RE: [TruthTalk] Perverting the words of the living God

2004-04-01 Thread ShieldsFamily
Oh, isnt that true about the mainstream mediaLOL. Izzy You guys should be journalists for CNN; youcan make anything sound seedy. Bill

RE: [TruthTalk] false notions

2004-04-01 Thread ShieldsFamily
Omigosh, this must be trueI think I saw it on Star Trek!!! Izzy Blaine: Kolob is a ruling planet that lies near the vicinity of God's abode--it takes 1000 earth years to make one revolution--it was never touted in any Mormon scripture as being God's actual place of

[TruthTalk] Perverting the words of the living God

2004-04-01 Thread Judy Taylor
In my library I have many different translations Bill and I can find the gospel in all of them. However, when I want to dig a little deeper I always goto the KJV which IMO is better than anything that has come along since.. As for fighting and dividing, I'm not into that either. We are all

[TruthTalk] FELLOWSHIP (was Dialogue with Mormons)

2004-04-01 Thread Judy Taylor
John wrote:I don't want to speak for Blaine, but I see nothing in Mormonism that prevents either of us to fellowship with non-LDS Christians. Perhaps I don't understand fellowship quite the same way you do though.Fellowship. I do think that fellowship is bigger than denominational

Re: [TruthTalk] Perverting the words of the living God

2004-04-01 Thread Lance Muir
FYI-The Dead Sea Scrolls Bible (The oldest known Bible translated for the first time into English) Harper More than 1000 years older than any previously discovered biblical manuscripts with material never before published or translated. Lance - Original Message - From: Wm.

RE: [TruthTalk] Covenant versus Contract

2004-04-01 Thread ShieldsFamily
Waiting on pins and needles! Izzy From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jonathan Hughes Sent: Wednesday, March 31, 2004 10:20 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [TruthTalk] Covenant versus Contract Well I promised myself I wouldnt write any more

Re: [TruthTalk] Perverting the words of the living God

2004-04-01 Thread Lance Muir
Jt provides "worldview analysis" Whoda thunk it. Yup,convictions arrived at concerning some matters influence others.Lance From: Judy Taylor To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: March 31, 2004 22:41 Subject: [TruthTalk] Perverting the words of the living God Now Bill, got

[TruthTalk] Covenant versus Contract

2004-04-01 Thread Judy Taylor
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] the flow of the blood is eternal and continual, that our sins are remembered NO MORE. jt: Unrepented sin has not gone anywhere John and there is nothing wrong with God's memory The problem for the sinner is not sin, it is the decision to avoid God and, hence, His

[TruthTalk] Perverting the words of the living God

2004-04-01 Thread Judy Taylor
I wouldn't get my hopes too high. Older doesn't necessarily mean better and the Essenes were a cult like group. The major intact texts from caves 1 and 11 were published by the late 1950's and didn't make any big waves. judyt From: "Lance Muir" [EMAIL PROTECTED] FYI-The Dead Sea Scrolls

Re: [TruthTalk] Covenant versus Contract

2004-04-01 Thread Lance Muir
A distinction I've found helpful on this C vs C discussion is drawn from IF IFF. The former can be understood as" If this then that" while the latter is understood to mean (not say) "If and only if". `Are there "conditions" attached to grace? If there are and, we are fallen how then do we

[TruthTalk] Perverting the words of the living God

2004-04-01 Thread Judy Taylor
Are you being funny Lance? Yes some matters do influence others, (where is discernment these days)? Bad company corrupts good morals and we are not ever exhorted to seek out the devil in order toreceive wisdom from God. Read the Preface to the KJV and compare that with what these other

Re: [TruthTalk] Perverting the words of the living God

2004-04-01 Thread Lance Muir
This book contains the 2,000 year old texts of the Bible. THAT VERY SAME BIBLE you read daily. These are not non-biblical texts. (ISBN 0060600640) Check it out "man". (intended as humour (Cdn sp) not sarcasm) Lance - Original Message - From: Judy Taylor To: [EMAIL

[TruthTalk] Covenant versus Contract

2004-04-01 Thread Judy Taylor
We probably need to lay all preconceived ideas aside andexamine our understanding of what grace means, that is the definition ofgrace in the Word of God. We are taught that it means "unmerited favor" - who coined that one? We are also taught that noone could ever fulfill God's Law (which

Re: [TruthTalk] Perverting the words of the living God

2004-04-01 Thread Lance Muir
Kinda yes and kinda no. The "no" part" has to do with your scripture quotations. Every one of them is believed by yourself to refer to a meaning that makes whatever point you are about in that conversation. Sometimes that meaning is the real meaning. But, you too are"influenced". Sometimes

Re: [TruthTalk] Covenant versus Contract

2004-04-01 Thread Lance Muir
Jt's meaning? Anyone presented with what you outlined from scripture then, has the capacity within to say in response: a. I do understand what you've just explained to me and I accept it and will repent or, b. Same but, nope I don't want it.Lance - Original Message - From:

[TruthTalk] Perverting the words of the living God

2004-04-01 Thread Judy Taylor
Correct me if I'm wrong Lance but I'm reading youstating that I misread scripture because of outside influence (you have already said that you don't believe the Holy Spirit is involved in this) so IYO I am led away from what is "intrinsically true and right" However, in saying this you are

[TruthTalk] Covenant versus Contract

2004-04-01 Thread Judy Taylor
I would hope that anyone presented with anything I say would be Berean enough to look for it themselves in scripture gobefore the Lord toask God forwisdom - thenwe will make some progress in the right direction (I'm not looking for a following), and yes I do believe that in spite of being

Re: [TruthTalk] Perverting the words of the living God

2004-04-01 Thread Lance Muir
Check archives re:the role of the HS in interpretation (my understanding). Given: Some on this site are actually "believers". They quote scriptures intended to support an opposing meaning to those you've quoted. This, at its worst is the "O Ya" factor and, at its best is simply an

Re: [TruthTalk] Covenant versus Contract

2004-04-01 Thread Lance Muir
Thanks for putting your "cards on the table" Lance From: Judy Taylor To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: April 01, 2004 06:54 Subject: [TruthTalk] Covenant versus Contract I would hope that anyone presented with anything I say would be Berean enough to look for it

Re: [TruthTalk] Perverting the words of the living God

2004-04-01 Thread Kevin Deegan
The Dead sea scrolls were individual finds of individual manuscripts. There were multiple finds. A manuscript is not a "Bible" or codexLance Muir [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: FYI-The Dead Sea Scrolls Bible (The oldest known Bible translated for the first time into English) Harper More than 1000

Re: [TruthTalk] Perverting the words of the living God

2004-04-01 Thread Lance Muir
Kevin: Please research this title I listed. See exactly what mss were translated. Are you devaluing this find? lance - Original Message - From: Kevin Deegan To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: April 01, 2004 07:16 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Perverting the words of the

Re: [TruthTalk] Perverting the words of the living God

2004-04-01 Thread Kevin Deegan
I am not detracting justclarifying your use of the word "Bible" they were mssLance Muir [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Kevin: Please research this title I listed. See exactly what mss were translated. Are you devaluing this find? lance - Original Message - From: Kevin Deegan To: [EMAIL

[TruthTalk] Perverting the words of the living God

2004-04-01 Thread Judy Taylor
What about the HS giving understanding Lance? Believers!! Ppl believe in all kinds of doctrines and ideas and not all are from the Spirit of Truth. Those with opposing meanings should be able to show in balance and in context why the scriptures I post are being wrongly used. By intrinsic do

Re: [TruthTalk] FELLOWSHIP (was Dialogue with Mormons)

2004-04-01 Thread Wm. Taylor
and this is not the standardJesus and the First Century Church left to us. Do you mean that Jesus did not really dine with tax collectors and harlots? - Original Message - From: Judy Taylor To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, April 01, 2004 3:21 AM

Re: [TruthTalk] Covenant versus Contract

2004-04-01 Thread Terry Clifton
Jonathan Hughes wrote: Well I promised myself I wouldnt write any more posts until I had finished writing an exam next Monday but I wanted to put one small one forward. Blaine and Johns comments below (thank you gentlemen) highlight an area that I have had a lot of change in

[TruthTalk] FELLOWSHIP (was Dialogue with Mormons)

2004-04-01 Thread Judy Taylor
He ate with them but ATST was separate from them, fellowship and relationship involve trust and commitment.. "Jesus did not commit himself unto them, because he knew all men and needed not that any should testify of man; for he knew what was in man" (John 2:24) and "For such an high

Re: [TruthTalk] Covenant versus Contract

2004-04-01 Thread Terry Clifton
Lance Muir wrote: A distinction I've found helpful on this C vs C discussion is drawn from IF IFF. The former can be understood as" If this then that" while the latter is understood to mean (not say) "If and only if". `Are there "conditions" attached to grace? If there are and, we

Re: [TruthTalk] Covenant versus Contract

2004-04-01 Thread Terry Clifton
Judy Taylor wrote: We probably need to lay all preconceived ideas aside andexamine our understanding of what grace means, that is the definition ofgrace in the Word of God. We are taught that it means "unmerited favor" - who coined that one? We are also taught that noone could ever

Re: [TruthTalk] Perverting the words of the living God

2004-04-01 Thread Wm. Taylor
Judy, in all respect and candor, how do you know you are "from the Spirit of Truth"? I'll speak for my self here, when I go to Scripture, I go in prayer, earnestly, inwardly, desiring that the Spirit lead me to truth. Yet I sometimes (most times?) come away with a "leading" different from

Re: [TruthTalk] false notions

2004-04-01 Thread Charles Perry Locke
David, you are denying what several of your own prophets have stated. Have you not seen the multitude of references that Kevin has provided that indicate such? Are you saying that they were NOT prophets, and had no authority, or were they wrong on just this one occasion? Please set me

Re: [TruthTalk] FELLOWSHIP (was Dialogue with Mormons)

2004-04-01 Thread Wm. Taylor
Wrong. He fellowshipped with them and then they made a commitment to him, then they loved him. I John 4.18-19 -- "There is no fear in love; but perfect love casts out fear, because fear involves torment. But he who fears has not been made perfect in love.We love Him because He first loved

Re: [TruthTalk] FELLOWSHIP (was Dialogue with Mormons)

2004-04-01 Thread Wm. Taylor
PS, This is not to say that fellowship and relationship does not involve trust and commitment. It is to say that that relationship was initiatesby Jesus at his movement toward them, in his utter acceptance of them in spite of who they were, and his absolute refusal to leave them in their

[TruthTalk] Covenant versus Contract

2004-04-01 Thread Judy Taylor
I don't know that there is a difference Terry - keeping and fulfilling is the same thing but we have been taught doctrines in Christendom that do not conform us to godliness and holiness. Enoch was pleasing to God and so was Elijah (they were translated). We are not required to keep the

Re: [TruthTalk] Re:Dialogue with Mormons

2004-04-01 Thread Knpraise
In a message dated 3/31/2004 10:46:09 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: If we have a common parent, I think I'd consider that qualifies as a brotherhood of sorts. I agree but would add "spiritual" --- "spiritiual parent(s)" John

Re: [TruthTalk] Courtesy of A.Word.A.Day

2004-04-01 Thread Knpraise
In a message dated 3/31/2004 11:45:34 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: God has no religion He's not Mormon? J

[TruthTalk] Perverting the words of the living God

2004-04-01 Thread Judy Taylor
I don't know that I would phrase it like that Bill. When I was born again I know that God sealed me with the Holy Spirit of promise but it was only when I layed aside all of the doctrines of men that had gotten me confused (because there are so many of them) and came asking God for wisdom

Re: [TruthTalk] FELLOWSHIP (was Dialogue with Mormons)

2004-04-01 Thread Knpraise
In a message dated 4/1/2004 2:24:06 AM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: John wrote: I don't want to speak for Blaine, but I see nothing in Mormonism that prevents either of us to fellowship with non-LDS Christians John did not write this (above). Try again. John wrote this

Re: [TruthTalk] Perverting the words of the living God

2004-04-01 Thread Lance Muir
Though it is difficult nay, nigh on impossible to underestimate the ability of even "long-time" believers to articulate on The Nature of God The Nature of God's Gospel I will readily nay (once again) acknowledge the following: 1. God is gracious. By His Spirit He takes the most

Fw: Re: [TruthTalk] FELLOWSHIP (was Dialogue with Mormons)

2004-04-01 Thread Judy Taylor
From: "Wm. Taylor" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Wrong. He fellowshipped with them and then they made a commitment to him, then they loved him. I John 4.18-19 -- jt: He didn't fellowship with any of the disciples before calling them. He said "Come follow me" and they left everything and came. Who are

[TruthTalk] FELLOWSHIP (was Dialogue with Mormons)

2004-04-01 Thread Judy Taylor
This apparently is where your doctrine veers off into a wide sweeping thing Bill. I don't see it in scripture. When the young man came to Jesus who was rich and unwilling to part with his riches; he walked off and Jesus was sad but he didn't go running after him. So from what we know Jesus

[TruthTalk] GOD'S LAW OUR FRIEND and SCHOOLMASTER

2004-04-01 Thread Judy Taylor
Can we say with the Psalmist The law of the Lord is perfect, converting the soul The testimony of the Lord is sure making wise the simple The statutes of the Lord are right, rejoicing the heart The commandment of the Lord is pure, enlightening the eyes The fear of the Lord is clean enduring for

Re: [TruthTalk] GOD'S LAW OUR FRIEND and SCHOOLMASTER

2004-04-01 Thread Lance Muir
Yes we can. Lance- From: Judy Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: April 01, 2004 09:52 Subject: [TruthTalk] GOD'S LAW OUR FRIEND and SCHOOLMASTER Can we say with the Psalmist The law of the Lord is perfect, converting the soul The testimony of the Lord is sure making wise the

Re: [TruthTalk] Re:Dialogue with Mormons

2004-04-01 Thread Dave
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 3/31/2004 10:46:09 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: If we have a common parent, I think I'd consider that qualifies as a brotherhood of sorts. I agree but would add "spiritual" --- "spiritiual

Re: [TruthTalk] false notions

2004-04-01 Thread Dave
Charles Perry Locke wrote: David, you are denying what several of your own prophets have stated. DAVEH: No, Perry. I am denying the spin you are putting on their words. Have you not seen the multitude of references that Kevin has provided that indicate such? DAVEH: No.I have not. The

[TruthTalk] GOD'S LAW OUR FRIEND and SCHOOLMASTER

2004-04-01 Thread Judy Taylor
You know what the key to the scriptures is Lance? It's not Church doctrine, it's not words and it's not indicatives and imparatives It's the parable of the Sower found in Matthew 13:3, Mark 4:3, Luke 8:5. jtFrom: "Lance Muir" [EMAIL PROTECTED]Yes we can.

Re: [TruthTalk] Covenant versus Contract

2004-04-01 Thread Knpraise
In a message dated 4/1/2004 2:55:55 AM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: the flow of the blood is eternal and continual, that our sins are remembered NO MORE. jt: Unrepented sin has not gone anywhere John and there is nothing wrong with God's memory Because I ahve changed my

Re: [TruthTalk] false notions

2004-04-01 Thread Charles Perry Locke
DavidH, If I produce a statement from one of the LDS prophets that says it WAS a physical union, will you change your position? Or will you deny that the one who stated it was a prophet? Perry From: Dave [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re:

Re: [TruthTalk] GOD'S LAW OUR FRIEND and SCHOOLMASTER

2004-04-01 Thread Lance Muir
"Key" comes off a little too much like "doctrine" Judy. Even a JTD but,reading, indwelling Scripture is always and ever an EXCELLENT IDEA! Blessings, Lance From: Judy Taylor To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: April 01, 2004 10:23 Subject: [TruthTalk] GOD'S LAW OUR FRIEND and

Re: [TruthTalk] FELLOWSHIP (was Dialogue with Mormons)

2004-04-01 Thread Knpraise
In a message dated 4/1/2004 5:01:33 AM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Jesus fellowshipped with those who had first made a total (left all) commitment to him. jt. And a wonderful bunch of deserters they were.

[TruthTalk] Covenant versus Contract

2004-04-01 Thread Judy Taylor
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] the flow of the blood is eternal and continual, that our sins are remembered NO MORE. [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:Unrepented sin has not gone anywhere John and there is nothing wrong with God's memory john: Because I ahve changed my mind about sin does not eliminate

Re: [TruthTalk] Perverting the words of the living God

2004-04-01 Thread Knpraise
In a message dated 4/1/2004 4:26:08 AM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I am not detracting just clarifying your use of the word "Bible" they were mss Ditto all present day translations -- they are mss in the vein of B and Siniaticus. John

Re: [TruthTalk] FELLOWSHIP (was Dialogue with Mormons)

2004-04-01 Thread Knpraise
In a message dated 4/1/2004 5:33:36 AM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: He fellowshipped with them and then they made a commitment to him, Perfect. Read it and weep, judyt. john

[TruthTalk] FELLOWSHIP (was Dialogue with Mormons)

2004-04-01 Thread Judy Taylor
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In a message dated 4/1/2004 5:01:33 AM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Jesus fellowshipped with those who had first made a total (left all) commitment to him. jt. john: And a wonderful bunch of deserters they were. jt: Only while natural menas

Re: [TruthTalk] Perverting the words of the living God

2004-04-01 Thread Knpraise
In a message dated 4/1/2004 6:14:36 AM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: "Well done good and faithful servant." It just struck me that I say these words to my grand kids all the time. " Matty, your coloring is great" (when , in fact, it leaves much to be desired). "Well done"

Re: Fw: Re: [TruthTalk] FELLOWSHIP (was Dialogue with Mormons)

2004-04-01 Thread Knpraise
In a message dated 4/1/2004 6:19:30 AM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: He didn't fellowship with any of the disciples before calling them. He said "Come follow me" and they left everything and came. But they did not stop sinning. He did not make THAT a requirement of

Re: [TruthTalk] Perverting the words of the living God

2004-04-01 Thread Knpraise
In a message dated 4/1/2004 6:41:38 AM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: You, John, and Lance cheer each other on because you have all read and follow some of the same theologians. Not the least of whom is Jesus the Lord. John

Re: [TruthTalk] Re:Dialogue with Mormons

2004-04-01 Thread Knpraise
In a message dated 4/1/2004 7:09:07 AM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I agree but would add "spiritual" --- "spiritiual parent(s)" DAVEH: I would not be opposed to that, but fear that by doing so it deemphasizes the literal nature of the parenthood of our Heavenly Father. W

[TruthTalk] Perverting the words of the living God

2004-04-01 Thread Judy Taylor
Are you saying the sacrifice is not sufficient to overcome sin John That he left us no power and no gifts when he ascended? From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In a message dated 4/1/2004 6:14:36 AM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: "Well done good and faithful servant."It just struck

Re: [TruthTalk] Covenant versus Contract

2004-04-01 Thread Knpraise
In a message dated 4/1/2004 7:48:25 AM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: john: Because I ahve changed my mind about sin does not eliminate sin from my life (Rom 7:25, I John 1:8 , Ro 3:23) jt: We not only have to change our mind and hate it, we separate ourselves from it and

Re: [TruthTalk] Perverting the words of the living God

2004-04-01 Thread Knpraise
In a message dated 4/1/2004 8:04:12 AM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Are you saying the sacrifice is not sufficient to overcome sin John no. Your are the one saying. that. He did all that He could but, in the end, it depends upon us. Absolutely crazy. John

Re: [TruthTalk] Covenant versus Contract

2004-04-01 Thread Knpraise
In a message dated 4/1/2004 7:48:25 AM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I don't know whether or not you said it but you hear it all the time in Churches YOU said that I made that statement and when put on the spot, you ignore and move on. John

Re: [TruthTalk] Perverting the words of the living God

2004-04-01 Thread Wm. Taylor
- Original Message - From: Judy Taylor To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, April 01, 2004 6:56 AM Subject: [TruthTalk] Perverting the words of the living God I don't know that I would phrase it like that Bill. When I was born again I know that God

[TruthTalk] Covenant versus Contract

2004-04-01 Thread Judy Taylor
Got to take grandson to the Dr. will address them when we get back. However, it is all true and the one I quoted negates nothing Paul taught neither does Romans invalidate Hebrews. jt From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In a message dated 4/1/2004 7:48:25 AM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED]

[TruthTalk] Covenant versus Contract

2004-04-01 Thread Judy Taylor
Show me where I said you said it. I just stated it as general fact... jt From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In a message dated 4/1/2004 7:48:25 AM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I don't know whether or not you said it but you hear it all the time in ChurchesYOU said that I made

Re: [TruthTalk] Covenant versus Contract

2004-04-01 Thread Wm. Taylor
John, I have really been appreciating your posts. You and Terry are like the elders of our little congregation. I'm fully on board with your grace doctrine. I think it is the only way to understand the whole of Scripture, Old and New Testaments. I agree that therewas a transference of

Re: [TruthTalk] Perverting the words of the living God

2004-04-01 Thread Wm. Taylor
Preach it, elder John! From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, April 01, 2004 8:55 AM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Perverting the words of the living God In a message dated 4/1/2004 6:14:36 AM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: "Well done good and

RE: [TruthTalk] Chat Session Thursday, 9:00 pm Eastern Time

2004-04-01 Thread David Miller
Bill wrote: I won't be coming to the party. My connection is just too slow for that much fun. Slow dial-up connections are fine for this chat. Don't let a slow connection keep you from coming. Peace be with you. David Miller, Beverly Hills, Florida. -- Let your speech be always with

Re: [TruthTalk] Chat Session Thursday, 9:00 pm Eastern Time

2004-04-01 Thread Wm. Taylor
David, I have a 57 k modem, but I usually can only connect at around 9600-14400. Will that still work? - Original Message - From: David Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, April 01, 2004 10:44 AM Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Chat Session Thursday, 9:00 pm Eastern

RE: [TruthTalk] Chat Session Thursday, 9:00 pm Eastern Time

2004-04-01 Thread David Miller
Bill wrote: David, I have a 57 k modem, but I usually can only connect at around 9600-14400. Will that still work? There are two levels to the chat. One is voice. The other is text. If you really are getting connections that slow, you might have some trouble with audio. You certainly could

Re: [TruthTalk] Covenant versus Contract

2004-04-01 Thread Terry Clifton
Judy Taylor wrote: I don't know that there is a difference Terry - keeping and fulfilling is the same thing but we have been taught doctrines in Christendom that do not conform us to godliness and holiness. Enoch was pleasing to God and so was Elijah (they were translated). We are

Re: [TruthTalk] Covenant versus Contract

2004-04-01 Thread Knpraise
In a message dated 4/1/2004 8:46:19 AM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: John, I know you are aware of this, but for the sake of those who may not be, the difference between our Bible's translation and these here is strictly a matter of interpretation. Hey -- thank you for the

Re: [TruthTalk] Perverting the words of the living God

2004-04-01 Thread Kevin Deegan
Rhetoric LOL Open your eyes and look at the shameful condition of these Manuscripts. They are full of additions subtractions blank spaces, big ugly blotches from erasing. VATICANus Sainaiticus are tainted on almost every page. It is the product of hundreds of years of tampering. Whay all the

Re: [TruthTalk] Covenant versus Contract

2004-04-01 Thread Wm. Taylor
Thank you, my brother, and through you God has made my day as well. Bill - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, April 01, 2004 11:23 AM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Covenant versus Contract In a message dated

Re: [TruthTalk] Covenant versus Contract

2004-04-01 Thread Wm. Taylor
Oh,and don't ever let go of Robertson without first giving me a shout. I paid over a hundred for mine at seminary. I have the others you mentioned also, all purchased at marked-up prices. It's not that I am all that upset, even seminary bookstores have to stay in business; but sometimes I

Re: [TruthTalk] Perverting the words of the living God

2004-04-01 Thread Wm. Taylor
Excuse me, Kevin, I did it to you again. - Original Message - From: Wm. Taylor To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, April 01, 2004 11:37 AM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Perverting the words of the living God Okay, Terry, I'll do that in my quiet time,

Re: [TruthTalk] Perverting the words of the living God

2004-04-01 Thread Wm. Taylor
Okay, Terry, I'll do that in my quiet time, while reading,meditating upon, andlovingGod's Word. Bill - Original Message - From: Kevin Deegan To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, April 01, 2004 11:29 AM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Perverting the words of the

[TruthTalk] Being free of sin

2004-04-01 Thread David Miller
John wrote: But they did not stop sinning. He did not make THAT a requirement of apostleship. I thought he made it a requirement of all disciples. Didn't he tell the woman caught in adultery, go and sin no more? Didn't he tell us that we must be perfect as our heavenly Father is perfect

RE: [TruthTalk] Perverting the words of the living God

2004-04-01 Thread David Miller
John wrote: Well done good and faithful servant. It just struck me that I say these words to my grand kids all the time. Matty, your coloring is great (when , in fact, it leaves much to be desired). Well done encourages me to continue, to learn how to color between the lines, to sin

RE: [TruthTalk] Covenant versus Contract

2004-04-01 Thread David Miller
John wrote: I Jo 1:8 makes a statement in greek, a present tense statement: if we say that we are having no sin, the truth is not within us. all have sinned and are falling short of the glory of God. [Romans 3:23?] Hey, John, aren't you mangling these verses? The mood of these verbs

RE: [TruthTalk] Covenant versus Contract

2004-04-01 Thread David Miller
John wrote: Because I have changed my mind about sin does not eliminate sin from my life (Rom 7:25, I John 1:8 , Ro 3:23) Quoting other scriptures does not change the truth expressed in those I offered to you. Romans 7:25 is a summation of what it is like for the unregenerated person

Re: [TruthTalk] Graven images

2004-04-01 Thread Wm. Taylor
I'm "cleaning house" a little today and ran across this post I saved from way back in February. My point of interest concerns the "uncovering of Noah." I suggest you all look up the biblical connotations of this term "to uncover." The offence was a bit more violating than anything so

[TruthTalk] Re:DAVID SURPRISES (Maybe)

2004-04-01 Thread Lance Muir
DAVID SURPRISES!!!Christ insufficientChrist a minister of sin DO BELIEVERS CONTINUE TO SIN? Before I RSVP please clarify what you mean. This might just be huge. Lance From: David Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: April 01, 2004 13:44 Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Covenant versus

RE: [TruthTalk] Re:DAVID SURPRISES (Maybe)

2004-04-01 Thread David Miller
Lance wrote: Before I RSVP please clarify what you mean. My position is that Christ is sufficient; therefore, when we are found in him, he is found living in us, and in Him is no sin. And ye know that he was manifested to take away our sins; and in him is no sin. (1 John 3:5 KJV) I am

Re: [TruthTalk] Covenant versus Contract--SAINTS, NOT SINNERS

2004-04-01 Thread ELSMANLAW
THIS WORRIES ME. WHAT DAVID MILLER WROTE BELOW CANNOT BE SUBSTANTIALLY IMPROVED UPON. I VERY SELDOM AGREE WITH DAVID MILLER. BECAUSE THE SUBJECT IS SO GRAVE, I WOULD SUGGEST YOU PRINT- OUT WHAT DAVID WROTE AND TAPE IT TO YOUR "REFRIGERATOR", AS THE IMPORT IS SO MAJOR THAT IT MAY MAKE A NEW MAN OUT

[TruthTalk] Re:DAVID SURPRISES AGAIN!!(MAYBE AGAIN)

2004-04-01 Thread Lance Muir
David: surely I'm misunderstanding you. Re-phrase, re-visit, play it again David 'cause I'm about to laugh out loud. Lance - Original Message - From: David Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: April 01, 2004 13:49 Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Covenant versus Contract John

Re: [TruthTalk] Perverting the words of the living God

2004-04-01 Thread Terry Clifton
Wm. Taylor wrote: Excuse me, Kevin, I did it to you again. - Original Message - From: Wm. Taylor To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, April 01, 2004 11:37 AM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Perverting the words of the living God Okay,

[TruthTalk] Re:LANCE-THE ODD MAN(SINNER) OUT APPARENTLY

2004-04-01 Thread Lance Muir
Elsman, I'm no theologian so you gonna' have to 'splain it simply. Lance - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: April 01, 2004 14:08 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Covenant versus Contract--SAINTS, NOT SINNERS THIS WORRIES ME.

Re: [TruthTalk] Perverting the words of the living God

2004-04-01 Thread Wm. Taylor
I be lookin for scribbled out spots in the NT text. Just funnin with Kevin. I am sorry a misused your name. I was thinking Kevin and writing Terry. Can you ever forgive me }:) bill - Original Message - From: Terry Clifton To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday,

[TruthTalk] Re:DAVID-I HAVE NO PEACE WITH ME OVER THIS

2004-04-01 Thread Lance Muir
Of course He is without sin. Are you? even though He is in you? We're missin one another's meanin' right? Lance - Original Message - From: David Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: April 01, 2004 14:07 Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Re:DAVID SURPRISES (Maybe) Lance wrote:

[TruthTalk] Re:APRIL FOOLS DAY???

2004-04-01 Thread Lance Muir
Have we been had? - Original Message - From: David Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: April 01, 2004 14:07 Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Re:DAVID SURPRISES (Maybe) Lance wrote: Before I RSVP please clarify what you mean. My position is that Christ is sufficient;

Re: [TruthTalk] knowing Truth

2004-04-01 Thread ttxpress
how is his Grammar(?); if you wake up in time, ask him aboutthe Ap. Paulanyi's use of indicatives and imperatives (tell himDrGTthinks it's easy to exegete, but others, less brilliant,struggle to distinguish betwPaulanyi's head trips andhis dreams..apparently that's whyhe's the populist'

Re: [TruthTalk] Re:APRIL FOOLS DAY???

2004-04-01 Thread Wm. Taylor
I see Lance is thinking the same thing, my brother. We'll be praying for you. Bill - Original Message - From: Lance Muir [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, April 01, 2004 1:18 PM Subject: [TruthTalk] Re:APRIL FOOLS DAY??? Have we been had? - Original Message

Re: [TruthTalk] Re:APRIL FOOLS DAY???

2004-04-01 Thread Wm. Taylor
Someone had better check on John. He may have had a heart attack. This is too much for me. What's it like for our older brother? I'm serious. Someone pick up the phone and call him. Send me his number; I'll call him. John if you're a part of this, then speak, speak NOW! - Original Message

RE: [TruthTalk] Covenant versus Contract--SAINTS, NOT SINNERS

2004-04-01 Thread ShieldsFamily
Elsman, Would you kindly turn down the volume? We can all read normal typeset. We are not deaf, dumb or blind. Or do you consider your points to be so insignificant that you must SCREAM them out at us in HUGE RED LETTERS? Manners are sincerely appreciated here as acts of love. Otherwise, I

RE: [TruthTalk] knowing Truth

2004-04-01 Thread ShieldsFamily
Thank you for the information, g. Iz From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, April 01, 2004 2:35 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] knowing Truth how is his Grammar(?); if you wake up in time, ask him

Re: [TruthTalk] Re:WE ARE SAINTS, NOT SINNERS OF THE GENTILES

2004-04-01 Thread ELSMANLAW
LANCE, SURE, I WILL EXPAND. I THOUGHT YOU GUYS WERE ALL CHRISTIANS, AND HAD WORKED OUT THESE SIMPLE PRELIMINARIES, AS I DO NOT ATTEND TO THIS LIST OFT, AND DO NOT KNOW THE COMPOSITION OF SUCH. TAKE WHAT DAVID WROTE RE "HOLINESS" , PLUS ADD: 1. DOES THE HOLY SPIRIT DO A PERFECT WORK, OR, JUST

Re: [TruthTalk] Covenant versus Contract--SAINTS, NOT SINNERS

2004-04-01 Thread ELSMANLAW
In a message dated 4/1/2004 5:15:03 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Elsman, Would you kindly turn down the volume? We can all read normal typeset. We are not deaf, dumb or blind. Or do you consider your points to be so insignificant that you must SCREAM them out at us in

RE: [TruthTalk] Covenant versus Contract--SAINTS, NOT SINNERS

2004-04-01 Thread ShieldsFamily
Thank you kindly, Brother! Izzy From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, April 01, 2004 4:25 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Covenant versus Contract--SAINTS, NOT SINNERS In a message dated 4/1/2004

Re: [TruthTalk] Re:APRIL FOOLS DAY???

2004-04-01 Thread Knpraise
In a message dated 4/1/2004 12:20:08 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: From: "David Miller" [EMAIL PROTECTED] John wrote: I Jo 1:8 makes a statement in greek, a present tense statement: "if we say that we are having no sin, the truth is not within us." "all have

Re: [TruthTalk] knowing Truth

2004-04-01 Thread Knpraise
In a message dated 4/1/2004 12:40:06 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: how is his Grammar(?); if you wake up in time, ask him about the Ap. Paulanyi's use of indicatives and imperatives (tell him DrGT thinks it's easy to exegete, but others, less brilliant, struggle to

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