Re: GUI as nice as character-based
Well, you have the java choice ;-) Java and javawebstart do the same thing as explain by James. Check http://java.sun.com/products/javawebstart/architecture.html But you'll still locked into Sun (instead of microsoft) ;-) Christophe Dawn M. Wolthuis wrote: And will this next version of .NET run fine on Linux and Mac OS? I don't keep current enough with MS and I know they keep suggesting they will run on Linux and MacOS, but I'm not familiar with any projects that will actually accomplish that. While their .NET efforts do look like they have a lot of things going right for them, I still don't like locking into Microsoft for everything. If I knew I could deploy the results of .NET development efforts on other platforms, I'd be much more interested. --dawn Dawn M. Wolthuis Tincat Group, Inc. www.tincat-group.com Take and give some delight today. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of James Canale, Jr. Sent: Tuesday, April 20, 2004 12:31 PM To: 'U2 Users Discussion List' Subject: RE: GUI as nice as character-based So, shockwave is fine, Java Web Start is fine and anything else that could be installed by users going to this web page and clicking here and that is maintained something like Adobe pdf readers would be fine. In case you haven't seen the next version of .NET yet, Visual Studio 2005 has a Click Once feature that is exactly this. The zero touch deployment or xcopy stuff that started with the first release of .NET was like the first version of Windows, the start of an idea that wasn't really too far along. The next version improves quite a bit on this beginning. Actually, you have options to start from a web 'click', install a link to the desktop/start menu, etc.. It automatically checks/downloads a newer version (or runs locally if no connection to the server). I'm sure there are still going to be some issues (dealing with unmanaged code comes to mind) but, it should work very well with UniObjects.NET (when it gets here). Regards, Jim -- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.oliver.com/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: We need a web based Forum!
Kate, A forum is a message board. If you subscribe to a listserver list (like this one) you start reading and responding from that point forward and everything is ::pushed:: to you mail box. With a forum, you can easily look at posts which pre-date your joining (a big plus) and you have to go to the forum board(s) to find new posts and new responses instead of simply receiving the new stuff as it happens (a big minus). - Charles Dictionary Barouch Kate Stanton wrote: My ignorance is showing. What is the difference between a forum and a list (like this)? -- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.oliver.com/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
RE: We need a web based Forum!
Hi Kate, the web based forum they are talking about is essentially the same as this list. Contrary to some complainants that there is no e-mail notification, there is, in fact, an option for immediate e-mailing of new posts. However, you do need to write your new or response posts on the web site which may be inconvenient for some. For me, for whatever reason (firewall, corp net nanny, etc), I lose about 5% of e-mails from [EMAIL PROTECTED] and the received order is often shuffled so I'm happy to go web. The other advantages I perceive are better file areas - user managed rather than Clif having to do the work, and possibly better apropos discipline. In effect, it's the same, just a different medium. Regards, Stuart -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Kate Stanton Sent: Wednesday, 21 April 2004 14:35 To: U2 Users Discussion List Subject: Re: We need a web based Forum! My ignorance is showing. What is the difference between a forum and a list (like this)? - Original Message - From: Geoffrey Mitchell [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: U2 Users Discussion List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, April 21, 2004 11:09 AM Subject: Re: We need a web based Forum! Why is that an argument? A forum is not the same as a chatroom. It is just as persistent as email. On Tue, 2004-04-20 at 16:38, Kate Stanton wrote: From New Zealand, the main argument against a forum is that we sleep while you work and vice versa. It is 9:30am here now, and 7:30am in Sydney - expect to hear similar story from Australians in about 2 hours. -- -- -- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.oliver.com/mailman/listinfo/u2-users -- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.oliver.com/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ** This email message and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of addressed recipient(s). If you have received this email in error please notify the Spotless IS Support Centre (61 3 9269 7555) immediately who will advise further action. This footnote also confirms that this email message has been scanned for the presence of computer viruses. ** -- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.oliver.com/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
RE: We need a web based Forum!
The main argument against the forum is that some of you out their can not access the web. How can anyone in a development role do their job properly nowadays without being able to access the web. I am sure that if all we had was a forum on the web, admin departments would be told that X needs web access and they would get it. James Hogan, Sungard, Dear Sir, What a luvly world you live in. You have a boss who trusts you. You're allowed internet access. You live in a country where bandwidth isnt a problem. You have an admin dept that would be told. Of all this you are sure. The real world. Africa. The boss is paranoid. He's Austrian/German. He employs engineers and questions their every move. He employs programmers, and doubts their every move. If you're not in telnet you're not working (unles you're in excel), if you have time to load the net, you don't have enough to do. First hand from idiots is always preferable to learned advice from the user list. Programmers don't need to concentrate,keep interrupting them because it broadens their abilities to understand the company. F*** what world do you live in... Better you keep your job whatever the cost, coz they sure don't make 'em like that over here! You don't have a position in nirvana for me, do you? -- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.oliver.com/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: We need a web based Forum!
Dennis, I certainly hope your boss is not on this list! Schalk On Wed, 21 Apr 2004 05:18:49 -0400, Results [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dennis, If it helps you any, I've had bosses like your over here (U. S.) and they come in all nationalities and regions. If misery loves company, then you have more company in this type of misery than you know. In my case, my boss isn't the problem (I work for myself in one business and have a great partner in the second business) but my clients often look at me the way your boss looks at you. - Charles Listserver Barouch Dennis Bartlett wrote: The main argument against the forum is that some of you out their can not access the web. How can anyone in a development role do their job properly nowadays without being able to access the web. I am sure that if all we had was a forum on the web, admin departments would be told that X needs web access and they would get it. James Hogan, Sungard, Dear Sir, What a luvly world you live in. You have a boss who trusts you. You're allowed internet access. You live in a country where bandwidth isnt a problem. You have an admin dept that would be told. Of all this you are sure. The real world. Africa. The boss is paranoid. He's Austrian/German. He employs engineers and questions their every move. He employs programmers, and doubts their every move. If you're not in telnet you're not working (unles you're in excel), if you have time to load the net, you don't have enough to do. First hand from idiots is always preferable to learned advice from the user list. Programmers don't need to concentrate,keep interrupting them because it broadens their abilities to understand the company. F*** what world do you live in... Better you keep your job whatever the cost, coz they sure don't make 'em like that over here! You don't have a position in nirvana for me, do you? -- Using M2, Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/m2/ - GWK BEPERK/LIMITED (REG: 1997/022252/06) POSBUS 47 PO BOX 8730 DOUGLAS Direkteure/Directors: NB Jacobs, FJ Lawrence, J v/d S Botes, JH Coetzee, JGD Smit, JF Jacobs, AO Müller, JW Smit, JP Snyman, JG Stander, JH van Dyk(MD/BD), JG Jacobs, A Müller, Sekr/Secr: E van Niekerk. Hierdie e-pos is onderworpe aan 'n vrywaring beskikbaar by: http://www.gwk.co.za/DisclaimerVrywaring.asp This e-mail is subjected to the disclaimer that can be viewed at: http://www.gwk.co.za/DisclaimerVrywaring.asp -- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.oliver.com/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
RE: [UD] Known ODBC Linux or 6.0 issues?
You'll need to search the archives for this (I don't have any of the stuff you mention :-) but there was discussion about calling virtual fields from ODBC a little while ago. I think at least one of the points was does it rely on environment variables or stuff set up by LOGIN? It appears that ODBC has a different login setup to a normal user - maybe even that UD needs a correct $PATH to find the executable for SUBR? I dunno. Or do the SUBRoutines rely on an initialised COMMON? I think it should work (that was the consensus of the previous thread iirc) but tracking down the exact problem might be a pain. Cheers, Wol -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ken Wallis Sent: 21 April 2004 10:51 To: 'U2 Users Discussion List' Subject: [UD] Known ODBC Linux or 6.0 issues? Sorry to have to throw this out without fully researching it first, but I've got a client with a pressing problem. They are in the final stages of preparing to switch over from their current DG-UX Intel platform running UniData 5.2 to a new Linux based system running 6.0 and ODBC doesn't appear to be working correctly when they access virtual fields that call SUBRoutines. There is one critical process that requires ODBC to be up and running and this makes use of a number of SUBR virtual fields. Needless to say, everything works fine against the DG. The new system is RH 2.1 ES (kernel build 2.4.9-e34smp) running UniData 6.0.5. Is anyone aware of any known issues with ODBC on this platform, or of any gotchas they may have forgotten to set up properly regarding calling SUBRs via dictionary fields accessed through ODBC. The queries apparently run fine if cut and pasted in at the sql prompt (other than a few warnings about missing associations), but blow up with a variety of errors (fetch errors, 81002 and 81001s) when run through MS Query. Ramping the logging level at the server up to 9 seems to show the server log just stopping in mid flow at about the time that the queries blow up and die. Queries which only access data fields run OK, but if they call a SUBR it gets nasty. I'm at a bit of a loss on this one and working only on info gained from a long telephone call at present so I'm afraid the details are sketchy. I'm hoping someone in a different timezone has seen this before and solved it (or knows it can't be solved) so we can short-circuit things a bit tomorrow as I try to track down and resolve this before cutover on the weekend! Cheers, Ken -- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.oliver.com/mailman/listinfo/u2-users This transmission is intended for the named recipient only. It may contain private and confidential information. If this has come to you in error you must not act on anything disclosed in it, nor must you copy it, modify it, disseminate it in any way, or show it to anyone. Please e-mail the sender to inform us of the transmission error or telephone ECA International immediately and delete the e-mail from your information system. Telephone numbers for ECA International offices are: Sydney +61 (0)2 9911 7799, Hong Kong + 852 2121 2388, London +44 (0)20 7351 5000 and New York +1 212 582 2333. -- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.oliver.com/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
RE: GUI as nice as character-based
Hello Tony, At 03:56 PM 21/04/2004, Tony Gravagno wrote: I'm just trying to find the time to get into Mono. I believe it has a bright future and will be great for all of us wanting cross-platform access into our MV apps. Maybe also have a look at dotgnu: http://www.gnu.org/projects/dotgnu/ The mono project gets way more publicity, the project leader is renowned for deliberately stirring to promote his projects(...i think he started an open source 100 year war with the gnome-kde stuff). - Robert -- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.oliver.com/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
ODBC not dropping connection following client crash
I suspect my Executing helper program problem may be related to a rather dodgy NT box (NTECCI) that keeps rebooting unexpectedly. The NT box usually has a few UniData ODBC connections open and it appears UniData isn't clearing up properly after the client crashes. The result is an awful lot of connections. Right now, we are unable to restart UniRPC and the terminal based users of the system are beginning to get refused connections due to number of users exceeding licences. Restarting the UNIX box is a last resort for us. Does anyone have any ideas? Once again, thanks. We are running UniData Release 5.1 Build: (2097) on DG/UX Release R4.20MU07 and get the following netstat: bash-2.05$ netstat -a |grep uv tcp0 0 dgserver1-uvrpc ntecci-4462 ESTABLISHED tcp0 0 dgserver1-uvrpc ntecci-2463 ESTABLISHED tcp0 0 dgserver1-uvrpc ntecci-1383 ESTABLISHED tcp0 0 dgserver1-uvrpc ntecci-1690 ESTABLISHED tcp0 0 dgserver1-uvrpc ntecci-4471 ESTABLISHED tcp0 0 dgserver1-uvrpc ntecci-2971 ESTABLISHED tcp0 0 dgserver1-uvrpc ntecci-1375 ESTABLISHED tcp0 0 dgserver1-uvrpc ntecci-4999 ESTABLISHED tcp0 0 dgserver1-uvrpc ntecci-4499 ESTABLISHED tcp0 0 dgserver1-uvrpc ntecci-1387 ESTABLISHED tcp0 0 dgserver1-uvrpc ntecci-2457 ESTABLISHED tcp0 0 dgserver1-uvrpc ntecci-1051 ESTABLISHED tcp0 0 dgserver1-uvrpc ntecci-2728 ESTABLISHED tcp0 0 dgserver1-uvrpc ntecci-1277 ESTABLISHED tcp0 0 dgserver1-uvrpc ntecci-3677 ESTABLISHED tcp0 0 dgserver1-uvrpc ntecci-1318 ESTABLISHED tcp0 0 dgserver1-uvrpc ntecci-3418 ESTABLISHED tcp0 0 dgserver1-uvrpc ntecci-2821 ESTABLISHED tcp0 0 dgserver1-uvrpc ntecci-1697 ESTABLISHED tcp0 0 dgserver1-uvrpc ntecci-1797 ESTABLISHED tcp0 0 dgserver1-uvrpc ntecci-1272 ESTABLISHED tcp0 0 dgserver1-uvrpc ntecci-4466 ESTABLISHED tcp0 0 dgserver1-uvrpc ntecci-1701 ESTABLISHED tcp0 0 dgserver1-uvrpc ntecci-1684 ESTABLISHED tcp0 0 dgserver1-uvrpc ntecci-2450 ESTABLISHED tcp0 0 dgserver1-uvrpc ntecci-1330 ESTABLISHED tcp0 0 dgserver1-uvrpc ntecci-2827 ESTABLISHED tcp0 0 dgserver1-uvrpc ntecci-2431 ESTABLISHED tcp0 0 dgserver1-uvrpc ntecci-2948 ESTABLISHED tcp0 0 dgserver1-uvrpc ntecci-4648 ESTABLISHED tcp0 0 dgserver1-uvrpc ntecci-2448 ESTABLISHED tcp0 0 dgserver1-uvrpc ntecci-4996 ESTABLISHED tcp0 0 dgserver1-uvrpc ntecci-1410 ESTABLISHED tcp0 0 dgserver1-uvrpc ntecci-1713 ESTABLISHED tcp0 0 dgserver1-uvrpc ntecci-4641 ESTABLISHED tcp0 0 dgserver1-uvrpc ntecci-4645 ESTABLISHED tcp0 0 dgserver1-uvrpc ntecci-4629 ESTABLISHED tcp0 0 dgserver1-uvrpc ntecci-3129 ESTABLISHED tcp0 0 dgserver1-uvrpc ntecci-2722 ESTABLISHED tcp0 0 dgserver1-uvrpc ntecci-1335 ESTABLISHED tcp0 0 dgserver1-uvrpc ntecci-4656 ESTABLISHED tcp0 0 dgserver1-uvrpc ntecci-2337 ESTABLISHED tcp0 0 dgserver1-uvrpc ntecci-1220 ESTABLISHED tcp0 0 dgserver1-uvrpc ntecci-1320 ESTABLISHED tcp0 0 dgserver1-uvrpc ntecci-1325 ESTABLISHED tcp0 0 dgserver1-uvrpc ntecci-4478 ESTABLISHED tcp0 0 dgserver1-uvrpc ntecci-1088 ESTABLISHED tcp0 0 dgserver1-uvrpc ntecci-1288 ESTABLISHED tcp0 0 dgserver1-uvrpc ntecci-1394 ESTABLISHED tcp0 0 dgserver1-uvrpc ntecci-1268 ESTABLISHED bash-2.05$ Peter Welsh Senior IT Development Officer NHS Argyll Clyde -- Welsh, Peter.vcf -- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.oliver.com/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
RE: GUI as nice as character-based
That's a LITTLE unfair :-) Yes Miguel is a publicist, but the war is fought mainly by clueless lusers who don't understand the real issues :-( KDE is C++ and Free, Gnome is C and Open. There are fundamentally deep issues with regard to all four choices, and the developers mostly respect each others' viewpoints. It's a shame the lusers can't too. Cheers, Wol -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Robert Colquhoun Sent: 21 April 2004 11:46 To: U2 Users Discussion List Subject: RE: GUI as nice as character-based Hello Tony, At 03:56 PM 21/04/2004, Tony Gravagno wrote: I'm just trying to find the time to get into Mono. I believe it has a bright future and will be great for all of us wanting cross-platform access into our MV apps. Maybe also have a look at dotgnu: http://www.gnu.org/projects/dotgnu/ The mono project gets way more publicity, the project leader is renowned for deliberately stirring to promote his projects(...i think he started an open source 100 year war with the gnome-kde stuff). - Robert -- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.oliver.com/mailman/listinfo/u2-users This transmission is intended for the named recipient only. It may contain private and confidential information. If this has come to you in error you must not act on anything disclosed in it, nor must you copy it, modify it, disseminate it in any way, or show it to anyone. Please e-mail the sender to inform us of the transmission error or telephone ECA International immediately and delete the e-mail from your information system. Telephone numbers for ECA International offices are: Sydney +61 (0)2 9911 7799, Hong Kong + 852 2121 2388, London +44 (0)20 7351 5000 and New York +1 212 582 2333. -- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.oliver.com/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: Uniobjects / php
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: SNIP But the problem has always been the equivalent of what mvInternet does. That is, connect Apache to Universe. So you have another idea of how to connect Apache (or really any other page server) to Universe? I don't understand what open port 80 means or whether this actually allows Apache to talk directly to Universe or whatever. Will One way is by CGI-scripts: In cgi-bin ( or whatever Your Apache stores them see Apache config ) place a shell script like: ( the echo $form and the | tee log.answer is only for debugging ) And you may want to concatenate some environment variables from apache like $REMOTE_HOST to the form. my.para should start a program that interpretes the forms content ( wich it will find in @COMMAND ) and call the application routines. Whatever is printed to std output from within these will be forwarded to the browser. The format of $form above is variable1=value1variable2=value2... where the values have a few characters encoded as %xx (ascii hexadecimal) e.g. space, equals, ampersand. The html form must be type 'POST' and have an action='myscript' in the form tag refering to the shell script in cgi-bin. Now there are only some minor details left as figuring out how to preserve session level data and setting up rules for translating form fields to u2 actions and ... writing the application :^ ) We have used this approach on netscape and apache http-servers. cheers / mats -- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.oliver.com/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: Uniobjects / php
OOPS my nice looking cut and paste thingy didn't stick: [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: SNIP But the problem has always been the equivalent of what mvInternet does. That is, connect Apache to Universe. So you have another idea of how to connect Apache (or really any other page server) to Universe? I don't understand what open port 80 means or whether this actually allows Apache to talk directly to Universe or whatever. Will One way is by CGI-scripts: In cgi-bin ( or whatever Your Apache stores them see Apache config ) place a shell script like: #!/bin/ksh echo Content-type: text/html echo read form echo $form/var/apache/log.form cd /my/account /u1/uv/bin/uv my.para $form | tee log.answer ( the echo $form and the | tee log.answer is only for debugging ) And you may want to concatenate some environment variables from apache like $REMOTE_HOST to the form. my.para should start a program that interpretes the forms content ( wich it will find in @COMMAND ) and call the application routines. Whatever is printed to std output from within these will be forwarded to the browser. The format of $form above is variable1=value1variable2=value2... where the values have a few characters encoded as %xx (ascii hexadecimal) e.g. space, equals, ampersand. The html form must be type 'POST' and have an action='myscript' in the form tag refering to the shell script in cgi-bin. Now there are only some minor details left as figuring out how to preserve session level data and setting up rules for translating form fields to u2 actions and ... writing the application :^ ) We have used this approach on netscape and apache http-servers. cheers / mats -- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.oliver.com/mailman/listinfo/u2-users -- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.oliver.com/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
RE: GUI as nice as character-based
Java Web Start works reasonably well, and I have used it. But I sure don't see how you are locked in to Sun by using it. The Java libraries will be perpetuated with or without Sun. For example, IBM develops with Java, and I'm certain they don't think they are locked into Sun. Locked into Microsoft implies dollars (forever) while locked into Java doesn't feel like as much of a prison at all. Agree? --dawn Dawn M. Wolthuis Tincat Group, Inc. www.tincat-group.com Take and give some delight today. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Christophe Marchal Sent: Wednesday, April 21, 2004 1:03 AM To: U2 Users Discussion List Subject: Re: GUI as nice as character-based Well, you have the java choice ;-) Java and javawebstart do the same thing as explain by James. Check http://java.sun.com/products/javawebstart/architecture.html But you'll still locked into Sun (instead of microsoft) ;-) Christophe Dawn M. Wolthuis wrote: And will this next version of .NET run fine on Linux and Mac OS? I don't keep current enough with MS and I know they keep suggesting they will run on Linux and MacOS, but I'm not familiar with any projects that will actually accomplish that. While their .NET efforts do look like they have a lot of things going right for them, I still don't like locking into Microsoft for everything. If I knew I could deploy the results of .NET development efforts on other platforms, I'd be much more interested. --dawn Dawn M. Wolthuis Tincat Group, Inc. www.tincat-group.com Take and give some delight today. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of James Canale, Jr. Sent: Tuesday, April 20, 2004 12:31 PM To: 'U2 Users Discussion List' Subject: RE: GUI as nice as character-based So, shockwave is fine, Java Web Start is fine and anything else that could be installed by users going to this web page and clicking here and that is maintained something like Adobe pdf readers would be fine. In case you haven't seen the next version of .NET yet, Visual Studio 2005 has a Click Once feature that is exactly this. The zero touch deployment or xcopy stuff that started with the first release of .NET was like the first version of Windows, the start of an idea that wasn't really too far along. The next version improves quite a bit on this beginning. Actually, you have options to start from a web 'click', install a link to the desktop/start menu, etc.. It automatically checks/downloads a newer version (or runs locally if no connection to the server). I'm sure there are still going to be some issues (dealing with unmanaged code comes to mind) but, it should work very well with UniObjects.NET (when it gets here). Regards, Jim -- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.oliver.com/mailman/listinfo/u2-users -- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.oliver.com/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
RE: We need a web based Forum!
I didn't suggest using Yahoo Groups, just using it as an example. I hate the ads...but then again, it's free too. From my experience, I've usually seen fairly good response times to posts and replies (2 hrs). Whether it makes a difference of .us vs .au don't know. But some of the replies have been from .au addresses and were quite timely. This whole thread reminds me of when I tried to give away a working TV at a hamfest (flea market for radio equip) one year. People would pick it up, smell it, scutinize it, shake it, asked if it worked. This went on for 2 hours. Finally, I put a $1 price tag on it. It sold in less than 2 minutes, with no questions asked. The moral of the story, when something is free, you expect the world from it/for it, but if you think your getting a great buy for your money, your willing to accept almost any flaw. George -Original Message- From: Craig Bennett [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, April 20, 2004 7:32 PM To: U2 Users Discussion List Subject: Re: We need a web based Forum! Yahoo groups works this way. You can either post via the web, or from Email, and receive either web only or also via email. Of course, if the forum being used is canned, and doesn't have those options, it might be a bit more difficult to do what we want. George But George Yahoo Groups can be SLOW. I tried to run a tutorial mailing list in yahoo groups and it could take days for my responses to students to appear. Craig -- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.oliver.com/mailman/listinfo/u2-users -- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.oliver.com/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: GUI as nice as character-based
Dawn M. Wolthuis wrote: Java Web Start works reasonably well, and I have used it. But I sure don't see how you are locked in to Sun by using it. The Java libraries will be perpetuated with or without Sun. For example, IBM develops with Java, and I'm certain they don't think they are locked into Sun. Locked into Microsoft implies dollars (forever) while locked into Java doesn't feel like as much of a prison at all. Agree? --dawn Dawn M. Wolthuis Tincat Group, Inc. www.tincat-group.com Take and give some delight today. Only if Sun makes Java so it has special enhancements that are solely available on Solaris, a-la J++. David Beahm In a world without walls or fences, who needs Windows or Gates? - unknown -- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.oliver.com/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: We need a web based Forum!
Sorry it has been a day before I reply, however getting the digest version delays my response somewhat. I take my hat of to people who deal with the deluge of individual emails each day! Will said: But if this works like boards.ancestry.com or www.genforum.com then if you post via the email, your posting does not show up integrated into the boards. So some information is lost unless we have also an archival engine that saves all emails, integrating them into archived forum posts to re-form the consistent thread I think there are better solutions out there. For example searching the web (having web access allows staff to find solutions for your company!) I was able to find this http://phorum.org/ - Phorum is a web based message board written in PHP. Phorum is designed with high-availability and visitor ease of use in mind. Features such as mailing list integration, easy customization and simple installation make Phorum a powerful add-in to any website. It is also very common for newgroups to have mail integration e.g. http://gaffa.org/faq/faq_1_2.html Keith upton said: How about company/department policy? And why can't I do my job properly without having access to the web? How do you access the IBM Online features such as the Knowlege base, Availability index, online call management etc. etc. How do you keep up to date with the latest technology. Find information patches for your OS/ Software / Hardware. The list goes on. I really can not see how I could do my development job without this essential tool. Company /department policy can be changed, if you can show that the company gets benefits, such as fixes found quicker / questions answered quicker. No one is saying every person in the company needs web access. Maybe one web access terminal is shared by a number of people. This avoids the complaint that people are surfing the net not working. Talking of working James Hogan Sungard -- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.oliver.com/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
MVInternet (was: Re: Uniobjects / php)
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Here's my expertise: 1) Pick BASIC 2) I can write HTML and I wrote a few javascripts! 3) I setup Apache as a web server Then Pixius' product is *perfect* for you, that's all you need. Using exactly that, we had both a reporting front-end (read-only) and one that was read-write for users to enter records into a handful of files. If we knew then what we know now, we might still be using it, but we didn't design it very well and it became difficult to maintain. That was *our* fault, and perhaps an inherent issue with procedural programming where all variables are global-- the usual gripes about UniBasic coming from an object-oriented programmer. But the problem has always been the equivalent of what mvInternet does. That is, connect Apache to Universe. So you have another idea of how to connect Apache (or really any other page server) to Universe? I don't understand what open port 80 means or whether this actually allows Apache to talk directly to Universe or whatever. What do you not like about MVInternet? I didn't do the original setup, but you need to configure Apache so that it does CGI, probably by installing a module (?). Then you place mvi.exe in the cgi-bin directory, it has a config file to tell it what to connect to, and it basically logs in with a telnet session and runs UniBasic programs at the colon prompt. The output of those (whatever you CRT to the screen, which is now HTML instead of columns of data) gets captured, you tell it to swap [TOKEN.NAMES] with the values that you set up in two dynamic arrays, and it sends the resulting HTML out to the browser. I think there's a trial version, grab it and ask if you have any questions. Port 80 is the default HTTP (web) port. It's what you connect to when you type http://www.example.com. Sometimes you will see a URL like http://www.example.com:8081 where the number after the colon is a different port number. If you have a URL starting with https:// it is going to port 443, the default SSL port. Apparently you can use CallHTTP to answer requests directly from UniVerse. I would not expose a port on my production database server to the internet, however! -- Wendy Smoak Application Systems Analyst, Sr. ASU IA Information Resources Management -- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.oliver.com/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
OT: RE: We need a web based Forum!
OK, I hate to keep perpetuating this thread, which has nothing to do with U2, but... That has not been my experience with web forums. Most forum software I have seen brings topics with recent replies to the top, and highlights threads with new activity. I have seen long dormant threads become active again weeks or months later because someone happened to read them and reply. As for the lack of immediacy, good email integration seems to me to solve that. The argument that, for some people, access to email is more acceptable in their environment than access to email, however, is a very valid one. On Wed, 2004-04-21 at 02:03, Anthony Youngman wrote: But it is far less immediate. I sometimes have conversations with people stateside. I'll find an email when I get to work at 8am BST (British Summer Time, not Bering Straights Time :-). I'll respond. Then the person it was aimed at will get to work at, say, 9am New York Time, respond, and we bounce ideas around for an hour or so before I go home. A forum relies on me (a) noticing their message at 8am my time - and forum scanning puts me off - I miss loads. Then (b) they've got to notice early morning their time that I responded, and (c) I've got to catch them at it! That just won't happen, in the normal course of events. One of the reasons I've abandoned many fora is that I keep coming across plenty of conversations that happened while I was away, but could easily have contributed to. And I get p*ssed off that my (I fool myself they are relevant) comments get ignored because the subject has now gone stale. Cheers, Wol. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Geoffrey Mitchell Sent: 21 April 2004 00:10 To: U2 Users Discussion List Subject: Re: We need a web based Forum! Why is that an argument? A forum is not the same as a chatroom. It is just as persistent as email. On Tue, 2004-04-20 at 16:38, Kate Stanton wrote: From New Zealand, the main argument against a forum is that we sleep while you work and vice versa. It is 9:30am here now, and 7:30am in Sydney - expect to hear similar story from Australians in about 2 hours. This transmission is intended for the named recipient only. It may contain private and confidential information. If this has come to you in error you must not act on anything disclosed in it, nor must you copy it, modify it, disseminate it in any way, or show it to anyone. Please e-mail the sender to inform us of the transmission error or telephone ECA International immediately and delete the e-mail from your information system. Telephone numbers for ECA International offices are: Sydney +61 (0)2 9911 7799, Hong Kong + 852 2121 2388, London +44 (0)20 7351 5000 and New York +1 212 582 2333. -- Geoffrey Mitchell 314-684-1062 Programmer/Analyst [EMAIL PROTECTED] Knights Direct -- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.oliver.com/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
RE: RE: We need a web based Forum!
Except you've only addressed one minor point of mine. The fact is, most activity seems to happen stateside. Email means I can actually hold a conversation with someone stateside. A forum means any conversation is likely to go like a satellite phone - with a TWELVE HOUR delay (on average) between each side speaking :-( It's bad enough with the 3 second delay you typically get on the phone as the signal goes via outer space, without it being twelve hours as it goes via timezones. For me, the practicalities are that fora turn into passive entertainment. I can't join in, even if I want to. So don't expect me to bother ... Cheers, Wol -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Geoffrey Mitchell Sent: 21 April 2004 15:18 To: U2 Users Discussion List Subject: OT: RE: We need a web based Forum! OK, I hate to keep perpetuating this thread, which has nothing to do with U2, but... That has not been my experience with web forums. Most forum software I have seen brings topics with recent replies to the top, and highlights threads with new activity. I have seen long dormant threads become active again weeks or months later because someone happened to read them and reply. As for the lack of immediacy, good email integration seems to me to solve that. The argument that, for some people, access to email is more acceptable in their environment than access to email, however, is a very valid one. On Wed, 2004-04-21 at 02:03, Anthony Youngman wrote: But it is far less immediate. I sometimes have conversations with people stateside. I'll find an email when I get to work at 8am BST (British Summer Time, not Bering Straights Time :-). I'll respond. Then the person it was aimed at will get to work at, say, 9am New York Time, respond, and we bounce ideas around for an hour or so before I go home. A forum relies on me (a) noticing their message at 8am my time - and forum scanning puts me off - I miss loads. Then (b) they've got to notice early morning their time that I responded, and (c) I've got to catch them at it! That just won't happen, in the normal course of events. One of the reasons I've abandoned many fora is that I keep coming across plenty of conversations that happened while I was away, but could easily have contributed to. And I get p*ssed off that my (I fool myself they are relevant) comments get ignored because the subject has now gone stale. Cheers, Wol. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Geoffrey Mitchell Sent: 21 April 2004 00:10 To: U2 Users Discussion List Subject: Re: We need a web based Forum! Why is that an argument? A forum is not the same as a chatroom. It is just as persistent as email. On Tue, 2004-04-20 at 16:38, Kate Stanton wrote: From New Zealand, the main argument against a forum is that we sleep while you work and vice versa. It is 9:30am here now, and 7:30am in Sydney - expect to hear similar story from Australians in about 2 hours. This transmission is intended for the named recipient only. It may contain private and confidential information. If this has come to you in error you must not act on anything disclosed in it, nor must you copy it, modify it, disseminate it in any way, or show it to anyone. Please e-mail the sender to inform us of the transmission error or telephone ECA International immediately and delete the e-mail from your information system. Telephone numbers for ECA International offices are: Sydney +61 (0)2 9911 7799, Hong Kong + 852 2121 2388, London +44 (0)20 7351 5000 and New York +1 212 582 2333. -- Geoffrey Mitchell 314-684-1062 Programmer/Analyst [EMAIL PROTECTED] Knights Direct -- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.oliver.com/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: GUI as nice as character-based
Yes, I agree. But .NET is also an open specification, the .NET file format and the jvm are ecma standardized. And there is already an open .net vm : mono. So using .net does not locked more into microsoft than using sun lock you into sun. And the .NET jvm is free of charge, so no more dollars to microsoft. And it is installed with every windows update, so every windows user has already a good environment for .NET. More easy for us than installing java vm. And the last events show us that sun does not want to open Java. So if sun dies, nobody can continue developping java. It was only a kind of joke (why I used a smiley ;-), I don't want to start a war about sun/java versus Microsoft/.NET especially with the last agreement between sun and ms ;-) Just use your prefered tool, I'll be ever productive than with a world-standard that you hate. Christophe Dawn M. Wolthuis wrote: Java Web Start works reasonably well, and I have used it. But I sure don't see how you are locked in to Sun by using it. The Java libraries will be perpetuated with or without Sun. For example, IBM develops with Java, and I'm certain they don't think they are locked into Sun. Locked into Microsoft implies dollars (forever) while locked into Java doesn't feel like as much of a prison at all. Agree? --dawn Dawn M. Wolthuis Tincat Group, Inc. www.tincat-group.com Take and give some delight today. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Christophe Marchal Sent: Wednesday, April 21, 2004 1:03 AM To: U2 Users Discussion List Subject: Re: GUI as nice as character-based Well, you have the java choice ;-) Java and javawebstart do the same thing as explain by James. Check http://java.sun.com/products/javawebstart/architecture.html But you'll still locked into Sun (instead of microsoft) ;-) Christophe -- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.oliver.com/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
RE: How to SQLize the a UniData table!
Fawaz, Have you installed VSG on your PC? It is used for make Unidata files into SQL tables and views. Also, it helps if you have Unidata 6.0 installed. Once you have an SQL table, you can install the ODBC drivers under windows, assuming you are using windows, and create a DSN to retrieve tables with Access, Excel and others. HTH! Frank [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Fawaz Ashraff Sent: Wednesday, April 21, 2004 11:11 AM To: U2 Users Discussion List Subject: How to SQLize the a UniData table! Hi All, We are trying to use UniSQL to retrieve data from a UniData file. Since this is our first attempt, need to know how to create Dictionary items which will work with UniSql statement. I also need to know whether this should be done for all the dictionary items in the file or only the one we are planning to use with UniSQL. Are there any changes to be made to the UniData configfile? Should we have UniObject to use UniSQL? Cheers Fawaz __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Photos: High-quality 4x6 digital prints for 25¢ http://photos.yahoo.com/ph/print_splash -- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.oliver.com/mailman/listinfo/u2-users -- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.oliver.com/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
RE: How to SQLize the a UniData table!
1. Creating UniSQL compliant dictionary items. Have a look at the command CREATE.SQL which will set up the relevant items in a compliant fashion e.g. dashes become underscores. 2. When we did this, we set up separate VOC pointers to the files of interest with separate dictionaries. The create.sql will populate the dictionary and you can add and remove freely to this dict. 3. Changes to files. To access the sql data remotely via OLEDB/ODBC requires the unirpc service to be enabled. 4. Uniobjects is not required to use unisql from the udt session (Umm.. I'm assuming UNIX not so sure on windows, don't think so) The documentation around the schema API may also be of use to you. Good luck! Nick -Original Message- From: Fawaz Ashraff [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 21 April 2004 16:11 To: U2 Users Discussion List Subject: How to SQLize the a UniData table! Hi All, We are trying to use UniSQL to retrieve data from a UniData file. Since this is our first attempt, need to know how to create Dictionary items which will work with UniSql statement. I also need to know whether this should be done for all the dictionary items in the file or only the one we are planning to use with UniSQL. Are there any changes to be made to the UniData configfile? Should we have UniObject to use UniSQL? Cheers Fawaz __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Photos: High-quality 4x6 digital prints for 25¢ http://photos.yahoo.com/ph/print_splash -- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.oliver.com/mailman/listinfo/u2-users This correspondence is confidential and is solely for the intended recipient(s). If you are not the intended recipient, you must not use, disclose, copy, distribute or retain this message or any part of it. If you are not the intended recipient please delete this correspondence from your system and notify the sender immediately. No warranty is given that this correspondence is free from any virus. In keeping with good computer practice, you should ensure that it is actually virus free. E-mail messages may be subject to delays, non-delivery and unauthorised alterations therefore, information expressed in this message is not given or endorsed by Open and Direct Group Limited unless otherwise notified by our duly authorised representative independent of this message. Open and Direct Group Limited is a limited company registered in United Kingdom under number 4390810 whose registered office is at 10 Norwich Street, London, EC4A 1BD -- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.oliver.com/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
RE: [UD] Known ODBC Linux or 6.0 issues?
I think someone posted the name of the voc entry required if you want to do something at the time of an ODBC login, such as initializing named common memory. Otherwise, I suspect it is in the doc somewhere (sorry I don't have more details). Check the voc on your previous system for an entry like ...ODBC... and on the new and be sure the same routine is present, compiled, cataloged on both machines. --dawn Dawn M. Wolthuis Tincat Group, Inc. www.tincat-group.com Take and give some delight today. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ken Wallis Sent: Wednesday, April 21, 2004 4:51 AM To: 'U2 Users Discussion List' Subject: [UD] Known ODBC Linux or 6.0 issues? Sorry to have to throw this out without fully researching it first, but I've got a client with a pressing problem. They are in the final stages of preparing to switch over from their current DG-UX Intel platform running UniData 5.2 to a new Linux based system running 6.0 and ODBC doesn't appear to be working correctly when they access virtual fields that call SUBRoutines. There is one critical process that requires ODBC to be up and running and this makes use of a number of SUBR virtual fields. Needless to say, everything works fine against the DG. The new system is RH 2.1 ES (kernel build 2.4.9-e34smp) running UniData 6.0.5. Is anyone aware of any known issues with ODBC on this platform, or of any gotchas they may have forgotten to set up properly regarding calling SUBRs via dictionary fields accessed through ODBC. The queries apparently run fine if cut and pasted in at the sql prompt (other than a few warnings about missing associations), but blow up with a variety of errors (fetch errors, 81002 and 81001s) when run through MS Query. Ramping the logging level at the server up to 9 seems to show the server log just stopping in mid flow at about the time that the queries blow up and die. Queries which only access data fields run OK, but if they call a SUBR it gets nasty. I'm at a bit of a loss on this one and working only on info gained from a long telephone call at present so I'm afraid the details are sketchy. I'm hoping someone in a different timezone has seen this before and solved it (or knows it can't be solved) so we can short-circuit things a bit tomorrow as I try to track down and resolve this before cutover on the weekend! Cheers, Ken -- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.oliver.com/mailman/listinfo/u2-users -- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.oliver.com/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
RE: GUI as nice as character-based
Even though AFAIK the C# compiler itself is still available free. Yes, the VB.NET and the C# compiler are absolutely free. There is NOTHING that you can do with Visual Studio.NET that you can't do with the free download and notepad (or other). Actually, there are things you can do with the command line that can't be done in the VS IDE (multiple modules into single dll, I believe). The only thing that the VS IDE does is make you a bit more productive. Regards, Jim -- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.oliver.com/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: What client platform do YOU use (Parallel to GUI thread)
Okay, I'll bite. I use Linux exclusively, other than when forced to run win98 or win2000, which I do on Linux in a VMware Workstation window, with my Linux streaming video or audio running in the background... (my personal touch) Running gnome-terminal in 80x60 mode, I can connect to our traditional 'green screen' APP and see more, especially when coding more 'green screen' parts to our APP. Karl On Mon, 2004-04-19 at 21:35, Ross Ferris wrote: Anyone up for a little straw poll ? A recurrent theme that I see played out in this related forums is the well, does it run on MAC or Linux on the Desktop question. Often, when asked, the people that raised the issue don't have either platform in their installation - it is merely a standard question that they feel compelled to ask ?!? Maybe it is just me - I don't live in the big smoke - but (to date) I simply haven't seen any significant demand for workstation support (GUI or CUI) outside of windows. SO, I think to myself, I wonder what the REAL numbers are - I mean theory is one thing, but how do the numbers stack up in the real world? How many people are there that actually do use, or WANT to use (I'm talking management want here, not the gee, if I had my way kind of thing) non-windows platforms on the desktop ?. I'm happy to kick it off. Of the (application) systems that we have installed over the years, discounting green screens, we have deployed to probably around 1,500 workstation devices -- all Windows (even back as far as 3.11) I've had the Mac option raised twice - I remember each one clearly ! Once at a printers (who are 'big' MAC users traditionally) for 3 devices, and once at a distribution company where the owner had a MAC at home he wanted to use remotely that's it - potential market 4 out of around 1,500. Any other takers ? I need to point out that I'm not LOOKING for exceptions, merely the state of the desktop, so if you only have Wintel desktops, please step up be counted - and if there is a vast ocean of hidden MAC and Linux desktops out there, please identify yourself Ross Ferris Stamina Software Visage an Evolution in Software Development 1) Be able to use any Windows, new Mac (unix) or Linux client --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.659 / Virus Database: 423 - Release Date: 15/04/2004 -- Karl L. Pearson Director of IT, ATS Industrial Supply Direct: 801-978-4429 Toll-free: 888-972-3182 x29 Fax: 801-972-3888 http://www.atsindustrial.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.oliver.com/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: We need a web based Forum!
Oh. The Microsoft model... :-) On Apr 21, 2004, at 6:29, George Gallen wrote: from it/for it, but if you think your getting a great buy for your money, your willing to accept almost any flaw. -- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.oliver.com/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
RE: We need a web based Forum!
Never thought about that.h. Except their products aren't cheap! and don't always work. Which in the case of the TV, definitely worked, and for $1 was cheap. George -Original Message- From: Clif Oliver [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, April 21, 2004 1:00 PM To: U2 Users Discussion List Subject: Re: We need a web based Forum! Oh. The Microsoft model... :-) On Apr 21, 2004, at 6:29, George Gallen wrote: from it/for it, but if you think your getting a great buy for your money, your willing to accept almost any flaw. -- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.oliver.com/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
RE: What client platform do YOU use (Parallel to GUI thread)
I attended a VMWare symposium sponsored by IBM, Novell and a local (quite large) consulting/programming/implementation firm. The representative from Novell stated they would be completely off M$ products by the end of the year with nearly all desktops using Suse Linux and OpenOffice.org for their office suite. Apparently Novell has purchased Suse, or at least a 'port' of Suse. Also, he stated that all of Novell's commercial products would continue to run on Windows, because of client demand, however their main focus would be in writing/rewriting everything to run on Linux. That project was to have been completed by last week, with announcements coming soon. Since I'm not even remotely involved with Novell products, I haven't kept tabs on that portion of the project. The IBM reps stated they they are also moving off M$ products. Just my 2 '.01's (insert appropriate currency marker) Karl On Tue, 2004-04-20 at 01:10, Anthony Youngman wrote: It's difficult to tell (of course) but anecdotal evidence says that linux has overtaken Mac on the desktop. Bear in mind that linux browsers often identify themselves as IE in order to fool stupid sites in to working :-( Oh - and we're *guaranteed* a massive collision in server space within the next 18 months or so ... Linux is at 25% of the market and growing at 50% a year, Windows is still nudging slowly upwards and at 55%. Obviously, if the market itself grows, then this combination of figures could be sustained a bit longer, but absent that the alternatives will have disappeared and linux and windows will be the only games in town - and we've had a couple of high-profile windows to linux conversions hit the news headlines in the last couple of weeks here - for example, John Lewis are quoted as saying we ported because Windows couldn't cope with the growth in demand :-) Just as MS is using its grip on the client to push into the server room, expect linux to do it the other way round ... Cheers, Wol -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 20 April 2004 04:58 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: What client platform do YOU use (Parallel to GUI thread) SO, I think to myself, I wonder what the REAL numbers are?. According to http://www.google.com/press/zeitgeist.html Windows 90%+ Mac 4% Linux1% If anything over the last few years windows market share has been increasing as mac which used to be in excess of 5% fades slightly - Robert This transmission is intended for the named recipient only. It may contain private and confidential information. If this has come to you in error you must not act on anything disclosed in it, nor must you copy it, modify it, disseminate it in any way, or show it to anyone. Please e-mail the sender to inform us of the transmission error or telephone ECA International immediately and delete the e-mail from your information system. Telephone numbers for ECA International offices are: Sydney +61 (0)2 9911 7799, Hong Kong + 852 2121 2388, London +44 (0)20 7351 5000 and New York +1 212 582 2333. -- Karl L. Pearson Director of IT, ATS Industrial Supply Direct: 801-978-4429 Toll-free: 888-972-3182 x29 Fax: 801-972-3888 http://www.atsindustrial.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.oliver.com/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
RE: GUI as nice as character-based
I wrote: ... An Enterprise level shop doesn't care that the software costs over US1000 and probably wouldn't be using PHP for development. The Borland model is bl**dy expensive. Dangit, I meant to emphasize that The Borland model NOT is bl**dy expensive. -- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.oliver.com/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: We need a web based Forum!
In a message dated 4/21/2004 9:43:04 AM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I think there are better solutions out there. For example searching the web (having web access allows staff to find solutions for your company!) I was able to find this http://phorum.org/ - Phorum is a web based message board written in PHP. Phorum is designed with high-availability and visitor ease of use in mind. Features such as mailing list integration, easy customization and simple installation make Phorum a powerful add-in to any website. It is also very common for newgroups to have mail integration e.g. http://gaffa.org/faq/faq_1_2.html I disagree that its very common to have what I posted. But I'm not sure you understood me. Let's say I'm subscribed to both the forum and its corresponding email list. If I send a message to the email list only, will it appear on the forum site? Or alternatively will it appear in the archives of the forum site? That's the question. Will -- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.oliver.com/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: What client platform do YOU use (Parallel to GUI thread)
Karl, Sounds interesting. So you have a screen that is 80 columns by 60 rows. Does that mean that you can than do PRINT @(0,60) to get the bottom line of the screen? And can you do 132 by 60?? Steve -Original Message- From: Karl L Pearson [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Apr 21, 2004 12:51 PM To: U2 Users Discussion List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: What client platform do YOU use (Parallel to GUI thread) Okay, I'll bite. I use Linux exclusively, other than when forced to run win98 or win2000, which I do on Linux in a VMware Workstation window, with my Linux streaming video or audio running in the background... (my personal touch) Running gnome-terminal in 80x60 mode, I can connect to our traditional 'green screen' APP and see more, especially when coding more 'green screen' parts to our APP. Karl On Mon, 2004-04-19 at 21:35, Ross Ferris wrote: Anyone up for a little straw poll ? A recurrent theme that I see played out in this related forums is the well, does it run on MAC or Linux on the Desktop question. Often, when asked, the people that raised the issue don't have either platform in their installation - it is merely a standard question that they feel compelled to ask ?!? Maybe it is just me - I don't live in the big smoke - but (to date) I simply haven't seen any significant demand for workstation support (GUI or CUI) outside of windows. SO, I think to myself, I wonder what the REAL numbers are - I mean theory is one thing, but how do the numbers stack up in the real world? How many people are there that actually do use, or WANT to use (I'm talking management want here, not the gee, if I had my way kind of thing) non-windows platforms on the desktop ?. I'm happy to kick it off. Of the (application) systems that we have installed over the years, discounting green screens, we have deployed to probably around 1,500 workstation devices -- all Windows (even back as far as 3.11) I've had the Mac option raised twice - I remember each one clearly ! Once at a printers (who are 'big' MAC users traditionally) for 3 devices, and once at a distribution company where the owner had a MAC at home he wanted to use remotely that's it - potential market 4 out of around 1,500. Any other takers ? I need to point out that I'm not LOOKING for exceptions, merely the state of the desktop, so if you only have Wintel desktops, please step up be counted - and if there is a vast ocean of hidden MAC and Linux desktops out there, please identify yourself Ross Ferris Stamina Software Visage ? an Evolution in Software Development 1) Be able to use any Windows, new Mac (unix) or Linux client --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.659 / Virus Database: 423 - Release Date: 15/04/2004 -- Karl L. Pearson Director of IT, ATS Industrial Supply Direct: 801-978-4429 Toll-free: 888-972-3182 x29 Fax: 801-972-3888 http://www.atsindustrial.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.oliver.com/mailman/listinfo/u2-users -- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.oliver.com/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
RE: [OT] MSDN
Replied to e-mail request before I saw this. Yes, everything comes direct from Microsoft, DVDs, newsletters, support, etc. MS never questioned the source and I get the same services as anyone who buys direct. I have never received anything from the original vendor. Where did you find the legal MSDN for $1300? My renewal is now up for $2300 and with the DVD rebate, it is still $2000. Do the shipments still come directly from Microsoft? Thanks. Regards, Jim For Visual Studio .NET I acquired a legal copy of an MSDN Universal subscription for US1300, the included freebies brought that down to a net of less than $1000. -- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.oliver.com/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [UD] Known ODBC Linux or 6.0 issues?
Ken, At the risk of stating the obvious, have you checked that the correct version of the SUBR is cataloged? Sorry to have to throw this out without fully researching it first, but I've got a client with a pressing problem. They are in the final stages of preparing to switch over from their current DG-UX Intel platform running UniData 5.2 to a new Linux based system running 6.0 and ODBC doesn't appear to be working correctly when they access virtual fields that call SUBRoutines. Ken - Sincerely, Charles Barouch www.KeyAlly.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.oliver.com/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [OT] MSDN
Stop teasing us, Tony. grin What's the source where we can get MSDN subscriptions for $1,300? -- Regards, Clif On Apr 21, 2004, at 12:36, Tony Gravagno wrote: Replied to e-mail request before I saw this. Yes, everything comes direct from Microsoft, DVDs, newsletters, support, etc. MS never questioned the source and I get the same services as anyone who buys direct. I have never received anything from the original vendor. Where did you find the legal MSDN for $1300? My renewal is now up for $2300 and with the DVD rebate, it is still $2000. Do the shipments still come directly from Microsoft? Thanks. Regards, Jim For Visual Studio .NET I acquired a legal copy of an MSDN Universal subscription for US1300, the included freebies brought that down to a net of less than $1000. -- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.oliver.com/mailman/listinfo/u2-users -- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.oliver.com/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
[AD] Job in Salinas, CA
Apologies to those of you in u2-community who are seeing this again. The City of Salinas, in Salinas, CA (Central Coast of California) is hiring a Senior Programmer Analyst. The following link contains information on how to apply: http://www.ci.salinas.ca.us/Admin/HRjobs/SrProg.html The posting closes May 17, 2004. Besides doing development in Universe on Unix, we also support several third party packages that use Microsoft SQL Server. In addition, we support the city's GIS system using ESRI's ArcGIS and ArcIMS products. Georgia Pritchett Integration and Applications Admin City of Salinas happy employee since 1990 -- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.oliver.com/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
RE: We need a web based Forum!
This is a good conversation and one we ought to be able to make progress with over time. When the U2UG board agreed to take on the u2-users list from Clif, we figured that we would serve the community best if we don't vary too many factors at one time. We would prefer that the move from [EMAIL PROTECTED] to [EMAIL PROTECTED] at the end of this month be painless enough that we don't lose community members. Once u2-users is happily living in its new home and the www.u2ug.org site is a place you want to go to regularly, we can look at various requirements and see if there is a solution that meets all or at least more requirements than the current one. I, for one, am one of the old fuddy-duddies who does fine with e-mail lists, is OK with usenet when necessary, and can't seem to get a pattern that works for me with forums. I don't know if it is a personality type that prefers one over the other or if there are some work habit changes that just aren't obvious enough to me, but I haven't found a way to change from e-mail lists to forums as yet. As others have mentioned, if there were a way for each user to use whatever interface were desired for seeing threads, sending and receiving postings, etc so that each could use their preferred approach, that would be ideal -- something to strive for ... --dawn Dawn M. Wolthuis Tincat Group, Inc. www.tincat-group.com Take and give some delight today. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, April 21, 2004 3:00 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: We need a web based Forum! I only belong to two groups: this one and sbsolutions on yahoo groups. To me they behave the same - I have an email folder for each and messages are routed there. I interact with them in the same way - simply sending e-mail messages. However, the yahoo group also has a web-site with all of the messages in it that I've occasionally used to search (although their search is terrible). I don't think external search engines capture them as you need to login in order to see the posts. The only problem is that the messages appear in posted order and not sorted by conversation. Even better would be the option to have either order. Well, that's my vote. Web based forums with the options to receive/post through e-mail. Limited to members only. With a good search utility. Now surely as a bunch on computer geeks we could make this happen... -- Colin Alfke Calgary, Alberta Canada Just because something isn't broken doesn't mean that you can't fix it Stu Pickles -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] [SNIP] I disagree that its very common to have what I posted. But I'm not sure you understood me. Let's say I'm subscribed to both the forum and its corresponding email list. If I send a message to the email list only, will it appear on the forum site? Or alternatively will it appear in the archives of the forum site? That's the question. Will -- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.oliver.com/mailman/listinfo/u2-users -- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.oliver.com/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [OT] MSDN
MSDN Universal 7.0 1 year subscr. with $300 dvd discount is $1,125 at buycheapsoftware.com I did buy software from them before and it was legit, but please do not take this post as a recommendation or something. Simply pricing info. JD Stop teasing us, Tony. grin What's the source where we can get MSDN subscriptions for $1,300? -- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.oliver.com/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
RE: [OT] MSDN
Clif Oliver wrote: Stop teasing us, Tony. grin What's the source where we can get MSDN subscriptions for $1,300? OK OK ... arm is twisting in agony, people love me when they can save a buck but rarely when they can spend a buck, what up wit dat?... Get it here: http://store.viosoftware.biz/msunsu701yes.html The current price is $1495. It went up from 1300 to 1400 right after I got it last year and another 100 this this year, still not a bad deal considering the full retail value. (List 2800, sale prices +-2400) Almost all reviews of VioSoftware are positive. (4.5 out of 5 avg rating in forums) The only bad reviews I've found are from people who throw away their original packaging or destroy their key codes (duh) and then they're upset that they can't get new ones. Tell them to implement a commission program and then send me a credit on my next purchase! :) - Note that I also got a 300 cash rebate for getting DVDs instead of CDs, I believe this is still available until June 2004. - Plus I got other benefits that further drive the net price for me down to about $700. - With this sub we are authorized to install a single copy of MS Office for production use (in addition to as many development/test installs as we need). Since I didn't have to go out and buy that copy I saved yet another $350+ in my software budget. That brings my real expenditure for this package down to about $350? - Finally, while we aren't supposed to use the development licenses for production use, my development system IS my production system which I destroy on a regular basis as I install and test code. That means I don't need to purchase an additional OS license for this box, which brings my final net cost down to about nil. I dunno folks, do the math, this isn't as bad as people think. Benefits vary between USA and other countries. Research your options. And did I mention MS support is excellent? When was the last time anyone here really put in a call to Microsoft rather than posting to a forum? I honestly expected bad service (we've never seen that one, maybe re-installing everything will fix it) and the need to get confrontational (must be the italian in me) - their pleasant attitude and efficiency are disarming. Anyway, you can find this software on other sites, for example: http://www.google.com/search?q=msdn+universal+best+price However, caveat emptor, there are a lot of evil doers out there who will sell improper licenses (Academic/Student, OEM, OLP, etc). Too good to be true is a mantra to keep in mind. VioSoftware is reputable and the licenses are good. Tony not an MS Borg Gravagno (nod to Chuck for using his sig thingie) -- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.oliver.com/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
RE: What client platform do YOU use (Parallel to GUI thread)
Steve, I run a terminal emulator (Netterm) in 165x64 mode - no more because that's the smallest font I can read on the 17 monitor here. I run this on a Windows client against an aix/UV/SB+ app. The main advantage being that it just gives me lots of read space for programs. And yes, if our users were to use the same resolution (which they don't because they're stuck with SBClient) they could have entry screens reports that filled the whole screen. Stuart Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Karl, Sounds interesting. So you have a screen that is 80 columns by 60 rows. Does that mean that you can than do PRINT @(0,60) to get the bottom line of the screen? And can you do 132 by 60?? Steve From: Karl L Pearson [EMAIL PROTECTED] Okay, I'll bite. I use Linux exclusively, other than when forced to run win98 or win2000, which I do on Linux in a VMware Workstation window, with my Linux streaming video or audio running in the background... (my personal touch) Running gnome-terminal in 80x60 mode, I can connect to our traditional 'green screen' APP and see more, especially when coding more 'green screen' parts to our APP. Karl ** This email message and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of addressed recipient(s). If you have received this email in error please notify the Spotless IS Support Centre (61 3 9269 7555) immediately who will advise further action. This footnote also confirms that this email message has been scanned for the presence of computer viruses. ** -- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.oliver.com/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Wintegrate 5.1 Query Builder
Hi -- any way to disable users from using the Before and After fields at the bottom of the form. This can be used to enter DELETE,MODIFY, even CLEAR-FILE statements, and opens the database wide open to any sort of abuse , intentional or otherwise. Also , any other field in the form can be used to enter similar statements. Any comments? Thanks. Steven Frost POWERCO 35 Junction Street Private Bag 2004 New Plymouth New Zealand Helpdesk 0800491491 DDI: +64 6 759 6583 Fax: +64 6 759 6253 Mob: +64 274 403940 Email:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Web: www.powerco.co.nz # This e-mail message has been scanned for Viruses and Content and cleared by MailMarshal # CAUTION: This email and any attachments may contain information that is confidential. If you are not the intended recipient, you must not read, copy, distribute, disclose or use this email or any attachments. If you have received this email in error, please notify us and erase this email and any attachments. You must scan this email and any attachments for viruses. DISCLAIMER: Powerco Limited accepts no liability for any loss, damage or other consequences, whether caused by its negligence or not, resulting directly or indirectly from the use of this email or attachments or for any changes made to this email and any attachments after sending by Powerco Limited. The opinions expressed in this email and any attachments are not necessarily those of Powerco Limited. -- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.oliver.com/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [OT] MSDN
Comments embedded in the message below. On Apr 21, 2004, at 16:10, Tony Gravagno wrote: Get it here: http://store.viosoftware.biz/msunsu701yes.html Thanks, Tony. We appreciate you letting us in on the secret grin. And thanks to JD for the other source. Tell them to implement a commission program and then send me a credit on my next purchase! :) I think we can talk the U2UG board into giving you a year's complimentary subscription to the list. (That's a *joke*, people. Stop panicking!) production use, my development system IS my production system which I destroy on a regular basis as I install and test code. As do I, but frequently not on purpose. :-) Clif we ought to vote Chuck 'most copied' Oliver -- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.oliver.com/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
OT: Terminal emulator for Mac (was Re: What client platform do YOU use (Parallel to GUI thread))
Does anyone know of a reasonably priced terminal emulator for the Mac that does *complete* VT100 or Wyse 50 emulation? -- Regards, Clif On Apr 21, 2004, at 16:33, Stuart Boydell wrote: Steve, I run a terminal emulator (Netterm) in 165x64 mode - no more because that's the smallest font I can read on the 17 monitor here. I run this on a Windows client against an aix/UV/SB+ app. The main advantage being that it just gives me lots of read space for programs. -- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.oliver.com/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: We need a web based Forum!
What? Using something given for free without insisting it be tailored to your individual desires? Careful, Kate. The Programmers Guild will take away your membership card if word leaks out. grin -- Regards, Clif On Apr 21, 2004, at 16:36, Kate Stanton wrote: Thanks. Sounds to me as though it should be the choice of whoever is shouldering the responsibility of looking after it. If they are prepared to do the work, then I applaud them and am privileged to be able to use it, in whatever way they choose. Cheers, Kate -- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.oliver.com/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
RE: Terminal emulator for Mac (was Re: What client platform do YOUuse (Parallel to GUI thread))
PowerTerm ($149) from Ericom Software (http://www.ericom.com) supports Wyse 50/60 VT100. I've never used their Mac version, but a client of mine uses their Windows version with decent success. Carnation software (http://carnationsoftware.com) -- the folks who brought you MacToPic and SBMac -- has a lower-end terminal emulator-only product called MacWise ($95). Larry Hiscock Western Computer Services -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Clifton Oliver Sent: Wednesday, April 21, 2004 4:58 PM To: U2 Users Discussion List Subject: OT: Terminal emulator for Mac (was Re: What client platform do YOUuse (Parallel to GUI thread)) Does anyone know of a reasonably priced terminal emulator for the Mac that does *complete* VT100 or Wyse 50 emulation? -- Regards, Clif On Apr 21, 2004, at 16:33, Stuart Boydell wrote: Steve, I run a terminal emulator (Netterm) in 165x64 mode - no more because that's the smallest font I can read on the 17 monitor here. I run this on a Windows client against an aix/UV/SB+ app. The main advantage being that it just gives me lots of read space for programs. -- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.oliver.com/mailman/listinfo/u2-users -- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.oliver.com/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
RE: [UD] Known ODBC Linux or 6.0 issues?
Wol wrote: I think at least one of the points was does it rely on environment variables or stuff set up by LOGIN? It appears that ODBC has a different login setup to a normal user - maybe even that UD needs a correct $PATH to find the executable for SUBR? I dunno. Or do the SUBRoutines rely on an initialised COMMON? I think it should work (that was the consensus of the previous thread iirc) but tracking down the exact problem might be a pain. OK, further info: It appears that under 5.2 on the DG box, it is OK for the SUBRoutines being called to be locally cataloged, but under 6.0 on Linux, it only works via ODBC if the routines are globally cataloged! Unfortunately there are a number of these subroutines and they aren't necessarily the same in all accounts, so globally cataloging everything isn't the nicest option... Cheers, Ken -- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.oliver.com/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
UV 10.7 and replication
Hello all, Today was the first time that i ever noticed there was a Universe newsgroup. I have been programming in pick basic for over a year now...since i finished college. The main area that i work is in developing web applications using c++ ATL, Visual Basic, Java, Javascript, asp, vbscript, and the UV database, so i have a pretty good idea of how a web app and Universe should get along. Although i am pretty young and still a junior- level programmer, I hope that i will be beneficial to this group. My knowledge of universe is fairly small, as i have had no one to mentor me except for a few old pick technical manuals and the UV help feature. Anyway, about two months ago i installed an ibm f50 running aix 4.3 and uv 10.7. This system was designed to work with the client's main system by making data accesible to the Internet. The two systems are connected through a pix firewall. I used the UV 10.7 replication feature to replicate data between the two systems. The frequency of replication is 1 minute. Yesterday. the publishing system, another risc running on aix 5.1 with UV 10.7, began to periodically give the error message 'udr log daemon is not responding, will try again' when trying to update certain files on publishing system. When the error message appears, the files will not be updated. A few seconds later, the same file may be updated without an error message. While examining, I noticed that the uvlog file created yesterday that the publisher stores the information for the client to update itself from was still in the directory. I have noticed that normally this file grows to about 5 mb, clears itself, deletes itself, and creates a new file. The new file was created, files are still being updated, but the old file is still there. This message does not occur very frequently, but it is on a live system and has the users pretty upset... making me look pretty bad. unfortunately i do not have the knowledge or the resources to do the necessary tests to understand what the problem is. Any advice from those with more experience than I would be greatly appreciated. Thank You, Jeremy -- Government Service Automation -- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.oliver.com/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: Terminal emulator for Mac (was Re: What client platform do YOUuse (Parallel to GUI thread))
Thanks, Larry. I will check them out. I had forgotten about Carnation. I used Rich's emulator mumble, mumble years ago at a client on one of the Little Beige Toasters, and memory failed me. -- Regards, Clif On Apr 21, 2004, at 17:12, Larry Hiscock wrote: PowerTerm ($149) from Ericom Software (http://www.ericom.com) supports Wyse 50/60 VT100. I've never used their Mac version, but a client of mine uses their Windows version with decent success. Carnation software (http://carnationsoftware.com) -- the folks who brought you MacToPic and SBMac -- has a lower-end terminal emulator-only product called MacWise ($95). -- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.oliver.com/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: OT: Terminal emulator for Mac (was Re: What client platform do YOU use (Parallel to GUI thread))
Oh, yeah. RTFArchive, huh? laughing Did so. Found it. Thank you. -- Regards, Clif On Apr 21, 2004, at 17:34, Bruce Nichol wrote: Goo'day, Clif, Check your own archive! Asked this question some short time (months) ago. Was pointed at a freebie (IIRC) French product. -- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.oliver.com/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
