Re: [TruthTalk] Condition of heart of unregenerate gentiles

2005-12-18 Thread ttxpress
..is it better for a Christian to read the Bible or leave it on the shelf? On Sun, 18 Dec 2005 00:36:23 -0700 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: ..mercy me (the same question again,Bro--but did you ever wonder how much error actually qualifies Bible readers as trulyChristian? :) ||

Re: [TruthTalk] Condition of heart of unregenerate gentiles

2005-12-18 Thread ttxpress
..it doesn't matter as long as its the KJV? On Sun, 18 Dec 2005 01:36:33 -0700 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: ..is it better for a Christian to read the Bible or leave it on the shelf? On Sun, 18 Dec 2005 00:36:23 -0700 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: ..mercy me (the same

[TruthTalk] Fw: The tree

2005-12-18 Thread Lance Muir
- Original Message - From: Debbie Sawczak To: Lance Muir Sent: December 17, 2005 19:28 Subject: The tree A little while ago I mentioned in an e-mail that I thought I had just understood something about the tree of knowledge of good and evil. I now think my conclusion is sort of a

[TruthTalk] Fw: what is new for me

2005-12-18 Thread Lance Muir
- Original Message - From: Debbie Sawczak To: Lance Muir Sent: December 17, 2005 19:43 Subject: what is new for me is not the understanding that this is our condition. What is new is the connection between that condition and "knowledge ofgood and evil"--that this is the meaning

[TruthTalk] Fw: in other words

2005-12-18 Thread Lance Muir
- Original Message - From: Debbie Sawczak To: Lance Muir Sent: December 17, 2005 22:28 Subject: in other words ...knowing good and evil substitutes for knowing God. D

[TruthTalk] Banning/Shunning not the same thing

2005-12-18 Thread Lance Muir
Once banned, I assume that such may stay on TT for the purpose of reading. Is this so? L

Re: [TruthTalk] Banning/Shunning not the same thing

2005-12-18 Thread Judy Taylor
Who has been banned? DaveH received a last warning,he apparently got offended and banned himself and now Blaine ahs taken up an offense for him and possibly you also Lance.. Why? On Sun, 18 Dec 2005 06:21:06 -0500 "Lance Muir" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Once banned, I assume that such may

[TruthTalk] MORMONS ON TT

2005-12-18 Thread Lance Muir
In my run on sentence post this week I identified the god and the salvation in which Mormons place their trust. The response confirmed that I was 'on the money'. The recent conversation on the Garden vs the Cross further elucidated Mormon distinctives. Yet again, the parallel drawn between

Re: [TruthTalk] Banning/Shunning not the same thing

2005-12-18 Thread Lance Muir
Judy: David Miller, the list owner, opened participation on TT to such as these. The current moderator (CPL) is a rabid anti-Mormon. Others (Dean/Kevin) have chosen to engage the Mormon contingent in an inflammatory mannner in almost every post. I must say that I no longer believe that the

Re: [TruthTalk] Condition of heart of unregenerate gentiles

2005-12-18 Thread Judy Taylor
Why wouldn't a believer believe it? It is demonstrated right in the NT scriptures and it's called the Baptism of Jesus. On Sun, 18 Dec 2005 00:00:30 -0700 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: CPL, Are [Bible] readers whobelieve that JC taught that encouraging the baptism of the HS for the

Re: [TruthTalk] Condition of heart of unregenerate gentiles

2005-12-18 Thread Judy Taylor
Sure they do, they camp around John Calvin don't they? Why do you think there are so many different doctrines all claiming to be the truth? On Sun, 18 Dec 2005 00:11:04 -0700 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: ..do Bible readers 'camp' around theological error in your neck of the woods?

Re: [TruthTalk] Banning/Shunning not the same thing

2005-12-18 Thread Judy Taylor
You've definitely thought it through; after the first week I never did believe they were here to learn anything other than possibly tips on how to better prepare their Missionaries. I've heard that those boys/girls have all the answers. I don't know about Perry being rabid. He has

Re: [TruthTalk] Condition of heart of unregenerate gentiles

2005-12-18 Thread Lance Muir
Judy:Please expand on 'The Baptism of Jesus' as you've come to understand it?. - Original Message - From: Judy Taylor To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Cc: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: December 18, 2005 06:47 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Condition of

Re: [TruthTalk] Condition of heart of unregenerate gentiles

2005-12-18 Thread Judy Taylor
You might call them "orthodox unbelievers" who follow the doctrines of men rather than the WOG On Sun, 18 Dec 2005 00:20:48 -0700 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: ..if so, (we know they ain't classic Protestants, but :)are they Christians? On Sun, 18 Dec 2005 00:11:04 -0700 [EMAIL

Re: [TruthTalk] Condition of heart of unregenerate gentiles

2005-12-18 Thread Lance Muir
With apologies (sort of) in advance to David Miller and Linda Shields, I ask you once again, Judy: Do you believe that you are MORE DISCERNING THAN JOHN CALVIN? IMO, your regard for Scriptures appears to be second to nobody on TT. (regard NOT being the same thing as understanding). However,

Re: [TruthTalk] Condition of heart of unregenerate gentiles

2005-12-18 Thread Judy Taylor
I do Lance, this is why I try to stick with scripture -in spite of your belief that all I have isregard for same. Oh well, guess the Promise does not mean as much to you. On Sun, 18 Dec 2005 07:07:08 -0500 "Lance Muir" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: With apologies (sort of) in advance to

Re: [TruthTalk] Condition of heart of unregenerate gentiles

2005-12-18 Thread Judy Taylor
You will have to ask Jesus. He is the one who gives the condition which is abiding in His Word. Those who don't abide become dead branches - which are cut off and burned. His is the std. On Sun, 18 Dec 2005 00:36:23 -0700 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: ..mercy me (the same question

Re: [TruthTalk] Condition of heart of unregenerate gentiles

2005-12-18 Thread Judy Taylor
Would Calvinistic heresay be acceptable Lance? Where did the doctrine called Calvinism come from if not from him? What should we call doctrine taken from his institutes and taught in our 20th Century Churches? Can I call it teachings of Calvin that Lance calls hearsay? On Sun, 18 Dec 2005

Re: [TruthTalk] sweat

2005-12-18 Thread Dean Moore
- Original Message - From: To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: 12/17/2005 5:36:58 PM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] sweat BLOOD is the key word, I think--which he shed in large quantitiesin Gethsemane--apparently more than he actually shed on Calvary. When he returns he will be

Re: [TruthTalk] Cross

2005-12-18 Thread Dean Moore
- Original Message - From: To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org;TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: 12/17/2005 8:46:47 PM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Cross Have you dealt with the puzzle correctly? I want to say "yes" except that I do not understand "c c". Perhaps you missed the point.

Re: [TruthTalk] Condition of heart of unregenerate gentiles

2005-12-18 Thread Lance Muir
YOU JUDY are not entitled to call it anything, IMO. You've not done, insofar as I know, any reading of primary source material (2 vol Institutes, Commentaries). It's akin to hearing an atheist condemn the teachings of the Scriptures based upon the same sort of evidentiary inquiry that

Re: [TruthTalk] Condition of heart of unregenerate gentiles

2005-12-18 Thread Lance Muir
Judy qualifies, IMO. - Original Message - From: Judy Taylor To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Cc: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: December 18, 2005 07:17 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Condition of heart of "unregenerate" gentiles You will have to ask

Re: [TruthTalk] Banning/Shunning not the same thing

2005-12-18 Thread Dean Moore
- Original Message - From: Lance Muir To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: 12/18/2005 6:48:16 AM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Banning/Shunning not the same thing Judy: David Miller, the list owner, opened participation on TT to such as these. The current moderator (CPL) is a rabid

Re: [TruthTalk] Condition of heart of unregenerate gentiles

2005-12-18 Thread Judy Taylor
It is all over the scriptures Lance - Promised in the OT and received in the NT John baptized and his baptism was one of repentance Luke 3:3 But Johnspoke of the baptism of Jesus Luke 12:50 Jesus spoke of it Himself ... Matt 3:11 It is reinterated in Acts 1:5 Receivedduring Passover

Re: [TruthTalk] Banning/Shunning not the same thing

2005-12-18 Thread Lance Muir
ON STREET PREACHING:I've done it (yes, I actually have) I've seen it by practiced by others. Praise God for SOME of it! What I've gleaned from David Miller, you and, Kevin, IMO, does not fall into that 'SOME' category. The lot of you may have driven as many away from as to the Gospel.

Re: [TruthTalk] Condition of heart of unregenerate gentiles

2005-12-18 Thread Lance Muir
And, I'm accused of DBP's? In this season of advent Judy,it is difficult to over emphasize the significance of the INCARNATION! Do you believe in baptism in the name of The Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit or baptism in the name of Jesus ONLY? - Original Message - From:

Re: [TruthTalk] Condition of heart of unregenerate gentiles

2005-12-18 Thread Judy Taylor
I wonder if the Bereans had done any reading of primary source material when they examined what Paul preached. Also the apostle John, I wonder if he had read source materialwhen he exhorted 1st Century Christians not to even wish a false teacher "godspeed" for if they did they would be a

Re: [TruthTalk] Condition of heart of unregenerate gentiles

2005-12-18 Thread Judy Taylor
Here we go again .. Now you are going to negate the whole teaching having to do with Jesus' baptism in the Holy Spirit over this "incarnational" thing along with the Nicean teaching about "trinity" - If it is a baptism of repentance then I am sure the Lord understands. What did Philip

Re: [TruthTalk] Condition of heart of unregenerate gentiles

2005-12-18 Thread Lance Muir
Were I prone to worry Judy, YOU would not be among those about whom I would. Why? I perceive you to be a completely and utterly genuine believer, who esteems the Scriptures highly and who lives what she believes. Now, when it comes to the hurling of epithets at those servants of God about

Re: [TruthTalk] Saturday Sabbath

2005-12-18 Thread Dean Moore
- Original Message - From: Terry Clifton To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: 12/17/2005 8:04:43 PM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Saturday Sabbath Dean Moore wrote: As for the Commandments being only for the Jews you are wrong-dead wrong. The ceremonial law (ie. the Holy Feast

Re: [TruthTalk] Condition of heart of unregenerate gentiles

2005-12-18 Thread Judy Taylor
I have yet to hurl anepithet anywhere Lance. My objectionto Calvinism is for some very specific reasons with or without "firsthand knowledge or intricate and specific detail" about Calvin the man.His teachings are enough. I will leave the man to God. I have no desire to be an expert on

Re: [TruthTalk] Banning/Shunning not the same thing

2005-12-18 Thread Dean Moore
- Original Message - From: Lance Muir To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: 12/18/2005 8:55:49 AM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Banning/Shunning not the same thing ON STREET PREACHING:I've done it (yes, I actually have) I've seen it by practiced by others. Praise God for SOME of it!

Re: [TruthTalk] Condition of heart of unregenerate gentiles

2005-12-18 Thread Lance Muir
Where you reflect IGNORANCE and, choose to remain thus, I leave to your choosing. Where you choose to speak ill of God's servants, I await a warning from either David Miller or Linda Shields. Why, I wonder do I believe neither to be forthcoming? - Original Message - From:

Re: [TruthTalk] Banning/Shunning not the same thing

2005-12-18 Thread Judy Taylor
True - this is insulting Lance when most of what Kevin Deanpost are their own writings which are from Mormon sources. No point in confronting them with the Bible alone since they have no frame of reference because they are blinded by Mormon teachings which do not make any sense to meand

Re: [TruthTalk] Condition of heart of unregenerate gentiles

2005-12-18 Thread Judy Taylor
Are both Linda and DavidM IYO Calvinists Lance? Maybe it is not forthcoming because they are willing to allow someone to hold an opinion that is different from their own which is something your mentors could not abide and so it seems neither can you. On Sun, 18 Dec 2005 09:26:02 -0500

Re: [TruthTalk] Banning/Shunning not the same thing

2005-12-18 Thread Lance Muir
'THESE GUYS' speak a TRUTH capable of being understood, WITH THE AID OF THE SPIRIT OF GOD, by anyone. - Original Message - From: Dean Moore To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: December 18, 2005 09:23 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Banning/Shunning not the same

Re: [TruthTalk] Condition of heart of unregenerate gentiles

2005-12-18 Thread Lance Muir
Oh yaa...wellsputter...sputter...ya gots me! - Original Message - From: Judy Taylor To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Cc: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: December 18, 2005 09:34 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Condition of heart of "unregenerate" gentiles

Re: [TruthTalk] Banning/Shunning not the same thing

2005-12-18 Thread Judy Taylor
Only for those with ears to hear what the Holy Spirit is saying - some are more interested in the teachings of "other spirits" On Sun, 18 Dec 2005 09:36:52 -0500 "Lance Muir" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: 'THESE GUYS' speak a TRUTH capable of being understood, WITH THE AID OF THE SPIRIT OF

Re: [TruthTalk] Condition of heart of unregenerate gentiles

2005-12-18 Thread Dean Moore
- Original Message - From: Judy Taylor To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Cc: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: 12/18/2005 9:22:08 AM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Condition of heart of "unregenerate" gentiles I have yet to hurl anepithet anywhere Lance. My objectionto Calvinism is for

Re: [TruthTalk] Banning/Shunning not the same thing

2005-12-18 Thread Judy Taylor
Oophs! I forgot - Calvin's teachings say that when God decrees something you are forced to acknowledge it whether you want to or not leavingno room for deception. So the ones who will nothear are just not part of the "select of the elect" and God did not decree it for them. There does that

Re: [TruthTalk] Condition of heart of unregenerate gentiles

2005-12-18 Thread Judy Taylor
Hi Dean: Thanks for your response and please pray for me. I am in a Reformed Church right now ONLY to encourage our son and DIL who want to raise our grandson in Church but the more I learn about it the worse it becomes. Our Pastor is smart, charismatic, and has been to three different Bible

Re: [TruthTalk] The law of Moses and other laws of God

2005-12-18 Thread Dean Moore
cd: Lord willing I will attempt do so shortly. - Original Message - From: To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org;TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Cc: Terry Clifton Sent: 12/17/2005 8:54:19 PM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The law of Moses and other laws of God Dean, I would love to see you try

[TruthTalk] [Fwd: [Infinite Supply] Sunday, December 18, 2005]

2005-12-18 Thread Terry Clifton
-- This little daily blurb seems to point out the real difference between the Mormon religion and living by faith :: For I determined to not know anything among you, save Jesus Christ, and Him crucified (I Corinthians 2:2). Religion

Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: The tree

2005-12-18 Thread knpraise
Itis nice to read an article that presents one with something to think about other than "why on earth is this person saying this !!??" More than this, we have words that give us something to consider after we have finished the reading. The post has a crescendo effect all the way to the very last

Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: The tree

2005-12-18 Thread knpraise
One other thought: it seems to me that Eve is first confused by outside influences (the snake) and then - out of this confusion -- she commits the sin. I mean, she is created in the image of God and , yet, the temptation is "you will become like God." Can it be said that sin springs from this

Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: what is new for me

2005-12-18 Thread knpraise
And this: Wemeasure the options against principlesinstead of responding/submitting to a Person. -- Original message -- From: "Lance Muir" [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: Debbie Sawczak To: Lance Muir Sent: December 17, 2005 19:43 Subject: what

Re: [TruthTalk] Condition of heart of unregenerate gentiles

2005-12-18 Thread knpraise
Oh well, guess the Promise does not mean as much to you. It is this constant bit ofjudging that renders your influence nil. To speak as if you know anything at all about Lance and his attachment to the "promise" is not just misinformed -- it is a cheap ad hom . And be sure to respond with

Re: [TruthTalk] Condition of heart of unregenerate gentiles

2005-12-18 Thread knpraise
Maybe you should ask your Calvinist pastor? -- Original message -- From: Judy Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED] Would Calvinistic heresay be acceptable Lance? Where did the doctrine called Calvinism come from if not from him? What should we call doctrine taken from his

Re: [TruthTalk] sweat

2005-12-18 Thread Charles Perry Locke
Gary, It seems to me that Blaine's questions are so far out of scope of what the Bible teaches, that either he is intentionally playing stupid to encourage debate, or has not read the Bible enough to understand the issues. (There are some other minor possiibilities, but these seemlike the two

Re: [TruthTalk] Cross

2005-12-18 Thread knpraise
Isolate the code symbols -- "jwill tnot refer kto them by dname " -- Original message -- From: "Dean Moore" [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org;TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: 12/17/2005 8:46:47 PM Subject: Re:

Re: [TruthTalk] Condition of heart of unregenerate gentiles

2005-12-18 Thread Charles Perry Locke
Gary wrote, CPL, Are [Bible] readers *who believe that JC taught that encouraging the baptism of the HS for the already converted 'sums up the Law and Prophets'* Christian/s? [asterisks by CPL] Depends. Were these Bible readers Christians to begin with? I don't think that having that

Re: [TruthTalk] Banning/Shunning not the same thing

2005-12-18 Thread knpraise
Dean, I have been here nearly two years. I do not consider this to be a SP site and it is not. The Elmsman lists (and there are many) is a SP assemply -- complete with fist fighting, and all levels of apostate filth of speech. jd -- Original message -- From: "Dean

Re: [TruthTalk] Condition of heart of unregenerate gentiles

2005-12-18 Thread Charles Perry Locke
Not really. But, is also depends on the nature of the error. Everyone has error in their theology, in my opinion. The question in my mind is how much error is too much error? How far can one get from the true meaning of the gospel message before they are outside of Christianity. While I cannot

Re: [TruthTalk] Condition of heart of unregenerate gentiles

2005-12-18 Thread Charles Perry Locke
Gary, I do not classify who is a Christian and who is not along denominational lines. Christians are those who are members of the body of Christ. You can tell when one of them becomes a Christian...at the same time they become an ex-them. Perry From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To:

Re: [TruthTalk] Condition of heart of unregenerate gentiles

2005-12-18 Thread Charles Perry Locke
If they were, they would be ex-them. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Condition of heart of unregenerate gentiles Date: Sun, 18 Dec 2005 00:20:48 -0700 ..if so, (we know they ain't classic Protestants, but

Re: [TruthTalk] Condition of heart of unregenerate gentiles

2005-12-18 Thread Charles Perry Locke
I qualified that in a previous post. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Condition of heart of unregenerate gentiles Date: Sun, 18 Dec 2005 00:36:23 -0700 ..mercy me (the same question again,Bro--but did you

RE: [TruthTalk] Banning/Shunning not the same thing

2005-12-18 Thread ShieldsFamily
Agreed. Which is why I have never paid much attention to them. iz From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lance Muir Sent: Sunday, December 18, 2005 5:48 AM To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Banning/Shunning not the same thing

Re: [TruthTalk] Condition of heart of unregenerate gentiles

2005-12-18 Thread Charles Perry Locke
If you are still addressing me, Gary, it is absolutely better to read it. Perry From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Condition of heart of unregenerate gentiles Date: Sun, 18 Dec 2005 01:36:33 -0700 ..is it

RE: [TruthTalk] Banning/Shunning not the same thing

2005-12-18 Thread ShieldsFamily
Agreed, jt. iz From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Judy Taylor Sent: Sunday, December 18, 2005 5:55 AM To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Cc: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Banning/Shunning not the same thing You've definitely

Re: [TruthTalk] Condition of heart of unregenerate gentiles

2005-12-18 Thread knpraise
Amen Judy ? Get a life. Judy writes as if she knows the reading habits of the Bereans or the Apostle John. Since John is so obviously writing to those who are not of Jewish traditional thought, I would say his reading of others is substantial.Paul is admittedly well read. What I do know is

Re: [TruthTalk] Condition of heart of unregenerate gentiles

2005-12-18 Thread knpraise
Your pastors name? Sounds as though he has it going on ! jd -- Original message -- From: Judy Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hi Dean: Thanks for your response and please pray for me. I am in a Reformed Church right now ONLY to encourage our son and DIL who want to

Re: [TruthTalk] The law of Moses and other laws of God

2005-12-18 Thread knpraise
Thanks, jd -- Original message -- From: "Dean Moore" [EMAIL PROTECTED] cd: Lord willing I will attempt do so shortly. - Original Message - From: To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org;TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Cc: Terry Clifton Sent: 12/17/2005 8:54:19 PM

Re: [TruthTalk] Condition of heart of unregenerate gentiles

2005-12-18 Thread Charles Perry Locke
Gary, While I prefer the KJV, I am not a KJV only advocate and believe that the crimson thread of salvation is evident in all of the popular translations, and all can lead one to salvation. However, when one begins to study the Bible more deeply, I believe that comparing several

RE: [TruthTalk] Saturday Sabbath

2005-12-18 Thread ShieldsFamily
So now we are full circlethis is about how it ended up when I was discussing it, too, Dean. Nice try, and thank you. izzy cd Actually Terry I am trying to free you from error-and release you from false teachings but as you are determined -I honor you request-and will not

RE: [TruthTalk] Condition of heart of unregenerate gentiles

2005-12-18 Thread ShieldsFamily
Lance I cannot defend or denounce Calvin, as I am not that familiar with him. So far as I can tell, Im not in agreement with his doctrines, but am not interested enough to care. Sorry to disappoint you. iz From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Judy

RE: [TruthTalk] Banning/Shunning not the same thing

2005-12-18 Thread Charles Perry Locke
Lance, and all, I removed Dave from the list entirely until we could resolve the issues at hand off-line. I suspect he will be returning soon. Perry the Moderator From: Lance Muir [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Subject: [TruthTalk]

RE: [TruthTalk] Fw: what is new for me

2005-12-18 Thread ShieldsFamily
If we really know the Person, our principles will reflect Him perfectly. There is no dichotomy for those walking in the Spirit. iz From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, December 18, 2005 9:56 AM To:

Re: [TruthTalk] [Fwd: [Infinite Supply] Sunday, December 18, 2005]

2005-12-18 Thread knpraise
The instrument of our death is chosen for us, as well as the manner in which it is carried out, the timing and the duration of the execution - all is controlled by Another. There is nothing to be done, for we must submit to the Unseen Hand and cast ourselves completely upon Him. tc good stuff.

RE: [TruthTalk] Fw: The tree

2005-12-18 Thread ShieldsFamily
Confusion only comes from questioning God words. We only do that when we prefer the snakes words. Confusion is the result of attempted compromise. Compromise is simply disobedience wearing grey. Iz PS The snake offers immediate gratification. The result is inevitable degradation.

RE: [TruthTalk] Banning/Shunning not the same thing

2005-12-18 Thread knpraise
And Judy -- understand tht DH did not take himself off the list. -- Original message -- From: "Charles Perry Locke" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Lance, and all, I removed Dave from the list entirely until we could resolve the issues at hand off-line. I suspect he will be

RE: [TruthTalk] sweat

2005-12-18 Thread ShieldsFamily
rev.11And I saw heaven opened, and behold a white horse; and he that sat upon him was called Faithful and True, and in righteousness he doth judge and make war. 12His eyes were as a flame of fire, and on his head were many crowns; and he had a name written, that no man knew, but he

RE: [TruthTalk] sweat

2005-12-18 Thread ShieldsFamily
BTW, Blainedid you miss seeing The Passion? Dont you know that Jesus was so covered with blood from the scourging that He was unrecognizable? iz From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dean Moore Sent: Sunday, December 18, 2005 7:12 AM To:

Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: what is new for me

2005-12-18 Thread Terry Clifton
If your principles reflect Him perfectly, would your speech and behavior also do the same? ShieldsFamily wrote: If we really know the Person, our principles will reflect Him perfectly. There is no dichotomy

Re: [TruthTalk] Banning/Shunning not the same thing

2005-12-18 Thread Judy Taylor
Calm down JD - the Moderator has already taken care of all this by himself. On Sun, 18 Dec 2005 17:53:50 + [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: And Judy -- understand tht DH did not take himself off the list. -- Original message -- From: "Charles Perry Locke"

Re: [TruthTalk] Condition of heart of unregenerate gentiles

2005-12-18 Thread Judy Taylor
On Sun, 18 Dec 2005 16:52:31 + [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Oh well, guess the Promise does not mean as much to you. It is this constant bit ofjudging that renders your influence nil. Bit of judging? I am just reflecting back to Lance what he has already written to

Re: [TruthTalk] Condition of heart of unregenerate gentiles

2005-12-18 Thread Judy Taylor
On Sun, 18 Dec 2005 17:25:51 + [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes to Dean: Amen Judy ? Get a life. You are one insulting somebody JD. Judy writes as if she knows the reading habits of the Bereans or the Apostle John.Since John is so obviously writing to those who are not of

Re: [TruthTalk] Condition of heart of unregenerate gentiles

2005-12-18 Thread Judy Taylor
He does JD and if he left almost the whole church would go with him. It is definitely "he" who has it "going on" rather thanthe Lord. You would like him. You could laugh at all his jokes appreciate all the books he has read and cites in his sermons and join his pastorlyfollowing especially

Re: [TruthTalk] Banning/Shunning not the same thing

2005-12-18 Thread knpraise
I am not excited, Judy. Just correcting something you said in an earlier post. -- Original message -- From: Judy Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED] Calm down JD - the Moderator has already taken care of all this by himself. On Sun, 18 Dec 2005 17:53:50 + [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: [TruthTalk] Condition of heart of unregenerate gentiles

2005-12-18 Thread knpraise
-- Original message -- From: Judy Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Sun, 18 Dec 2005 16:52:31 + [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Oh well, guess the Promise does not mean as much to you. It is this constant bit ofjudging that renders your influence nil. Bit of judging? I

Re: [TruthTalk] Condition of heart of unregenerate gentiles

2005-12-18 Thread knpraise
Yes, he sounds like a wonderful pastor. And I bet that God has much more to do with his life that you could (obviously) imagine. Whose next on your list -- the BSF?? -- Original message -- From: Judy Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED] He does JD and if he left almost the whole

Re: [TruthTalk] Condition of heart of unregenerate gentiles

2005-12-18 Thread Judy Taylor
Unlike some - I don't entertain vain imaginations JD - On Sun, 18 Dec 2005 21:49:25 + [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Yes, he sounds like a wonderful pastor. And I bet that God has much more to do with his life that you could (obviously) imagine. Whose next on your list -- the

Re: [TruthTalk] Condition of heart of unregenerate gentiles

2005-12-18 Thread Judy Taylor
On Sun, 18 Dec 2005 21:45:28 + [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: absolute nonsense. We are told to oppose the false teacher, correct? This implies that we can make judgments as to whether one understands or not. You do it[judgeother's understandingin regard to thewritten word] all the time --

[TruthTalk] Condition of heart of unregenerate gentiles

2005-12-18 Thread Judy Taylor
JD Lance's savior writes: Where has Lance ever judged your faith in God and Christ, your commitment to scripture, your claim to salvation , or your practice of the faith? NOWHERE. You , on the other, make such sommits a way of life. The following JD is a judgment; Lances judgment with

Re: [TruthTalk] Condition of heart of unregenerate gentiles

2005-12-18 Thread knpraise
Oh of course you do. This very response proves it !! :-) jd -- Original message -- From: Judy Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unlike some - I don't entertain vain imaginations JD - On Sun, 18 Dec 2005 21:49:25 + [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Yes, he sounds like a wonderful

Re: [TruthTalk] Condition of heart of unregenerate gentiles

2005-12-18 Thread Judy Taylor
Once more you run right over the top of me JD; you don't respect me as a person or as another believer in Christ with a different take on just about everything. I would rather you disagree rationally stating why you don't see it the same as me. Your response is offensive just as offensive as

RE: [TruthTalk] Fw: what is new for me

2005-12-18 Thread ShieldsFamily
If you are walking in the Spirit, yes. iz From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Terry Clifton Sent: Sunday, December 18, 2005 1:38 PM To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: what is new for me If your principles reflect Him

Re: [TruthTalk] Condition of heart of unregenerate gentiles

2005-12-18 Thread knpraise
what you and the others write is very complicated and at times Look, so you don't careabout my writing style. That post I did most recently - about creation and the redemptive nature of God (?) I am telling you things would be happier for you if you take something like -- or one of Bill's

Re: [TruthTalk] Condition of heart of unregenerate gentiles

2005-12-18 Thread Dean Moore
- Original Message - From: Judy Taylor To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Cc: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: 12/18/2005 10:00:01 AM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Condition of heart of "unregenerate" gentiles Hi Dean: Thanks for your response and please pray for me. I am in a

Re: [TruthTalk] Condition of heart of unregenerate gentiles

2005-12-18 Thread Blainerb473
In a message dated 12/17/2005 12:41:17 P.M. Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: you manipulate it too, as clearly proven On Sat, 17 Dec 2005 14:28:17 -0500 Judy Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: || I quote..scripture as written in the KJV Bible I

Re: [TruthTalk] Banning/Shunning not the same thing

2005-12-18 Thread Dean Moore
- Original Message - From: To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org;TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: 12/18/2005 12:07:43 PM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Banning/Shunning not the same thing Dean, I have been here nearly two years. I do not consider this to be a SP site and it is not. The

RE: [TruthTalk] Saturday Sabbath

2005-12-18 Thread Dean Moore
- Original Message - From: ShieldsFamily To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: 12/18/2005 12:29:58 PM Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Saturday Sabbath So now we are full circle—this is about how it ended up when I was discussing it, too, Dean. Nice try, and thank you. izzy cd: This

RE: [TruthTalk] sweat

2005-12-18 Thread Dean Moore
cd: Thanks Izzy. - Original Message - From: ShieldsFamily To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: 12/18/2005 1:14:14 PM Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] sweat rev.11And I saw heaven opened, and behold a white horse; and he that sat upon him was called Faithful and True, and in

Re: [TruthTalk] Cross

2005-12-18 Thread Dean Moore
- Original Message - From: To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org;TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: 12/18/2005 12:01:12 PM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Cross Isolate the code symbols -- "jwill tnot refer kto them by dname " cd: jt-kd.I see only kone dproblem. -- Original

Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: The tree

2005-12-18 Thread Dean Moore
- Original Message - From: To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org;TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: 12/18/2005 10:51:18 AM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: The tree One other thought: it seems to me that Eve is first confused by outside influences (the snake) and then - out of this

Re: [TruthTalk] Banning/Shunning not the same thing

2005-12-18 Thread knpraise
Maybe you can try reading the posts and counting the number of people who are actually SP. It is not an SP site. -- Original message -- From: "Dean Moore" [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: To:

Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: The tree

2005-12-18 Thread knpraise
Agreed. Not sure as to your point, however. jd -- Original message -- From: "Dean Moore" [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org;TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: 12/18/2005 10:51:18 AM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fw:

Re: [TruthTalk] Cross

2005-12-18 Thread Blainerb473
In a message dated 12/17/2005 2:18:03 P.M. Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Blaine, DaveH kicked himself off. The Moderator told him that it was his last warning - that's all... because they kept ignoring him and went on with a thread he told them to take offline.

Re: [TruthTalk] Cross

2005-12-18 Thread Blainerb473
In a message dated 12/17/2005 2:26:31 P.M. Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: IFO have thought of DaveH as one of the more discrimitating contributors to TT.Should he be invited back with an accompanying apology and full complicity? I enjoy his insights, altho lately

Re: [TruthTalk] Cross

2005-12-18 Thread Blainerb473
I think they know who they are, too, but that doesn't seem to faze them. Blainerb In a message dated 12/17/2005 2:53:13 P.M. Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: He is certainly not nearly as disruptive as at least two others on this forum. I jwill tnot refer kto them by

Re: [TruthTalk] Saturday Sabbath

2005-12-18 Thread Blainerb473
Just another little disagreement as to what conclusions can be reached in reading a particular passage in the Bible. Blainerb In a message dated 12/17/2005 3:10:10 P.M. Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Dean, the words of Romans 14 eliminates all holy days. To

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