[Bug 59695] Re: High frequency of load/unload cycles on some hard disks may shorten lifetime

2008-02-03 Thread Debian God!!
quoteiThat's funny , I have a laptop of the same series , mine doesn't go clicking all the time on Vista.As far as I know , mine has a WD Scorpio HD , how about yours ?/quote/i Yes even mine is WD Scorpio, I will attach images of both vista ubuntu in couple of days. I feel the count more or

[Bug 59695] Re: High frequency of load/unload cycles on some hard disks may shorten lifetime

2008-02-03 Thread CTenorman
I've been doing some research on this issue, and the Debian fix (hdparm of 254 I believe) would seem to have a lot going for it. Google, in a massive study on hard drives, says One of our key findings has been the lack of a consistent pattern of higher failure rates for higher temperature drives

[Bug 59695] Re: High frequency of load/unload cycles on some hard disks may shorten lifetime

2008-02-02 Thread maor
its weird the you say that the situation is the same in windows yet some people say windows does not park the heads at all. if it is true it means that a windows machine hard drive would not last long before being destroyed by the high load/unload count. there are two options: 1) your hard

Re: [Bug 59695] Re: High frequency of load/unload cycles on some hard disks may shorten lifetime

2008-02-02 Thread Akshay Srinivasan
maor wrote: its weird the you say that the situation is the same in windows yet some people say windows does not park the heads at all. if it is true it means that a windows machine hard drive would not last long before being destroyed by the high load/unload count. there are two options:

[Bug 59695] Re: High frequency of load/unload cycles on some hard disks may shorten lifetime

2008-02-02 Thread Debian God!!
@maor I have been testing this for three months now on 2 brand new Hpdv6602au lappies. Vista has done 30k load count, ubuntu on the other hand has done 23k cycles. Now you decide!!! Btw atleast you have the ugly fix here, in vista am running torrents or HD tune to compensate this. Now my only

Re: [Bug 59695] Re: High frequency of load/unload cycles on some hard disks may shorten lifetime

2008-02-02 Thread Akshay Srinivasan
That's funny , I have a laptop of the same series , mine doesn't go clicking all the time on Vista.As far as I know , mine has a WD Scorpio HD , how about yours ? On Sat, 2008-02-02 at 14:35 +, Debian God!! wrote: @maor I have been testing this for three months now on 2 brand new

[Bug 59695] Re: High frequency of load/unload cycles on some hard disks may shorten lifetime

2008-02-01 Thread Debian God!!
@maor The situation is more or less the same in windows!!! Getting more load cycle count in xp than in ubuntu. Atleast there is the ugly fix for ubuntu. In win, you have to keep torrents or music running in the background!!! -- High frequency of load/unload cycles on some hard disks may

[Bug 59695] Re: High frequency of load/unload cycles on some hard disks may shorten lifetime

2008-01-30 Thread maor
with 25 loads onloads the hard drive should survive for about three years which is much more reasonable then 7 months. my machine at least has a much higher count per hour. in that case its just a matter of noisy processes on Linux which keep waking up the hard drive and in that case there is no

[Bug 59695] Re: High frequency of load/unload cycles on some hard disks may shorten lifetime

2008-01-28 Thread Akshay Srinivasan
I was experimenting with hdparm , and i found that there is a sleep mode and a standby mode- which parks the read heads.So I issued the sleep command in idle , and after a while , the temperature of the HDD went down from 51 to 49 degrees.So I was wondering , may be that , whatever is issuing the

[Bug 59695] Re: High frequency of load/unload cycles on some hard disks may shorten lifetime

2008-01-28 Thread pointyhead
Luca Cerutti has a point, which may be relevant to finding the cause: Windows also has this problem in some cases, to wit, my Acer Travelmate 4010 laptop (Windows XP, with Hitachi IC25N060ATMR04 drive) has been getting increasingly more Load_Cycles per hour. The average over the last 250 hours

[Bug 59695] Re: High frequency of load/unload cycles on some hard disks may shorten lifetime

2008-01-27 Thread Akshay Srinivasan
As far as I have seen , a good deal lot distros are affected , but I couldn't find one query on the gentoo forums regarding the frequent parking.Could it be possible that installing pre compiled packages affects the system in a adverse way ? -- High frequency of load/unload cycles on some hard

[Bug 59695] Re: High frequency of load/unload cycles on some hard disks may shorten lifetime

2008-01-27 Thread Debian God!!
Well in my opinion, using the ugly fix removes this problem completely and the load cycle count will literally be stopped. This has got only one disadvantage, the hdd temperature is out of control (at 45 deg). In vista xp its well below 36. Is there any fix for this -- High frequency of

Re: [Bug 59695] Re: High frequency of load/unload cycles on some hard disks may shorten lifetime

2008-01-27 Thread Brian Visel
Could it be possible that installing pre compiled packages affects the system in a adverse way ? someone running gentoo posted in here earlier with the same issue. precompiled or no, it's the same code. extreme optimizations could possibly affect things adversely, but it would be inordinately

[Bug 59695] Re: High frequency of load/unload cycles on some hard disks may shorten lifetime

2008-01-24 Thread Debian God!!
My hp pavillion dv6602au is also having the same problem 22800 cycles in 2 months. Can some one tell me the best solution as the ugly fix increases the hdd temperature!!! -- High frequency of load/unload cycles on some hard disks may shorten lifetime https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/59695 You

[Bug 59695] Re: High frequency of load/unload cycles on some hard disks may shorten lifetime

2008-01-20 Thread orellus
I confirm this bug on my computer... -- High frequency of load/unload cycles on some hard disks may shorten lifetime https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/59695 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is the bug contact for Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing

[Bug 59695] Re: High frequency of load/unload cycles on some hard disks may shorten lifetime

2008-01-15 Thread Guillermo Pérez
I have to add the 99-hdd-spin-fix.sh script with the hdparm -B 254 line to: /etc/acpi/ac.d/ In addition to the other proposed directories: /etc/acpi/suspend.d/ /etc/acpi/resume.d/ /etc/acpi/start.d/ The laptop's hd was clicking again after going from battery power to AC. -- High frequency of

[Bug 59695] Re: High frequency of load/unload cycles on some hard disks may shorten lifetime

2008-01-12 Thread Lorenzo Bettini
I've done some tests on my new Dell Latitude D630 and after about 4.30 I get about 425, thus I assume I suffer from this problem, right? With the ugly fix (actually trying 'hdparm -B 254 /dev/sda') the problem seems to get solved (no more clicks). The hdd temperature raises to 41 C which still

[Bug 59695] Re: High frequency of load/unload cycles on some hard disks may shorten lifetime

2008-01-12 Thread Akshay Srinivasan
These links might help ,whoever working to fix the bug:-

[Bug 59695] Re: High frequency of load/unload cycles on some hard disks may shorten lifetime

2008-01-09 Thread Akshay Srinivasan
This bug is very hard disk specific.My Hard disk doesn't respond to any other value of APM other than 254!It keeps parking the heads in 253 too! -- High frequency of load/unload cycles on some hard disks may shorten lifetime https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/59695 You received this bug

Re: [Bug 59695] Re: High frequency of load/unload cycles on some hard disks may shorten lifetime

2008-01-09 Thread Brian Visel
Akshay: Pardon, misread that. My mistake. -- High frequency of load/unload cycles on some hard disks may shorten lifetime https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/59695 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is the bug contact for Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs

Re: [Bug 59695] Re: High frequency of load/unload cycles on some hard disks may shorten lifetime

2008-01-09 Thread Brian Visel
@Akshay: Actually, it was mentioned above -- 255 is a reserved value, I.e., it's not officially used. 254 is off. 253 is low enough that it won't happen unless you have a pretty decent period of idle time (which you won't, because various things keep accessing the disk). -B -- High frequency

[Bug 59695] Re: High frequency of load/unload cycles on some hard disks may shorten lifetime

2008-01-08 Thread Brian Visel
Good News, everybody! (sorry, I just like saying that..) I don't know if this is accurate for all drives, obviously. However, on my laptop, switching from -B 254 | 255 to -B 200 decreased temperature by five degrees, without increasing load_cycle_count *at all*. This may be good news for

[Bug 59695] Re: High frequency of load/unload cycles on some hard disks may shorten lifetime

2008-01-08 Thread Matthias Dietrich
maor: Yes my computer came with an OEM install (it's an ASUS F3Sc with a preinstalled Windows Vista Home Premium, which I deleted now, so I will not be able to test it anymore). I cannot exclude your suggestion (namely that ASUS could have used a special tweak). I used smartctl both under

[Bug 59695] Re: High frequency of load/unload cycles on some hard disks may shorten lifetime

2008-01-07 Thread Luca Cerutti
Excuse me, but I think that the whole windows shows not this problem approach should be entirely revised. On my Dell Vostro 1500 with a Seagate st9160823as windows XP sp2 and ubuntu Gutsy pre-fix behave EXACTLY the same way with a rather aggressive (and noisy) power management. Not only, but a

[Bug 59695] Re: High frequency of load/unload cycles on some hard disks may shorten lifetime

2008-01-07 Thread maor
well if what you say is true then thats a whole different ball game. still i find it hard to believe . make no mistake no one will be happier then me to see a big fat headline on slashdot that windows is also destroying people hard drive . i cant read Italian so tell me did they check for

[Bug 59695] Re: High frequency of load/unload cycles on some hard disks may shorten lifetime

2008-01-04 Thread maor
this is my ambitious attempt at tackling this issue. i created a blueprint at https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/handlingtooagressivepowermanagment that summaries the usfull information found in this bug report (and became impossible to extract because of the high noise ratio) and

[Bug 59695] Re: High frequency of load/unload cycles on some hard disks may shorten lifetime

2008-01-03 Thread Akshay Srinivasan
Shouldn't this be a bug in Linux Kernel , instead of acpi-support ?I mean ,fedora doesn't touch the BIOS stuff , so like ubuntu ,it suffers from this bug.The 64-bit version Ubuntu ,also shows this bug. -- High frequency of load/unload cycles on some hard disks may shorten lifetime

[Bug 59695] Re: High frequency of load/unload cycles on some hard disks may shorten lifetime

2008-01-02 Thread Akshay Srinivasan
I think this is linux kernel problem.Installing the latest Fedora didn't do any good , the drive kept clicking all the way through the installation , increasing by about 500 in an hour or so , after the install -without laptop-mode- it kept increasing at about ~1 per minute. -- High frequency of

[Bug 59695] Re: High frequency of load/unload cycles on some hard disks may shorten lifetime

2008-01-02 Thread Michael Doube
Some new laptops are shipping with hybrid hard drives that contain non-volatile cache memory (e.g. Sony Vaios with Seagate Momentus drives, 256 MB nvcache). One of the purposes of this technology is to prevent the hard disk spinning up when doing small intermittent writes, which would reduce

[Bug 59695] Re: High frequency of load/unload cycles on some hard disks may shorten lifetime

2008-01-01 Thread ogc
Some interesting info from my laptop. It has the same Hitachi HTS541060G9AT00 for which this bug has confirmed several times. I am using Heron Alpha2 at present, and i never tried any of the fixes. However, bug is not happening for me even though apm level is 128 on AC (and is not changed then

[Bug 59695] Re: High frequency of load/unload cycles on some hard disks may shorten lifetime

2008-01-01 Thread Albert Tiu
On a Thinkpad T42 with Samsung HD, the correct parameter is 254 and not 255. With 255, the load cycle increases almost every 4 or 5 seconds. With 254, it stopped. On a Gateway (not sure of the HD), 254 and 255 works. Had to change the laptop-mode.conf BATT_HD_POWERMGMT=254,

[Bug 59695] Re: High frequency of load/unload cycles on some hard disks may shorten lifetime

2007-12-31 Thread Akshay Srinivasan
Confirmed on HP Pavilion dv6500 with Western Digital WD800BEVS.As stated above , the problem is solved by disabling APM , but the Hard disk tends to heat up.It reached a temperature of ~50 Celsius after about 15 minutes of activity.I read on the WD website that ,the heads are not parked on the

[Bug 59695] Re: High frequency of load/unload cycles on some hard disks may shorten lifetime

2007-12-31 Thread Akshay Srinivasan
I think Wester Digital drives are the worst affected.Mine has a power on time of ~104 hours with a power cycle of ~370 with a Load/Unload cycle count of 6761.That's about 65 per hour! -- High frequency of load/unload cycles on some hard disks may shorten lifetime

[Bug 59695] Re: High frequency of load/unload cycles on some hard disks may shorten lifetime

2007-12-29 Thread xzirrow
Also want to share my researchings . i have Toshiba laptop A100 - 912 I'd applied ugly fix thru laptop-mode by setting B param to 254 (255 doesn't work at all) . Load_Cycle stopeed ticking but It started to grow temperature .That's scares ... i have /dev/sda: TOSHIBA MK1234GSX: as you can see

[Bug 59695] Re: High frequency of load/unload cycles on some hard disks may shorten lifetime

2007-12-27 Thread Valentin Neacsu
Before issuing these 2 commands, I was getting roughly 1-2 load cycles per minute when the laptop sat idle: killall -9 evolution-data-server-1.12 killall -9 evolution-exchange-storage Now, when I'm issuing sudo smartctl -A /dev/sda after a long period of idling, I only get an increase of 1 load

[Bug 59695] Re: High frequency of load/unload cycles on some hard disks may shorten lifetime

2007-12-27 Thread jokeman
Please ignore my previous post. I'm not sure what exactly happened. Right now I have no counts when the machine is plugged in. When is running on batteries I have ~ 17 counts per hour. The HD temperature is 34 C. I do not have any explanation. I do not know what I did or what happened it self.

Re: [Bug 59695] Re: High frequency of load/unload cycles on some hard disks may shorten lifetime

2007-12-27 Thread Brian Visel
@jokeman: I don't know, but overall, that's reasonable. A laptop usually spends at most about 1/3 of its life on battery, and it's good for the disk to stay parked while on battery if possible (it helps protect against impacts). Keep an eye on it and make sure that it isn't incrementing while

[Bug 59695] Re: High frequency of load/unload cycles on some hard disks may shorten lifetime

2007-12-27 Thread Bruce Cowan
Please read the warning at the top of this bug, namely stop using this bug as a support forum. By doing so, you are causing all the subscibers to this bug to get useless noise messages. You also make it very difficult for the developers to take action, as it hard to see what needs to be done. --

[Bug 59695] Re: High frequency of load/unload cycles on some hard disks may shorten lifetime

2007-12-26 Thread jokeman
Quick test: Gateway 7330GZ (PC Linux, Fujitsu HD 80 GB, no clicking) with over 66,000 load cycles ~60 load cycles per hour: with -B 255 it completely stops the load cycles. DELL 1400 (Ubuntu, Toshiba HD 160 GB, no clicking) 4,500 load cycles ~60 load cycles per hour: -B 255 or -B 244 did not

Re: [Bug 59695] Re: High frequency of load/unload cycles on some hard disks may shorten lifetime

2007-12-26 Thread Brian Visel
@jokeman: Some newer drives are very quiet about the clicking. I would suggest inquiring on sourceforge, in hdparm's forums. The bug of not being able to change APM levels is different. You may even want to file a bug (or check to see if a bug already exists) with the hdparm package. @General

[Bug 59695] Re: High frequency of load/unload cycles on some hard disks may shorten lifetime

2007-12-26 Thread Matthias Dietrich
maor: In fact, I started by monitoring the load/unload parameter using hdparm with Gutsy as well as with Vista. Then I noticed that there was indeed a click each time the counter was increased. So at least on my computer, I can tell you when the counter goes up just by listening to the harddrive

[Bug 59695] Re: High frequency of load/unload cycles on some hard disks may shorten lifetime

2007-12-26 Thread jokeman
Interesting, More details about my machines: Gateway 7330GZ about 18 months old, Pentium 4, 3.06 G Hz, Fujitsu PATA HD 80 GB, with over 66,000 load cycles, came with Windows XP, using PC Linux for the last 4 months only. Tested yesterday with PC Linux and before I apply “-B 255” was ~ 60 load

[Bug 59695] Re: High frequency of load/unload cycles on some hard disks may shorten lifetime

2007-12-26 Thread Brian Visel
** Description changed: This is not a support forum. Please do not use it as such (even though it has been used as such already). You can scan through the bug for links to the Ubuntu forums where many, many different questions have been asked, answered, and re-answered. The

[Bug 59695] Re: High frequency of load/unload cycles on some hard disks may shorten lifetime

2007-12-26 Thread jokeman
H-u-mm, it's interesting... (I test only my Gateway 7330gz with PC Linux) When I check: smartctl -d ata -a /dev/hdl | grep Load_Cycle_Count I get ~ 1 count per minute or more. I put the same command in a chron job to run every minute, and there is no increase any more. the HD temperature remain

[Bug 59695] Re: High frequency of load/unload cycles on some hard disks may shorten lifetime

2007-12-24 Thread maor
Matthias: i would not relay on clicking sound to identify load unload cycles i made the same mistake, if windows is not changing the apm value then then my guess is that ubuntu is simply accessing the hard drive too often i do not have windows installed so i cant check it but try seeing if the

Re: [Bug 59695] Re: High frequency of load/unload cycles on some hard disks may shorten lifetime

2007-12-24 Thread Brian Visel
Any estimate on when / if the partial fix will get pushed as an update for gutsy? There are a lot of people out there with this who may not even know about it, and the clock is ticking. I could make a utility in python that would check for the issue, then change settings if the problem is

Re: [Bug 59695] Re: High frequency of load/unload cycles on some hard disks may shorten lifetime

2007-12-24 Thread Brian Visel
Matthieu: Your case seems inconsistent with itself: On Sat, 2007-12-22 at 22:34 +, Mathieu HAVEL wrote: [...]they replace it by another one (a Seagate ST91208220AS) on which I can apply partly the bug fix : * with -B 255 it completely stops the parking/unparking cycle * with -B 254 it

[Bug 59695] Re: High frequency of load/unload cycles on some hard disks may shorten lifetime

2007-12-23 Thread Matthias Dietrich
Mathieu: In fact 255 is not a legal value for APM. The ATA/ATAPI spec states clearly that 255 is reserved. The APM parameter only accepts values up to 254, so hdparm will never read out 255 as a value for APM. However hdparm accepts -B 255, and in such case, it will send a disable APM command

[Bug 59695] Re: High frequency of load/unload cycles on some hard disks may shorten lifetime

2007-12-22 Thread John Karahalis
@maor and Mathieu HAVEL If you are interested in getting Dell to replace affected hard drives, you may wish to promote this idea on Ideastorm: http://www.ideastorm.com/article/show/75651/Replace_worn_hard_drives_of_Ubuntu_PCs It requests that Dell replace not only hard drives that die from this

[Bug 59695] Re: High frequency of load/unload cycles on some hard disks may shorten lifetime

2007-12-22 Thread Mathieu HAVEL
Well, Dell went to replace my hard drive, and they seem to be aware of the problem since they replace it by another one (a Seagate ST91208220AS) on which I can apply partly the bug fix : * with -B 255 it completely stops the parking/unparking cycle * with -B 254 it does nothing. The my previous

[Bug 59695] Re: High frequency of load/unload cycles on some hard disks may shorten lifetime

2007-12-17 Thread Mathieu HAVEL
First, thanks for good comments Brian I have a complete business support in DELL, and I called them friday to tell them about the problem. Here is their solution : We're coming to replace your HD. So, at least in the Business support, they do not consider the problem ! Pretty strange when

[Bug 59695] Re: High frequency of load/unload cycles on some hard disks may shorten lifetime

2007-12-16 Thread maor
** Description changed: This is not a support forum. Please do not use it as such (even though it has been used as such already). You can scan through the bug for links to the Ubuntu forums where many, many different questions have been asked, answered, and re-answered. The

Re: [Bug 59695] Re: High frequency of load/unload cycles on some hard disks may shorten lifetime

2007-12-16 Thread Brian Visel
- Original message - From: Leann Ogasawara [EMAIL PROTECTED] ** Tags added: qa-hardy-list -- end quote -- w00t! Thanks, Leann! -- High frequency of load/unload cycles on some hard disks may shorten lifetime https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/59695 You received this bug notification

Re: [Bug 59695] Re: High frequency of load/unload cycles on some hard disks may shorten lifetime

2007-12-16 Thread Brian Visel
You're probably right on that. I'll edit the description when i get to a computer. I've wanted to flesh that out anyway, re: ac vs battery behavior, so i'll kill two stoned birds when i edit that. ..er, two birds with one stone. 'course, someone else can edit it too, if they like. ..But i've

[Bug 59695] Re: High frequency of load/unload cycles on some hard disks may shorten lifetime

2007-12-16 Thread maor
dell has a mailling list for linux support, did anyone considered asking them how they handled the problem? -- High frequency of load/unload cycles on some hard disks may shorten lifetime https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/59695 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu

[Bug 59695] Re: High frequency of load/unload cycles on some hard disks may shorten lifetime

2007-12-16 Thread Mantas Kriaučiūnas
** Also affects: acpi-support (Baltix) Importance: Undecided Status: New -- High frequency of load/unload cycles on some hard disks may shorten lifetime https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/59695 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is the bug

Re: [Bug 59695] Re: High frequency of load/unload cycles on some hard disks may shorten lifetime

2007-12-15 Thread Tzvetan Mikov
On Dec 14, 2007 2:18 PM, Brian Visel wrote: [...] Reasonable Limits / Criteria for a fix: * There should be fewer than ~15 load cycles per hour, except during heavy usage while on battery. * This provides a life expectancy of over four years, which is reasonable for a hard disk. May

[Bug 59695] Re: High frequency of load/unload cycles on some hard disks may shorten lifetime

2007-12-15 Thread Leann Ogasawara
** Tags added: qa-hardy-list -- High frequency of load/unload cycles on some hard disks may shorten lifetime https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/59695 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is the bug contact for Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list

[Bug 59695] Re: High frequency of load/unload cycles on some hard disks may shorten lifetime

2007-12-14 Thread romassi
I finally fixed on my laptop (Acer Aspire 1662, Kubuntu Gutsy 7.10 - HD Hitachi Travelstar 60 GB) by editing the file: /etc/hdparm.conf with: /dev/hda { apm = 255 spindown_time = 255 } No more parking at all and non problems of over-heating. My girlfriend's laptop (Toshiba A100, Kubuntu Gutsy

[Bug 59695] Re: High frequency of load/unload cycles on some hard disks may shorten lifetime

2007-12-14 Thread donzilluh
I realized the result it returned 9 was not my uptime hours. Tired noob mistake. I am just curious if my problem should be fixed completely by adding the 99-hdd-spindown-fix.sh to the 3 directories and altering the laptop-mode config to CONTROL_HD_POWERMGMT=1 and also APMD_SPINDOWN=90 in the

Re: [Bug 59695] Re: High frequency of load/unload cycles on some hard disks may shorten lifetime

2007-12-14 Thread Brian Visel
This is not a support forum. Please do not use it as such. There are multiple links in multiple posts on this bug that point to forum posts related to this bug. Please search for answers to your requests before you post questions. -- High frequency of load/unload cycles on some hard disks may

[Bug 59695] Re: High frequency of load/unload cycles on some hard disks may shorten lifetime

2007-12-14 Thread Brian Visel
** Description changed: This is not a support forum. Please do not use it as such (even though it has been used as such already). You can scan through the bug for links to the Ubuntu forums where many, many different questions have been asked, answered, and re-answered. The

[Bug 59695] Re: High frequency of load/unload cycles on some hard disks may shorten lifetime

2007-12-14 Thread Brian Visel
** Description changed: - It is confirmed that some systems are seeing an unusually high number of - load/unload cycles on their hard disks, as evidenced by smartctl. It - was originally surmised that this was related to laptop-mode being - enabled, but this affects systems *regardless* of

[Bug 59695] Re: High frequency of load/unload cycles on some hard disks may shorten lifetime

2007-12-13 Thread donzilluh
My laptop was showing these symptoms. It's a HP DV6645us bought only 2 months ago on Oct 10th. I just recently installed Ubuntu and stumbled upon this article with only 9 hours of uptime. So I feel as I have lucked out. This is a very harmful bug though and needs to be incorporated into the

[Bug 59695] Re: High frequency of load/unload cycles on some hard disks may shorten lifetime

2007-12-12 Thread slasher-fun
Mathieu, you have less than one cycle for each hour of power on... -- High frequency of load/unload cycles on some hard disks may shorten lifetime https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/59695 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is the bug contact for

[Bug 59695] Re: High frequency of load/unload cycles on some hard disks may shorten lifetime

2007-12-11 Thread ubuntu_demon
to Bart Samwel and all others who are interested : For some people an apm of 254 doesn't work. For example : http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=3915142postcount=553 Maybe an apm of 255 works for some of those people. For others sudo smartctl -o on /dev/sda is needed in order to be able to

[Bug 59695] Re: High frequency of load/unload cycles on some hard disks may shorten lifetime

2007-12-11 Thread ubuntu_demon
I made a small mistake when I linked to http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=3915142postcount=553 I should have linked to http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=3915142postcount=552 instead -- High frequency of load/unload cycles on some hard disks may shorten lifetime

[Bug 59695] Re: High frequency of load/unload cycles on some hard disks may shorten lifetime

2007-12-09 Thread CptSkyhawk
I fixed this on all of my laptop drives my adding the /dev/sda { apm = 254} into /etc/hdparm.conf after enabling hdparm in System Administration Services. Seems to work -- my load count hasn't increased hardly at all since. Unfortunately, I didn't get it before my load count on one of my drives

[Bug 59695] Re: High frequency of load/unload cycles on some hard disks may shorten lifetime

2007-12-07 Thread xmNeO
I managed this problem by adding hdparm -B 254 /dev/sda to /etc/rc.local Did anyone tried this one out,too? -- High frequency of load/unload cycles on some hard disks may shorten lifetime https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/59695 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu

[Bug 59695] Re: High frequency of load/unload cycles on some hard disks may shorten lifetime

2007-12-07 Thread Wouter Deconinck
Hi Bart, I did indeed consider that; see below. With btrace I checked that it is hddtemp that is accessing the hd and causing it to spin up. FWIW, smartctl has the same behavior (as you already mentioned in a href=https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/acpi-

[Bug 59695] Re: High frequency of load/unload cycles on some hard disks may shorten lifetime

2007-12-07 Thread ubuntu_demon
to xmNeo : The support thread for this issue is here : http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=591503 Be sure to read the first post and the README FIRST links : http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=3733762postcount=1 -- High frequency of load/unload cycles on some hard disks may shorten

[Bug 59695] Re: High frequency of load/unload cycles on some hard disks may shorten lifetime

2007-12-07 Thread ubuntu_demon
In order to be able to make apm 254 work for some drives (particularly certain samsung drives) people need to do : sudo smartctl -o on /dev/sda At least two people have confirmed this. For example see http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=3672087postcount=18 -- High frequency of load/unload

[Bug 59695] Re: High frequency of load/unload cycles on some hard disks may shorten lifetime

2007-12-06 Thread Wouter Deconinck
My hard disk spins up when you call hddtemp. Sorry to spoil the fun. Cheers! # hdparm -C /dev/sda hddtemp /dev/sda hdparm -C /dev/sda /dev/sda: drive state is: standby /dev/sda: TOSHIBA MK8034GSX: 41°C /dev/sda: drive state is: active/idle -- High frequency of load/unload cycles on

Re: [Bug 59695] Re: High frequency of load/unload cycles on some hard disks may shorten lifetime

2007-12-06 Thread Bart Samwel
Wouter Deconinck wrote: My hard disk spins up when you call hddtemp. Sorry to spoil the fun. Cheers! # hdparm -C /dev/sda hddtemp /dev/sda hdparm -C /dev/sda /dev/sda: drive state is: standby /dev/sda: TOSHIBA MK8034GSX: 41°C /dev/sda: drive state is: active/idle Hi Wouter,

[Bug 59695] Re: High frequency of load/unload cycles on some hard disks may shorten lifetime

2007-12-05 Thread Bug Watch Updater
** Changed in: pm-utils (Fedora) Status: Unknown = Invalid -- High frequency of load/unload cycles on some hard disks may shorten lifetime https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/59695 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is the bug contact for Ubuntu.

Re: [Bug 59695] Re: High frequency of load/unload cycles on some hard disks may shorten lifetime

2007-12-05 Thread Bart Samwel
ubuntu_demon wrote: Improved suggestion to prevent heat problems : For drives which support hddtemp check disk temperature regularly (each minute?). * while on battery : use apm 128 * while on AC and disk temperature = 58 degrees celcius : use apm 254 * while on AC and disk temperature =

[Bug 59695] Re: High frequency of load/unload cycles on some hard disks may shorten lifetime

2007-12-05 Thread ubuntu_demon
Improved suggestion to prevent heat problems : For drives which support hddtemp check disk temperature regularly (each minute?). * while on battery : use apm 128 * while on AC and disk temperature = 58 degrees celcius : use apm 254 * while on AC and disk temperature = 59 degrees celcius : use

Re: [Bug 59695] Re: High frequency of load/unload cycles on some hard disks may shorten lifetime

2007-12-05 Thread Brian Visel
I think we should check to ensure apm of 128 has the effect we're looking for, but other than that, looks good. -- High frequency of load/unload cycles on some hard disks may shorten lifetime https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/59695 You received this bug notification because you are a member of

[Bug 59695] Re: High frequency of load/unload cycles on some hard disks may shorten lifetime

2007-12-04 Thread Bug Watch Updater
** Changed in: acpi-support (Debian) Status: Unknown = Fix Released -- High frequency of load/unload cycles on some hard disks may shorten lifetime https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/59695 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is the bug contact

[Bug 59695] Re: High frequency of load/unload cycles on some hard disks may shorten lifetime

2007-12-04 Thread Bug Watch Updater
** Changed in: laptop-mode-tools (Mandriva) Status: Unknown = In Progress ** Changed in: suse Status: Unknown = Confirmed -- High frequency of load/unload cycles on some hard disks may shorten lifetime https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/59695 You received this bug notification

[Bug 59695] Re: High frequency of load/unload cycles on some hard disks may shorten lifetime

2007-12-04 Thread Przemysław Kulczycki
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=391671 ** Changed in: pm-utils (Fedora) Importance: Undecided = Unknown Bugwatch: None = Red Hat Bugzilla #391671 Status: Confirmed = Unknown -- High frequency of load/unload cycles on some hard disks may shorten lifetime

[Bug 59695] Re: High frequency of load/unload cycles on some hard disks may shorten lifetime

2007-12-03 Thread aenertia
Confirmed behaviour in fedora 8, on dell xps m1210 with both 80gb hitachi and 120gb seagate. On resume drive aggressively spins down. Fix: add 99-hdd-spin-fix.sh to /etc/pm/config.d /etc/pm/sleep.d /etc/pm/power.d where 99-hdd-spin-fix.sh Contains the lines: #!/bin/sh hdparm -B 255 /dev/sda

[Bug 59695] Re: High frequency of load/unload cycles on some hard disks may shorten lifetime

2007-12-03 Thread Przemysław Kulczycki
Fedora doesn't have acpi-support package. ** Changed in: pm-utils (Fedora) Sourcepackagename: acpi-support = pm-utils ** Changed in: laptop-mode-tools (Mandriva) Sourcepackagename: None = laptop-mode-tools -- High frequency of load/unload cycles on some hard disks may shorten lifetime

Re: [Bug 59695] Re: High frequency of load/unload cycles on some hard disks may shorten lifetime

2007-11-30 Thread Chris Jones
Hi SirLancelot wrote: Is there any simple way to measure disk temperature? Something like command There is hddtemp, and some systems (e.g. mine) expose the information through platform-specific ACPI. I have no idea if it's guaranteed to be a) present, b) correct across all disks though, and I

Re: [Bug 59695] Re: High frequency of load/unload cycles on some hard disks may shorten lifetime

2007-11-30 Thread SirLancelot
Is there any simple way to measure disk temperature? Something like command or something? I'm using Your Ugly Fix solution: http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=3675960postcount=26 And everything looks good but I don't know how to measure HDD temperature. Could You tell me or put this

Re: [Bug 59695] Re: High frequency of load/unload cycles on some hard disks may shorten lifetime

2007-11-30 Thread Mark Thomas
We are talking about wear and tear, not drives catching fire. It's expected that a drive will break eventually, and load cycling is just a (relatively new) way that drives can reach end of life. However, the crux of this bug is that Ubuntu is, by default, causing _excessive_ wear and tear on

Re: [Bug 59695] Re: High frequency of load/unload cycles on some hard disks may shorten lifetime

2007-11-30 Thread Chris Jones
Hi ubuntu_demon wrote: * while disk temperature of 59 and 60 degrees don't change the apm. 60 seems to be a fairly common *maximum* operating temperature for disks. Allowing it to rest at 59/60 seems like a bad idea. Hitachi quote that (with their drives) for every degree you go above the

[Bug 59695] Re: High frequency of load/unload cycles on some hard disks may shorten lifetime

2007-11-30 Thread ubuntu_demon
Here's a suggestion to prevent heat problems : * while on battery : use apm 128 * while on AC and disk temperature = 58 degrees celcius : use apm 254 * while on AC and disk temperature 60 degrees celcius : use apm 128 * while disk temperature of 59 and 60 degrees don't change the apm. So apm

[Bug 59695] Re: High frequency of load/unload cycles on some hard disks may shorten lifetime

2007-11-30 Thread ubuntu_demon
to SirLancelot : sudo aptitude install hddtemp hddtemp /dev/sda You can also use sensors-applet to read it out graphically for your gnome-panel : $sudo aptitude install hddtemp sensors-applet This bug report is not meant for support. Please use the support thread for the Load_Cycle_Count

Re: [Bug 59695] Re: High frequency of load/unload cycles on some hard disks may shorten lifetime

2007-11-30 Thread SirLancelot
Thank's! My hddtemp score is: /dev/sda: ST9120821A: 42°C So I could stay with Ugly Fix without any changes. Is there any chance for the official fix? Bug becomes Critical and there is still nothing better than Ugly Fix by ubuntu_demon. -- High frequency of load/unload cycles on some hard

[Bug 59695] Re: High frequency of load/unload cycles on some hard disks may shorten lifetime

2007-11-30 Thread Fabien Lusseau
We could use laptop-mode to correct this bug properly ... -- High frequency of load/unload cycles on some hard disks may shorten lifetime https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/59695 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is the bug contact for Ubuntu. --

[Bug 59695] Re: High frequency of load/unload cycles on some hard disks may shorten lifetime

2007-11-29 Thread ubuntu_demon
Bart Samwel can you please notify us when you have added the use an apm of 128 while on battery into Debian's acpi-support ? I think we can increase the chance that this fix makes it into Gutsy's acpi-support if someone makes a debdiff when Debian's acpi-support has included the use an apm of 128

[Bug 59695] Re: High frequency of load/unload cycles on some hard disks may shorten lifetime

2007-11-28 Thread Skippy le Grand Gourou
Please have a look at this : http://bugs.debian.org/cgi- bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=448673#31 This bug seems fixed for Debian as well since more than 10 days... -- High frequency of load/unload cycles on some hard disks may shorten lifetime https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/59695 You received this bug

[Bug 59695] Re: High frequency of load/unload cycles on some hard disks may shorten lifetime

2007-11-28 Thread Andrea Corbellini
The Ubuntu Laptop Team is not responsible for the acpi-support. ** Changed in: acpi-support (Ubuntu) Assignee: Ubuntu Laptop Team (ubuntu-laptop) = (unassigned) -- High frequency of load/unload cycles on some hard disks may shorten lifetime https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/59695 You

[Bug 59695] Re: High frequency of load/unload cycles on some hard disks may shorten lifetime

2007-11-28 Thread Przemysław Kulczycki
Skippy: this Debian bug is already in the bugwatch. We all know about it. ** Changed in: acpi-support (Fedora) Status: New = Incomplete -- High frequency of load/unload cycles on some hard disks may shorten lifetime https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/59695 You received this bug notification

[Bug 59695] Re: High frequency of load/unload cycles on some hard disks may shorten lifetime

2007-11-28 Thread Przemysław Kulczycki
When Ubuntu moves to pm-utils this Howto might be useful: http://en.opensuse.org/Disk_Power_Management -- High frequency of load/unload cycles on some hard disks may shorten lifetime https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/59695 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs,

[Bug 59695] Re: High frequency of load/unload cycles on some hard disks may shorten lifetime

2007-11-28 Thread Skippy le Grand Gourou
Sorry for the inconvenience... But so why did this bug just changed to critical and comments are so active when Debian claims it is fixed for them since two weeks ??? AFAIK, the difference between Debian and Ubuntu is not so huge... -- High frequency of load/unload cycles on some hard disks may

Re: [Bug 59695] Re: High frequency of load/unload cycles on some hard disks may shorten lifetime

2007-11-28 Thread Brian Visel
From what I gather, Ubuntu synchronizes with Debian periodically, and individual packages are sometimes synchronized as well. But it is not an immediate process. It would probably be a good idea to synch this change over to Ubuntu, but I'm not sure who's responsible for/capable of that. --

Re: [Bug 59695] Re: High frequency of load/unload cycles on some hard disks may shorten lifetime

2007-11-28 Thread Bart Samwel
Brian Visel wrote: From what I gather, Ubuntu synchronizes with Debian periodically, and individual packages are sometimes synchronized as well. But it is not an immediate process. It would probably be a good idea to synch this change over to Ubuntu, but I'm not sure who's responsible

Re: [Bug 59695] Re: High frequency of load/unload cycles on some hard disks may shorten lifetime

2007-11-28 Thread Brian Visel
Ah, corrected. -- High frequency of load/unload cycles on some hard disks may shorten lifetime https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/59695 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is the bug contact for Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list

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