Let's assume that it doesn't originate with the 'E-man'. That's not the
issue at hand, David. Certainty, as you understand it, is is a reductionist
expression of the truth.. Said 'nother way: 'When you equate your
statement(s) of the truth with the truth you've already begun to move from
the
Thanks. I guess it was longer ago than I'd remembered that my own 'look' at
the LDS took place. I may still have a recorded conversation which took place
between Spencer W. Kimball and someone I knew, by six degrees of separation, on
this topic.
- Original Message -
From:
Which may explain why they are there
spending money on rifles and man-toys. J Izzy
but it seems like I am destined for one on one stuff,
especially with older, lonely, divorced men. Terry
Ruben, where will this convention be
located? You show the meaning of the anointing upon otherwise normal
human beings. Izzy
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[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Ruben Israel
Sent: Friday, May 27, 2005 10:25
PM
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Subject:
RI to T:I was moved and, appreciative. Thanks RI.
PS:The ten commandments do not exhaust our ethical
responsibility before God. The (TC) ought not necessarily be thought of as
absolutes. The Jewish understanding of 'The Law' was broader than that.
L
TT archive address, anyone?
Jd
Christine -- did you reply to this post or does Pops mirror you view?
JD-Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Wed, 25 May 2005 17:46:16 -0400Subject: Re: [Bulk] Re: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] mormon angels. was: Dave uses Socratic Method of Teaching
no--tell us about
them
thanks, Lance -
g
On Sat, 28 May 2005 06:56:05 -0400 "Lance Muir"
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Gary:Have you read any of the following: The Tipping
Point, Blink (same author) or, Freakonomics?
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http://www.mail-archive.com/truthtalk@mail.innglory.org/
On Sat, 28 May 2005 09:57:36 -0400 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
TT archive address, anyone?
Jd
Wow, the subjects sound awesomeId
love to listen just for the information. Its a 1 ½ hour drive from St. Louis. Who knows,
maybe I can go listen one day. Let me know what days they have what classes if
you can later. Izzy
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Ok, guys, this makes it clear that a new moderator is in order. For
some reason, Gary won't correspond with me, so I am taking action unilaterally
for the sake of the list.
Perry has agreed to take over as moderator again. I appreciate the
time Gary has put into the job. The job is now
Several days ago, Gary gave a fairly thorough response, of sorts.
Whatever.
JD-Original Message-From: David Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Sat, 28 May 2005 10:32:25 -0400Subject: [TruthTalk] New Moderator for TruthTalk
Ok, guys, this makes it clear that
Thank you, Perry! Iz
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[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of David Miller
Sent: Saturday, May 28, 2005 8:32
AM
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Subject: [TruthTalk] New Moderator
for TruthTalk
Ok, guys, this makes it clear that a new moderator is in
John wrote:
You are a legalist, David.
Thank you. Nothing wrong with being a legalist. God is a legalist too.
Read the Torah and study why Jesus had to die for your sins.
John wrote:
Well meaning, of course.
Thank you.
John wrote:
As such, there is no way of convicting you of your
John wrote:
Zephaniah 3 is a passage written to Judah about
600 years before the coming of the kingdom.
It has nothing to do with refuting the good Canadian
Bishops formula.
Being written 600 years ago does not mean the passage is irrelevant. The
passage is a prophecy about the gift of the
DM speaks of 'those' who have ears to hear. Mayhap it depends somewhat on
those who, may I be so bold as to say, 'tongues which utter something worth
hearing' or, that which is, in and of itself, true. You presume to speak
'truth' Mr. Miller. Sometimes you do. Sometimes you do not.It's the 'do
Oh No! Are we back to the worship and follow Bob
Dylan groupie club? I've been busy
with house guests and am looking for something
substantial. jt
On Sat, 28 May 2005 06:56:05 -0400 "Lance Muir" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Gary:Have you read any of the following: The
Tipping Point, Blink
Who wrote God's Law - respect for which in John's eyes
turns one into a legalist?
This in spite of the fact that God Himself says that
for those who turn away from hearing
His Law, even their prayer is abomination. Guess
some folk only accept the parts of scripture
that they agree with and
Not so. Slade was more legalistic than David
Miller by a long shot; anyone who tries to keep the 10 Commandments by observing
the 613 man made laws of the Talmud IMO is excessively legalistic. How is
it your comprehension is so
partial Lance? Methinks you show a definite
negative bias
I've recently been in touch with Slade via Kay. You
misspeak, methinks, Judith. You do so not vis a vis the Talmudic reference but
as to his non legalistic heart. I watched him as a moderator.As to the Millers
deux, I have naught against either.
- Original Message -
From:
You can't know the heart Lance other than what proceeds
from the mouth and by their own admission this is
how they (Slade and Kay) perceived the wayGod
would have themwalk even though it is far from NT Christianity.
I believe they were both well meaning but to this day
can not comprehend
If you want substantial then, write privately to
David and Christine.
- Original Message -
From:
Judy
Taylor
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Cc: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: May 28, 2005 11:29
Subject: [Bulk] [TruthTalk] Ad hominem
arguments
Oh
Why should I have to do that - after all this is a
Truth Talk List is it not? I understand Truth to be a person
with a name other thanDylan. Killing with
self-confidence after poisoning with words may be a familiar
happening on TT but it is something for which we should
repent rather than
Was that an 'unintended funny'? 'broken one of the
Talmudic laws'. Good one, Judith!
- Original Message -
From:
Judy
Taylor
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Cc: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: May 28, 2005 12:17
Subject: [Bulk] Re: [Bulk] [TruthTalk]
Gary is, at present and IMO, one of the more
perceptive, creative, literary, imaginative writers on TT. Others trail far
behind. You've never understood him or, what he's doing.
- Original Message -
From:
Judy
Taylor
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Cc:
I don't think itfunny Lance; I think it is
extremely rude, to listmembers and most expecially to the listowner
with whom he had some kind of an agreement which was
broken and nullified and that without notice. If
nothing else hebroke the Royal Law - Love which I
am sure would have an
TT members,
Well, here I am again moderating TT. I am changing my style a little from
when I last was moderator. Last time I approached ad-hominem offenders in
private and discussed with them the nature of their offense. I fear that,
while I think this was effective most of the time, it may
I do believe that Slade was more than a little
ticked off with David and, understandably so IMO.
- Original Message -
From:
Judy
Taylor
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Cc: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: May 28, 2005 12:49
Subject: [Bulk] [TruthTalk] New
That may be so Lance and there are all kinds of
creative and imaginative ppl out there, enough to wear anyone
out... only what you call "creative, literary and
imaginative" has nothingto do with truth, either
comprehending
it or walking in it. Ppl who areall taken
up with their own ideas
For a mature believer "being ticked off" is no reason
for lack of love and/or rudeness. It's possible Slade may
have misunderstood some things; I know he had no idea
what I was talking about most of the time. The
answer to his predicament would have been to say
goodbye and quietly retire
So, dear Judith, is his. I know for a certainty
(David, please bookmark this) that there are simply some things that you cannot
see. This (he) is one of them. What a loss for you. Keep on truckin' Jt. God's
kingdome is richer for having you in it.
- Original Message -
From:
Last kick at the cat (sorry Iz). You are,
untintentionally, too too funny sometimes. (I know he had no idea what I was
talking about most of the time) El reverso, Judith. I was thee who had no idea
what HE was talking about most of the time. He said so. Go back and look if
you're
Charles Perry Locke wrote:
Dave,
The LIE I accused you of was making me out to be against mormons
posting on TT,
DAVEH: ??? Huh? What are you talking about, Perry?
when I have NEVER been against that. I felt that you
intentionally twisted it around, and made it appear as though I
CPL:Paallessseee leave off this
harangue! Can't you get past this? Do we need to be looking for another
moderator? I ain't got a 'snowball's chance' but maybe it'd be me.
Yikes!
- Original Message -
From:
Dave
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Astute observation. You nailed it.
Terry
ShieldsFamily wrote:
Which may
explain why they are there
spending money on rifles and man-toys. J Izzy
but it seems like I am
destined for one on one stuff,
especially with older, lonely, divorced men. Terry
Lance Muir wrote:
Gary is, at present and IMO, one of
the more perceptive, creative, literary, imaginative writers on TT.
Others trail far behind. You've never understood him or, what he's
doing.
I can identify with that last line.
Terry
Word is, Terry, that he's also a gun totin',
tabaccee chewin' good ol' boy when off TT.
- Original Message -
From:
Terry Clifton
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: May 28, 2005 14:25
Subject: [Bulk] Re: [Bulk] [TruthTalk] Ad
hominem arguments
Lance Muir
Lance,
Believe me, I am trying to bring this thing to a close as quickly as I
can. I have already dispensed with our first point of contention, and am
working on the second.
Perry
From: Lance Muir [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Reply-To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Let's just assume that you are correct in your assumption is quite correct
concerning the 'dreaded' DaveH (I actually don't believe you are), can't you
just overlook it and, move on? My goodness Perry, it's turning into the
mountain/molehill thingy.
- Original Message -
From: Charles
Lance,
I will not argue with you on Gary's credentials as you have stated them.
But, I have rarely seen a post of his that I have understood. People, in
general, don't think and communicate like Gary, so much of the time it
sounds to me like he is speaking a foreign language. His style of
Lance,
Perhaps, then, it is time that Dave and I take this discussion off line.
I agree it has become tiresome, and must be a pain for the bulk of TT to
wade through. I will respond to his latest post offline and suggest we keep
it there.
Thanks for speaking up.
Perry
From: Lance Muir
And so from your lofty perch up there (in what Kevin
calls Canukustan) you are going to pronounce judgment
and tell us who had it "together?". How you (and
he) justify such behavior is beyond me, no matter what the
technicalities; especially since even a child is known
by his behavior. jt
It was not Sladewho was rude and condescending. Additionally, he got tired of some speaking as if they knew what they were talking about, when in fact, they did not. I stay on TT because I like the abuse.
JD-Original Message-From: Judy Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED]comTo: [EMAIL
I do believe that should 'one' mistakenly take
David or Judy seriously then, 'one's' stay would be foreshortened on TT. Just
smile a virtual smile and, have some fun with 'em. The real difficulty is how
seriously they take themselves.
- Original Message -
From:
[EMAIL
Esoteric is your only defense for such claims, DM. The kingdom age is not an extention of the OT economyexcept in the sense of the egg and the chicken. Eggs are one thing -- youdeal with in ways that are very different from the next level of life - the chicken. The New Covenant is that
Rollin Stones Magazine?
-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Charles Perry Locke
Sent: Saturday, May 28, 2005 12:52 PM
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Subject: Re: [Bulk] [TruthTalk] Ad hominem arguments
Lance,
I will not argue with you
Oh, well, wed all leave under those circumstances. Iz
Additionally, he got tired of some speaking as if they
knew what they were talking about, when in fact, they did not.
JD
David Miller wrote:
Ok, guys, this makes it clear that a new moderator is in order.
For some reason, Gary won't correspond with me,
===
It's a new kind of love, David. You wouldn't understand.
Terry
Lance Muir wrote:
Word is, Terry, that he's also a gun
totin', tabaccee chewin' good ol' boy when off TT.
=
If he chews, he is probably a ball player, and you know how THEY are.
:-)
I don't cite scripture to support some position or
other outside of it. My aim in life is to be a "doer" of God's Word
rather than a self deceived hearer only. IMO you
paint with one of the broadest brushes ever Lance. "Genuine" believer is not the
point. What they believe genuinely is the
-Original Message-From: David Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED]orgTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]innglory.orgSent: Sat, 28 May 2005 10:53:28 -0400Subject: Re: [Bulk] [TruthTalk] Ad hominem arguments
John wrote:
You are a legalist, David.
Thank you. Nothing wrong with being a legalist. God is a
On Sat, 28 May 2005 18:04:47 -0400 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:John
wrote:You are a legalist, David.
David wrote: Thank you. Nothing wrong with being a legalist.
God is a legalist too. Read the Torah and study why Jesus had to die for
your sins.
John responds: There can be no argument that
when did you come
to this conclusion?
On Sat, 28 May 2005 11:55:16 -0700 "Charles Perry
Locke" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
writes:||
[CP-DaveH dialog] must be a pain for..TT
towade through...||
I don't get it. -Original Message-From: ShieldsFamily [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Sat, 28 May 2005 16:18:44 -0500Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] New Moderator for TruthTalk
Oh, well, wed all leave under those circumstances. Iz
Additionally, he got tired
..Now there's spiritual warfare and flesh and blood
breaking down.Ya either got faith or ya got unbelief and there ain't no
neutral ground.The enemy is subtle, how be it we are so deceivedWhen the
truth's in our hearts and we still don't believe?..My so-called friends
have fallen under a
would the
moderatorprefer tofurnish TT an approvedlegal
briefonthis question or leave it as a virtual quid pro quo
?
In a message dated 5/27/2005 7:55:41 PM Mountain
Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
writes:
What was[the] message to Deegan when he called me a
liar? Liar is ok -- nuts is
John wrote: As such, there is no way of convicting you of your complicity apart from your willingness to stop with the game and cast the beam from your eye.You misunderstand. I am not playing any game.
Of course you are - at my expense -- but hey, the tickets are free. David Miller wrote: I
evidence suggests
DavidM's into forgery--for what purpose?
On Sat, 28 May 2005 19:41:22 -0400 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
John wrote: As such, there is no way of convicting you of
your complicity apart from your willingness to stop with the
game and cast the beam from your
David and on second thought -- enough said. I have made my point without successful a successful counter. We are done with this. No "Part III," folks.
Let's talk "kingdom" or some such thing.
By the way, Miller -- what is your hermeneutic? simply an esoteric knowing or do you actually have
a
good question; ftr,
tt evidence suggestsparallelism betw his hermeneutic and (e.g.) jt's;
the/irbed rockis philosophical while the Bible is
evaluated(conformed to) dualistic bias which yields a religious
ideology..biblical theologyhas no priority with them, no native
respectgiven to it for
Meaningless religious mumbo jumbo Gary; I don't have
any such"hermeneutic" in fact I totally reject theGk god Hermes along with the dualistic philosophy of Plato that
you haveaccused me of endlessly. If you would follow hard after God and
seek Him with your whole heart rather than give Him
There is no reason for rejecting thoughtful consideration of therevealed text. But you seem to be afraid of such."Hermeneutic" is not an evil word -- even your mentor, DM, would agree with this. I have book, chapter and verse for everything I believe in matters religious
John wrote:
... Christ took the curse of the Law away
... If righteousness came by the Law,
then Christ died in vain, David.
... to be justified by Law is to be fallen from grace.
...snip...
Enough, Bishop. You are preaching to the choir here. I agree with points
like these. My point was
DAVEH: Note to all TTers.Please do not read
my reply if you are tired of this discussion/disagreement between Perry
and me. I will change the subject line to make it easy for you to
delete any further discussions between us without reading them. Perry posted this to me off-line, and
DAVEH: Do you find or acknowledge an element of mysticism in your
religious beliefs, DavidM?
Thank you DaveH and
Blaine for sharing about astrology and mysticism in relation to
Mormonism. I found both your comments interesting to read.
Peace be with you.
David Miller.
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