki,
Die TiddlyWiki -- feminine. The useful buds are on the female plants in
hemp family, so...

The cultural arround TW seems too gentle to be associated with testosterone
led behavoirs of male animals


Alex

On 6 July 2018 at 22:12, Thomas Elmiger  wrote:

> Well IT is able to reproduce itself, so it might be a hermaphrodite (both
> at the same time).
>
> 
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Re: [tw5] Re: Node, 5.1.18-prerelease: TypeError: Buffer.alloc is not a function

[Alex Hough]

Hi Jeremy,

I followed the documentation on installing pre-release on node.

I updated node following Jed's recommendation.

its working perfectly...

The new custom styles are amazing btw

Alex

[1]
https://tiddlywiki.com/prerelease/#Installing%20TiddlyWiki%20Prerelease%20on%20Node.js

On 6 July 2018 at 07:24, Jeremy Ruston  wrote:

> Hi Alex
>
> Did you definitely download the new branch, rather than the default master
> branch? Check my original post for links
>
> Best wishes
>
> Jeremy
>
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>
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> On 6 Jul 2018, at 06:37, Alex Hough  wrote:
>
> UPDATE
>
> The listen command still doesn't work, server does though.
>
> ast login: Fri Jul  6 06:19:08 on ttys003
>
> users-mbp-2:~ alexhough$ node -v
>
> v8.11.3
>
> users-mbp-2:~ alexhough$ TiddlyWiki --version
>
> 5.1.18-prerelease
>
> users-mbp-2:~ alexhough$ tiddlywiki mynewwiki --listen
>
> *Error: Unknown command: listen*
>
> users-mbp-2:~ alexhough$ tiddlywiki mynewwiki --server
>
> Serving on 127.0.0.1:8080
>
> maybe the docs are ahead of the code in this instance
>
> Alex
>
>
> On 5 July 2018 at 12:13, Alex Hough  wrote:
>
>>
>> thanks Jed and Tony,
>>
>> I like using the latest version, and want to help iron out problems.
>>
>> I'm pretty certain I'm running an old version of node, thanks Jed!
>>
>> Alex
>>
>> On 5 July 2018 at 10:19, Jed Carty  wrote:
>>
>>> I think there were some changes to the Buffer module but that was a
>>> while ago. Are you using an older version of node? You can tell by opening
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>>> should probably consider updating.
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Re: [tw5] Re: "new here" open above current tiddler option?

[Alex Hough]

Thanks Mario,

If it's "feature request" - what are the next steps?

You wrote:

BUT if the param is added it is ignored. ... Which is a _different_ bug.

Does you mean that tm-new-tiddler doesn't have the complexity to handle the
requested behaviour?


Alex

On 6 July 2018 at 11:45, PMario  wrote:

> Hi Alex,
>
> It seems those settings only apply to "link" activation. ...
> IMO this is a feature request.
>
> ---
>
> tm-new-tiddler handling uses different rules. It uses a parameter: 
> navigateFromTitle
> ... BUT if the
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Re: [tw5] Re: Node, 5.1.18-prerelease: TypeError: Buffer.alloc is not a function

[Alex Hough]

UPDATE

The listen command still doesn't work, server does though.

ast login: Fri Jul  6 06:19:08 on ttys003

users-mbp-2:~ alexhough$ node -v

v8.11.3

users-mbp-2:~ alexhough$ TiddlyWiki --version

5.1.18-prerelease

users-mbp-2:~ alexhough$ tiddlywiki mynewwiki --listen

*Error: Unknown command: listen*

users-mbp-2:~ alexhough$ tiddlywiki mynewwiki --server

Serving on 127.0.0.1:8080

maybe the docs are ahead of the code in this instance

Alex


On 5 July 2018 at 12:13, Alex Hough  wrote:

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>
> I like using the latest version, and want to help iron out problems.
>
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>
> Alex
>
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Re: [tw5] What does the qualify macro do

[Alex Hough]

Jeremy,

To see the difference you have to open up the tiddler.

I think the docuemntation example is possibly a bit confusing.

For learning I think that perhaps the "try it" feature kind of gets in the
way of opening the tiddler and seeing inside.

the documentation tiddler macro adds another level of complextity as the
transcluded tiddler contains such a macro.

... not a major point, but I  find qualify difficult to get my head round.

Why is is called "qualify"? To me the word means qualify as in "we
qualified for the world cup"...

best wishes

Alex

On 5 July 2018 at 14:52, Mohammad  wrote:

> Hello Jeremy!
>  I read that, but actually I didn't get the real purpose!
>
> /Mohammad
>
>
>
> On Thursday, July 5, 2018 at 6:16:37 PM UTC+4:30, Jeremy Ruston wrote:
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>> Hi Mohammad
>>
>> If you didn’t see it, there’s more information about the state mechanism
>> here: https://tiddlywiki.com/#qualify%20Macro
>>
>> Best wishes
>>
>> Jeremy
>>
>>
>>
>> On 5 Jul 2018, at 14:43, Mohammad  wrote:
>>
>> Look at
>>  https://tiddlywiki.com/#qualify%20Macro
>>
>> I dont get what really the qualify macro do! Does it generate some states
>> to be used with widgets like Reveal widget?
>> If so, how and when these states are removed?
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Re: [tw5] Re: [TW5] Announcing Single Executable version using Bob 1.0.2 Sourdough Biscuits

[Alex Hough]

Hi Jed,

some dunmb questions:


1) does this require a node server connected to the internet
2) can we have go with a test version

looks really good on the face of it, I need to spend more time on
processing the detail. Seeing what it does would help me.


Alex

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> This is a periodic "shout-out" about the Brilliance Of Bob ... I, a
> relative idiot, got Bob to do loads of things quickly and easily ... Here
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[tw5] Spell checking in browser- has it gone?

[Alex Hough]

Hello TiddlyWorld,

Is it just me of does the spell checker in Chrome no longer work wiht the
latest pre-release of TW?

Bellow is  screenshot from https://tiddlywiki.com/prerelease/





This is from TW,com.. the errors are underlined





best wishes

Alex

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Re: [tw5] Re: Node, 5.1.18-prerelease: TypeError: Buffer.alloc is not a function

[Alex Hough]

thanks Jed and Tony,

I like using the latest version, and want to help iron out problems.

I'm pretty certain I'm running an old version of node, thanks Jed!

Alex

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[tw5] Node, 5.1.18-prerelease: TypeError: Buffer.alloc is not a function

[Alex Hough]

@jeremy,

Is this the best place to post the below?
I have updated TW on node

users-mbp-2:TW-Node alexhough$ tiddlywiki --version

5.1.18-prerelease


Then I tried

users-mbp-2:TW-Node alexhough$ tiddlywiki mynewwiki --init server


The output was

$:/core/modules/utils/filesystem.js:60

fileBuffer = Buffer.alloc(FILE_BUFFER_LENGTH);

^

TypeError: Buffer.alloc is not a function

at exports.copyFile ($:/core/modules/utils/filesystem.js:60:23)

at copy ($:/core/modules/utils/filesystem.js:35:14)

at copy ($:/core/modules/utils/filesystem.js:40:12)

at exports.copyDirectory ($:/core/modules/utils/filesystem.js:47:2)

at Command.execute ($:/core/modules/commands/init.js:42:23)

at Commander.executeNextCommand ($:/core/modules/commander.js:100:14)

at Commander.execute ($:/core/modules/commander.js:64:7)

at Object.exports.startup ($:/core/modules/startup/commands.js:34:12)

at $tw.boot.executeNextStartupTask
(/Users/alexhough/TiddlyWiki5-master/boot/boot.js:2113:10)

at $tw.boot.executeNextStartupTask
(/Users/alexhough/TiddlyWiki5-master/boot/boot.js:2111:21)

users-mbp-2:TW-Node alexhough$



The new material on the pre-release looks very interesting, I have a new
project and want to start with state of the art TW...

best wishes


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Re: [tw5] The Art Of Memory -- Just a few thousand years of thoughts

[Alex Hough]

Josiah,

I've been exploring space and thinking, from starting point of a garden
explicitly designed for speculation




The Garden of Cosmic Speculation,positive feedback in my attention system:

It now seems
MORE LIKELY
to be directed towards
how
GARDENS AND PLACES
can interact
with THINKING, DREAMING & SPECULATION
than it was before

=> #PositiveFeedback

https://thegardenofcosmicspeculation.com/about




https://twitter.com/100aCreweRoad/status/996354852509937665

On 15 May 2018 at 11:00, Kalmir  wrote:

> Andreas, I think this is pure awesomeness! I have been considering to
> build mem palaces in Minecraft but havn't got to it yet.
>
> Is it difficult to set up your solution (for a non-coder, half-geek)?
>
>
> On Friday, May 11, 2018 at 3:44:47 PM UTC+2, Andreas Hahn wrote:
>>
>> Hi,
>>
>> I hope I am not offtopic with sharing this, but back in February I wrote
>> a plugin for a Minecraft server that connects to Tiddlywiki for the
>> purposes of exploring memory palaces. The idea was that you could link
>> up places within your Minecraft world to tiddlers within your wiki,
>> which would help you both remember facts and visualize content from your
>> wiki.
>>
>> After I got an initial version to work, I more or less ran out of ideas
>> and put the project aside for a bit, but I thought it might be
>> interesting to show it off, so here is a small video of how it works:
>>
>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VXgcNBXGThs
>>
>> (Note: I have two monitors, so usually this sort of concept is a lot
>> more usable)
>>
>> /Andreas
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Re: [tw5] Re: History: Is TiddlyWiki A Card-Index System?

[Alex Hough]

i thought Jeremy's "Osmosoft" moniker was a useful partner to defining
TiddlyWiki

the concepts  of osmosis, biological systems then there was the image
of the "fractal veg" ... all this produced an aesthetic that supported the
idea that TW is a living thing, in an eco system.

I particularly like "osmosoft" as it emphasises software. Somehow the
"soft" and "softness" has been lost in "software"

When I discovered that Jeremy had done some animations for a Richard
Dawkins TV program (am I right Jeremy) and for the BBC


Collaborating at with a Zettlekesten at the level of osmosis seems like a
development of Luhrman's idea. There's software and biology together,
hinting at a future where computers are very different...


So... a few ideas

Lets re-introduce the biological and the fractal-biological metaphors into
TW documentation!





Alex




On 1 May 2018 at 01:22, TonyM  wrote:

> Tristian,
>
> Thanks for sharing your story. So not along with Platform and ecosystem we
> could say TiddlyWiki is a "user friendly database", "a front end", a
> back-end, a programming playground, a Hobby, application development
> platform.
>
> Its functions are not limited.
>
> Tony
>
>
> On Tuesday, April 3, 2018 at 3:06:15 AM UTC+10, Tristan Kohl wrote:
>>
>> Great recap Josiah, thank you for that :)
>>
>> I want to drop my two cents as well: Before I came to TW I was just
>> looking for a note taking application and tried many (DokuWiki, Zim,
>> CherryTree,...) and mentioned Zettelkasten. Since I live in Germany it was
>> pretty easy for me to get into the mostly german community as there was no
>> language barrier for me to overcome. However after some months and dozens
>> of cards I came to the conclusion that "finding emerging interconnections"
>> is not the same as "note taking".
>>
>> I then stumbled on TW and gave it a try as I did with all the others.
>> Back then I did not expect that I would fall in love with it and TW
>> bringing me an exciting new hobby waking the urge to learn programming.
>> Today, looking back at my odyssey I see TW as a general purpose database
>> which provides the (boring but necessary) backend (storing, linking,
>> searching, saving, ... )  to build any imaginable application on top. So I
>> would second Tony's observation and state that TW can be used as the
>> database to implement a full blown Zettelkasten. But you could not use
>> Zettelkasten for everything TW can do (see my experiences above).
>>
>> Nowadays I use TW as a tool to keep track of my bees, my honey wine
>> production, home automation and many other things which I could not do on
>> top of many other software other than a real DBM - but than I would have to
>> recreate the frontend over and over again instead of just using a bunch of
>> widgets and wikitext.
>>
>> I just noticed that the author dropped the original Zettelkasten
>> application in favour of his new app - TW still exists so I would say that
>> is another win for us users :)
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Tristan
>>
>> On Thursday, March 29, 2018 at 4:07:03 PM UTC+2, @TiddlyTweeter wrote:
>>>
>>> Mark S. asked ...
>>>
 Perhaps with your background you could explain Zettelkasten. There
 seems to be an almost cult-like culture around a system of taking notes (by
 software or index cards). https://zettelkasten.de/ .

>>>
>>> Mark S. asked me that interesting question in another thread, started by
>>> Mat, comparing TW to other "similar software". I been thinking about Mark's
>>> question. I wasn't sure if people here are interested in this, but then I
>>> thought well, hey, they might be ...
>>>
>>> "Zettelkästen" is just the German for "card indices" in general.
>>> https://zettelkasten.de/ is a specific "Zettelkästen Methodology"
>>> derived from the work done originally (on physical cards) by the brilliant
>>> prolific sociologist and systems theorist Niklas Luhmann.
>>>
>>> He was one of several social scientists who prefigured issues that would
>>> come up in the development of software for "soft data" and "emergent
>>> structure". The point being that in the social sciences, a lot of the time,
>>> theories/patterns emerge during research, so you need flexibility--its not
>>> like hard science which is more driven by strict prior hypotheses that have
>>> clear "data slots"--nor is it like birth & death records, nor address books
>>> etc. In short, social science (especially ideographic fieldwork) needs an
>>> "open" way to record information.
>>>
>>> The PRACTICAL issue for the Luhmann style Zettelkästeners, in software,
>>> was (1) how to maintain the integrity of the record (the card) AND (2)
>>> relate that record to other records (the cards) in an EMERGENT way. In
>>> other words NOT be a strict database that only had determined prior slots
>>> (hypothesised significant). At the time of emergence of such work it was a
>>> hot issue.
>>>
>>> The "Zettelkästen Methodology" is interesting and clearly is still used
>>> to 

[tw5] Re: [tw] Re: History: Is TiddlyWiki A Card-Index System?

[Alex Hough]

The new feature in the latest release where you can change the text for
"New Tiddler" is more useful that I ever imagined. It enables the user to
construct a more meaningful set of prompts with TW.

It stuck me that prompts can be designed to help enhance the feeling of
collaboration with the technology -- like Luhmann



Alex

On 5 April 2018 at 21:32, @TiddlyTweeter  wrote:

> Ciao TonyM
>
> Lovely reply. Actually I don't think we disagree at all. The point I was,
> centrally, trying to make was that TW is NOT inherently any kind of
> Card-Index.
>
> You CAN use it to construct Card Indices, no problem. And it is. And I
> think YOU were saying that? Right? That I agree with FULLY.
>
> BUT. my key point was not opinion actually (despite some of my opinions
> around that)--rather it was focused on "what is the minimal unit in TW?"
> Its is certainly NOT a Card Index. Its a fragment before that. That
> fragment, Tiddler, can take on the guise of a Card Index but its basic
> state isn't one unless you intended that. Its just as much more like a note
> on the back of a fag packet :-).
>
> Josiah , x
>
> TonyM wrote:
>>
>> You say "2) [TW]  its native metaphor of basic data (fragments) are more
>> in-kin with "back-of-an-envelope" notes and "post-it-notes" of any size.
>> Card Index cards already have an implying of a series, a purposive
>> collection. Notes on scrap paper usually don't."
>>
>> That is your interpretation of TW "structure" or lack of, I do not share
>> this. I see it's potential both as unstructured and structured (multiple
>> alternatives).
>>
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Re: [tw] Re: History: Is TiddlyWiki A Card-Index System?

[Alex Hough]

Yes... I am a bg fan of all this

surely we'll have TWs which with AI soon

Alex

On 30 March 2018 at 08:13, Mat  wrote:

> Appreciated, Josiah!
>
> <:-)
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Re: [tw] Joe Armstrong's talk at Code Beam 2018

[Alex Hough]

Super cool!



Alex

On 20 March 2018 at 21:56, Jeremy Ruston  wrote:

> You’ll recognise Joe’s name from his postings to the group. What you may
> not know is that Joe is an eminent computer scientist working in
> distributed systems, and the co-inventor of an influential programming
> language called Erlang.
>
> Last week, Joe gave the keynote at the annual conference for the Erlang
> ecosystem on the topic “The Forgotten Ideas in Computer Science”, and
> included a very nice section about TiddlyWiki. It’s a really fun talk and
> highly recommended:
>
> https://youtu.be/-I_jE0l7sYQ
>
> Joe has kindly invited me to collaborate on a talk to give together later
> in the year in London. Hopefully we’ll have more news about that soon.
>
> Best wishes
>
> Jeremy.
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Re: [tw] Re: Introducing: Label Tool (and dblist)

[Alex Hough]

Just a thought.

I wonder if the plugin could be used to produce QR labels from the QR
function in TW


Alex

On 18 March 2018 at 12:39, @TiddlyTweeter  wrote:

> Ciao Mike
>
> Thanks for the detailed comments! They are useful to read.
>
> The area of accurate printing via CSS I think has quite a lot of
> "exception handling" you have to deal with. Your comments illustrate that
> well.
>
> I'm pretty sure its like that because, still, when browsers adopt new CSS
> rules, there is hardly any assessment of final printed output on testing
> the implementation. Its an area of CSS that has great potential--but is
> weak and inconsistent as soon as you start trying to create reliable
> precision.
>
> One advantage of printing to PDF, rather than printer, is its a way around
> some of the current problems. I assume that is why its used so widely?
>
> Best wishes
> Josiah
>
> Michael Wiktowy wrote:
>>
>> Some of the issues that I ran into:
>> 1) All the little margins and padding that get placed everywhere even
>> though you have not specified anything and it is just an "unprintable" and
>> "undisplayed" whitespace in the html drove me nuts. It isn't. Mostly solved
>> by setting font size and line heights to zero on the containing elements
>> and then resetting them to the size you want where you want them. Sometimes
>> solved in a case by case basis by html commenting out whitespace. It
>> weirdly works.
>>
>> 2) Also, there is a little bit of margin around the html body element
>> that causes a weird margin at the top (screwing up your pagination on the
>> first page only) and at the end (giving you an random extra page on
>> templates that fill up the top to bottom space like tent cards). I had to
>> force that to zero in the @media print rule.
>>
>> 3) @page rule is a wonderful concept for printing that is largely ignored
>> in Chrome. Chrome depends on manual print page margin setting which makes
>> it great for over-riding crappy print layouts but makes it impossible to
>> make things completely automatic. I got to the point where only the top
>> margin setting is needed and the rest should be zero. If you set all the
>> manual margins to zero in Firefox, the @page top margin is respected and
>> things line up automatically. I wanted to fake this using and n-up layout
>> within TiddlyWiki but could not figure out how or if it can process n list
>> items at a time.
>>
>> 4) I would have liked to have some automatic resizing/scaling of fonts to
>> fit each unit div but apparently that does not exist unless you hack it up
>> by iterating with javascript which is beyond my skill-set. My first attempt
>> as squeezing text in was to use the "condensed" version of a font but
>> whether the font that a browser chooses has a condensed variant is hit or
>> miss even with the same font-family specification. I ended up just
>> squeezing by changing the font size on the line that was assumed the
>> biggest but what is done with that checkmark is template specific. This
>> might turn into a slider or a +/- button in the future to allow some fine
>> tuning.
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[tw] Recommendations for hosting with domain name

[Alex Hough]

Dear All,

Apart from TiddlySpot and GitHub what would you recomend to host a TW?

I want to tie the TW to a domain name

best wishes

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[tw] New font on Pre-release. Some non-linear notes.

[Alex Hough]

Fellow TWikers,

I 've found myself TW in the following way.

1) go to latest pre-release
2) start using it.
3) search the documentation
4) make a few pull requests when I find myself extending the documentation
as I learn and try out new features.

Then the other day I visited I noticed that prerelease looked particularly
freshly minted. I noticed that the font had changed. This made me feel very
happy!

For some reason i found it easier to read. But the main think was that the
difference in font made using pre-release feel like using a fresh piece of
paper. A super fresh blank canvas.

Personally I would like to preserve the distinction between prerelease and
TW.com.

Always have a slightly more futuristic pre-release <-- thats what I say!

Any thoughts?

best wishes

Alex

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Re: [tw] Re: [TW5][Discussion] DragnDrop Blocks

[Alex Hough]

Have a look at the two Kanban edition: they're listed on  TW.com

Alex (in haste)

On 7 March 2018 at 09:06, BurningTreeC  wrote:

> Next step for me is to create a tag pill that represents a widget or a
> macro
> the dropdown holds the possible attributes - they can be selected and then
> their values can be inserted
>
> the closing parts of widgets or html tags need to be handled, too
> that's something I'm gathering ideas for atm
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Re: [tw] Re: Wikipedia, Text Slicer Edition & Pandoc

[Alex Hough]

Hi Steve,

I've been experimenting with text slicer and Sublime text editor.

Basically I am learning to use Sublime to help prepare cut and pasted text
for text-slicer.

Using multiply cursers, adding spaces at the end of paragraph so that the
text slicer makes sense of the spaces



Alex

On 24 February 2018 at 13:31, BurningTreeC 
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> Hi Steven,
>
> originally you've also mentioned the text-slicer plugin and I'd anyway
> like to figure it out and make it's interactions clearer
>
> I was also thinking about creating something on top of it, but before that
> I'd have to figure out what all the things are one can do with it,
> which input it handles and what we can do with its output
>
> As I understand, it splits html to small chunks that are reusable
> afterwards, so they're all single tiddlers
> The Pandoc could be a translator from other formats to html, and the
> text-slicer the final converter to tiddlers
>
> If this is how it works then we could focus on creating some UI and
> workflows on top of it for various input types,
> That would be a great knowledgebase I think
>
> Simon
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Re: [tw] Re: Presenting: Range Slider - sliiiide 'em settings, baby!

[Alex Hough]

Thanks Jed,

that does the job!

BTW, why does't the value change when the slider is being moved? Is it
intentional?

I rather like seeing the number change while i slide my sliders!


Alex

On 19 February 2018 at 08:38, Jed Carty  wrote:

> I did make a very simple range slider widget that lets you set the min max
> and steps for the widget. It doesn't label the steps. It should work if you
> just need a range thing that gives you values from 1-10 instead of 1-100
> though.
>
> http://ooktech.com/jed/ExampleWikis/InputRangeSliderWidget/
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Re: [tw] Re: TidGraph: strange opening behavior

[Alex Hough]

Thanks Burning TreeC

The plugin is written in JS not Tiddly widgets -- it a "diversion for my TW
Learning path" (or should that be a "meander on my TW Leaning River")

Looking at Evan's work [1], my gut feeling is that it would be easier and
more future-proof to work from understanding how Evan is producing SVG
images by using the latest version of TW and an approach which has greater
potential given they are within the context of the formula plugin

Evan, if you are reading ... what do you think?



Alex

[1] https://evanbalster.com/tiddlywiki/formulas.html

On 18 February 2018 at 13:31, BurningTreeC 
wrote:

> Hi @AlexHough,
>
> it updates the browser address bar when opening a link - I think that's
> the problem
>
>
> Am Sonntag, 18. Februar 2018 14:12:00 UTC+1 schrieb AlexHough:
>>
>> Hi All,
>>
>>
>> go to https://ihm4u.github.io/tw5plugs/#Tidgraph%20-%20Easy%20t
>> iddler%20graphs%20for%20TW5
>>
>> open and close "faith"
>>
>> Then try to open "faith" again
>>
>> Open "hope"
>>
>> then try to open "faith" -- it works!
>>
>>
>> I think its a great plugin. Does anyone have any idea about changing this
>> behaviour?
>>
>> best wishes
>>
>> Alex
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[tw] TidGraph: strange opening behavior

[Alex Hough]

Hi All,


go to
https://ihm4u.github.io/tw5plugs/#Tidgraph%20-%20Easy%20tiddler%20graphs%20for%20TW5

open and close "faith"

Then try to open "faith" again

Open "hope"

then try to open "faith" -- it works!


I think its a great plugin. Does anyone have any idea about changing this
behaviour?

best wishes

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Re: [tw] Re: Presenting: Range Slider - sliiiide 'em settings, baby!

[Alex Hough]

Hi TiddlyWikers,

I was looking to make a slider with 1-10 options.

Eric made a suggestion how to do this above.

What's the current feeling on including them?


Alex

On 19 June 2017 at 18:33, Mat  wrote:

> On Monday, June 19, 2017 at 5:33:12 PM UTC+2, Mark S. wrote:
>>
>> From my perspective, tweaking the edit-text code is better, because Eric
>> has already shown how to do that. Edit-text is going to continue to be
>> complicated anyway -- no one is talking about rolling back any of its
>> options.
>>
>
> Regarding "edit-text is going to be complicated anyway" - I don't see why
> it has to be.
>
> Rather than rolling back options, they can (I'd guess) remain but they
> just don't have to be promoted. Actually, just like the range type wasn't
> promoted even if it was already possible.
>
> IMO it makes sense to take advantage of the underlying html elements and
> partly mirror those, if this is not already done. What we're really talking
> about is the html Input element, which has a plethora of types. If it is
> not already done, it would probably make sense to implement a common
> "kernel" for the HTML Input type and then make widgets that use this common
> kernel but add various attributes for the particular form.
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Re: [tw] Imagine all the plugins... livin' for the dayyy-yahay-yayayyy....

[Alex Hough]

Hi Ma

I think this would be good too... toggle and all links would open in edit
mode

Alex

On 15 February 2018 at 18:51, Mat  wrote:

> Apropos the discussion if the new "diff" feature should be a separate
> plugin or baked into core...
>
> Imagine if the UI to add plugins was *really* smooth.
>
> Need a feature? - just toggle a button, wherever you're standing e.g in a
> tiddlers edit view.
> Only needed it at that moment? Just untoggle and it is not part of your TW
> anymore.
>
> Insta-feature. Tool-on-demand. Use-'n-drop.
>
> Or keep. Depending on the nature of the plugin.
>
> Plugins integrated into the *workflow* rather than the TW.
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Re: [tw] Is it possible to make clicking on a missing link create a new draft?

[Alex Hough]

Hi Jeremy,

I've had a crack at this the route I was exploring has come to a dead
end.

I started by putting code into fields then using a radio buttons to swap
between tm-edit and link (see attached)


Then I started to look for the place in the edit template where the links
are generated. I couldn't find this place!

In the tiddler generating the preview,
$:/core/ui/EditTemplate/body/preview/output
doesn't contain any link widget. Instead it uses a trasncluded variable and
I can't find that anywhere else than in the
$:/core/ui/EditTemplate/body/preview/output tiddler...




<$set name="tv-tiddler-preview" value="yes">

<$transclude />




I've created a pull request [1], my first!

The overall aim is to have a simple radio button when makes all wikilinks
open in edit mode.

I managed to do this a while ago with the Open tab in the sidebar [2] and I
expected the preview pane to work in a similar way.

Solving this seems quite complex even more so than I though after some
additional learning


Alex

[1] https://github.com/Jermolene/TiddlyWiki5/issues/3119
[2] https://alexhough.github.io/Click-Open-to-Edit.html

On 12 May 2016 at 17:59, Jeremy Ruston <jeremy.rus...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi Alex
>
> It’s a good idea, but I’m afraid I don’t have time to work on it now.
> Perhaps create a GitHub ticket to keep track of the idea?
>
> Many thanks,
>
> Jeremy
>
> On 9 May 2016, at 13:51, Alex Hough <r.a.ho...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Hello TW,
>
> I am finding myself working in edit mode and clicking on links on the
> preview pane. I am inspired by the discussion of live coding in Hangout 100
>
> it would be quicker for me if clicking on a missing tiddler crated a new
> draft with the title of that tiddler
>
>
> or put another way, a missing link is parsed as a button which when
> pressed creates a new tiddler with the title of the link.
>
> * it would be nice if the curser ended up in the body rather than in the
> title.
>
>
> This idea kind of breaks through a convention. WikiText could create a
> button
>
> *Edit Mode?*
>
> There could be an edit mode where a link clicked on in preview always
> opens a draft
>
> With tiddlers opening above the present, a pleasing zig zag workflow could
> develop, see below
>
> 
>
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Re: [tw] Re: [TW5] Documentation Proposal (Improved Examples)

[Alex Hough]

Hi,

a suggestion made elsewhere on this group (by me)

Build on top of the latest pre-release. Document your play. Then when the
pre-release is released collect the play and documentation into an
accompanying TiddlyZine.



best

Alex

On 10 December 2017 at 01:42, TonyM  wrote:

> Thanks for your contribution Josiah,
>
> On your response to item 1 I agree in principal but if no one starts to
> act and say 5 of us worked together in a side Forum posting end product
> here I see no problem there.
>
> On 2 we can start work on side doco now and petition to have it referenced
> from tiddlywiki.com
>
> On 3 I read almost anything here in last 3 months and more as a results of
> specific searches and I am building my own reference materials and often
> link to relavent discussions. I harvest info from the forum and will use
> this info for any doco I contribute to, however the more I learn the easier
> it is to curate and I often see short cuts to learning tiddlywiki.
>
> Also
>
> In addition to specific details we need peer reviewed conceptual outlines.
> What follows is part of draft work in progress to illustrate my point.
>
> If you stop to think about it, in tiddlywiki, everthing references almost
> everything and any change is reflected almost everywhere and
> instantaniously. These updates occur with any change at all, at least
> anything you can see, any new item you look at will update when you open
> it. keep in mind a simple click can be enough to make a change stored
> behind the sceens.
>
> since tiddlywiki is always upto date, you could say it does everthing just
> in time (for you to look at it). its just in time for every relavant
> context as well. until everything is rendered for you to see it, you can
> not do anything. this is why sometimes you just have to wait. its the price
> we pay for everything to be up todate. this just in time method in someways
> prohibits batch processes, you could say its not procedural but contextual
> and just in time.
>
> With few exceptions if any. all changes come from the user, and when they
> do everything that must be changed is and rendered in the new context. this
> seems to be the essence of event driven processes that keep all objects and
> their attributes upto date just in time.
>
> Of course there are differences when you actualy change something vs just
> changing your view or context.
>
> The above account in someways explains why i did not initialy understand
> why you need buttons and similar to trigger any action because tiddlywiki
> waits until you change something including pressing a button before it
> acts, reevaluates the context, updates everythin it must and renders it
> just in time.
>
> this model will not nessasarily be a supprise to anyone who is a
> webdevloper, object and event driven coder, and strangly anyone who coded
> online transaction based mainframes. it can however take someone with
> advanced proceedural languages and batch programming time to grasp,
>
> this structure also sheds light on tiddlywiki not responding naturaly to
> multi user updates, though fine with multiuser read only.
>
> End of example conceptual outline.
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Re: [tw] Re: muuri.js library useful? any Ideas how to use this?

[Alex Hough]

Wow!

Kudos indeed!

Both these are really inspiring!

Alex

On 9 December 2017 at 15:42, BurningTreeC 
wrote:

> kudos to https://ustuehler.github.io/tw5-material who has already made a
> muuri plugin
>
> http://muritest.tiddlyspot.com/
> 
>  is
> updated to use this plugin with hammer.js
>
> you can try to drag items around. navigating with the "Open" sidebar tab
> works, too.
>
> with a touchscreen you can drag multiple items at once.
>
> edit mode needs some ideas because it can throw errors while editing and
> klicking / dragging inside editor... maybe a separate container where
> tiddlers are put for editing...
>
> any ideas welcome!
>
> Am Dienstag, 5. Dezember 2017 14:31:55 UTC+1 schrieb BurningTreeC:
>>
>> I was playing around with this library
>>
>> https://github.com/haltu/muuri
>>
>> ... got a grid working inside tw:  http://muritest.tiddlyspot.com/
>> 
>>  *   - But honestly, I don't know what I'm doing*
>>
>>
>> I think I did a great mess initializing this, I'm a noob in javascript
>> and tw widgets ...
>>
>>
>>
>> Do you have any Ideas how to use this in a sane way?
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Re: [tw] muuri.js library useful? any Ideas how to use this?

[Alex Hough]

Wouldn't it be wonderful if you could drag boxes into boxes and zoom in

Alex

On Saturday, 9 December 2017, BurningTreeC 
wrote:

> UPDATE: touch is working like a charm on Linux -  firefox developer edition
>
> I'm going to update muritest.tiddyspot.com soon with more functionality
>
> Am Dienstag, 5. Dezember 2017 14:31:55 UTC+1 schrieb BurningTreeC:
>>
>> I was playing around with this library
>>
>> https://github.com/haltu/muuri
>>
>> ... got a grid working inside tw:  http://muritest.tiddlyspot.com/ *   -
>> But honestly, I don't know what I'm doing*
>>
>>
>> I think I did a great mess initializing this, I'm a noob in javascript
>> and tw widgets ...
>>
>>
>>
>> Do you have any Ideas how to use this in a sane way?
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Re: [tw] Re: Comma-separated lists in TW5

[Alex Hough]

Hi Jed,

the use case from which this emerged was cut and pasting a comma separated
list from a PDF then wanting to create tiddlers for each in the list. Part
of a process of convering a PDF into an extensible document and
orgnaisational model.

I cut and paste the text into one side of the edit template, then use the
right hand side to crreate tiddlers.

I thought of an input resempling something like this

<<.macroName "music, food, art, gardening, performance" >>

It could be used to turn a sentence from a static text into an interface
for creating a model.

The marco could create tag pills, there could be a new here button at the
top.

The process would be taking annotation of a text one step further: the
annotation adds the capacity to build on lists within the existing text.

Alex

On 29 November 2017 at 12:45, Jed Carty  wrote:

> The first response is: Do you have to use comma separated lists for the
> input instead of using the native tiddlywiki list format? Because if you
> use the native format than you can just use normal filter operators.
>
> The actual answer to your question is to put this in a tiddler with the
> tag $:/tags/Macro then you can use the macro SplitCommaList:
>
> \define InnerSplitCommaList()
> <$list filter="""[splitbefore[,]removesuffix[,]]"""
> variable=CurrentItem emptyMessage="""<$link to=<>><<
> currentList>>""">
> <$link to=<>><>
> <$set name=CurrentList 
> filter='[removeprefixremoveprefix[,]]'
> emptyValue=<>>
> <>
> 
> 
> \end
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> \define SplitCommaList(list)
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> <>
> 
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>
> Using a text reference:
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>
> <>
>
> the second set widget adds a comma to the end of the list because checking
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Re: [tw] Re: Comma-separated lists in TW5

[Alex Hough]

a related question...

I have a comma separated list, how could I make the phrases be converted to
wikilinks?

I was thinking of a macro which would take the list and output the links



Alex

On 28 November 2017 at 19:54, Rob Hoelz  wrote:

> Ah, good trick - thanks!
>
> On Tuesday, November 28, 2017 at 12:41:51 PM UTC-6, Jed Carty wrote:
>>
>> If you are using a list widget than you just go like this:
>>
>> <$list filter=<>>
>> <>,
>> 
>>
>> to prevent a trailing comma on the last item you can do this:
>>
>> <$list filter='[tag[HelloThere]]+[butlast[]]'>
>> <>,
>> 
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Re: [tw] Re: a useful plugin

[Alex Hough]

you couild clone the open sidebar, then replace tm-open tiddler with
tm-edit-tiddler
then have separate sidebar which opens in edit mode

rough and ready

Alex

On 29 November 2017 at 07:59, Sander Datema  wrote:

> Not exactly that, but this plugin allows you to double click a tiddler and
> edit it: https://danielorodriguez.com/TW5-2click2edit/
>
> Op dinsdag 28 november 2017 16:14:18 UTC+1 schreef tobaisch:
>>
>> Is there a plugin for following idea?
>> Double click at a tiddler in the sidebar opens the tiddler in edith mode.
>> Maybe ctrl+click would be also a good variant?
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Re: [tw] Re: Any Demand for Sheepy Markup?

[Alex Hough]

Hi Ste and Josiah,

I used macros


\define .sheepy(_) {{SheepIcon}} $_$

```
<<.sheepy "Bååå!">>
```
<<.sheepy "Bååå!">>
```
[image: Inline images 1]

To animate I things I started thinking about classes to add to tiddlers by
applying customs styles using tags


I was thinking how animations are added to font awesome, look under
animations 

Buttons could be used to add and take away classes on tiddlers, these could
be animation or transition styles


Alex

ps Ste, as a Stockport man you might be familar with Teggs Nose... it's
were the sheep in sheepy wiki looks over the Cheshire Plain

[1]
https://alexhough.github.io/SheepyWiki6.html#SheepyMacro:SheepyMacro%20%5B%5BAbout%20this%5D%5D%20%5B%5BSomewhere%20overlooking%20the%20Cheshire%20plain...%5D%5D%20%5B%5BSmall%20is%20Beautiful%5D%5D%20%5B%5BThe%20Sun%20appears%20over%20the%20river%20Dee...%5D%5D

[2]
https://alexhough.github.io/SheepyWiki7.html#How%20to%20apply%20custom%20styles%20by%20tag

[3] http://fontawesome.io/examples/

On 22 November 2017 at 20:00, @TiddlyTweeter 
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> Well, Ste, I might develop a Bleta.
>
> Ste Wilson wrote:
>>
>> Doesn't sound like a baaad idea. What are ewe thinking? Remember it can't
>> be too woolly.
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Re: [tw] Re: link in a documentation macro doesn't show up as a reference

[Alex Hough]

Josiah,

I am creating a thread on Twitter [1].
I'd like to "weave" a TiddlyZine into this thread.

I think a twitter thread is an interesting form. Small chunks of
information linked together.
A TiddlyZine can cut and paste from Twitter and then be inserted back into
the narrative.

Alex

[1] https://twitter.com/100CreweRoad/status/932523076264316928



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>
> Dimmi (tell me) what I need to do.
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Re: [tw] Re: link in a documentation macro doesn't show up as a reference

[Alex Hough]

Josiah,

Lets use this thread on Google groups as a link into the fanzine idea.

I am thinking about reuse... "reuse and combine" as a process... and
process orientation in general

I think it would be nice to create something which a truely dedicated
reader could trace back, the creative process would be easy enough to find.
The reader  can work backwards from something simple and immediate (like a
fanzine) and then -- if they wish -- add their own collaborations at any
point in the history of the text.

Lets frame it as art and hypertext

Alex

On 5 November 2017 at 17:16, Alex Hough <r.a.ho...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi Birthe,
>
> You or anyone else are /is welcome to clone SheepyWiki.
> The ideas is to develop a clone-centric TW and a clone centric way of
> learning / developing thinking.
>
> here is a new version: https://alexhough.github.io/SheepyWiki7.html#
> SheepyWiki%20macros
>
>
> Alex
>
> On 3 November 2017 at 00:19, @TiddlyTweeter <tiddlytwee...@assays.tv>
> wrote:
>
>> Ciao *B*irthe
>>
>> No. This is Alex's work, not mine.
>>
>> I think his sheep theme is a really good one & want to support it. This
>> post is for that.
>>
>> Josiah
>>
>> Birthe C wrote:
>>>
>>> Interesting. You are clearly inspired and I enjoy reading it. You should
>>> consider a sheepywiki clone.
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Re: [tw] Would this group be better on WhatsApp?

[Alex Hough]

Josiah,

How about building on top of SheepyWiki [1] and TweetWeaver [2]

TiddlyTweeter can have a column, expanding on his /her Tweets

In SheepyWiki I have built on a pre-release and expanded it prioritising
cloning as main way. There are various versions SheepyWiki1, SheepyWiki2
... get the picture. Each is built on the top of the previous, all junk is
included, minimal deletions. A bricolage.

I choose Dolly the sheep as an icon to make connections to represent
"wandering",  "sheep paths" and "dolly the cloned sheep"

How about this for a suitabley messy process: just start writing on top of
the online version, create your content, link it in then publish it to
github pages. Contributors can write on top of that, or drag and drop
tiddlers onto their own.

To be a zine process, it needs to demonstrate speed and DIY ingenuity above
all. Punk non prog

I guess it has to TiddlyZine. Or maybe TiddlySkunkWorks -- a fanzine for
version XXX pre-release

evoking a skunkworks would highlight the fast and cutting edge aspects of
the TW project

Alex




Alex

[1] https://alexhough.github.io/SheepyWiki7.html
[2] https://alexhough.github.io/TweetWeaver.html

On 21 November 2017 at 11:28, @TiddlyTweeter 
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> I think the idea of a TIMED FANZINE is really excellent.
>
> If you go ahead you can delegate me a topic.
>
> J, x
>
> AlexHough wrote:
>>
>>  In the past I have tried to write a fanzine to accompany a new version.
>> The idea is simple
>> wrtite the fanzine on a prerelease. report on  google groups activity,
>> twitter activity. Each zine is an edition relating the the version was in
>> pre-release. Once released, a new issue of the zine would be started.
>>
>> I am willing to give it a shot of there are any other takers.
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Re: [tw] Would this group be better on WhatsApp?

[Alex Hough]

 In the past I have tried to write a fanzine to accompany a new version.
The idea is simple


wrtite the fanzine on a prerelease. report on  google groups activity,
twitter activity. Each zine is an edition relating the the version was in
pre-release. Once released, a new issue of the zine would be started.

I am willing to give it a shot of there are any other takers.

Alex

On 20 November 2017 at 16:49, @TiddlyTweeter 
wrote:

> Ciao Ste
>
> I looked at IFTTT. No interface with Google Groups that I can find.
>
> In any case you'd have a problem with the volume. What one needs is a
> heavily filtered version that concentrates on major, working innovations
> and stuff that adds to documentation. Most of the stuff written here is
> ephemeral steps ... important at the time of creation, but of no long
> lasting value.
>
> Lacking moderated tagging/classification on initial creation of posts on
> GG I think the human eye will be needed to make judegments. So its
> selective recycling needed, I think. I mean, a lot of my own posts I
> seriously wouldn't want to read as history :-). Riz, within limits of time,
> has done pretty well as a largely one man band on Reddit teasing out quite
> a lot of the good things but it is obviously not enough.
>
> Best wishes
> Josiah
>
> Ste Wilson wrote:
>>
>> I keep meaning to look but is there an IFTTT type solution to auto
>> populate Reddit or something every time there is a post here...
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Re: [tw] Would this group be better on WhatsApp?

[Alex Hough]

perhaps the solution is in the "people space" about helping the
community develop its shared set of skills with a set of community led
purposes in mind.

I am a great believer in facilitation, i think it needs to come from outside


Alex

On 20 November 2017 at 13:33, @TiddlyTweeter 
wrote:

> Cari tutti, & yeah Alex & Birthe.
>
> I am sure you are right that the serendipitous freedom in GG, combined
> with the nice people here, is a major factor in inertia to keep it. And a
> good one.
>
> AlexHough wrote:
>
>> I think we need to be careful about making changes, the unintended
>> consequence of using google groups is that we get interactions which a more
>> streamlined system would design out.
>
>
> Birthe C wrote:
>
>> Exactly!
>>
>
> On the OTHER hand here is a *swamp of Lost History*. I'm forever trying
> to find things to reference in order to reply to people ... often I give up
> and don't reply. I CAN'T FIND STUFF that's anything more than a few days
> old.
>
> Replies like "Mat did that about three months ago" without a link are
> about as useful as a head without the chicken. You got nothing to cook. If
> that is tough for me its a total turn-off for a newbie.
>
> IF there were a PARALLEL GG that a full-time archivist were
> tagging/logging it would really help. What Riz has done on Reddit is
> part-way there, but too much for one person to pull off fully.
>
> I did think in a mad way that a Twitter feed might be able to do the
> MINIMAL missing piece sustainably. Its still in my mind.
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Re: [tw] Working with large, frequently edited texts

[Alex Hough]

This might be something that works for you. I made it quickly as a way to
add and delete tags.
You can remove and add tags.

I add tags then filter them. you could add a tag to the ones you want to
keep then export them to a new copy of TW





[image: Inline images 1]

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>
> As I mentioned in an earlier posting, I’m using TiddlyWiki for a series of
> novels and companion wiki.  I managed to work out most of the issues with
> TextSlicer, but ran into a few issues when cleaning up after the slicing.  I
> discovered that, if a sliced document is edited, it doesn’t automatically
> update the original tiddlers, which means I either need to edit them
> individually or re-slice the text.  I'm worried about the eventual file
> bloat (and possible tiddler chaos) that would occur from re-slicing over
> and over without removing the previous sliced tiddlers.
>
>- Any way to mass delete a bunch of tiddlers at once? (Removing old
>narrative tiddlers one-by-one was time consuming and tedious)
>
>
>
>- According to Text Slicer instructions, the tiddlers generated by the
>slicing have automatically created titles that can be changed manually.
>Hundreds of tiddlers were created from the first six chapters alone - there
>are a couple hundred chapters left to do...do I have to rename and
>individually tag *every single tiddler* or is there a way to mass tag
>a lot of tiddlers at once (i.e. mass tag all "heading 2" tiddlers as
>"scene")?
>
>
>
> At this point, I’m thinking perhaps TextSlicer is better for text that
> does not undergo much editing (unlike my novels)? Would it be more
> efficient to manually create “scene” tiddlers and work with much smaller
> chunks of text rather than importing entire books?
>
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Re: [tw] Would this group be better on WhatsApp?

[Alex Hough]

Do we need a TiddlySkunkWorks

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Skunkworks_project



On 20 November 2017 at 08:13, Alex Hough <r.a.ho...@gmail.com> wrote:

> I think we need to be careful about making changes, the unintended
> consequence of using google groups is that we get interactions which a more
> streamlined system would design out.
>
> We may find that the social flavour might change.
>
> Alex
>
>
> On Thursday, 16 November 2017, Lost Admin <thelostad...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> In my humble opinion, to get what TT wants, what this group needs is
>> proper forums instead of Google's attempt to replace nntp. We also probably
>> need a wiki that can be edited by mutliple people.
>>
>> Forums would allow categorization of discussions easier.
>>
>> A wiki with multiple editors would allow different people to manage
>> different aspects of documentation such as end-user guides, developer
>> guides, dedicated guides to each of the 20 or so savers, etc.
>>
>> But to do the above would require funding for hosting.
>>
>> On Thursday, November 16, 2017 at 9:25:09 AM UTC-5, @TiddlyTweeter wrote:
>>>
>>> Ciao Jeremy
>>>
>>> Thanks for the reply.
>>>
>>> I was being more prodding than helpful.
>>>
>>> FRANKLY, though *GG is looking worse and worse over time*.
>>>
>>> Our major problem is it CANNOT cope with the sheer complexity of TW as
>>> it evolves.
>>>
>>> Right now is a very good phase in TW's history to know that, to see that
>>> clearly.
>>>
>>> I think our GG approach is seriously BLUNTING (a) its use; (b)
>>> understanding of it.
>>>
>>> The Sixteen Plus ways of saving TW -- well you are NOT gonna be able to
>>> find all those on Google. Yeah TW .com gives access but TO a disorganised
>>> mess.
>>>
>>> Can't we do better?
>>>
>>> Best wishes
>>> Josiah
>>>
>>> Jeremy Ruston wrote:
>>>>
>>>> WhatsApp is good for chat but it’s ephemeral: it doesn’t off permalinks
>>>> or searchability. It might have a role alongside this group, but as a
>>>> replacement I think it's a non-starter.
>>>>
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Re: [tw] Would this group be better on WhatsApp?

[Alex Hough]

I think we need to be careful about making changes, the unintended
consequence of using google groups is that we get interactions which a more
streamlined system would design out.

We may find that the social flavour might change.

Alex

On Thursday, 16 November 2017, Lost Admin  wrote:

> In my humble opinion, to get what TT wants, what this group needs is
> proper forums instead of Google's attempt to replace nntp. We also probably
> need a wiki that can be edited by mutliple people.
>
> Forums would allow categorization of discussions easier.
>
> A wiki with multiple editors would allow different people to manage
> different aspects of documentation such as end-user guides, developer
> guides, dedicated guides to each of the 20 or so savers, etc.
>
> But to do the above would require funding for hosting.
>
> On Thursday, November 16, 2017 at 9:25:09 AM UTC-5, @TiddlyTweeter wrote:
>>
>> Ciao Jeremy
>>
>> Thanks for the reply.
>>
>> I was being more prodding than helpful.
>>
>> FRANKLY, though *GG is looking worse and worse over time*.
>>
>> Our major problem is it CANNOT cope with the sheer complexity of TW as it
>> evolves.
>>
>> Right now is a very good phase in TW's history to know that, to see that
>> clearly.
>>
>> I think our GG approach is seriously BLUNTING (a) its use; (b)
>> understanding of it.
>>
>> The Sixteen Plus ways of saving TW -- well you are NOT gonna be able to
>> find all those on Google. Yeah TW .com gives access but TO a disorganised
>> mess.
>>
>> Can't we do better?
>>
>> Best wishes
>> Josiah
>>
>> Jeremy Ruston wrote:
>>>
>>> WhatsApp is good for chat but it’s ephemeral: it doesn’t off permalinks
>>> or searchability. It might have a role alongside this group, but as a
>>> replacement I think it's a non-starter.
>>>
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Re: [tw] The Art Of Dolly, The TW Canvas, And Her CSS

[Alex Hough]

Thanks Josiah,

I was thinking about a sculpture at Yorkshire sculpture park by Julian Opie
of a horse running

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I0le-E2wZ-c

Opie had the idea from seeing a small LED toy in a taxi

Alex

On 12 November 2017 at 16:47, @TiddlyTweeter <tiddlytwee...@assays.tv>
wrote:

> Alex Hough, via Twitter, announced a very impressive TW "Postcard" ...
> https://alexhough.github.io/post-card-teggs-nose-joy-division.html
>
> I was very struck by how very good it is as an ART achievement.
>
> Restricting the "canvas" to just showing a "postcard" is also an excellent
> example use of TW static render.
>
> _ART & CANVAS_
>
> One of the central issues in visual art-making is "what is the canvas?"
> Another way of saying "what are the constraints?" Its pretty important. Art
> never really emerges without a "fitting" of some kind or another into
> something that is usually, at the end, highly constrained.
>
> Often its thought that good art comes from open-ended enquiry. That is
> true only to an extent. The stubborn nature of matter matters too. Tight
> constraint hones forming. Get the relevant constraints clearer and you are
> halfway there.
>
> Traditionally in painting you'd need master both the handling of brush and
> paint and paper/canvas AND the conception of the "WORK" -- often a series
> of paintings: a directed landing of brush on surfaces with boundaries.
>
> Part of the issue on the web is HOW to get to the point of enough mastery
> of its "brushes" (codings) to find free expressive flow to achieve similar.
>
> TiddlyWiki is interesting to re-think as a visual art-environment. Its
> "paint-brush rich" in that there are several types of "coding brush"
> immediately accessible.
>
> I thought what Alex did very suggestive of how artists might use TW better
> to more fruitfully explore their liminals.
>
> _"POSTCARD" CONSTRAINT _
>
> Very interesting is the obvious sense of "freedom" in Alex's image whilst
> its simultaneously bounded in a very tight minimalist framing. That is
> unusual. Usually you'd see such a blob  as an "orphan page". Not this. Its
> already complete. In that sense it IS somewhat like a physical painting in
> the way one receives it. A repletion of meaning.
>
> It illustrates that presentation and content are strongly inter-related.
> In this case the minimalism is well suited to bring fore the uumph.
>
> _MY INTEREST_
>
> I'm very interested in all this. I strongly believe that some art-centric
> work can really help TW visualise what it can do. The thing about artists
> is, in the end, they are mostly concerned with expression of content.
> Coders tend to see code itself as their "art-form" and discussion tends to
> focus on that as the "content". Visual artists tend to see technique/coding
> as a means to an expressive end ... i.e. just process steps that sub-serve.
> Of course its not so simply divided like that. But there is some truth in
> it and appreciation of ends is good too--especially when they excite you.
>
> Just thoughts
> Best wishes
> Josiah
>
>
>
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[tw] TiddlyMap: changing color of tag pills -- Felix?

[Alex Hough]

Hi,

If you goto TiddlyMap and change the colour of a tag here --
http://tiddlymap.org/#%24%3A%2FTagManager -- it doesn't work.

Maybe there is confusion between the colour of nodes and the colour of tags
behind the scenese.

Is there a way to set tag colours in both the map and the tiddler so that
they are the same?

best wishes

Alex

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[tw] Open above or below currentTiddler depending on tag in a tag hierarchy

[Alex Hough]

HelloThere!

Open above or below currentTiddler depending on tag in a tag hierarchy
​
Look at https://tiddlywiki.com/#Transclusion%20with%20Templates

IF
 clicking on the link  Transclusion Basic Usage

opened that tiddler above the currentTiddler

THEN

the story emerging would be created in line with the underlying logical
structure of the TW.

BENEFIT TO READER

The reader is creating her own story by navigating though a hypertext. Each
tiddler is read as it is opened, there is the option of reading the story
as it is created. The tiddlers in the story can be re-ordered by dragging
and dropping in the Open tab.

It might benefit the readers understanding of the unfolding of the story
had a visual meaning based on the metaphor "above is more general" or
"drilling down is more specific".


SIMPLE SOLUTION?

Is there one?


Alex

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Re: [tw] Re: link in a documentation macro doesn't show up as a reference

[Alex Hough]

Hi Birthe,

You or anyone else are /is welcome to clone SheepyWiki.
The ideas is to develop a clone-centric TW and a clone centric way of
learning / developing thinking.

here is a new version:
https://alexhough.github.io/SheepyWiki7.html#SheepyWiki%20macros


Alex

On 3 November 2017 at 00:19, @TiddlyTweeter  wrote:

> Ciao *B*irthe
>
> No. This is Alex's work, not mine.
>
> I think his sheep theme is a really good one & want to support it. This
> post is for that.
>
> Josiah
>
> Birthe C wrote:
>>
>> Interesting. You are clearly inspired and I enjoy reading it. You should
>> consider a sheepywiki clone.
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Re: [tw] Re: link in a documentation macro doesn't show up as a reference

[Alex Hough]

Hi Thomas,

thanks for the response. Could I include it in the next edition of
SheepyWiki? It may evolve into a kind of Fanzine -
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fanzine

Yes.. "butchering" ... i did dwell over the choice of that word!  The
intention was to get into the character of the sheep. By making her aware
of the world of butchery hoped to bring an existential aspect to her
personality. I thought that she would see cutting things up primarily in
terms of butchery and slaughter. Her existence is --after all -- is to
produce lamb for the table.

There is a get out! Its all in the context: The sheep is an electric cloned
sheep, and the text is part of her dream! ha ha!

There's also a growing critique of the role of sheep in the landscape, the
term SheepWreck is use by environmentalist George Monbiot: --
http://www.monbiot.com/2013/05/30/sheepwrecked/ . Is it worth the sheep
existing at all?

Granting the "sheep avatar" a level of consciousness allows the writer to
enter certain discourses in a playful manner.

BTW if anyone wants to use the character to write a sketch for SheepyWiki
we (me and the sheep!) would be over the moon!

I have been thinking that a form, a kind of animated post card.
Simultaneously nostalgic and futuristic.  Marshall McLuhan had a theory --
i think! -- where a new medium such as TV was understood as a development
from an older medium like film.

In TiddlyWiki we have a media which we understand as a development of the
wiki, a small wiki. We have "Tiddlers" and then we have our own
technical language -- a meta language -- to talk about TiddlyWiki itself. I
think that the words TiddlyWiki and Tiddler are a great part off the
design. It makes it easy to separate the content of the text from the
technicalities associated with the presentation of the text. " is better to
be confusingly distinctive than confusingly generic"

A tiddler is also analogous to a index card. It could quite easily be a
post card, evoking a type of text and sentiments associated with sending
post-cards: a message from a far away place, a place with an appearance
worth sharing. The poster of the card wants to share a view and a message
from that place.

I was thinking about those type of animate picture you sometimes see in
Indian restaurants. There is one in my local Turkish supermarket. There is
a picture, a kind of light box. Its back lit and there is some kind of
mechanism which makes the water look like it is moving. I haven't a clue
what they are called!

Actually... the more I think about it, the tiddler as post-card metaphor
might be better developed as a "child" of those "3D" view finders you can
buy in places like the Alps (or could do in the 1970s) -- like this thingy
--- https://www.image3d.com/retroviewer/home/

The microfiche viewer is another  old technology visual metaphor I like. It
has the back-lit property which the index card doesn't have.

There's something about surface patina I like. When you use a microfiche
machine, you get a layer which doesn't move when you scroll. And they have
a manual highlighting mechanims, it adds another layer. Its basicaly dust
on lenses and lights, but it adds to the feel of the technology.

In the TiddlyWiki community, we sometimes visit the discourse around
adoption and how the process is hindered by the word Tiddler. I made a
comment about how perhaps non-native English language users warm more to
TiddlyWiki because the word does not sound as childish or toylike.

Josiah has made some interesting comments on Twitter about TW as a
bricolage tool.  It we see it as a technology for DIY independent
creativity and adaption it becomes -- in my mind at least -- something a
KraftWork or Joy Division member would be using if they were starting out
today. Just as instruments like the Moog started to be used in ways the
creator didn't intend, so can TiddlyWiki. Its really a hypertext
synthesiser. HTML, JS and CSS are made easier and quicker to use by
non-specialists.


Thanks for  Mh! and «Mäh»! I like those little speach marks too  -- " « »
" -- I will have to find a robot mowing machine to accompay the sheep! --
http://www.husqvarna.com/uk/products/robotic-lawn-mowers/?gclid=Cj0KCQjw4eXPBRCtARIsADvOjY0BUh_MNU2xKtbx7t2w2qDWitGr3wvwNVBYesXn7CldvhDOecQJNAMaAov4EALw_wcB





Alex

On 31 October 2017 at 22:34, Thomas Elmiger 
wrote:

> Hi Alex,
> very nice indeed! Feel free to steel some German characters for your
> sheep: Mh!
>
> (By the way: «Mäh» sounds a bit like the word for mowing or it’s
> imperative mow!)
>
> Talking about sounds: Hearing a sheep talking about “butchering” sounds a
> bit macabre to my ears ;–)
>
> Now I will go and count sheep. Goodnight!
> Thomas
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