] Improved CouchDB logo
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On Thu, Oct 30, 2014 at 12:52 AM, Noah Slater nsla...@apache.org
wrote:
Blue is nice. :) But then that tempts me to change the name too.
I
mean, if we're ever going to do this, now is the time. It's
important
to note though that we have
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Date: 10/30/2014 04:40 AM
Subject: Re: [DISCUSS] Improved CouchDB logo
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On Thu, Oct 30, 2014 at 12:52 AM, Noah Slater nsla...@apache.org
wrote:
Blue is nice. :) But then that tempts me to change the name too.
I
mean, if we're ever
Jens Alfke wrote:
Watch whom you're calling a jerk, please.
Sorry, I was trying to be humorous, not malicious. I know text can be difficult
with these things, so please take no offense.
Uh, you can't own a concept. You can own a patent, copyright or trademark.
Again, not speaking literally
If the reclined dude has to go, why not someone of indeterminate
gender on a Lotus pose? Nothing says 'relax' like yoga, at least in
the popular imagination (I tried yoga once, and I was sweating inside
30 seconds).
J
On Tue, Oct 28, 2014 at 1:08 PM, Dan Santner dansant...@me.com wrote:
I
. If not relaxation, then what?
From: Bryan Green dbryan.gr...@gmail.com
To: d...@couchdb.apache.org, Joan Touzet woh...@apache.org
Cc: user@couchdb.apache.org
Date: 10/27/2014 09:19 PM
Subject:Re: [DISCUSS] Improved CouchDB logo
I think it would be interesting just to get rid
I like the logo and I do not see the reason to change it.
2014-10-28 1:27 GMT+01:00 Joan Touzet woh...@apache.org:
At 3 different conferences I've attended in 2014: CloudantCON 2014,
OSCON 2014 and Velocity NYC 2014, I've been approached by people
complaining about the CouchDB logo. The
Hi,
first of all thanks to Joan for bringing this up. As Paul stated, if
someone is feeling attacked we should discuss it.
I have viewed (if not gazed) the logo for several minutes. I can understand
that someone is seeing a man with a maybe vulgar attitude. I personally
don't see that. The whole
If you want to change the logo, I recommend doing it the
professional/business way: putting up some money and hiring a good design
firm. They've done it before and have a broader perspective. Basically, let
them ask you the questions about the brand; no design back seat driving
from you; choose
I don't see anything offensive in the attitude of the man on the couch. But
I would be more sympathetic to the complaint that it is definitely a man,
in a very male attitude, and that might be enough to put some women off
becoming involved in the community.
Nick
On 28 October 2014 08:35, Thomas
On 28 October 2014 10:15, Nick North nort...@gmail.com wrote:
I don't see anything offensive in the attitude of the man on the couch. But
I would be more sympathetic to the complaint that it is definitely a man,
in a very male attitude, and that might be enough to put some women off
becoming
On Tue, Oct 28, 2014 at 10:15 AM, Nick North nort...@gmail.com wrote:
I don't see anything offensive in the attitude of the man on the couch. But
I would be more sympathetic to the complaint that it is definitely a man,
in a very male attitude, and that might be enough to put some women off
When the image lacks detail to signify it is not a man it will be thought
to be male. IRL.
On Oct 28, 2014 5:54 AM, Benoit Chesneau bchesn...@gmail.com wrote:
On Tue, Oct 28, 2014 at 10:15 AM, Nick North nort...@gmail.com wrote:
I don't see anything offensive in the attitude of the man on
Joan, thanks for sharing the experiences you had. I find it quite interesting
that it's been happening a few times even, and I'm glad people shared their
thoughts on it.
First, as far as I perceive the topic, this is not just about the question if
people just like the logo or don't. It's about
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Cc: user@couchdb.apache.org
Date: 10/27/2014 09:19 PM
Subject: Re: [DISCUSS] Improved CouchDB logo
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I think it would be interesting just to get rid of the person altogether
and have some sort of stylized couch.
Bryan Green aka lispyone
On Mon, Oct 27
On Tue, 28 Oct 2014 12:52:23 +0100
Lena Reinhard l...@thehoodiefirm.com wrote:
Joan, thanks for sharing the experiences you had. I find it quite
interesting that it's been happening a few times even, and I'm glad
people shared their thoughts on it.
First, as far as I perceive the topic,
I noticed you too seem to assume it is a man on the couch? Also, I am glad
that you point out that the logo does not have anything to do with your use
of CouchDB-- that encourages me to think that it will not be as big of an
issue to change it.
It may not offend you, but apparently it offends
If I declare myself offended (for no reason, because there is absolutely no
reason to be offended by the present logo) by the next logo you come up
with, will you change it?
On Tue, Oct 28, 2014 at 11:51 AM, Alexander Shorin kxe...@gmail.com wrote:
On Tue, Oct 28, 2014 at 4:33 PM, Bryan Green
I agree. We have a definite list of complaints about the position of the
human figure on the couch. Let's fix that at least. If it is a man then
it is a man. I may be a little overly sensitive to these matters currently
thanks to #gamergate.
B
On Tue, Oct 28, 2014 at 6:33 AM, Bryan Green
I would assume we would discuss it as we are now.
On Tue, Oct 28, 2014 at 6:58 AM, Giovanni P fiat...@gmail.com wrote:
If I declare myself offended (for no reason, because there is absolutely no
reason to be offended by the present logo) by the next logo you come up
with, will you change it?
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/3/35/Et_selskab_af_danske_kunstnere_i_Rom.jpg
is this offensive?
On Tue, Oct 28, 2014 at 11:59 AM, Bryan Green dbryan.gr...@gmail.com
wrote:
I would assume we would discuss it as we are now.
On Tue, Oct 28, 2014 at 6:58 AM, Giovanni P
On Tue, Oct 28, 2014 at 4:58 PM, Giovanni P fiat...@gmail.com wrote:
If I declare myself offended (for no reason, because there is absolutely no
reason to be offended by the present logo) by the next logo you come up
with, will you change it?
For no reason - no (: If you have a reasons it's
I agree with Bryan – especially in the times of GamerGate, we should be even
more aware of what we're doing than we should be anyway. And what we're talking
about here isn't anything that's been made up, but concrete cases, and the fact
they were brought up gives us a chance to react, ideally
After re-reading the first message of the thread I'm convinced that,
despite the present logo not being offensive in any way, it can sometimes
give a wrong impression.
My humble suggestion is that we gather suggestions and, if we find none,
maintain the logo. Otherwise change it.
So here is my
I am sure someone would find it offensive (maybe artists)? The point is
that we can't decide what is offensive to someone else. We should do our
best, within reason, to not offend. Also, the you have to keep in mind
that a brand logo is not just art. It has a particular use to get a
branding
On Wed, Oct 29, 2014 at 1:18 AM, Bryan Green dbryan.gr...@gmail.com wrote:
Personally, I am not sure the Relax mantra is a good one anymore either.
If it ever was. Before I ever started studying CouchDB and using it, I
thought it was some kind of XML database. Why? Because of RELAX NG:
In spirit of working with Giovanni on finding inspiration for a new logo:
:-) He looks pretty relaxed.
On Tue, Oct 28, 2014 at 7:10 AM, Giovanni P fiat...@gmail.com wrote:
After re-reading the first message of the thread I'm convinced that,
despite the present logo not being offensive in
on that topic.
Best regards,
Joan
- Original Message -
From: Bryan Green dbryan.gr...@gmail.com
To: Giovanni Parra fiat...@gmail.com
Cc: user@couchdb.apache.org
Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2014 10:18:10 AM
Subject: Re: [DISCUSS] Improved CouchDB logo
I am sure someone would find
@couchdb.apache.org
Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2014 10:18:10 AM
Subject: Re: [DISCUSS] Improved CouchDB logo
I am sure someone would find it offensive (maybe artists)? The point is
that we can't decide what is offensive to someone else. We should do our
best, within reason, to not offend. Also, the you
On Tue, Oct 28, 2014 at 11:03 AM, Joan Touzet woh...@apache.org wrote:
A minority of individuals suggested that it may be time to change
the logo, the tagline and even the project name for various reasons.
If we're considering any of these steps, now would be the time to
figure that out --
The Time to Relax is not only tagline, but also the goal to aim for.
If you are not relaxed with CouchDB, probably, you just doing
something wrong or should file an issue about (:
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,,,^..^,,,
On Tue, Oct 28, 2014 at 6:26 PM, Eric B ebenza...@gmail.com wrote:
On Tue, Oct 28, 2014 at 11:03 AM,
Which suggests that the new logo should keep the couch, but replace the
man with a cute animal - in keeping with open source tradition. :-)
Cat, Koala, .. a few appropriate animals come to mind.
Cheers,
Miles Fidelman
Alexander Shorin wrote:
The Time to Relax is not only tagline, but also
On Tue, Oct 28, 2014 at 6:39 PM, Miles Fidelman
mfidel...@meetinghouse.net wrote:
Which suggests that the new logo should keep the couch, but replace the man
with a cute animal - in keeping with open source tradition. :-)
Cat, Koala, .. a few appropriate animals come to mind.
Koalas are SO
I have no problems with the logo as is.
But no joke: I was using CouchDB for a few months before I realized it was
a man on a couch, and not a piece of abstract art. lolz.
On 10/28/14, 10:39 AM, Miles Fidelman mfidel...@meetinghouse.net wrote:
Which suggests that the new logo should keep the
On Tue, 28 Oct 2014 08:33:13 -0500
Bryan Green dbryan.gr...@gmail.com wrote:
I noticed you too seem to assume it is a man on the couch? Also, I
am glad that you point out that the logo does not have anything to do
with your use of CouchDB-- that encourages me to think that it will
not be as
Dear All!
I just want to say that I really like everything about CouchDB, the
database, the documentation and the logo.
Best,
Sinan
On 28 October 2014 17:38, Maria ma...@dualpose.com wrote:
On Tue, 28 Oct 2014 08:33:13 -0500
Bryan Green dbryan.gr...@gmail.com wrote:
I noticed you too seem
I’ll add my +1 for a new logo to coincide with 2.0.
B.
On 28 Oct 2014, at 17:22, Sinan Gabel sinan.ga...@gmail.com wrote:
Dear All!
I just want to say that I really like everything about CouchDB, the
database, the documentation and the logo.
Best,
Sinan
On 28 October 2014 17:38,
Koalas are slow
On 28 October 2014 16:48, Alexander Shorin kxe...@gmail.com wrote:
On Tue, Oct 28, 2014 at 6:39 PM, Miles Fidelman
mfidel...@meetinghouse.net wrote:
Which suggests that the new logo should keep the couch, but replace the
man
with a cute animal - in keeping with open
Excerpts from Joan Touzet's message of 2014-10-28 01:27:44 +0100:
At 3 different conferences I've attended in 2014: CloudantCON 2014,
OSCON 2014 and Velocity NYC 2014, I've been approached by people
complaining about the CouchDB logo. The argument is that the logo looks
like a man who is posed
that
the community will them as to what exactly it is the brand should portray.
Thanks,
Justin
-Original Message-
From: Thomas Lindgren [mailto:u.thomas.lindg...@gmail.com]
Sent: 28 October 2014 08:36
To: user@couchdb.apache.org
Subject: Re: [DISCUSS] Improved CouchDB logo
If you
[mailto:u.thomas.lindg...@gmail.com]
Sent: 28 October 2014 08:36
To: user@couchdb.apache.org
Subject: Re: [DISCUSS] Improved CouchDB logo
If you want to change the logo, I recommend doing it the
professional/business way: putting up some money and hiring a good design
firm. They've done
@couchdb.apache.org
Subject: Re: [DISCUSS] Improved CouchDB logo
If you want to change the logo, I recommend doing it the
professional/business way: putting up some money and hiring a good design
firm. They've done it before and have a broader perspective. Basically,
let
them ask you
[mailto:u.thomas.lindg...@gmail.com]
Sent: 28 October 2014 08:36
To: user@couchdb.apache.org
Subject: Re: [DISCUSS] Improved CouchDB logo
If you want to change the logo, I recommend doing it the
professional/business way: putting up some money and hiring a good design
firm. They've done
exactly it is the brand should
portray.
Thanks,
Justin
-Original Message-
From: Thomas Lindgren [mailto:u.thomas.lindg...@gmail.com]
Sent: 28 October 2014 08:36
To: user@couchdb.apache.org
Subject: Re: [DISCUSS] Improved CouchDB logo
If you want to change the logo, I
This bike-shedding discussion seems almost played out, and I assume
people will go on making practical decisions about databases with or
without logos and mantras like CouchDB has started, time to relax.
So I should probably just shut up at this point. But it's hard to resist
adding one more
Catherine I went through almost the same thing at the same time except in a
different field.
My little experiment turned into a biz and then I left the corporate job and
now my app/biz is taking off.
I would miss that icon if it goes, but also think evolution is good.
On Oct 28, 2014, at
At 3 different conferences I've attended in 2014: CloudantCON 2014,
OSCON 2014 and Velocity NYC 2014, I've been approached by people
complaining about the CouchDB logo. The argument is that the logo looks
like a man who is posed in a suggestive way, or as one person put it,
showing you his crotch
I think it would be interesting just to get rid of the person altogether
and have some sort of stylized couch.
Bryan Green aka lispyone
On Mon, Oct 27, 2014 at 7:27 PM, Joan Touzet woh...@apache.org wrote:
At 3 different conferences I've attended in 2014: CloudantCON 2014,
OSCON 2014 and
If the person is removed the slogan loses its meaning.
On Mon, Oct 27, 2014 at 11:17 PM, Bryan Green dbryan.gr...@gmail.com
wrote:
I think it would be interesting just to get rid of the person altogether
and have some sort of stylized couch.
Bryan Green aka lispyone
On Mon, Oct 27, 2014 at
My first thought was exactly the same. Whoever is sitting on that couch is as
relaxed as it gets because one has nothing to worry about. Plus, if we go down
this road — there is no signs that it’s man.
--
Andrey Cherkashin
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On October 27, 2014 at 6:22:22 PM, Giovanni P
I am not sure the logo has to have the meaning be so obvious. Looking at
the world of other logos, it doesn't seem that meaning is that important to
branding. The two primary uses of a couch is to have people sit on it or
lay on it. I am not sure showing someone sprawled on a couch helps anyone
to theirs.
-Joan
- Original Message -
From: Bryan Green dbryan.gr...@gmail.com
To: d...@couchdb.apache.org, Joan Touzet woh...@apache.org
Cc: user@couchdb.apache.org
Sent: Monday, October 27, 2014 9:17:50 PM
Subject: Re: [DISCUSS] Improved CouchDB logo
I think it would be interesting just
On Tue, Oct 28, 2014 at 6:57 AM, Bryan Green dbryan.gr...@gmail.com wrote:
I am not sure the logo has to have the meaning be so obvious. Looking at
the world of other logos, it doesn't seem that meaning is that important to
branding. The two primary uses of a couch is to have people sit on it
I actually like the current logo as is.
On Oct 27, 2014, at 8:49 PM, Manokaran K manoka...@gmail.com wrote:
On Tue, Oct 28, 2014 at 6:57 AM, Bryan Green dbryan.gr...@gmail.com wrote:
I am not sure the logo has to have the meaning be so obvious. Looking at
the world of other logos, it
On Oct 27, 2014, at 6:32 PM, Joan Touzet woh...@apache.org wrote:
Interesting, but those CouchBase jerks already did it:
Watch whom you're calling a jerk, please.
We might own the concept of Couch and the original red couch logo,
Uh, you can't own a concept. You can own a patent,
Not for not, but BigCouch's logo has been sans human figure for
nearly four years. This is from Adam Kocloski's slide deck at Erlang
Factory SF, March 2011:
http://f.cl.ly/items/3U0A1s0r361Z1Y3v1p1b/big-couch-logo.png
That's just the earliest I can find it in a slide deck. I did find a
few where
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