Amen to Caroline and, to David on
this.
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Caroline
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No error, Kevin, but only the complexities of
Yes to #1. No to #2. I believe you to be a faithful
child of God who demonstrates more diligence than most of those I've
met.
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Roseanne has moved on but, her pithy aphorisms
remain.
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Don't
Nine times out of ten, not unlike in marriage or
friendship, we accept one another including the distinctives. I sense that that
is what you do also, Linda. I saw a yound man last evening, characterized by his
mother as 'my dirty sweet boy'. His 'dirtyness' was swallowed up in the
Debbie wrote:
... it's transformed that our bodies will be, not
discarded.
Good point, but doesn't transformation of this sort truly imply a discarding
of our bodies? The caterpillar that transforms into a butterfly might be
said to be discarding his previous body. Think about it. The
Lance wrote:
Theologian=Rational discourse concerning [God].
I did not realize that theologians had to be rational. There was a
discussion some time back in which I thought you and another person objected
to logic.
Furthermore, I think of study of God and religion when I think of the word
There was therein more humour thrown than caught, David. I was attempting to
'ground' the meaning by making it a little less highfalutin. Yes, it does
include just about everyone.
The other discussion having to do with rationality and logic need not be
revisited at this time (or, maybe ever)
It
Judy wrote:
Scripture teaches that we are saved by
receiving the ingrafted Word ..
Gary wrote:
myth
You are so very wrong on this Gary. Read James 1:21: ... receive with
meekness the engrafted word, which is able to save your souls.
Gary wrote:
[biblical salvation involves receiving the
Am I to understand you to be saying that Paul believed and taught what we
have come to define as 'classic dualism'?
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Debbie
I say 'tomato', you say 'apple'. Ships passing in the night. They ain't
never gonna bump into one another, IMO.
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Judy wrote:
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Thursday, April 28, 2005
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Hi Friend,
http://www.watchman.net/articles/desire.html
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You ask, and receive not, because you ask amiss, that you may consume
it upon your lusts (James 4:3).
How much of
I agree that dresses are easiest and prettiest. However, my point was
that if you are really going to obey what Peter said you would NOT wear
dresses:
1 Peter 3:1 In the same way, you wives, be submissive to your own
husbands so that even if any of them are disobedient to the word,
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If there are no further revelations since 1st century AD, then all the visions David Miller has are false. Surely Kevin does not believe that. Perhaps what he meant is that God will never say or do anything that will contradict what has been revealed by Jesus and the
Why not Lance, please tell me what is wrong with James
1:21? Do you have a better way?
It's all about"Cleansing your hands you sinners
and purifying your hearts you doubleminded"
You know the Church is betrothed to Christ - (not
married yet) and the Church He will look for
at His returnis
DAVEH: Do any TTers believe that some things in the Bible such as
this are merely the opinions of the authors, and do not reflect the
Lord's doctrines?
ShieldsFamily wrote:
I agree that dresses are easiest and
prettiest. However, my point was
that if you are really going
DAVEH: I don't know if you've been reading all my posts lately DavidM,
but while the resurrection was the point of Paul's discussion...it was
not the point of my posts on TT.
As I see it, many Christians today believe that baptism is not a
necessary component of salvationwhereas I view
Well, that was quite a remarkable treatise on Lance's scriptural basis for
objecting to DM's post. The intellectuals are at it again. Izzy
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Not me! J It is just
that those who use the scripture below to ban wearing jewelry or braiding the
hair should also not wear dresses. Obviously they have missed the point that
those things are not the only thing that beautifies a womanthe most
beauty comes from a inner godly attitude and
Dave,
There may be things that were culturally relevant for the first century
that, while they do not mao easily to our current culture, certainly have
analogs today. For example, do we really know what dresses meant to the
first century citizen? Whatever they were, it probably is something
Sorry--JT's post!
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Well, that was quite a remarkable treatise on Lance's
Lance wrote:
Yes, it does include just about everyone.
Oh, so the word theologian includes all Christians, Jews, Muslims, etc.?
Don't you think the term becomes rather meaningless when used this way?
Lance wrote:
It matters much Who we say The Father is,
Jesus is and, The Spirit is.
Which
Lance wrote:
Am I to understand you to be saying that Paul
believed and taught what we have come to define
as 'classic dualism'?
Of course. Are you just now hearing this from me?
Peace be with you.
David Miller.
--
Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you
No, I am not.
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Lance wrote:
Am I to understand you to be saying that Paul
believed and taught what we have
Yes. No. #2
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Lance wrote:
Yes, it does include just about everyone.
Oh, so the word theologian includes
Perry wrote:
Does anyone on on TT know exactly what first
century dresses were and what Paul's objections
to them were?
Yes, Perry. There has been quite a bit of discussion about this so you
should not have any trouble researching it. The Greek word Peter uses is
himation, which is exactly
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DAVEH: ... There are quite a few Bible passages that reveal more than
their obvious message. As do parables, many convey more than one message.
And when looked at from an oblique angle, I believe much can be learned
from looking beyond the explicit text.
DAVEH wrote:
... while the resurrection was the point of Paul's discussion...
it was not the point of my posts on TT.
I understand that, but when you ask what Paul meant and who these people
were, it is important to consider why Paul brought up this point about a
group of people who baptized
Perry wrote:
I believe it was Luther that said, Where the Bible
remains silent, so shall I. Good advice.
I don't think this was Luther, but if you can find me a reference otherwise,
I would very much like to read it. Thomas Campbell is the one I have heard
credited with the Silence of
Interesting! Still proving that the point of the scripture is that it is not
the outward appearance that is important (to wear or not to wear attractive
jewelry, outer garments, or fancy hairdos), but the appearance of the inner
woman which only God can see. Usually those who are overly consumed
How true, legalism comes in so many shapes and
sizes. When I met my husband's grandmother
she was 78yo - had outlived 3 husbands and all four of
her children. I have photos of her at the turn
of the century in those long frilly dresses they wore
back then which must have been so much work.
I agreethat
just about everybody is in some very important sense a theologian--in the same
sense, in fact, in which everyone is a philosopher or is religious, and that
this doesn't make such terms meaningless.It is good to remind people that
there is not a whole lot of difference between
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Perry wrote:
I believe it was Luther that said, Where the Bible
remains silent, so shall I. Good advice.
I
Debbie wrote: ... it's transformed
that our bodies will be, not "discarded". Good
point, but doesn't transformation of this sort truly imply a discarding
of our bodies?
DS: No. Except in a somewhat strained
sense of discarding "the way our bodies were". It is quite hard to equate the
I think I am going to get into trouble with some
people re my last sentence. For "receive" read "do anything with". Be informed
by other things I have written on this theme.Don't go wondering if I believe in inspiration. But, as someone I was
talking with today suggested, it isprobable that
Perry wrote:
I think silence of scripture has it's place.
Mormonism is an example. Why create
doctrines where none exist? How about
baptism for the dead, polygamy, secret temple
ceremonies with secret handshakes, signs,
penalties, tokens, god was once a man, men
will become gods, mary was
Debbie, yet again, I stand corrected. Thanks for helping me think out my
word choices a little better.
Peace be with you.
David Miller.
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Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may know
how you ought to answer every man. (Colossians 4:6)
Perry, I forgot to ask you in my last post to you. Have you read some of
the early gnostic writings? If you have not, please do so. They were FAR
worse than the Mormons in terms of adding teachings from revelation. I
don't think the Silence of Scripture hermeneutic is necessary to stop this
Judy, she would have like our church where
jeans rule. J Izzy
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Dresses
How true, legalism comes
An honour, sir.
Debbie
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Debbie, yet again, I stand corrected. Thanks for helping me
think out my word choices a
Interesting too that the KJV on biblegateway.com has:
1 Peter 3:3 Whose adorning let it not be that outward adorning of plaiting the
hair, and of wearing of gold, or of putting on of apparel;
Does yours really say dresses? What year was it printed? And who was the
publisher? And if biblegateway
our church is very casual too. When my brother
visited for Christmas services I reminded him not to wear a suit.
I wonder how many people did not go to church
because they feel they do not belong. Also, Judy, you said your grandmother was
a believer in her own way. We are all believers in
I think it very interesting that we do not rejoice when when one experiences an immersion, an obsessing, about or in(to) jESUS, choosing,rather,to note and cheer for that person's failure.
Saturday is Jame's wedding day (my middle boy).He asked me to "perform" the ceremony. I will take
I used to tell my children, "Never cross the street without me or Mom!!" I don't tell them that. In fact, I tell them much the opposite.Growth is a dynamic that demands differing advice as time goes on. And so it is that God will tell you one thing and tell me something very different --
Yes. Within two hours of getting on cable, my lap top went dwon and the big computer is ca-pute.
I re-posted to Ray but have not seen David's response. Right now, I am on my #1 son's computer. The Boston Church of Christ is not a part of the sectarian group I was a member -- but, well, I really
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