RE: [TV orNotTV] Megyn Kelly steps in it again

[Doug Fields]

The examples aren’t equivalent because there is no history of blacks oppressing 
whites in America, so acts of overt racism committed by whites against blacks 
don’t hold the same meaning (or threat of violence) if they’re committed by 
blacks against whites.  And the examples of black comedians using whiteface 
either ironically or just as makeup for a role they’re playing that requires 
them to be Caucasian for the bit to work isn’t equivalent to white actors who 
don blackface for the explicit purpose of demeaning blacks.

No one took John Griffin to task when he donned blackface to experience life as 
a black man in the South in the early 60s, chronicled in the book and movie 
“Black Like Me.”  He didn’t do it to demean blacks, but rather to help them by 
opening a window on their experience that whites couldn’t otherwise experience. 
 His blackface was in no way equivalent to vaudeville performers like Amos & 
Andy.

It’s not the act of changing the color of your skin that’s offensive; it’s the 
context of when and why you’re doing it that determines whether it is.

Doug Fields
Tampa, FL


From: tvornottv@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
Steve Timko
Sent: Saturday, November 10, 2018 8:15 PM
To: TV or Not TV 
Subject: Re: [TV orNotTV] Megyn Kelly steps in it again

But lighting a cross on the lawn of a white family is still pretty bad, even if 
it doesn't carry the weight of lighting the cross on the lawn of a black family.
The Ku Klux Klan tried to scared migrant coal miners in western Pennsylvania in 
the period immediately after World War I. They burned a cross in my father's 
town.. He and his older brother, who were maybe not teens yet, took a pickle 
barrel ring and mounted it on a pole, doused it with gas and lit it on the 
hillside. The community braced as they thought the Slavs were fighting back.

On Sat, Nov 10, 2018 at 5:03 PM PGage 
mailto:pga...@gmail.com>> wrote:
It’s not that it is not quantitatively equivalent. It is not qualitatively 
equivalent. The two have nothing substantive in common. Lighting a bag of dog 
poop on a white neighbors porch on Halloween might be obnoxious, even 
potentially dangerous, vandalism. It does not deserve to be even mentioned in 
the same paragraph as lighting a cross on the lawn of a black neighbor.



On Sat, Nov 10, 2018 at 4:25 PM Steve Timko 
mailto:steveti...@gmail.com>> wrote:
Does it have to be equivalent to be offensive?

On Sat, Nov 10, 2018 at 1:06 PM PGage 
mailto:pga...@gmail.com>> wrote:
Not really - except that anyone who thinks this is in any way close to 
equivalent to blackface has zero understanding of blackface.



On Sat, Nov 10, 2018 at 11:59 AM Steve Timko 
mailto:steveti...@gmail.com>> wrote:
Any thoughts on Dave Chapelle in white face?
LINK<https://youtu.be/ZX5MHNvjw7o>

On Thu, Oct 25, 2018 at 6:09 AM PGage 
mailto:pga...@gmail.com>> wrote:
As I wrote, some things are a matter of opinion. I think the term “politically 
correct” is imprecise and loaded and unhelpful, but people do vary in their 
sensitivity to offense, and some are so sensitive they cause a burden for 
others. This is not that.

Blackface is objectively racist. The racism is not imputed by the observer, it 
does not depend on the act of perception. Al Jolson singing Mammy is a racist 
image. People do not impute offense to it; it is, in itself, offensive. Now 
context and relationship can make offensive acts tools of resistance, or 
excusable ignorance. But nothing changes the inherent racism.

If a really old German said something like: “Boy it’s hard to keep up with what 
is and is not OK. When I was a kid back in the early 1930s we used Swastikas to 
decorate kid’s birthday parties, and now it is politicallly incorrect to just 
fly a Swastika flag in your front yard” everyone would, appropriately, call 
bullshit on that. What Kelly said is exactly like that. I am sure lots of 
people remember when they could dress in blackface without condemnation, or use 
the word nigger in polite conversation. The appropriate observation about that 
is not “gee, people have become so sensitive these days” but more like “gee, I 
guess we were really fucking racist in those days.”

On Wed, Oct 24, 2018 at 9:21 PM Steve Timko 
mailto:steveti...@gmail.com>> wrote:
I'm not sure when you mean "honestly say it was not racist." In my case, we did 
a school play when I was in fourth or fifth grade, maybe third (I was in the 
east wing of the school at the time) and it included a survey of entertainment. 
There was the obligatory reference to Al Jolson so they put a kid in black face 
and had him sing a few Al Jolson lines. To be honest,. I'm not sure we 
understood that we were caricaturing black people. My town had one black 
couple. The woman worked in the post office and part time in the high school 
library in a near by town. When I got to high school I actually had a black 
classmate. I won't speak for either of them but I n

Re: [TV orNotTV] Megyn Kelly steps in it again

[PGage]

I am saying a black guy whitening his face is not in the same category as a
white guy blackening his face. They are two completely different things. I
submit that if one does not understand that, one does not understand why
blackface is a vile, hateful and racist phenomenon.



On Sat, Nov 10, 2018 at 5:15 PM Steve Timko  wrote:

> But lighting a cross on the lawn of a white family is still pretty bad,
> even if it doesn't carry the weight of lighting the cross on the lawn of a
> black family.
> The Ku Klux Klan tried to scared migrant coal miners in western
> Pennsylvania in the period immediately after World War I. They burned a
> cross in my father's town.. He and his older brother, who were maybe not
> teens yet, took a pickle barrel ring and mounted it on a pole, doused it
> with gas and lit it on the hillside. The community braced as they thought
> the Slavs were fighting back.
>
> On Sat, Nov 10, 2018 at 5:03 PM PGage  wrote:
>
>> It’s not that it is not quantitatively equivalent. It is not
>> qualitatively equivalent. The two have nothing substantive in common.
>> Lighting a bag of dog poop on a white neighbors porch on Halloween might be
>> obnoxious, even potentially dangerous, vandalism. It does not deserve to be
>> even mentioned in the same paragraph as lighting a cross on the lawn of a
>> black neighbor.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Sat, Nov 10, 2018 at 4:25 PM Steve Timko  wrote:
>>
>>> Does it have to be equivalent to be offensive?
>>>
>>> On Sat, Nov 10, 2018 at 1:06 PM PGage  wrote:
>>>
 Not really - except that anyone who thinks this is in any way close to
 equivalent to blackface has zero understanding of blackface.



 On Sat, Nov 10, 2018 at 11:59 AM Steve Timko 
 wrote:

> Any thoughts on Dave Chapelle in white face?
> LINK 
>
> On Thu, Oct 25, 2018 at 6:09 AM PGage  wrote:
>
>> As I wrote, some things are a matter of opinion. I think the term
>> “politically correct” is imprecise and loaded and unhelpful, but people 
>> do
>> vary in their sensitivity to offense, and some are so sensitive they 
>> cause
>> a burden for others. This is not that.
>>
>> Blackface is objectively racist. The racism is not imputed by the
>> observer, it does not depend on the act of perception. Al Jolson singing
>> Mammy is a racist image. People do not impute offense to it; it is, in
>> itself, offensive. Now context and relationship can make offensive acts
>> tools of resistance, or excusable ignorance. But nothing changes the
>> inherent racism.
>>
>> If a really old German said something like: “Boy it’s hard to keep up
>> with what is and is not OK. When I was a kid back in the early 1930s we
>> used Swastikas to decorate kid’s birthday parties, and now it is
>> politicallly incorrect to just fly a Swastika flag in your front yard”
>> everyone would, appropriately, call bullshit on that. What Kelly said is
>> exactly like that. I am sure lots of people remember when they could 
>> dress
>> in blackface without condemnation, or use the word nigger in polite
>> conversation. The appropriate observation about that is not “gee, people
>> have become so sensitive these days” but more like “gee, I guess we were
>> really fucking racist in those days.”
>>
>> On Wed, Oct 24, 2018 at 9:21 PM Steve Timko 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I'm not sure when you mean "honestly say it was not racist." In my
>>> case, we did a school play when I was in fourth or fifth grade, maybe 
>>> third
>>> (I was in the east wing of the school at the time) and it included a 
>>> survey
>>> of entertainment. There was the obligatory reference to Al Jolson so 
>>> they
>>> put a kid in black face and had him sing a few Al Jolson lines. To be
>>> honest,. I'm not sure we understood that we were caricaturing black 
>>> people.
>>> My town had one black couple. The woman worked in the post office and 
>>> part
>>> time in the high school library in a near by town. When I got to high
>>> school I actually had a black classmate. I won't speak for either of 
>>> them
>>> but I never saw overtly racial remarks towards them., I'm sure they were
>>> made. But everyone was pretty mellow.
>>>
>>> On Wed, Oct 24, 2018 at 9:00 PM Kevin M. 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 I grew up around racists... no black face... not ever.

 I’ve stated over on my own social media that, growing up in my
 neighborhood in Pomona, one could not be racist and have friends. My 
 group
 of friends never thought much about it. When our respective moms told 
 us to
 “go outside and play,” we played with whichever kids were in the 
 street. My
 oldest brother was the only white guy on his high school football 
 team. It
 wasn’t weird to 

RE: [TV orNotTV] Megyn Kelly steps in it again

[Brad Beam]

From: tvornottv@googlegroups.com [mailto:tvornottv@googlegroups.com] On Behalf 
Of Steve Timko


>Any thoughts on Dave Chapelle in white face?
>LINK  
 
Exhibit 2: Eddie Murphy in “White Like Me” (SNL, 1984).
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l_LeJfn_qW0
 
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Re: [TV orNotTV] Megyn Kelly steps in it again

[Steve Timko]

But lighting a cross on the lawn of a white family is still pretty bad,
even if it doesn't carry the weight of lighting the cross on the lawn of a
black family.
The Ku Klux Klan tried to scared migrant coal miners in western
Pennsylvania in the period immediately after World War I. They burned a
cross in my father's town.. He and his older brother, who were maybe not
teens yet, took a pickle barrel ring and mounted it on a pole, doused it
with gas and lit it on the hillside. The community braced as they thought
the Slavs were fighting back.

On Sat, Nov 10, 2018 at 5:03 PM PGage  wrote:

> It’s not that it is not quantitatively equivalent. It is not qualitatively
> equivalent. The two have nothing substantive in common. Lighting a bag of
> dog poop on a white neighbors porch on Halloween might be obnoxious, even
> potentially dangerous, vandalism. It does not deserve to be even mentioned
> in the same paragraph as lighting a cross on the lawn of a black neighbor.
>
>
>
> On Sat, Nov 10, 2018 at 4:25 PM Steve Timko  wrote:
>
>> Does it have to be equivalent to be offensive?
>>
>> On Sat, Nov 10, 2018 at 1:06 PM PGage  wrote:
>>
>>> Not really - except that anyone who thinks this is in any way close to
>>> equivalent to blackface has zero understanding of blackface.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sat, Nov 10, 2018 at 11:59 AM Steve Timko 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Any thoughts on Dave Chapelle in white face?
 LINK 

 On Thu, Oct 25, 2018 at 6:09 AM PGage  wrote:

> As I wrote, some things are a matter of opinion. I think the term
> “politically correct” is imprecise and loaded and unhelpful, but people do
> vary in their sensitivity to offense, and some are so sensitive they cause
> a burden for others. This is not that.
>
> Blackface is objectively racist. The racism is not imputed by the
> observer, it does not depend on the act of perception. Al Jolson singing
> Mammy is a racist image. People do not impute offense to it; it is, in
> itself, offensive. Now context and relationship can make offensive acts
> tools of resistance, or excusable ignorance. But nothing changes the
> inherent racism.
>
> If a really old German said something like: “Boy it’s hard to keep up
> with what is and is not OK. When I was a kid back in the early 1930s we
> used Swastikas to decorate kid’s birthday parties, and now it is
> politicallly incorrect to just fly a Swastika flag in your front yard”
> everyone would, appropriately, call bullshit on that. What Kelly said is
> exactly like that. I am sure lots of people remember when they could dress
> in blackface without condemnation, or use the word nigger in polite
> conversation. The appropriate observation about that is not “gee, people
> have become so sensitive these days” but more like “gee, I guess we were
> really fucking racist in those days.”
>
> On Wed, Oct 24, 2018 at 9:21 PM Steve Timko 
> wrote:
>
>> I'm not sure when you mean "honestly say it was not racist." In my
>> case, we did a school play when I was in fourth or fifth grade, maybe 
>> third
>> (I was in the east wing of the school at the time) and it included a 
>> survey
>> of entertainment. There was the obligatory reference to Al Jolson so they
>> put a kid in black face and had him sing a few Al Jolson lines. To be
>> honest,. I'm not sure we understood that we were caricaturing black 
>> people.
>> My town had one black couple. The woman worked in the post office and 
>> part
>> time in the high school library in a near by town. When I got to high
>> school I actually had a black classmate. I won't speak for either of them
>> but I never saw overtly racial remarks towards them., I'm sure they were
>> made. But everyone was pretty mellow.
>>
>> On Wed, Oct 24, 2018 at 9:00 PM Kevin M. 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I grew up around racists... no black face... not ever.
>>>
>>> I’ve stated over on my own social media that, growing up in my
>>> neighborhood in Pomona, one could not be racist and have friends. My 
>>> group
>>> of friends never thought much about it. When our respective moms told 
>>> us to
>>> “go outside and play,” we played with whichever kids were in the 
>>> street. My
>>> oldest brother was the only white guy on his high school football team. 
>>> It
>>> wasn’t weird to us; it was normal and no big deal. Nobody I knew would 
>>> have
>>> worn black face either as a gag or to be offensive.
>>>
>>> When I went to high school in Corona, I attached myself to the group
>>> of kids who hung around what was called the “scholar bench,” and they 
>>> were
>>> even more diverse (I brought down the grade curve significantly, yet 
>>> they
>>> remain my closest friends to this day). Again, black face would not have

Re: [TV orNotTV] Megyn Kelly steps in it again

[PGage]

It’s not that it is not quantitatively equivalent. It is not qualitatively
equivalent. The two have nothing substantive in common. Lighting a bag of
dog poop on a white neighbors porch on Halloween might be obnoxious, even
potentially dangerous, vandalism. It does not deserve to be even mentioned
in the same paragraph as lighting a cross on the lawn of a black neighbor.



On Sat, Nov 10, 2018 at 4:25 PM Steve Timko  wrote:

> Does it have to be equivalent to be offensive?
>
> On Sat, Nov 10, 2018 at 1:06 PM PGage  wrote:
>
>> Not really - except that anyone who thinks this is in any way close to
>> equivalent to blackface has zero understanding of blackface.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Sat, Nov 10, 2018 at 11:59 AM Steve Timko 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Any thoughts on Dave Chapelle in white face?
>>> LINK 
>>>
>>> On Thu, Oct 25, 2018 at 6:09 AM PGage  wrote:
>>>
 As I wrote, some things are a matter of opinion. I think the term
 “politically correct” is imprecise and loaded and unhelpful, but people do
 vary in their sensitivity to offense, and some are so sensitive they cause
 a burden for others. This is not that.

 Blackface is objectively racist. The racism is not imputed by the
 observer, it does not depend on the act of perception. Al Jolson singing
 Mammy is a racist image. People do not impute offense to it; it is, in
 itself, offensive. Now context and relationship can make offensive acts
 tools of resistance, or excusable ignorance. But nothing changes the
 inherent racism.

 If a really old German said something like: “Boy it’s hard to keep up
 with what is and is not OK. When I was a kid back in the early 1930s we
 used Swastikas to decorate kid’s birthday parties, and now it is
 politicallly incorrect to just fly a Swastika flag in your front yard”
 everyone would, appropriately, call bullshit on that. What Kelly said is
 exactly like that. I am sure lots of people remember when they could dress
 in blackface without condemnation, or use the word nigger in polite
 conversation. The appropriate observation about that is not “gee, people
 have become so sensitive these days” but more like “gee, I guess we were
 really fucking racist in those days.”

 On Wed, Oct 24, 2018 at 9:21 PM Steve Timko 
 wrote:

> I'm not sure when you mean "honestly say it was not racist." In my
> case, we did a school play when I was in fourth or fifth grade, maybe 
> third
> (I was in the east wing of the school at the time) and it included a 
> survey
> of entertainment. There was the obligatory reference to Al Jolson so they
> put a kid in black face and had him sing a few Al Jolson lines. To be
> honest,. I'm not sure we understood that we were caricaturing black 
> people.
> My town had one black couple. The woman worked in the post office and part
> time in the high school library in a near by town. When I got to high
> school I actually had a black classmate. I won't speak for either of them
> but I never saw overtly racial remarks towards them., I'm sure they were
> made. But everyone was pretty mellow.
>
> On Wed, Oct 24, 2018 at 9:00 PM Kevin M. 
> wrote:
>
>> I grew up around racists... no black face... not ever.
>>
>> I’ve stated over on my own social media that, growing up in my
>> neighborhood in Pomona, one could not be racist and have friends. My 
>> group
>> of friends never thought much about it. When our respective moms told us 
>> to
>> “go outside and play,” we played with whichever kids were in the street. 
>> My
>> oldest brother was the only white guy on his high school football team. 
>> It
>> wasn’t weird to us; it was normal and no big deal. Nobody I knew would 
>> have
>> worn black face either as a gag or to be offensive.
>>
>> When I went to high school in Corona, I attached myself to the group
>> of kids who hung around what was called the “scholar bench,” and they 
>> were
>> even more diverse (I brought down the grade curve significantly, yet they
>> remain my closest friends to this day). Again, black face would not have
>> been contemplated.
>>
>> College up in the state of Washington, most of the campus was white.
>> That’s how much of Western Washington was at the time. But even 
>> surrounded
>> my mostly white folks, no black face.
>>
>> I wrote this not as some sort of humblegrag; my story is not unique.
>> If you are any age and remember with any degree of nostalgia the racist
>> behavior of the people you knew when you were younger, you need help.
>> Racism certainly existed all around me growing up, but the bigots were 
>> not
>> overt about it. If anything, racists kept it to themselves.
>>
>> On Wed, Oct 24, 2018 at 10:36 PM PGage  wrote:
>>
>>> 

Re: [TV orNotTV] Megyn Kelly steps in it again

[Steve Timko]

Does it have to be equivalent to be offensive?

On Sat, Nov 10, 2018 at 1:06 PM PGage  wrote:

> Not really - except that anyone who thinks this is in any way close to
> equivalent to blackface has zero understanding of blackface.
>
>
>
> On Sat, Nov 10, 2018 at 11:59 AM Steve Timko  wrote:
>
>> Any thoughts on Dave Chapelle in white face?
>> LINK 
>>
>> On Thu, Oct 25, 2018 at 6:09 AM PGage  wrote:
>>
>>> As I wrote, some things are a matter of opinion. I think the term
>>> “politically correct” is imprecise and loaded and unhelpful, but people do
>>> vary in their sensitivity to offense, and some are so sensitive they cause
>>> a burden for others. This is not that.
>>>
>>> Blackface is objectively racist. The racism is not imputed by the
>>> observer, it does not depend on the act of perception. Al Jolson singing
>>> Mammy is a racist image. People do not impute offense to it; it is, in
>>> itself, offensive. Now context and relationship can make offensive acts
>>> tools of resistance, or excusable ignorance. But nothing changes the
>>> inherent racism.
>>>
>>> If a really old German said something like: “Boy it’s hard to keep up
>>> with what is and is not OK. When I was a kid back in the early 1930s we
>>> used Swastikas to decorate kid’s birthday parties, and now it is
>>> politicallly incorrect to just fly a Swastika flag in your front yard”
>>> everyone would, appropriately, call bullshit on that. What Kelly said is
>>> exactly like that. I am sure lots of people remember when they could dress
>>> in blackface without condemnation, or use the word nigger in polite
>>> conversation. The appropriate observation about that is not “gee, people
>>> have become so sensitive these days” but more like “gee, I guess we were
>>> really fucking racist in those days.”
>>>
>>> On Wed, Oct 24, 2018 at 9:21 PM Steve Timko 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 I'm not sure when you mean "honestly say it was not racist." In my
 case, we did a school play when I was in fourth or fifth grade, maybe third
 (I was in the east wing of the school at the time) and it included a survey
 of entertainment. There was the obligatory reference to Al Jolson so they
 put a kid in black face and had him sing a few Al Jolson lines. To be
 honest,. I'm not sure we understood that we were caricaturing black people.
 My town had one black couple. The woman worked in the post office and part
 time in the high school library in a near by town. When I got to high
 school I actually had a black classmate. I won't speak for either of them
 but I never saw overtly racial remarks towards them., I'm sure they were
 made. But everyone was pretty mellow.

 On Wed, Oct 24, 2018 at 9:00 PM Kevin M. 
 wrote:

> I grew up around racists... no black face... not ever.
>
> I’ve stated over on my own social media that, growing up in my
> neighborhood in Pomona, one could not be racist and have friends. My group
> of friends never thought much about it. When our respective moms told us 
> to
> “go outside and play,” we played with whichever kids were in the street. 
> My
> oldest brother was the only white guy on his high school football team. It
> wasn’t weird to us; it was normal and no big deal. Nobody I knew would 
> have
> worn black face either as a gag or to be offensive.
>
> When I went to high school in Corona, I attached myself to the group
> of kids who hung around what was called the “scholar bench,” and they were
> even more diverse (I brought down the grade curve significantly, yet they
> remain my closest friends to this day). Again, black face would not have
> been contemplated.
>
> College up in the state of Washington, most of the campus was white.
> That’s how much of Western Washington was at the time. But even surrounded
> my mostly white folks, no black face.
>
> I wrote this not as some sort of humblegrag; my story is not unique.
> If you are any age and remember with any degree of nostalgia the racist
> behavior of the people you knew when you were younger, you need help.
> Racism certainly existed all around me growing up, but the bigots were not
> overt about it. If anything, racists kept it to themselves.
>
> On Wed, Oct 24, 2018 at 10:36 PM PGage  wrote:
>
>> If you are under 60 and at anytime in your life you can honestly say
>> that it was not racist for white people to put on blackface when you were
>> growing up, we know only one things for sure; you grew up around racists.
>>
>> Lots of things about race are complex and subject to POV. This is not
>> one of those things.
>>
>> Of course, lots of people grew up around racists, so...
>>
>> On Wed, Oct 24, 2018 at 3:45 PM Steve Timko 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I'm a decade older than Megyn Kelly. When I was a kid, black face
>>> was 

Re: [TV orNotTV] Megyn Kelly steps in it again

[PGage]

Not really - except that anyone who thinks this is in any way close to
equivalent to blackface has zero understanding of blackface.



On Sat, Nov 10, 2018 at 11:59 AM Steve Timko  wrote:

> Any thoughts on Dave Chapelle in white face?
> LINK 
>
> On Thu, Oct 25, 2018 at 6:09 AM PGage  wrote:
>
>> As I wrote, some things are a matter of opinion. I think the term
>> “politically correct” is imprecise and loaded and unhelpful, but people do
>> vary in their sensitivity to offense, and some are so sensitive they cause
>> a burden for others. This is not that.
>>
>> Blackface is objectively racist. The racism is not imputed by the
>> observer, it does not depend on the act of perception. Al Jolson singing
>> Mammy is a racist image. People do not impute offense to it; it is, in
>> itself, offensive. Now context and relationship can make offensive acts
>> tools of resistance, or excusable ignorance. But nothing changes the
>> inherent racism.
>>
>> If a really old German said something like: “Boy it’s hard to keep up
>> with what is and is not OK. When I was a kid back in the early 1930s we
>> used Swastikas to decorate kid’s birthday parties, and now it is
>> politicallly incorrect to just fly a Swastika flag in your front yard”
>> everyone would, appropriately, call bullshit on that. What Kelly said is
>> exactly like that. I am sure lots of people remember when they could dress
>> in blackface without condemnation, or use the word nigger in polite
>> conversation. The appropriate observation about that is not “gee, people
>> have become so sensitive these days” but more like “gee, I guess we were
>> really fucking racist in those days.”
>>
>> On Wed, Oct 24, 2018 at 9:21 PM Steve Timko  wrote:
>>
>>> I'm not sure when you mean "honestly say it was not racist." In my case,
>>> we did a school play when I was in fourth or fifth grade, maybe third (I
>>> was in the east wing of the school at the time) and it included a survey of
>>> entertainment. There was the obligatory reference to Al Jolson so they put
>>> a kid in black face and had him sing a few Al Jolson lines. To be honest,.
>>> I'm not sure we understood that we were caricaturing black people. My town
>>> had one black couple. The woman worked in the post office and part time in
>>> the high school library in a near by town. When I got to high school I
>>> actually had a black classmate. I won't speak for either of them but I
>>> never saw overtly racial remarks towards them., I'm sure they were made.
>>> But everyone was pretty mellow.
>>>
>>> On Wed, Oct 24, 2018 at 9:00 PM Kevin M. 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 I grew up around racists... no black face... not ever.

 I’ve stated over on my own social media that, growing up in my
 neighborhood in Pomona, one could not be racist and have friends. My group
 of friends never thought much about it. When our respective moms told us to
 “go outside and play,” we played with whichever kids were in the street. My
 oldest brother was the only white guy on his high school football team. It
 wasn’t weird to us; it was normal and no big deal. Nobody I knew would have
 worn black face either as a gag or to be offensive.

 When I went to high school in Corona, I attached myself to the group of
 kids who hung around what was called the “scholar bench,” and they were
 even more diverse (I brought down the grade curve significantly, yet they
 remain my closest friends to this day). Again, black face would not have
 been contemplated.

 College up in the state of Washington, most of the campus was white.
 That’s how much of Western Washington was at the time. But even surrounded
 my mostly white folks, no black face.

 I wrote this not as some sort of humblegrag; my story is not unique. If
 you are any age and remember with any degree of nostalgia the racist
 behavior of the people you knew when you were younger, you need help.
 Racism certainly existed all around me growing up, but the bigots were not
 overt about it. If anything, racists kept it to themselves.

 On Wed, Oct 24, 2018 at 10:36 PM PGage  wrote:

> If you are under 60 and at anytime in your life you can honestly say
> that it was not racist for white people to put on blackface when you were
> growing up, we know only one things for sure; you grew up around racists.
>
> Lots of things about race are complex and subject to POV. This is not
> one of those things.
>
> Of course, lots of people grew up around racists, so...
>
> On Wed, Oct 24, 2018 at 3:45 PM Steve Timko 
> wrote:
>
>> I'm a decade older than Megyn Kelly. When I was a kid, black face was
>> still okay, although that was a reflection of a being in a rural mining
>> town.  I called Brazil nuts nigger toes until I got into college.
>> Of course I learned to be more culturally sensitive. That seems to be

Re: [TV orNotTV] Megyn Kelly steps in it again

[Kevin M.]

On Sat, Nov 10, 2018 at 1:59 PM Steve Timko  wrote:

> Any thoughts on Dave Chapelle in white face?
> LINK 
>

I lost all respect for Chapelle when he bailed on his hit series, leaving a
lot of good people out of work. As such, I am predisposed to dislike
anything he says or does.


>
> On Thu, Oct 25, 2018 at 6:09 AM PGage  wrote:
>
>> As I wrote, some things are a matter of opinion. I think the term
>> “politically correct” is imprecise and loaded and unhelpful, but people do
>> vary in their sensitivity to offense, and some are so sensitive they cause
>> a burden for others. This is not that.
>>
>> Blackface is objectively racist. The racism is not imputed by the
>> observer, it does not depend on the act of perception. Al Jolson singing
>> Mammy is a racist image. People do not impute offense to it; it is, in
>> itself, offensive. Now context and relationship can make offensive acts
>> tools of resistance, or excusable ignorance. But nothing changes the
>> inherent racism.
>>
>> If a really old German said something like: “Boy it’s hard to keep up
>> with what is and is not OK. When I was a kid back in the early 1930s we
>> used Swastikas to decorate kid’s birthday parties, and now it is
>> politicallly incorrect to just fly a Swastika flag in your front yard”
>> everyone would, appropriately, call bullshit on that. What Kelly said is
>> exactly like that. I am sure lots of people remember when they could dress
>> in blackface without condemnation, or use the word nigger in polite
>> conversation. The appropriate observation about that is not “gee, people
>> have become so sensitive these days” but more like “gee, I guess we were
>> really fucking racist in those days.”
>>
>> On Wed, Oct 24, 2018 at 9:21 PM Steve Timko  wrote:
>>
>>> I'm not sure when you mean "honestly say it was not racist." In my case,
>>> we did a school play when I was in fourth or fifth grade, maybe third (I
>>> was in the east wing of the school at the time) and it included a survey of
>>> entertainment. There was the obligatory reference to Al Jolson so they put
>>> a kid in black face and had him sing a few Al Jolson lines. To be honest,.
>>> I'm not sure we understood that we were caricaturing black people. My town
>>> had one black couple. The woman worked in the post office and part time in
>>> the high school library in a near by town. When I got to high school I
>>> actually had a black classmate. I won't speak for either of them but I
>>> never saw overtly racial remarks towards them., I'm sure they were made.
>>> But everyone was pretty mellow.
>>>
>>> On Wed, Oct 24, 2018 at 9:00 PM Kevin M. 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 I grew up around racists... no black face... not ever.

 I’ve stated over on my own social media that, growing up in my
 neighborhood in Pomona, one could not be racist and have friends. My group
 of friends never thought much about it. When our respective moms told us to
 “go outside and play,” we played with whichever kids were in the street. My
 oldest brother was the only white guy on his high school football team. It
 wasn’t weird to us; it was normal and no big deal. Nobody I knew would have
 worn black face either as a gag or to be offensive.

 When I went to high school in Corona, I attached myself to the group of
 kids who hung around what was called the “scholar bench,” and they were
 even more diverse (I brought down the grade curve significantly, yet they
 remain my closest friends to this day). Again, black face would not have
 been contemplated.

 College up in the state of Washington, most of the campus was white.
 That’s how much of Western Washington was at the time. But even surrounded
 my mostly white folks, no black face.

 I wrote this not as some sort of humblegrag; my story is not unique. If
 you are any age and remember with any degree of nostalgia the racist
 behavior of the people you knew when you were younger, you need help.
 Racism certainly existed all around me growing up, but the bigots were not
 overt about it. If anything, racists kept it to themselves.

 On Wed, Oct 24, 2018 at 10:36 PM PGage  wrote:

> If you are under 60 and at anytime in your life you can honestly say
> that it was not racist for white people to put on blackface when you were
> growing up, we know only one things for sure; you grew up around racists.
>
> Lots of things about race are complex and subject to POV. This is not
> one of those things.
>
> Of course, lots of people grew up around racists, so...
>
> On Wed, Oct 24, 2018 at 3:45 PM Steve Timko 
> wrote:
>
>> I'm a decade older than Megyn Kelly. When I was a kid, black face was
>> still okay, although that was a reflection of a being in a rural mining
>> town.  I called Brazil nuts nigger toes until I got into college.
>> 

Re: [TV orNotTV] Megyn Kelly steps in it again

[Steve Timko]

Any thoughts on Dave Chapelle in white face?
LINK 

On Thu, Oct 25, 2018 at 6:09 AM PGage  wrote:

> As I wrote, some things are a matter of opinion. I think the term
> “politically correct” is imprecise and loaded and unhelpful, but people do
> vary in their sensitivity to offense, and some are so sensitive they cause
> a burden for others. This is not that.
>
> Blackface is objectively racist. The racism is not imputed by the
> observer, it does not depend on the act of perception. Al Jolson singing
> Mammy is a racist image. People do not impute offense to it; it is, in
> itself, offensive. Now context and relationship can make offensive acts
> tools of resistance, or excusable ignorance. But nothing changes the
> inherent racism.
>
> If a really old German said something like: “Boy it’s hard to keep up with
> what is and is not OK. When I was a kid back in the early 1930s we used
> Swastikas to decorate kid’s birthday parties, and now it is politicallly
> incorrect to just fly a Swastika flag in your front yard” everyone would,
> appropriately, call bullshit on that. What Kelly said is exactly like that.
> I am sure lots of people remember when they could dress in blackface
> without condemnation, or use the word nigger in polite conversation. The
> appropriate observation about that is not “gee, people have become so
> sensitive these days” but more like “gee, I guess we were really fucking
> racist in those days.”
>
> On Wed, Oct 24, 2018 at 9:21 PM Steve Timko  wrote:
>
>> I'm not sure when you mean "honestly say it was not racist." In my case,
>> we did a school play when I was in fourth or fifth grade, maybe third (I
>> was in the east wing of the school at the time) and it included a survey of
>> entertainment. There was the obligatory reference to Al Jolson so they put
>> a kid in black face and had him sing a few Al Jolson lines. To be honest,.
>> I'm not sure we understood that we were caricaturing black people. My town
>> had one black couple. The woman worked in the post office and part time in
>> the high school library in a near by town. When I got to high school I
>> actually had a black classmate. I won't speak for either of them but I
>> never saw overtly racial remarks towards them., I'm sure they were made.
>> But everyone was pretty mellow.
>>
>> On Wed, Oct 24, 2018 at 9:00 PM Kevin M. 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I grew up around racists... no black face... not ever.
>>>
>>> I’ve stated over on my own social media that, growing up in my
>>> neighborhood in Pomona, one could not be racist and have friends. My group
>>> of friends never thought much about it. When our respective moms told us to
>>> “go outside and play,” we played with whichever kids were in the street. My
>>> oldest brother was the only white guy on his high school football team. It
>>> wasn’t weird to us; it was normal and no big deal. Nobody I knew would have
>>> worn black face either as a gag or to be offensive.
>>>
>>> When I went to high school in Corona, I attached myself to the group of
>>> kids who hung around what was called the “scholar bench,” and they were
>>> even more diverse (I brought down the grade curve significantly, yet they
>>> remain my closest friends to this day). Again, black face would not have
>>> been contemplated.
>>>
>>> College up in the state of Washington, most of the campus was white.
>>> That’s how much of Western Washington was at the time. But even surrounded
>>> my mostly white folks, no black face.
>>>
>>> I wrote this not as some sort of humblegrag; my story is not unique. If
>>> you are any age and remember with any degree of nostalgia the racist
>>> behavior of the people you knew when you were younger, you need help.
>>> Racism certainly existed all around me growing up, but the bigots were not
>>> overt about it. If anything, racists kept it to themselves.
>>>
>>> On Wed, Oct 24, 2018 at 10:36 PM PGage  wrote:
>>>
 If you are under 60 and at anytime in your life you can honestly say
 that it was not racist for white people to put on blackface when you were
 growing up, we know only one things for sure; you grew up around racists.

 Lots of things about race are complex and subject to POV. This is not
 one of those things.

 Of course, lots of people grew up around racists, so...

 On Wed, Oct 24, 2018 at 3:45 PM Steve Timko 
 wrote:

> I'm a decade older than Megyn Kelly. When I was a kid, black face was
> still okay, although that was a reflection of a being in a rural mining
> town.  I called Brazil nuts nigger toes until I got into college.
> Of course I learned to be more culturally sensitive. That seems to be
> where Kelly is lacking.
> I wonder if this will show up as an SNL skit?
>
> On Wed, Oct 24, 2018 at 2:30 PM Chris Neuman  wrote:
>
>> Patton Oswalt tweeted that same sentiment:
>>
>> https://twitter.com/pattonoswalt/status/1054759947114672129

Re: [TV orNotTV] Megyn Kelly steps in it again

[Steve Timko]

With Megyn Kelly gone, ratings improve.
LINK


On Tue, Oct 30, 2018 at 3:59 PM Kevin M.  wrote:

> As a post-script to this, CBS couldn’t resist covering Kelly’s firing with
> a surprisingly sophisticated look at the history of blackface
>
> https://youtu.be/pqlD-eZm1ck
>
> I remember the Bugs Bunny cartoon, but I didn’t know Bing Crosby and Fred
> Astaire (among others) wore the greasepaint.
>
> America has a f*cked up history. I wish we didn’t sugarcoat it in schools.
>
> On Fri, Oct 26, 2018 at 3:33 PM M-D November  wrote:
>
>> And the network makes it official...
>> https://www.nbcnews.com/news/all/megyn-kelly-will-not-return-today-n924911
>>
>> NBC News said Friday that anchor Megyn Kelly will not return to the 9
>> a.m. ET hour of "Today," marking the end of a rocky run since Kelly moved
>> to NBC News from Fox News.
>>
>> "Megyn Kelly Today is not returning," an NBC News spokesperson said.
>> "Next week, the 9 a.m. hour will be hosted by other TODAY co-anchors.”
>>
>> On Thursday, October 25, 2018 at 11:23:13 PM UTC-4, PGage wrote:
>>>
>>> She may be replacing Sarah H Sanders by Easter...
>>>
>>> On Thu, Oct 25, 2018 at 2:26 PM Kevin M.  wrote:
>>>
 I could see her hosting Inside Edition or that sort of TMZ/tabloid type
 of show.

 “Racist fired for being racist” is a ridiculous headline, but sadly it
 is no longer career-ending

 On Thu, Oct 25, 2018 at 2:41 PM Steve Timko  wrote:

> She burned her bridges at FOX News. I don't see ABC, CBS or CNN
> touching her. Maybe she's the new Deborah Norville, destined to roam the
> purgatory that is syndication?
>
> Not sent from an iPhone
> On Oct 25, 2018, at 11:57 AM, M-D November  wrote:
>>
>> And she...is...outta here...
>> https://apple.news/AgLseWXMoSISZcSGUKlTKag (Page 6 via Vanity Fair)
>>
>> Update (Oct. 25, 12:52 p.m.): Megyn Kelly Today is done, according to 
>> Page Six. According to the Daily Mail, the network will have to pay out 
>> the rest of Kelly’s reported $69 million contract. Her rate was $20 
>> million a year when she started in 2017. The Hollywood Reporter, 
>> meanwhile, says that Kelly’s lawyer is set to meet with NBC execs as 
>> soon as Friday to discuss her future at the network. Representatives for 
>> NBC have not yet responded to Vanity Fair’s request for comment.
>>
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Re: [TV orNotTV] Megyn Kelly steps in it again

[Kevin M.]

As a post-script to this, CBS couldn’t resist covering Kelly’s firing with
a surprisingly sophisticated look at the history of blackface

https://youtu.be/pqlD-eZm1ck

I remember the Bugs Bunny cartoon, but I didn’t know Bing Crosby and Fred
Astaire (among others) wore the greasepaint.

America has a f*cked up history. I wish we didn’t sugarcoat it in schools.

On Fri, Oct 26, 2018 at 3:33 PM M-D November  wrote:

> And the network makes it official...
> https://www.nbcnews.com/news/all/megyn-kelly-will-not-return-today-n924911
>
> NBC News said Friday that anchor Megyn Kelly will not return to the 9 a.m.
> ET hour of "Today," marking the end of a rocky run since Kelly moved to NBC
> News from Fox News.
>
> "Megyn Kelly Today is not returning," an NBC News spokesperson said. "Next
> week, the 9 a.m. hour will be hosted by other TODAY co-anchors.”
>
> On Thursday, October 25, 2018 at 11:23:13 PM UTC-4, PGage wrote:
>>
>> She may be replacing Sarah H Sanders by Easter...
>>
>> On Thu, Oct 25, 2018 at 2:26 PM Kevin M.  wrote:
>>
>>> I could see her hosting Inside Edition or that sort of TMZ/tabloid type
>>> of show.
>>>
>>> “Racist fired for being racist” is a ridiculous headline, but sadly it
>>> is no longer career-ending
>>>
>>> On Thu, Oct 25, 2018 at 2:41 PM Steve Timko  wrote:
>>>
 She burned her bridges at FOX News. I don't see ABC, CBS or CNN
 touching her. Maybe she's the new Deborah Norville, destined to roam the
 purgatory that is syndication?

 Not sent from an iPhone
 On Oct 25, 2018, at 11:57 AM, M-D November  wrote:
>
> And she...is...outta here...
> https://apple.news/AgLseWXMoSISZcSGUKlTKag (Page 6 via Vanity Fair)
>
> Update (Oct. 25, 12:52 p.m.): Megyn Kelly Today is done, according to 
> Page Six. According to the Daily Mail, the network will have to pay out 
> the rest of Kelly’s reported $69 million contract. Her rate was $20 
> million a year when she started in 2017. The Hollywood Reporter, 
> meanwhile, says that Kelly’s lawyer is set to meet with NBC execs as soon 
> as Friday to discuss her future at the network. Representatives for NBC 
> have not yet responded to Vanity Fair’s request for comment.
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[M-D November]

And the network makes it official...
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/all/megyn-kelly-will-not-return-today-n924911

NBC News said Friday that anchor Megyn Kelly will not return to the 9 a.m. 
ET hour of "Today," marking the end of a rocky run since Kelly moved to NBC 
News from Fox News.

"Megyn Kelly Today is not returning," an NBC News spokesperson said. "Next 
week, the 9 a.m. hour will be hosted by other TODAY co-anchors.”

On Thursday, October 25, 2018 at 11:23:13 PM UTC-4, PGage wrote:
>
> She may be replacing Sarah H Sanders by Easter...
>
> On Thu, Oct 25, 2018 at 2:26 PM Kevin M.  > wrote:
>
>> I could see her hosting Inside Edition or that sort of TMZ/tabloid type 
>> of show.
>>
>> “Racist fired for being racist” is a ridiculous headline, but sadly it is 
>> no longer career-ending 
>>
>> On Thu, Oct 25, 2018 at 2:41 PM Steve Timko > > wrote:
>>
>>> She burned her bridges at FOX News. I don't see ABC, CBS or CNN touching 
>>> her. Maybe she's the new Deborah Norville, destined to roam the purgatory 
>>> that is syndication?
>>>
>>> Not sent from an iPhone
>>> On Oct 25, 2018, at 11:57 AM, M-D November >> > wrote:

 And she...is...outta here...
 https://apple.news/AgLseWXMoSISZcSGUKlTKag (Page 6 via Vanity Fair)

 Update (Oct. 25, 12:52 p.m.): Megyn Kelly Today is done, according to Page 
 Six. According to the Daily Mail, the network will have to pay out the 
 rest of Kelly’s reported $69 million contract. Her rate was $20 million a 
 year when she started in 2017. The Hollywood Reporter, meanwhile, says 
 that Kelly’s lawyer is set to meet with NBC execs as soon as Friday to 
 discuss her future at the network. Representatives for NBC have not yet 
 responded to Vanity Fair’s request for comment.

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Re: [TV orNotTV] Megyn Kelly steps in it again

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She may be replacing Sarah H Sanders by Easter...

On Thu, Oct 25, 2018 at 2:26 PM Kevin M.  wrote:

> I could see her hosting Inside Edition or that sort of TMZ/tabloid type of
> show.
>
> “Racist fired for being racist” is a ridiculous headline, but sadly it is
> no longer career-ending
>
> On Thu, Oct 25, 2018 at 2:41 PM Steve Timko  wrote:
>
>> She burned her bridges at FOX News. I don't see ABC, CBS or CNN touching
>> her. Maybe she's the new Deborah Norville, destined to roam the purgatory
>> that is syndication?
>>
>> Not sent from an iPhone
>> On Oct 25, 2018, at 11:57 AM, M-D November  wrote:
>>>
>>> And she...is...outta here...
>>> https://apple.news/AgLseWXMoSISZcSGUKlTKag (Page 6 via Vanity Fair)
>>>
>>> Update (Oct. 25, 12:52 p.m.): Megyn Kelly Today is done, according to Page 
>>> Six. According to the Daily Mail, the network will have to pay out the rest 
>>> of Kelly’s reported $69 million contract. Her rate was $20 million a year 
>>> when she started in 2017. The Hollywood Reporter, meanwhile, says that 
>>> Kelly’s lawyer is set to meet with NBC execs as soon as Friday to discuss 
>>> her future at the network. Representatives for NBC have not yet responded 
>>> to Vanity Fair’s request for comment.
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Re: [TV orNotTV] Megyn Kelly steps in it again

[Kevin M.]

I could see her hosting Inside Edition or that sort of TMZ/tabloid type of
show.

“Racist fired for being racist” is a ridiculous headline, but sadly it is
no longer career-ending

On Thu, Oct 25, 2018 at 2:41 PM Steve Timko  wrote:

> She burned her bridges at FOX News. I don't see ABC, CBS or CNN touching
> her. Maybe she's the new Deborah Norville, destined to roam the purgatory
> that is syndication?
>
> Not sent from an iPhone
> On Oct 25, 2018, at 11:57 AM, M-D November  wrote:
>>
>> And she...is...outta here...
>> https://apple.news/AgLseWXMoSISZcSGUKlTKag (Page 6 via Vanity Fair)
>>
>> Update (Oct. 25, 12:52 p.m.): Megyn Kelly Today is done, according to Page 
>> Six. According to the Daily Mail, the network will have to pay out the rest 
>> of Kelly’s reported $69 million contract. Her rate was $20 million a year 
>> when she started in 2017. The Hollywood Reporter, meanwhile, says that 
>> Kelly’s lawyer is set to meet with NBC execs as soon as Friday to discuss 
>> her future at the network. Representatives for NBC have not yet responded to 
>> Vanity Fair’s request for comment.
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Re: [TV orNotTV] Megyn Kelly steps in it again

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She burned her bridges at FOX News. I don't see ABC, CBS or CNN touching her. 
Maybe she's the new Deborah Norville, destined to roam the purgatory that is 
syndication?

⁣Not sent from an iPhone​

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wrote:
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>https://apple.news/AgLseWXMoSISZcSGUKlTKag (Page 6 via Vanity Fair)
>
>Update (Oct. 25, 12:52 p.m.): Megyn Kelly Today is done, according to
>Page Six. According to the Daily Mail, the network will have to pay out
>the rest of Kelly’s reported $69 million contract. Her rate was $20
>million a year when she started in 2017. The Hollywood Reporter,
>meanwhile, says that Kelly’s lawyer is set to meet with NBC execs as
>soon as Friday to discuss her future at the network. Representatives
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Re: [TV orNotTV] Megyn Kelly steps in it again

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And she...is...outta here...
https://apple.news/AgLseWXMoSISZcSGUKlTKag (Page 6 via Vanity Fair)

Update (Oct. 25, 12:52 p.m.): Megyn Kelly Today is done, according to Page Six. 
According to the Daily Mail, the network will have to pay out the rest of 
Kelly’s reported $69 million contract. Her rate was $20 million a year when she 
started in 2017. The Hollywood Reporter, meanwhile, says that Kelly’s lawyer is 
set to meet with NBC execs as soon as Friday to discuss her future at the 
network. Representatives for NBC have not yet responded to Vanity Fair’s 
request for comment.

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Re: [TV orNotTV] Megyn Kelly steps in it again

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On Thu, Oct 25, 2018 at 10:25 AM PGage  wrote:

> I don’t think for a minute NBC News is fully woke to evils of blackface.
> Obviously they have been looking for a way out of the MG business. Look for
> her to claim this is retribution for her going after the Matt Lauer story.
>
> Honestly, before this story broke into my twitter feed I had forgotten she
> was still on the air.
>
> https://www.cnn.com/2018/10/25/media/megyn-kelly-nbc/index.html
>

I think the controversy is just a convenient excuse to get rid of her
because of her poor ratings although I don't know what kind of feedback NBC
News execs are getting from employees. Trying to look at a bigger picture
we learn two things: bringing Megyn Kelly from Fox News was supposed to be
a way to bring FNC viewers to the Today Show. They never came so their
loyalty is to the channel, not the stars. And people from Fox News have
become toxic to the rest of the media. It's no surprise to see a senior
correspondent from CBS News move over to CNN. That is not going to happen
to Fox News people - they are stuck there.

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Re: [TV orNotTV] Megyn Kelly steps in it again

[PGage]

I don’t think for a minute NBC News is fully woke to evils of blackface.
Obviously they have been looking for a way out of the MG business. Look for
her to claim this is retribution for her going after the Matt Lauer story.

Honestly, before this story broke into my twitter feed I had forgotten she
was still on the air.


https://www.cnn.com/2018/10/25/media/megyn-kelly-nbc/index.html

New York (CNN Business)"Megyn Kelly Today" is not over yet. But it's a
matter of when, not if.
Kelly's exit from the 9 a.m. hour of the "Today" show appears to be
imminent, according to sources with knowledge of the matter.
Kelly will not be hosting her program on Thursday, and she is unlikely to
return later, one of the sources said. Friday episodes of her show are
usually pre-taped.
"Given the circumstances, Megyn Kelly Today will be on tape the rest of the
week," an NBC News spokeswoman said Thursday morning.
Another source said that Kelly's show will be ending
,
but negotiations about the end date and other details are still underway.
One key question: Whether she will stay with NBC News in some other role.
She is scheduled to participate in the network's midterm election night
coverage in two weeks.

On Thu, Oct 25, 2018 at 6:09 AM PGage  wrote:

> As I wrote, some things are a matter of opinion. I think the term
> “politically correct” is imprecise and loaded and unhelpful, but people do
> vary in their sensitivity to offense, and some are so sensitive they cause
> a burden for others. This is not that.
>
> Blackface is objectively racist. The racism is not imputed by the
> observer, it does not depend on the act of perception. Al Jolson singing
> Mammy is a racist image. People do not impute offense to it; it is, in
> itself, offensive. Now context and relationship can make offensive acts
> tools of resistance, or excusable ignorance. But nothing changes the
> inherent racism.
>
> If a really old German said something like: “Boy it’s hard to keep up with
> what is and is not OK. When I was a kid back in the early 1930s we used
> Swastikas to decorate kid’s birthday parties, and now it is politicallly
> incorrect to just fly a Swastika flag in your front yard” everyone would,
> appropriately, call bullshit on that. What Kelly said is exactly like that.
> I am sure lots of people remember when they could dress in blackface
> without condemnation, or use the word nigger in polite conversation. The
> appropriate observation about that is not “gee, people have become so
> sensitive these days” but more like “gee, I guess we were really fucking
> racist in those days.”
>
> On Wed, Oct 24, 2018 at 9:21 PM Steve Timko  wrote:
>
>> I'm not sure when you mean "honestly say it was not racist." In my case,
>> we did a school play when I was in fourth or fifth grade, maybe third (I
>> was in the east wing of the school at the time) and it included a survey of
>> entertainment. There was the obligatory reference to Al Jolson so they put
>> a kid in black face and had him sing a few Al Jolson lines. To be honest,.
>> I'm not sure we understood that we were caricaturing black people. My town
>> had one black couple. The woman worked in the post office and part time in
>> the high school library in a near by town. When I got to high school I
>> actually had a black classmate. I won't speak for either of them but I
>> never saw overtly racial remarks towards them., I'm sure they were made.
>> But everyone was pretty mellow.
>>
>> On Wed, Oct 24, 2018 at 9:00 PM Kevin M. 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I grew up around racists... no black face... not ever.
>>>
>>> I’ve stated over on my own social media that, growing up in my
>>> neighborhood in Pomona, one could not be racist and have friends. My group
>>> of friends never thought much about it. When our respective moms told us to
>>> “go outside and play,” we played with whichever kids were in the street. My
>>> oldest brother was the only white guy on his high school football team. It
>>> wasn’t weird to us; it was normal and no big deal. Nobody I knew would have
>>> worn black face either as a gag or to be offensive.
>>>
>>> When I went to high school in Corona, I attached myself to the group of
>>> kids who hung around what was called the “scholar bench,” and they were
>>> even more diverse (I brought down the grade curve significantly, yet they
>>> remain my closest friends to this day). Again, black face would not have
>>> been contemplated.
>>>
>>> College up in the state of Washington, most of the campus was white.
>>> That’s how much of Western Washington was at the time. But even surrounded
>>> my mostly white folks, no black face.
>>>
>>> I wrote this not as some sort of humblegrag; my story is not unique. If
>>> you are any age and remember with any degree of nostalgia the racist
>>> behavior of the people you knew when you were younger, you need help.
>>> Racism certainly existed all around me growing up, 

Re: [TV orNotTV] Megyn Kelly steps in it again

[PGage]

As I wrote, some things are a matter of opinion. I think the term
“politically correct” is imprecise and loaded and unhelpful, but people do
vary in their sensitivity to offense, and some are so sensitive they cause
a burden for others. This is not that.

Blackface is objectively racist. The racism is not imputed by the observer,
it does not depend on the act of perception. Al Jolson singing Mammy is a
racist image. People do not impute offense to it; it is, in itself,
offensive. Now context and relationship can make offensive acts tools of
resistance, or excusable ignorance. But nothing changes the inherent racism.

If a really old German said something like: “Boy it’s hard to keep up with
what is and is not OK. When I was a kid back in the early 1930s we used
Swastikas to decorate kid’s birthday parties, and now it is politicallly
incorrect to just fly a Swastika flag in your front yard” everyone would,
appropriately, call bullshit on that. What Kelly said is exactly like that.
I am sure lots of people remember when they could dress in blackface
without condemnation, or use the word nigger in polite conversation. The
appropriate observation about that is not “gee, people have become so
sensitive these days” but more like “gee, I guess we were really fucking
racist in those days.”

On Wed, Oct 24, 2018 at 9:21 PM Steve Timko  wrote:

> I'm not sure when you mean "honestly say it was not racist." In my case,
> we did a school play when I was in fourth or fifth grade, maybe third (I
> was in the east wing of the school at the time) and it included a survey of
> entertainment. There was the obligatory reference to Al Jolson so they put
> a kid in black face and had him sing a few Al Jolson lines. To be honest,.
> I'm not sure we understood that we were caricaturing black people. My town
> had one black couple. The woman worked in the post office and part time in
> the high school library in a near by town. When I got to high school I
> actually had a black classmate. I won't speak for either of them but I
> never saw overtly racial remarks towards them., I'm sure they were made.
> But everyone was pretty mellow.
>
> On Wed, Oct 24, 2018 at 9:00 PM Kevin M.  wrote:
>
>> I grew up around racists... no black face... not ever.
>>
>> I’ve stated over on my own social media that, growing up in my
>> neighborhood in Pomona, one could not be racist and have friends. My group
>> of friends never thought much about it. When our respective moms told us to
>> “go outside and play,” we played with whichever kids were in the street. My
>> oldest brother was the only white guy on his high school football team. It
>> wasn’t weird to us; it was normal and no big deal. Nobody I knew would have
>> worn black face either as a gag or to be offensive.
>>
>> When I went to high school in Corona, I attached myself to the group of
>> kids who hung around what was called the “scholar bench,” and they were
>> even more diverse (I brought down the grade curve significantly, yet they
>> remain my closest friends to this day). Again, black face would not have
>> been contemplated.
>>
>> College up in the state of Washington, most of the campus was white.
>> That’s how much of Western Washington was at the time. But even surrounded
>> my mostly white folks, no black face.
>>
>> I wrote this not as some sort of humblegrag; my story is not unique. If
>> you are any age and remember with any degree of nostalgia the racist
>> behavior of the people you knew when you were younger, you need help.
>> Racism certainly existed all around me growing up, but the bigots were not
>> overt about it. If anything, racists kept it to themselves.
>>
>> On Wed, Oct 24, 2018 at 10:36 PM PGage  wrote:
>>
>>> If you are under 60 and at anytime in your life you can honestly say
>>> that it was not racist for white people to put on blackface when you were
>>> growing up, we know only one things for sure; you grew up around racists.
>>>
>>> Lots of things about race are complex and subject to POV. This is not
>>> one of those things.
>>>
>>> Of course, lots of people grew up around racists, so...
>>>
>>> On Wed, Oct 24, 2018 at 3:45 PM Steve Timko 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 I'm a decade older than Megyn Kelly. When I was a kid, black face was
 still okay, although that was a reflection of a being in a rural mining
 town.  I called Brazil nuts nigger toes until I got into college.
 Of course I learned to be more culturally sensitive. That seems to be
 where Kelly is lacking.
 I wonder if this will show up as an SNL skit?

 On Wed, Oct 24, 2018 at 2:30 PM Chris Neuman  wrote:

> Patton Oswalt tweeted that same sentiment:
>
> https://twitter.com/pattonoswalt/status/1054759947114672129
>
>
> On Wed, Oct 24, 2018 at 1:50 PM Kevin M. 
> wrote:
>
>> How old is Kelly that, as a kid, black face was an acceptable form of
>> dress-up? I’m in my mid 40s... I’m almost certain Kelly is younger than I
>> am, 

Re: [TV orNotTV] Megyn Kelly steps in it again

[Steve Timko]

I'm not sure when you mean "honestly say it was not racist." In my case, we
did a school play when I was in fourth or fifth grade, maybe third (I was
in the east wing of the school at the time) and it included a survey of
entertainment. There was the obligatory reference to Al Jolson so they put
a kid in black face and had him sing a few Al Jolson lines. To be honest,.
I'm not sure we understood that we were caricaturing black people. My town
had one black couple. The woman worked in the post office and part time in
the high school library in a near by town. When I got to high school I
actually had a black classmate. I won't speak for either of them but I
never saw overtly racial remarks towards them., I'm sure they were made.
But everyone was pretty mellow.

On Wed, Oct 24, 2018 at 9:00 PM Kevin M.  wrote:

> I grew up around racists... no black face... not ever.
>
> I’ve stated over on my own social media that, growing up in my
> neighborhood in Pomona, one could not be racist and have friends. My group
> of friends never thought much about it. When our respective moms told us to
> “go outside and play,” we played with whichever kids were in the street. My
> oldest brother was the only white guy on his high school football team. It
> wasn’t weird to us; it was normal and no big deal. Nobody I knew would have
> worn black face either as a gag or to be offensive.
>
> When I went to high school in Corona, I attached myself to the group of
> kids who hung around what was called the “scholar bench,” and they were
> even more diverse (I brought down the grade curve significantly, yet they
> remain my closest friends to this day). Again, black face would not have
> been contemplated.
>
> College up in the state of Washington, most of the campus was white.
> That’s how much of Western Washington was at the time. But even surrounded
> my mostly white folks, no black face.
>
> I wrote this not as some sort of humblegrag; my story is not unique. If
> you are any age and remember with any degree of nostalgia the racist
> behavior of the people you knew when you were younger, you need help.
> Racism certainly existed all around me growing up, but the bigots were not
> overt about it. If anything, racists kept it to themselves.
>
> On Wed, Oct 24, 2018 at 10:36 PM PGage  wrote:
>
>> If you are under 60 and at anytime in your life you can honestly say that
>> it was not racist for white people to put on blackface when you were
>> growing up, we know only one things for sure; you grew up around racists.
>>
>> Lots of things about race are complex and subject to POV. This is not one
>> of those things.
>>
>> Of course, lots of people grew up around racists, so...
>>
>> On Wed, Oct 24, 2018 at 3:45 PM Steve Timko  wrote:
>>
>>> I'm a decade older than Megyn Kelly. When I was a kid, black face was
>>> still okay, although that was a reflection of a being in a rural mining
>>> town.  I called Brazil nuts nigger toes until I got into college.
>>> Of course I learned to be more culturally sensitive. That seems to be
>>> where Kelly is lacking.
>>> I wonder if this will show up as an SNL skit?
>>>
>>> On Wed, Oct 24, 2018 at 2:30 PM Chris Neuman  wrote:
>>>
 Patton Oswalt tweeted that same sentiment:

 https://twitter.com/pattonoswalt/status/1054759947114672129


 On Wed, Oct 24, 2018 at 1:50 PM Kevin M. 
 wrote:

> How old is Kelly that, as a kid, black face was an acceptable form of
> dress-up? I’m in my mid 40s... I’m almost certain Kelly is younger than I
> am, and at no point in my life was black face ever acceptable.
>
> On Wed, Oct 24, 2018 at 11:33 AM Tom Wolper  wrote:
>
>> On Wed, Oct 24, 2018 at 11:04 AM Steve Timko 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> NBC lets her have it. Other networks ignore it.
>>>
>>>
>>> https://www.cnn.com/2018/10/24/media/megyn-kelly-blackface-al-roker/index.html
>>>
>>
>> As I get more of my news through Twitter I am following more
>> journalists of color and feminist journalists in order to get different
>> points of view than my own reacting to events. The African-American
>> journalists I follow and the people they retweet all say that Megyn Kelly
>> has a long history of racist remarks at Fox News and NBC knew what they
>> were getting when they hired her.
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On Thu, Oct 25, 2018 at 12:00 AM Kevin M.  wrote:

> I grew up around racists... no black face... not ever.
>
> I’ve stated over on my own social media that, growing up in my
> neighborhood in Pomona, one could not be racist and have friends. My group
> of friends never thought much about it. When our respective moms told us to
> “go outside and play,” we played with whichever kids were in the street. My
> oldest brother was the only white guy on his high school football team. It
> wasn’t weird to us; it was normal and no big deal. Nobody I knew would have
> worn black face either as a gag or to be offensive.
>
> When I went to high school in Corona, I attached myself to the group of
> kids who hung around what was called the “scholar bench,” and they were
> even more diverse (I brought down the grade curve significantly, yet they
> remain my closest friends to this day). Again, black face would not have
> been contemplated.
>
> College up in the state of Washington, most of the campus was white.
> That’s how much of Western Washington was at the time. But even surrounded
> my mostly white folks, no black face.
>
> I wrote this not as some sort of humblegrag; my story is not unique. If
> you are any age and remember with any degree of nostalgia the racist
> behavior of the people you knew when you were younger, you need help.
> Racism certainly existed all around me growing up, but the bigots were not
> overt about it. If anything, racists kept it to themselves.
>

I don't wish on any young people to experience the racist environment I
grew up in, even though it was in no way threatening to me. I certainly
would not say to someone who expressed being offended by something I said
or wore that it was okay when I was young and they are at fault for being
offended.

Back to Megyn Kelly: she is bouncing between agents because nobody wants to
handle her and NBC News chairman Andy Lack said that they are going to
discuss ending her show.

https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/megyn-kelly-dropped-by-caa-1154923

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Re: [TV orNotTV] Megyn Kelly steps in it again

[Kevin M.]

I grew up around racists... no black face... not ever.

I’ve stated over on my own social media that, growing up in my neighborhood
in Pomona, one could not be racist and have friends. My group of friends
never thought much about it. When our respective moms told us to “go
outside and play,” we played with whichever kids were in the street. My
oldest brother was the only white guy on his high school football team. It
wasn’t weird to us; it was normal and no big deal. Nobody I knew would have
worn black face either as a gag or to be offensive.

When I went to high school in Corona, I attached myself to the group of
kids who hung around what was called the “scholar bench,” and they were
even more diverse (I brought down the grade curve significantly, yet they
remain my closest friends to this day). Again, black face would not have
been contemplated.

College up in the state of Washington, most of the campus was white. That’s
how much of Western Washington was at the time. But even surrounded my
mostly white folks, no black face.

I wrote this not as some sort of humblegrag; my story is not unique. If you
are any age and remember with any degree of nostalgia the racist behavior
of the people you knew when you were younger, you need help. Racism
certainly existed all around me growing up, but the bigots were not overt
about it. If anything, racists kept it to themselves.

On Wed, Oct 24, 2018 at 10:36 PM PGage  wrote:

> If you are under 60 and at anytime in your life you can honestly say that
> it was not racist for white people to put on blackface when you were
> growing up, we know only one things for sure; you grew up around racists.
>
> Lots of things about race are complex and subject to POV. This is not one
> of those things.
>
> Of course, lots of people grew up around racists, so...
>
> On Wed, Oct 24, 2018 at 3:45 PM Steve Timko  wrote:
>
>> I'm a decade older than Megyn Kelly. When I was a kid, black face was
>> still okay, although that was a reflection of a being in a rural mining
>> town.  I called Brazil nuts nigger toes until I got into college.
>> Of course I learned to be more culturally sensitive. That seems to be
>> where Kelly is lacking.
>> I wonder if this will show up as an SNL skit?
>>
>> On Wed, Oct 24, 2018 at 2:30 PM Chris Neuman  wrote:
>>
>>> Patton Oswalt tweeted that same sentiment:
>>>
>>> https://twitter.com/pattonoswalt/status/1054759947114672129
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wed, Oct 24, 2018 at 1:50 PM Kevin M. 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 How old is Kelly that, as a kid, black face was an acceptable form of
 dress-up? I’m in my mid 40s... I’m almost certain Kelly is younger than I
 am, and at no point in my life was black face ever acceptable.

 On Wed, Oct 24, 2018 at 11:33 AM Tom Wolper  wrote:

> On Wed, Oct 24, 2018 at 11:04 AM Steve Timko 
> wrote:
>
>> NBC lets her have it. Other networks ignore it.
>>
>>
>> https://www.cnn.com/2018/10/24/media/megyn-kelly-blackface-al-roker/index.html
>>
>
> As I get more of my news through Twitter I am following more
> journalists of color and feminist journalists in order to get different
> points of view than my own reacting to events. The African-American
> journalists I follow and the people they retweet all say that Megyn Kelly
> has a long history of racist remarks at Fox News and NBC knew what they
> were getting when they hired her.
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[PGage]

If you are under 60 and at anytime in your life you can honestly say that
it was not racist for white people to put on blackface when you were
growing up, we know only one things for sure; you grew up around racists.

Lots of things about race are complex and subject to POV. This is not one
of those things.

Of course, lots of people grew up around racists, so...

On Wed, Oct 24, 2018 at 3:45 PM Steve Timko  wrote:

> I'm a decade older than Megyn Kelly. When I was a kid, black face was
> still okay, although that was a reflection of a being in a rural mining
> town.  I called Brazil nuts nigger toes until I got into college.
> Of course I learned to be more culturally sensitive. That seems to be
> where Kelly is lacking.
> I wonder if this will show up as an SNL skit?
>
> On Wed, Oct 24, 2018 at 2:30 PM Chris Neuman  wrote:
>
>> Patton Oswalt tweeted that same sentiment:
>>
>> https://twitter.com/pattonoswalt/status/1054759947114672129
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Oct 24, 2018 at 1:50 PM Kevin M. 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> How old is Kelly that, as a kid, black face was an acceptable form of
>>> dress-up? I’m in my mid 40s... I’m almost certain Kelly is younger than I
>>> am, and at no point in my life was black face ever acceptable.
>>>
>>> On Wed, Oct 24, 2018 at 11:33 AM Tom Wolper  wrote:
>>>
 On Wed, Oct 24, 2018 at 11:04 AM Steve Timko 
 wrote:

> NBC lets her have it. Other networks ignore it.
>
>
> https://www.cnn.com/2018/10/24/media/megyn-kelly-blackface-al-roker/index.html
>

 As I get more of my news through Twitter I am following more
 journalists of color and feminist journalists in order to get different
 points of view than my own reacting to events. The African-American
 journalists I follow and the people they retweet all say that Megyn Kelly
 has a long history of racist remarks at Fox News and NBC knew what they
 were getting when they hired her.

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>I'm a decade older than Megyn Kelly. When I was a kid, black face was still 
>okay, although that was a reflection of a being in a rural mining town.  I 
>called Brazil nuts nigger toes until I got into college.
 
I’m doubly problematic: one Halloween when I was little, I wore a Fat Albert 
mask.
 
But when it came to native-culture appropriation, my brother was the one 
dressed as Tonto to my Lone Ranger.
 
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Re: [TV orNotTV] Megyn Kelly steps in it again

[Steve Timko]

I'm a decade older than Megyn Kelly. When I was a kid, black face was still
okay, although that was a reflection of a being in a rural mining town.  I
called Brazil nuts nigger toes until I got into college.
Of course I learned to be more culturally sensitive. That seems to be where
Kelly is lacking.
I wonder if this will show up as an SNL skit?

On Wed, Oct 24, 2018 at 2:30 PM Chris Neuman  wrote:

> Patton Oswalt tweeted that same sentiment:
>
> https://twitter.com/pattonoswalt/status/1054759947114672129
>
>
> On Wed, Oct 24, 2018 at 1:50 PM Kevin M.  wrote:
>
>> How old is Kelly that, as a kid, black face was an acceptable form of
>> dress-up? I’m in my mid 40s... I’m almost certain Kelly is younger than I
>> am, and at no point in my life was black face ever acceptable.
>>
>> On Wed, Oct 24, 2018 at 11:33 AM Tom Wolper  wrote:
>>
>>> On Wed, Oct 24, 2018 at 11:04 AM Steve Timko 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 NBC lets her have it. Other networks ignore it.


 https://www.cnn.com/2018/10/24/media/megyn-kelly-blackface-al-roker/index.html

>>>
>>> As I get more of my news through Twitter I am following more journalists
>>> of color and feminist journalists in order to get different points of view
>>> than my own reacting to events. The African-American journalists I follow
>>> and the people they retweet all say that Megyn Kelly has a long history of
>>> racist remarks at Fox News and NBC knew what they were getting when they
>>> hired her.
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Re: [TV orNotTV] Megyn Kelly steps in it again

[Chris Neuman]

Patton Oswalt tweeted that same sentiment:

https://twitter.com/pattonoswalt/status/1054759947114672129


On Wed, Oct 24, 2018 at 1:50 PM Kevin M.  wrote:

> How old is Kelly that, as a kid, black face was an acceptable form of
> dress-up? I’m in my mid 40s... I’m almost certain Kelly is younger than I
> am, and at no point in my life was black face ever acceptable.
>
> On Wed, Oct 24, 2018 at 11:33 AM Tom Wolper  wrote:
>
>> On Wed, Oct 24, 2018 at 11:04 AM Steve Timko 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> NBC lets her have it. Other networks ignore it.
>>>
>>>
>>> https://www.cnn.com/2018/10/24/media/megyn-kelly-blackface-al-roker/index.html
>>>
>>
>> As I get more of my news through Twitter I am following more journalists
>> of color and feminist journalists in order to get different points of view
>> than my own reacting to events. The African-American journalists I follow
>> and the people they retweet all say that Megyn Kelly has a long history of
>> racist remarks at Fox News and NBC knew what they were getting when they
>> hired her.
>>
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Re: [TV orNotTV] Megyn Kelly steps in it again

[Kevin M.]

How old is Kelly that, as a kid, black face was an acceptable form of
dress-up? I’m in my mid 40s... I’m almost certain Kelly is younger than I
am, and at no point in my life was black face ever acceptable.

On Wed, Oct 24, 2018 at 11:33 AM Tom Wolper  wrote:

> On Wed, Oct 24, 2018 at 11:04 AM Steve Timko  wrote:
>
>> NBC lets her have it. Other networks ignore it.
>>
>>
>> https://www.cnn.com/2018/10/24/media/megyn-kelly-blackface-al-roker/index.html
>>
>
> As I get more of my news through Twitter I am following more journalists
> of color and feminist journalists in order to get different points of view
> than my own reacting to events. The African-American journalists I follow
> and the people they retweet all say that Megyn Kelly has a long history of
> racist remarks at Fox News and NBC knew what they were getting when they
> hired her.
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Re: [TV orNotTV] Megyn Kelly steps in it again

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On Wed, Oct 24, 2018 at 11:04 AM Steve Timko  wrote:

> NBC lets her have it. Other networks ignore it.
>
>
> https://www.cnn.com/2018/10/24/media/megyn-kelly-blackface-al-roker/index.html
>

As I get more of my news through Twitter I am following more journalists of
color and feminist journalists in order to get different points of view
than my own reacting to events. The African-American journalists I follow
and the people they retweet all say that Megyn Kelly has a long history of
racist remarks at Fox News and NBC knew what they were getting when they
hired her.

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