Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] New Squeezebox Touch owner. Disappointed with sound quality.

2012-10-17 Thread Mnyb
pippin wrote: You need a similar level of processing power. It would always transcode and perform a DSP like functionality Yes wonder how they do it in ASIC chips and similar ? They are fast ? Doing it in a higher level within the OS not so fast ? I mean the normal CPU in boom is not much

Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] New Squeezebox Touch owner. Disappointed with sound quality.

2012-10-17 Thread pippin
For dedicated purposes, ASICS. can be very fast, remember they have their software turned into hardware. pippin's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=13777 View this thread:

Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] New Squeezebox Touch owner. Disappointed with sound quality.

2012-10-16 Thread Mnyb
pippin wrote: Equalization is usually supposed to be in the amplifier. In the digital domain, it causes to much losses. Not nowadays otherwise any studio would have problem, the software works in floating piont math. Inguz user do the not use convert conf to have everything processed at

Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] New Squeezebox Touch owner. Disappointed with sound quality.

2012-10-16 Thread toby10
Raffie wrote: . The key here is the equalizer feature which the Creative player has and SBT sadly lacks. I’m on the verge of returning my Touch. Obviously many Touch users, professional reviewers, consumer reviewers, etc... disagree with your conclusion about the Touch. It is quite

Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] New Squeezebox Touch owner. Disappointed with sound quality.

2012-10-16 Thread Mnyb
Yes natural sound is simply not in OP's taste . Mnyb's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4143 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96776

Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] New Squeezebox Touch owner. Disappointed with sound quality.

2012-10-16 Thread pippin
@Mnyb The problem with Equalization is that you usually don't only want ton reduce the level of a certain range, you also want to be able to increase it (I think it's what the OP wants. Actuall I believe his _real_ problem is, as usual, different volume level because the mp3 player will do

Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] New Squeezebox Touch owner. Disappointed with sound quality.

2012-10-16 Thread Soulkeeper
SBGK wrote: as you can see nothing can be done to improve your situation, return the touch pronto. Your bitter sarcasm seems to indicate that you have realized that the appreciation of idiotic trolling on this forum only goes so far. So now I wonder why you're still here. What's in it for

Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] New Squeezebox Touch owner. Disappointed with sound quality.

2012-10-16 Thread Mnyb
pippin wrote: @Mnyb The problem with Equalization is that you usually don't only want ton reduce the level of a certain range, you also want to be able to increase it (I think it's what the OP wants. Actuall I believe his _real_ problem is, as usual, different volume level because the mp3

Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] New Squeezebox Touch owner. Disappointed with sound quality.

2012-10-16 Thread pippin
The Bits don't help. And I've NEVER seen an equalizer that lowers the overall volume to make space if you pull up the level of a band. pippin's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=13777 View this

Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] New Squeezebox Touch owner. Disappointed with sound quality.

2012-10-16 Thread pippin
Actually, thinking about it: that would be an awfully useful equalizer feature: to keep the average volume the same when pulling a level because it would help with the awful louder sounds better effect. pippin's Profile:

Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] New Squeezebox Touch owner. Disappointed with sound quality.

2012-10-16 Thread Mnyb
pippin wrote: The Bits don't help unless you LOWER the level. And I've NEVER seen an equalizer that lowers the overall volume to make space if you pull up the level of a band. You can't do in the digital domain in any other way it will clipp horribly otherwise ? Or apply more compression

Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] New Squeezebox Touch owner. Disappointed with sound quality.

2012-10-16 Thread Mnyb
How would a professional suite like protools work if digital eq and effects where not possible ? Mnyb's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4143 View this thread:

Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] New Squeezebox Touch owner. Disappointed with sound quality.

2012-10-16 Thread Grumpy Bob
I have a Touch that I have connected via analogue to my Naim Nait3 amplifier, and also via a CA DacMagic 100 to the same amplifier. I did some limited blind testing to a captive audience, and she preferred the output that came via the DAC. Not entirely sure that proves one is better than the

Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] New Squeezebox Touch owner. Disappointed with sound quality.

2012-10-16 Thread guidof
pippin wrote: The Bits don't help unless you LOWER the level. And I've NEVER seen an equalizer that lowers the overall volume to make space if you pull up the level of a band. Actually, I have such a device in my system (DSPeaker AntiMode Dual Core). Not that it needs to significantly lower

Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] New Squeezebox Touch owner. Disappointed with sound quality.

2012-10-16 Thread mlsstl
Raffie wrote: ...The key here is the equalizer feature which the Creative player has and SBT sadly lacks. Not sure why this thread is running on the way it is. The one sentence quoted above plainly explains why the original poster is unimpressed with the Touch. He prefers the enhanced

Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] New Squeezebox Touch owner. Disappointed with sound quality.

2012-10-16 Thread Mnyb
mlsstl wrote: Not sure why this thread is running on the way it is. The one sentence quoted above plainly explains why the original poster is unimpressed with the Touch. He prefers the enhanced frequency response one can get with an equalizer. +1 of course . But the wording

Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] New Squeezebox Touch owner. Disappointed with sound quality.

2012-10-16 Thread JJZolx
Mnyb wrote: But the wording disappointed with sound quality :-/ Lack of EQ is not the same as lack of sound quality ? they are separate things . Some people don't understand what they hear. They may -know- what they hear, and what they -like-, but not why.

Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] New Squeezebox Touch owner. Disappointed with sound quality.

2012-10-16 Thread mlsstl
Mnyb wrote: +1 of course . But the wording disappointed with sound quality :-/ Lack of EQ is not the same as lack of sound quality ? they are separate things I can't disagree with you from my perspective, but it is not uncommon for those on the outside of a hobby to use terminology

Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] New Squeezebox Touch owner. Disappointed with sound quality.

2012-10-16 Thread pippin
I'm not so sure. The OP realized that the Touch sounded the same as his, sorry for not reading it up, WD? device. Which is probably a correct observation. SQ is 90% speakers, 9% amplifier, 0.9% DAC, 0.1% everything else. So if your amp and speakers are the same, the DAC in the Touch would have

Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] New Squeezebox Touch owner. Disappointed with sound quality.

2012-10-16 Thread mlsstl
pippin wrote: I'm not so sure. The OP realized that the Touch sounded the same as his, sorry for not reading it up, WD? device. Which is probably a correct observation. SQ is 90% speakers, 9% amplifier, 0.9% DAC, 0.1% everything else. Once again, I don't disagree with your allocation of the

[SlimDevices: Touch] New Squeezebox Touch owner. Disappointed with sound quality.

2012-10-15 Thread Raffie
Hi there I bought a new SBT a few days ago. Like most people on this forum I wanted easy and convenient access to my music library. In this respect I got what I wanted. Streaming music from my NAS works great, Ipad and smartphone apps are joy to use. My second consideration when buying the SBT

Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] New Squeezebox Touch owner. Disappointed with sound quality.

2012-10-15 Thread aubuti
Welcome. One important question is whether or not you had volumes equalized when you did your comparison of WD TV vs. SBT vs. Creative MP3. Louder will almost always sound better. And from what I've seen a lot of very good EQ introduces an increase in total gain, so it's difficult to tell if the

Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] New Squeezebox Touch owner. Disappointed with sound quality.

2012-10-15 Thread pippin
Equalization is usually supposed to be in the amplifier. In the digital domain, it causes to much losses. pippin's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=13777 View this thread:

Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] New Squeezebox Touch owner. Disappointed with sound quality.

2012-10-15 Thread kidstypike
Use the Touch with the volume at 100%, ... any better? kidstypike's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10436 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96776

Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] New Squeezebox Touch owner. Disappointed with sound quality.

2012-10-15 Thread JohnB
3. Inguz works fine with LMS 7.7.2. Not tweaks where needed when I installed it. Just follow the instructions, exactly. The browser based Inguz interface works fine in IE but is broken in Firefox. JohnB's Profile:

Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] New Squeezebox Touch owner. Disappointed with sound quality.

2012-10-15 Thread azinck3
I'd discourage you from considering an external DAC. It's highly unlikely it'll make any audible difference at all and, even if it did, would be unlikely to resolve the problem you're complaining of. You want to be able to make the music punchier. Either work to get Inguz working on your Touch

Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] New Squeezebox Touch owner. Disappointed with sound quality.

2012-10-15 Thread guidof
As I'm sure you realize in reading these forums, sound quality is in the ears -- and brain -- of the listener. I'd be very skeptical about improvements you will experience by following others' advice, including my own. That said, and generally speaking, however, I think the quality of

Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] New Squeezebox Touch owner. Disappointed with sound quality.

2012-10-15 Thread JJZolx
If you're not an audiophile with experience discerning subtle differences in sound quality, you're not going to hear a difference. If you're diddling with EQ on some other player to shape the music to a profile that appeals to you, then I would expect that to sound better to you.

Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] New Squeezebox Touch owner. Disappointed with sound quality.

2012-10-15 Thread pippin
Generally, the difference will be smaller and smaller the better the equipment gets. If you see huge improvements in audio quality, it's usually due to distortion of some kind being added. I can't rephrase this often enough: in double-blind tests in tendency people prefer the sound of mp3 over

Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] New Squeezebox Touch owner. Disappointed with sound quality.

2012-10-15 Thread SBGK
pippin wrote: Generally, the difference will be smaller and smaller the better the equipment gets. If you see huge improvements in audio quality, it's usually due to distortion of some kind being added. I can't rephrase this often enough: in double-blind tests in tendency people prefer