Correct.
- Original Message -
From:
Kevin
Deegan
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: March 29, 2004 10:38
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Not Everyone who
says...
You are asking Blaine correct?Lance Muir [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
Obviously you're under no
Perhaps Bill you are just plain wrong. You also, are interfering here. You were not around when this "problem" occured how do you make a judgement then?
It seems to me that just maybe your bringing your own baggage to the table. Seems you don't like contention and provocation. We must do
Judy,
I cannot argue with what you can say...I only know the changes I
experienced that were at least partly due to reading Peck which put me into
a position to look outside myself. And here I am.
At the time I read his book, I did not consider him a Christian. Or even
a Buddhist, or
In a message dated 3/29/2004 6:10:19 AM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
It is grace verses works, whether Mormon, Baptist,
Catholic or whatever.
**Red flag; doctrine of men. Grace is no covering for sin and it is only accessed
by faith...(Romans 5:2) and faith is dead
In a message dated 3/29/2004 8:07:44 AM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
It seems to me that just maybe your bringing your own baggage to the table. Seems you don't like contention and provocation. We must do everything to avoid contention at all costs. Am I wrong?
And I am
Well stated, concise, and on the mark! Bravo,
Lance.
Bill Taylor
- Original Message -
From:
Lance
Muir
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, March 29, 2004 8:00
AM
Subject: [TruthTalk] Re:Inclusivity
I believe that all of humanity is included in the
He comes to it? Just like TT, just like your local
"garden variety" Baptist, Lutheran, Pentecostal, Charismatic etc. Church. SOME
IN THEM WILL be without spot or blemish (whatever that actually means). There is
no "grand transformation" about to take place (either to TT or to the Churches.
From: "Lance Muir" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
He comes to it? Just like TT, just like your local
"garden variety"
Baptist, Lutheran, Pentecostal, Charismatic etc.
Church. SOME
IN THEM WILL be without spot or blemish (whatever
that actually means).
There is no "grand transformation" about to take
Surely "spot or wrinkle" and being "without" may
only apply to ONE namely, Jesus. Lance
- Original Message -
From:
Lance
Muir
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: March 29, 2004 12:51
Subject: [TruthTalk] Re:What will the
Church Look Like When..
He comes to it?
Judy: "This is what my KJV says, Lance" Surely on
this occasion and numerous others you've come to see that the differences
manifested on TT HAVE NOT TO DO WITH WHAT IS SAID BUT OVER WHAT IS MEANT. I know
from others posts from you Judy, that you're aware of this distinction.
Lance
From:
From the first to the last word (in the Bible). The
Incarnation excludes nobody. Lance
- Original Message -
From:
Judy
Taylor
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: March 29, 2004 13:30
Subject: Fw: Re: [TruthTalk]
Inclusivity
Lance Muir I believe
that all of
From: "Lance Muir" [EMAIL PROTECTED]Surely
"spot or wrinkle" and being "without" may only apply to ONE namely, Jesus.
Lance
jt: When He returns for His Bride, the Church will look
like Him He left us an example that we should "follow in His Steps" (1 Peter
2:21)and He will return for a
In a message dated 3/29/2004 8:19:25 AM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Judy don't you get it they only want SMOOTH THINGS!
Cmon John, scarcely has time to think, and you are a genius?
You know something, Kevin, my words are very clear. I have emails in storage from judyt
Judy asks if this is my position or belief.: "We must do everything to avoid contention at all
costs. Am I wrong?"
Yes you are wrong. Sometimes contention finds us
and is thus unavoidable. Why go looking for it? On the other hand, Is this one
of those unavoidabletimes? Only if you are
From: "Lance Muir" [EMAIL PROTECTED]Judy: "This
is what my KJV says, Lance" Surely on this occasion
and numerous others you've come to see that the differences manifested
on TT HAVE NOT TO DO WITH WHAT IS SAID BUT OVER WHAT
IS MEANT. I know from others posts from you Judy, that you're
Persons loved and forgiven by God already included
in the Vicarious Humanity of Christ.
- Original Message -
From:
Judy
Taylor
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: March 29, 2004 13:50
Subject: [TruthTalk] Re:Further to
Myself
From: "Lance Muir" [EMAIL
From: "Lance Muir" [EMAIL PROTECTED]From the
first to the last word (in the Bible). The Incarnation excludes nobody.
Lance
jt: What about Rev 22:15?
Looks to me like it excludes "dogs (people outside the covenant)and
sorcerers, and whoremongers, and murderers, and idolaters,and whoever
In a message dated 3/29/2004 11:20:16 AM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Bill, if you want to discuss issues or ideas fine - but I will not get into strife and wrangling over emotional stuff with you on TT.
Judyt should be a writer for Saturday Night Live.
From: "Lance Muir" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
NOT NECESSARILY OURS. Of course there's a meaning.
If the Meaning of God's Word(s) were apprehended by all
True Believers then...see my earlier posts concerning Unity,
Division, Spot Blemish, and on and on..
jt: The Church Jesus comes for will be
I truly don't mean what you think I mean. Without
meaning there are only words (including God's Words). Even with God's Spirit we
all demonstrate a remarkable capacity to circumvent His Meaning. And, without
meaning there is no communication just an exchange of words. Honestly. Forget
Bill;
From: "Lance Muir" [EMAIL PROTECTED]I truly
don't mean what you think I mean. Without meaning there are only words
(including God's Words). Even with God's Spirit we all demonstrate a
remarkable capacity to circumvent His Meaning. And, without meaning there is
no
communication just an
It was a good suggestion. Are you just accumulating
mtl for a book? However as Iron sharpens Iron...the input of others to clarify a
matter is occasionally a worthwhile thing to do. You've missed my meaning OFTEN
for sure. I just don't want to believe that it's INTENTIONAL. Say it ain't so
KOLOB
Is this anywhere close to Compton?
Actually it is closer to Oliblish!
http://scriptures.lds.org/abr/fac_2
Kolob, signifying the first creation, nearest to the celestial, or the residence of God. First in government, the last pertaining to the measurement of time. The measurement according
Where is the even handedness in this?
Bill lectures you, without even a contextual knowledge of the "event". Without any questioning of Izzy. I think Bill has a bullseye on YOU Judy. You must have said something that hurt his feelings.Judy Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Bill,
I percieve that
The point is you take Judy to task. ON WHAT BASIS? Your own personal opinion?
What makes your opinion so important?[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
In a message dated 3/29/2004 8:19:25 AM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Judy don't you get it they only want SMOOTH THINGS! Cmon John,
Lance, I think
your point was missed. I think that is because jt missed the main point you were
making (you know, the one the rest of us got). Do you mind if I jump in now? I
am going to assume you don't mind and go ahead and get involved with this
one because I see the distinction as
LOL and this coming from the one that keeps jumping on Judy? What business is Judy/Izzy of yours? Are you a busy body?"Wm. Taylor" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Kevin, maybe sometimes its better to stay out of other people's business, especially if all you are doing in it is making matters worse.
Maybe they are Tares!Judy Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Right on.
You know Kevin I can understand receiving a lot of flackout on the street
preaching to unbelievers, in SLC,or in my case with my unbelieving family and
other unbelievers. WhatI findtragic on TT is that on a list like this
Seems they have the same thing the LDS have They do not want to hear it so they try to make you shut up. I think this happened in the bible a time or two. Judy Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Right on.
You know Kevin I can understand receiving a lot of flackout on the street
preaching to
Lance says ask
for a general response from all TTers (Now Bill, you stay out of this) on
this issue.
jt says
Why would I want to do that? Are the majority always
right?
Bill says I guess that means I can
jump back in. Judy, are the majority always wrong?
- Original Message
Correction is grievous unto him that forsaketh the way: and he that hateth reproof shall die.
For the commandment is a lamp; and the law is light; and reproofs of instruction are the way of life
What way are you on?
He is in the way of life that keepeth instruction: but he that refuseth reproof
You forgot to say "Mother may I"?"Wm. Taylor" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Lance says ask for a general response from all TTers (Now Bill, you stay out of this) on this issue.
jt says Why would I want to do that? Are the majority always right?
Bill says I guess that means I can jump back
WOW I did not know John was into the doctrine of separation.
Why is it that all these lets get together spread the love guys are always the first to get offended and separate?
Where is your Brotherly Love John?[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
In a message dated 3/28/2004 3:38:50 AM Pacific Standard
Again, Kevin, I am sorry. Again, Kevin, will you
forgive me?
bill taylor
- Original Message -
From:
Kevin
Deegan
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, March 29, 2004 3:46
PM
Subject: Re: Fw: Re: [TruthTalk] Personal
Attacks
Maybe it has something to do
jt says
Why would I want to do that? Are the majority always
right?
Bill says I guess that means I can
jump back in. Judy, are the majority always wrong?
Chris says Pretty much so,
yes.
Again, Kevin, my apologies. Again, Kevin, will you
forgive me?
bill taylor
- Original Message -
From:
Kevin
Deegan
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, March 29, 2004 3:52
PM
Subject: Re: Re: [TruthTalk] Personal
Attacks
"In the thread "Peck a Christian
PRE-TRIB RAPTURE TAUGHT IN 1742John L. Bray, a Southern Baptist Evangelist, has been publishing little booklets for years, in which he ridiculed the pre-tribulation rapture of the saints. He believes the saved will go through the tribulation period.For several years he has offered $500 for anyone
I have no malice toward you. Why are you so accusatory?
I just do not get it. You seem to dislike the same things you engage in.
"Wm. Taylor" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Again, Kevin, my apologies. Again, Kevin, will you forgive me?
bill taylor
- Original Message -
From: Kevin Deegan
I never took offense. No problem."Wm. Taylor" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Again, Kevin, I am sorry. Again, Kevin, will you forgive me?
bill taylor
- Original Message -
From: Kevin Deegan
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, March 29, 2004 3:46 PM
Subject: Re: Fw: Re: [TruthTalk]
Kevin, it's starting to sound like your issue is
with me. My issue with Judy did not involve what she had done in the past. My
issue had to do with what she was doing in the present. Do you still have
questions? If not, then, you've made your point. I've made mine. I forgive you.
Will you
Forgive you, for what wrong?"Wm. Taylor" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Kevin, it's starting to sound like your issue is with me. My issue with Judy did not involve what she had done in the past. My issue had to do with what she was doing in the present. Do you still have questions? If not, then,
Journal of Discourses 6:275 Adam and Eve ate gross matter (of this earth)
to produce mortal bodies for their spirit children.BY "After men have got their exaltations and their crowns-have become
Gods, even the song of God-are made Kings of kings and Lords of lords,
they have the power then of
Good day all,
Greetings to you all. I have been a lurker (one who follows a list but
never posts, not to be confused with a troll: one who posts only to stir up
trouble) on this list for a while now and am finally taking the plunge. I hope
to get to know some of you even better and that
I think the majority would agree with
you.
- Original Message -
From:
Chris Barr
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, March 29, 2004 4:55
PM
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Re:SNL
writer
jt says
Why would I want to do that? Are the majority always
right?
Yes, Kevin, I hate strife -- sometimes I am
commanded to get involved init. And when I am an error and I've
realized the error, I try to do whatever is necessary to repent, confess, right
the wrongs, ask forgiveness, and move on. That is what I have done. Should that
disqualify me from the
\o/ !HALALUYah! \o/
Greetings Jonathan in the Matchless NameofYahShua!!
WAS
Salvation by grace ONLY through faith (WORKS has nothing to do with
it)
NOW
Salvation by grace through faith with
works. Works are meaningless without grace and faith, though saving grace
and faith include
Kevin, if you will trace this thread back to my
initial apology and asking of forgiveness, you will see that I apologized for
misquoting Judy by using something you had posted, a fairly benign failure on my
part, but a failure nonetheless. I have made those sorts of mistakes before. I
may
In a message dated 3/29/2004 3:19:58 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Let God be true and EVERY Man a LIAR"
A great lead-in to group discussion.
In a message dated 3/29/2004 3:23:23 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
What makes your opinion so important?
It is the correct one.
John
In a message dated 3/29/2004 3:36:39 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
"saved by faith apart from being right"
Could I restate this as "you are saved by faith in spite of being wrong"?
Absolutely. Actually, a very good point.
John
In a message dated 3/29/2004 3:45:41 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Why would I want to do that? Are the majority always right?
Is the majority - not are the majority. Just trying to help.
John
MORMONS LEAVE BECAUSE OF DNA EVIDENCE
Calvary Contender, March 2004
Recent DNA evidence questioning the accuracy of Mormon history is providing an open door to evangelism of Mormons. The Book of Mormon describes how Israelites emigrated to the America 2600 years ago, with the now extinct
Thanks for the correction.
Bill Taylor
- Original Message -
From:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, March 29, 2004 6:33
PM
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Re:SNL
writer
In a
message dated 3/29/2004 3:45:41 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL
In a message dated 3/29/2004 3:55:38 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Where is your Brotherly Love John?
It is not a question of brotherly love. It is a question of time and time wasted. Judy consistently refused to consider the scriptures I gave, insisting that her's were
In a message dated 3/29/2004 4:35:45 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Good day all,
Welcome to the group or gang, depending on what is going on at the time. You email looks interesting. I will have to take some time to read it. But good to have in the group. A Christian?
So the guy goes into see the doc.
How can I help you, says the doc.
I just wanted to know the results of my test.
Well, says the doc looking at the file folder, it appears that i have some good news and some bad. Which do you want first?
In agony, the man finally says, OK, give me the
you've said more than any biblical
author, Iz--they never mention/ed capitalism, or anything like
it,let alone embrace it as you do
clearly, capitalism is not oriented to
the bible, e.g., it has nothing to do withits commandments or
theHS
capitalism isnotoriously
defiant--seldom
Jonathan Hughes wrote:
Good day all,
Greetings to you all. I have been a lurker
(one who follows a list but
never posts, not to be confused with a troll: one who posts only to
stir up
trouble) on this list for a while now and am finally taking the
plunge. I hope
to get to
An example of when I was wrong?
OnceI thot I wuz wrong, butI wuz mistaken.
Mission field?
I see the whole world as a mission field!
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
In a message dated 3/29/2004 3:55:38 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Where is your Brotherly Love John? It is not a
THE
ROBIN WILLIAMS PEACE PLANThis may
very well be the best thought out item we have read since
9/11/01.
Leave it
to Robin Williams to come up with the perfect plan ... what we need now is
for our UN Ambassador
I percieve that we understand this in two different senses.
I believe your statement is falacious.
You can not be saved in error.
2 thes 2;12 That they all might be damned who believed not the truth
2:13 salvation through sanctification of the Spirit and belief of the truth
1 Tim 2:4 Who will
We can not even agree on this![EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
In a message dated 3/29/2004 3:23:23 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
What makes your opinion so important? It is the correct one. John Do you Yahoo!?
Yahoo! Finance Tax Center - File online. File on time.
In a message dated 3/29/2004 6:37:37 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Once I thot I wuz wrong, but I wuz mistaken.
Mission field?
I see the whole world as a mission field!
I rest my case.
John
I think a bigger failure is your accusatory nature.
"Wm. Taylor" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Kevin, if you will trace this thread back to my initial apology and asking of forgiveness, you will see that I apologized for misquoting Judy by using something you had posted, a fairly benign failure on my
In the thread "Peck a Christian LOL" Wm. Taylor" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Good stuff, Perry. I'm sure the accuser/s will answer your questions.
Who is the accuser now?
I think you vacillate."Wm. Taylor" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Yes, Kevin, I hate strife -- sometimes I am commanded to get
Hey, Laura! I thought you dropped off the
ends of the earth; good to hear from you. Guess youve got your head down
while the bullets are flying?
Just one question: Is the inaccurate
Gook of Mormon actually Blaine?
Or is it Dave H??? J
Izzy
From:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
From: "Wm. Taylor" [EMAIL PROTECTED]Lance, I think
your point was missed. I think that is because jt missed the
main point you were making (you know, the one the rest of us got).
jt: Kevin did you get this point?
Do you mind if I jump in now? I am going to assume you don't mind and go
In a message dated 3/29/2004 6:03:11 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Has anyone on Truthtalk actually changed sides?
Good question. I personally have changed a great deal. Two things? As a result of some of the discussion on TT, I have amended my belief about the
In a message dated 3/29/2004 7:01:59 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
You can not be saved in error.
So you right about everthing you think? Not
John
In a message dated 3/29/2004 7:02:22 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
We can not even agree on this!
Well, we have finally reached agreement.
In a message dated 3/29/2004 7:29:18 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
You should spend more time meditating in God's Word Bill
What do you think exegesis is if it is not meditating on the Word.
Okay Judy. Thanks for hearing me out.
Bill Taylor
- Original Message -
From:
Judy
Taylor
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, March 29, 2004 8:27
PM
Subject: [TruthTalk] What is the Meaning
of God's Word(s)?
From: "Wm. Taylor" [EMAIL PROTECTED]Lance, I
Welcome Jonathan,
I am stunned that anyone would want to
join this waskally bunch of wabbits right now with all the brawling going
on. (You must be one brave man.) On the other hand, this is pretty
typical TruthTalk stuff, so you might as well get used to it. I only have
one question:
Laura, good to hear from you.
I recently posted a link to a website that runs a video of interviews with
scientists discussing the DNA evidence (or lack of it). Do you get that
link?
By the way, Freud would really appreciate the statement An inaccurate Gook
of Mormon in your post.
Perry
Wow, talk about a delayed reaction! I must
have really set you off with that one, g. Please tell me what (Marxist)
plan you have to replace Capitalism in America? EVERYONE on welfare? Or
just set up a Theocracy now, with Jesus still not returned yet??? (I guess that
would make you the
Actaully, Lets not forget -- as I have -- Terry's admonition about
laying off this stuff for a week. Terry, give us another point of
discussion. Sometime in the future, I would much edified if I knew
something you the individual ministries (lay or professional).
John
Ask and you
Brother Terry, you never cease to amaze me
with your (admittedly redneck) wisdom! Preach on.Izzy
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Terry Clifton
Sent: Monday, March 29, 2004 9:47
PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Walking
after the
ShieldsFamily wrote:
Today I
realize that, compared to my
know-it-all days, I dont know nuthin bout nuthin,
except one thing only: Christ and Him crucified.
Izzy, when I open one of your posts, the letters that you typed do not show
up until either I highlight the text (which I usually cannot see to
highlight them), or I scroll past your message and scroll back. Have you
recently changed font color or email program? Does anyone else have this
Perry, We just changed something back--did that fix it? Izzy
-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Charles Perry Locke
Sent: Monday, March 29, 2004 10:00 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Walking after the Spirit
Izzy, when I
Yes, they came through clearly. I will have to check it in some of your
other replies since I do not use colors, etc, but some of the other posters
do. I'll let you know if I have any more problems.
thanks,
Perry
From: ShieldsFamily [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL
In a message dated 3/29/2004 7:47:56 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Will everyone on this list who is doing that please show it by raising your hand.
Terry
Well, brother Terry, this is a disappointing point of discussion. I am not sure if you have failed or I. I can't
In a message dated 3/29/2004 8:00:38 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Perry
Her print is no problem here.
John
In a message dated 3/29/2004 8:04:58 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
But, we all love each other because we are family!
hope so.
John
In a message dated 3/29/2004 6:08:39 AM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
"Repenting of Religion: Turning from Judgment to the Love of God" Gregory A Boyd July 2004 Might be helpful?
Lance -- what is this reference? I am cleaning up my mail box and I have no idea.
John
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