From: "David Miller" [EMAIL PROTECTED]Judy
wrote: It is possible for things to be true and notGod's Truth -
there are two kinds of wisdom you know.
I would like you to elaborate a little more on this concept, Judy. Is the
concept of gravity God's truth or another kind of truth?
I'd say
DAVEH: I think I can agree with you on all you've posted below,
Kevin. That leads to the next question
Is 100% of what is found in any specific edition of the Bible God's
words?
...and, a follow up question to perpend
Is 100% of what God wants us to know found in the Bible?
Lance,
I would like to be able to agree with you and Jonathan
about this man's teaching but from where I sit it is downright dangerous. His Good Newsis all God and none
of us. So is this in line with the clear teaching of God's Word? I
understand he is a super smart theologian but I can not
Debbie writes:
Another "bicameral" statement madeon
TTis thatlove is the sum of the commandments.
I love "disobedient people" better when I focus on
God's unquenchable love for us. Where else could our love come from?
Just focusing or
visualizing love or the "incarnation" will not make
Anxious About Nothing
by Donna L. Watkins
Do not be anxious about anything ... Philippians 4:6a
Our world has become an excellent place to fear all when God says,
Fear Not! Advertising, media, news, and listening to other people's
fears have caused many Christians to join the world in
Caroline Wong wrote:
3)In your opinion, why do bright and
sincere Christians believe different doctrines? How do you decide who
is right? Is it by how well they match your thinking?
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BINGO! That
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Subject: A young Nun
A young Nun who worked for a local home health
care agency was out making her rounds when
she ran out of gas. As luck would have it, there
was a gas station just one block
Judy, when I say "focus" I'm not talking about
visualization or concentration. I'm talking about staking my life on the fact
that God loves us, letting God's love be my "ground". Then that shapes how I see
myself and other people. Yes, the walk is supernatural, and by faith.
Thankfully, we
DAVEH: While the gospel was delivered once for all, I don't
interpret that to mean once AND for all...never needing to be
delivered again or your theory the action occurred once and
will never occur again. Not only was the apostasy predicted (2Thes
2:3), but likewise the restoration was
DAVEH: Yes, KevinI believe they were Christians in that they were
attempting to baptize people for the purpose of salvationto fulfill
all righteousness, as our Lord and Savior set the example. Does the
Bible tell us they were not followers of Christ? If not, then my
assumption is just
On Wed, 27 Apr 2005 08:55:25 -0400 "Debbie Sawczak" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Judy, when I say "focus" I'm not talking about
visualization or concentration.
Hi Debbie:
Sure am glad to know that
I'm talking about staking my life on the fact
that God loves us, letting
Perry wrote:
Yes, I am aware of John MacArthur's biases.
Did you consider Zodhiates' position relative
to the translation of Hapax? He also indicates
that Hapax is used in a couple of different senses,
but specifically references Jude 3 as being one
of the instances similar to the
Debbie wrote:
I think some of us conservative-type believers on TT
dwell on God's love for the disobedient because we've
experienced a severe neglect of this in our own conservative
circles. Perhaps the other conservative-type believers have
seen a terrible neglect of teaching about how
Caroline wrote:
1) How many of you guys believe
- that you have 100% correct theology
- that you have 100% truth
- that this is easy for anyone
I would say nobody on this list.
Caroline wrote:
2) Can you name other theologians whom you
believe have no error in their theology?
No, but I
DAVEH wrote:
I think this is an example where Occam's Razor applies.
Why make some convoluted assumptions when the obvious
makes much more senseunless it steps on the toes of
traditional beliefs.
I think Kevin's perspective is the more simple one. The hurdle that your
perspective faces
Well, I guess anything is possible in the realm of the heretical mormon
system...but since the faith was indeed delivered once for all to the
saints, the need further revelation (e.g., bible-contradicting revelation of
the sort JS wrote) only denies the efficacy of Christ's sacrifice, and the
What assumptions are my findings based on in your opinion?Dave Hansen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
DAVEH: Yes, KevinI believe they were Christians in that they were attempting to baptize people for the purpose of salvationto fulfill all righteousness, as our Lord and Savior set the example.
What is so complicated with this perspective?
It does not fit the LDS preconceived indoctrination mindsetDavid Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
DAVEH wrote: I think this is an example where Occam's Razor applies. Why make some convoluted assumptions when the obvious makes much more senseunless
2) Can you name other theologians whom you believe have no error in their theology?
The ApostlesDavid Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Caroline wrote: 1) How many of you guys believe - that you have 100% correct theology - that you have 100% truth - that this is easy for anyoneI would say nobody
Put me on that list also Lance!
Lance?
Lance?
Lance?
Where did you go?
David Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Lance wrote: Take care, David, when saying 'If Christianity was not...' Jonathan being correct excludes neither you nor Izzy.You don't get it, Lance. If Jonathan is correct about
Not to get off the subject but I was wondering Dave. Being that you are a christian then, you may want to tell us a short Testimony of what Jesus is doing in your life. Christians are always testifying what the Lord has done for them, so go ahead praise the Lord! I would find this fascinating
Caroline wrote:
2) Can you name other theologians whom you
believe have no error in their theology?
Kevin wrote:
The Apostles
The Apostles were theologians?
Maybe the apostle Paul was, but were the Twelve Apostles theologians?
Peace be with you.
David Miller.
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Let your speech be
http://www.christianpost.com/article/editorial/332/section/is.this.evangelicalisms.terminal.generation/1.htm
Evangelicalisms terminal generation
EXCEPTS
On the theological left, the Gospel had long ago been transformed into a social and political message of liberation from oppression. Now, among
Point is please show me the ERROR in Pauls theology!David Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Caroline wrote: 2) Can you name other theologians whom you believe have no error in their theology?Kevin wrote: The ApostlesThe Apostles were theologians?Maybe the apostle Paul was, but were the Twelve
David wrote:
But this is ultimately what we all should be
looking forward to, the day when our bodies are discarded for new ones,
built in the image of Christ, according to his new resurrected
glory.
Absolutely anticipating that Day
(read on below), although it's transformed that our
Debbie
Interesting you should say this,
David, because some of us (well, OK, I!) have written previously that we won't
be through with sin until our salvation is complete, i.e., until the
resurrection; we're part of a groaning creation. That's one reasonI am
rather incredulous about your
Why is it, someone asks, that the two best
theologians currently writing on TT are both female? Irony, subtlety and acumen
seem to have absented themselves on the part of the more
thickheadedmales.
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From:
Debbie Sawczak
To:
Theologian=Rational discourse concerning. Excluding myself, doesn't that
include all of the Apostles and all TTers?? (I knew the use of the word
'rational' would 'cause' you to agree with me, David)
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From: David Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To:
myth [biblical salvation involves
receiving the Kingdom of God in Christ who died at the hands of corrupt rivals
tohis Throne where afterwards (e.g.) Stephen saw him 'standing'
alone at 'the right hand of God' (Acts 7:56) FTR, in biblical thought
there is no 'ingrafted Word', obviously a
'God' (it's just God Talk folks) was the missing word. How appropriate that
I was the one to have missed it ehh?
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To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: April 27, 2005 15:59
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What was it the Little Red Riding Hood said
regarding Grandmother's teeth?
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myth [biblical salvation involves
Have no idea G, I've put away childish things
jt
On Wed, 27 Apr 2005 16:17:30 -0400 "Lance Muir" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
What was it the Little Red Riding Hood said
regarding Grandmother's teeth?
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To:
Is there some reason why you do not believe James 1:21
to be Truth? jt
On Wed, 27 Apr 2005 14:06:45 -0600 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
myth [biblical salvation involves
receiving the Kingdom of God in Christ who died at the hands of corrupt rivals
tohis Throne where afterwards (e.g.)
Jt:Do you have a friend who, on an issue of some
substance, believes other than you do? If you are praying for one another over
this then, how is there to be a satisfactory resolution?
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From:
Judy
Taylor
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Cc:
What would you classify as "an issue of some substance
Lance?"
I don't go to ppl walking in unbelief and ask them to
pray for me; every American it seems says that they
pray, especially in times of trouble.
jt
On Wed, 27 Apr 2005 18:32:16 -0400 "Lance Muir" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Are you saying that you cannot take this
hypothetical and project it into a real life situation? It's not the 'issue' but
the means by which some resolution could be achieved that I'm interested
in.
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From:
Judy
Taylor
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
I haven't a clue what you are looking for Lance; I
don't pay much mind to hypothesis and/or the
hypothetical and I don't ask the whole world to pray
for me. What exactly are you trying to get at Lance?
On Wed, 27 Apr 2005 19:08:39 -0400 "Lance Muir" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Are you
I join Roseanne Roseannadanna in her famous
rejoinder - 'Never mind'
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From:
Judy
Taylor
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Cc: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: April 27, 2005 19:19
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Torrance
I haven't
Right-O, no worries ...
On Wed, 27 Apr 2005 19:41:37 -0400 "Lance Muir" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
I join Roseanne Roseannadanna in her famous
rejoinder - 'Never mind'
From: Judy Taylor
I haven't a clue what you are looking for Lance; I
don't pay much mind to
Don't you believe there is anyone else who sees these
thingsas I do Lance?
Do you believe me to be an aberration?
jt
On Wed, 27 Apr 2005 19:41:37 -0400 "Lance Muir" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
I join Roseanne Roseannadanna in her famous
rejoinder - 'Never mind'
From: Judy Taylor
God would convert the both of them to a third point
of view.
Debbie
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Judy
Taylor
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Cc: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: Wednesday, April 27, 2005 6:54
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Don't you believe there is anyone else who sees these
thingsas I do Lance? Do you believe me to
be an aberration?
Actually we do move in different worlds, not that the
cultures are that far apart but our interests most certainly are.
I wouldn't have a clue what Roseanne says or if it is
What would be the point of that since He has already
given us His POV? My personal belief is that God wants us to be in
wholehearted agreement with Him, laying all else
aside, and gathering around His Word as in Malachi and thiswill happen
before the end. jt
On Wed, 27 Apr 2005 20:13:53
No error, Kevin, but only the complexities of life.
He agreed with his elders at the Jerusalem council
that the Gentile converts should abstain from meat sacrificed to idols, from
blood, from the meat of strangled animals and from sexual immorality. [Acts 15]
but later wrote to the
keep in mind that jt's 'receiving the
ingrafted Word' has nothin' to do with James, nor with JC
On Wed, 27 Apr 2005 20:13:53 -0400 "Debbie Sawczak" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
God would convert the both of them to a third
point of view.
Debbie
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Judy and I thank you. J Izzy
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Why is it, someone asks, that the two best
Lance, what is your solution to that
dilemma when it occurs? Izzy
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Behalf Of Lance Muir
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4:32 PM
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Jt:Do you have
But the Amish women do wear dresses. Izzy
From:
[EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Caroline Wong
Only the Amish do better because they also don't wear jewellery, perfume
or make-up.
BLAINE: It is ON-GOING REVELATION that Kevin does not believe in. His theme
is, as always, that revelation ceased with the apostles' deaths. Can you or
Kevin furnish me with any scripture that substantiates this false--VERY
false--doctrine?
Blaine, check out Jude 3. The faith was
Most holiness churches teach that women should wear dresses only. It's based on
the idea that women should not wear men clothing. The Amish probably follow
Paul's teaching best. Of course, there are Amish who are proud or who like to
gossip. I know quite a few Mennonite ladies who faithfully
BLAINE: As DavidH indicates, the truth should always be obvious, otherwise how
could the common man be expected to recognize it? You evangelicals rely too
much on those who are dressed in scholarly robes, and seek deep to
manufacture doctrine.
. . . for the wisdom of their wise men shall
If there are no further revelations since 1st century AD, then all the visions
David Miller has are false. Surely Kevin does not believe that. Perhaps what he
meant is that God will never say or do anything that will contradict what has
been revealed by Jesus and the bible.
Love,
Caroline
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