Re: Using the nocache attribute of the tag controller in struts-config.xml

2006-03-25 Thread Laurie Harper
Pierrot wrote: Hello, I'm trying to set the nocache attribute of the tag controller of the struts-config.xml to false so that my JSP pages won't be cached by either IE or Firefox but to no avail. I've also included the following script to the mainlayout.jsp file from which all my JSP files ext

Re: indexed property validation: how to keep the value the user entered

2006-03-25 Thread Laurie Harper
We'll need to see the relevant parts of your struts-config.xml too (specifically, the form bean and action mapping definitions). L. Carl Smith wrote: I have a jsp containing an indexed test box field, and I need to validate the user enter a value into all the text boxes when clicking on the s

Re: [FRIDAY] Re: has struts reached the saturation

2006-03-25 Thread Asad Habib
Jack, I think folks on this list have heard enough complaining and whinning by you and others. You claim that your right of free speech is being violated, but all I have heard from you is insults. This is a list for professional developers, not gangsters! Also, how are contributing by claiming

Re: Dynamically adding form beans in plugin

2006-03-25 Thread Joe Germuska
Eamonn: The plugin gets the specific ModuleConfig for the module in which the element appears. If you want to perform a certain setup operation in several modules, then each of them should repeat the same element (or as close to the same as is appropriate.) If you only put the element in

Re: [FRIDAY] Re: has struts reached the saturation

2006-03-25 Thread Dakota Jack
I don't know about you, but my email comes organized so that I can easily work around anything that happens on a list. I would think that this is fairly normal and something we could expect? I can remember when the dev list would say "Heh, take that stuff to the user list". But, if things go to

Re: [FRIDAY] Re: has struts reached the saturation

2006-03-25 Thread Paul Benedict
Dakota, Thanks for wanting my input :-) I am not looking for censorship, but I am looking for productive discussions and sometimes that means pruning one discussion for the sake of another. I tend to agree that this thread should move onto the dev board; it seems to be the appropraite place, in my

Re: Why did Struts development stagnate?

2006-03-25 Thread Dakota Jack
Unless you had different logic books in school than I did, Craig, "including" does not mean "excluding all else". I am here to communicate with other developers that are using STruts for their own applications and part of that is the concern about how the development process here has been failing.

Re: [FRIDAY] Re: has struts reached the saturation

2006-03-25 Thread Dakota Jack
Well, I for one would be interested in what you have to say, Paul. I think it is too bad that you feel you cannot answer on this list. That is as close to a tragedy as it gets. I cannot believe how censorship works on this list. What a sad thing. I want to get peoples' ideas on this. I cannot

Dynamically adding form beans in plugin

2006-03-25 Thread Eamonn O'Donnell
Hi, I have multiple modules configured in my web application I want to in the init() method of my plugin 1. read a file with some info 2. find a particular ModConfig object corresponding to 1 of my modules 3. According to the info in the file create and add FormBeanConfig objects to that ModConf

Re: [FRIDAY] Re: has struts reached the saturation

2006-03-25 Thread Dakota Jack
Why does anyone want to stop a thread? If it stops it stops? What is the motivation for stopping a discussion? This seems really, really strange. If you don't want to participate, don't. If you don't like what is being said, have your own say. But to want other people to stop talking? That is

Re: [FRIDAY] Re: has struts reached the saturation

2006-03-25 Thread Dakota Jack
It has been taken off track by your backers, Craig. There were some questions raised about why Struts failed and how it might be good to look at how this list behaves. This is the only forum for that discussion. You get people that are wonderfully happy with the list that take that concern down

Re: Struts Calendar Component

2006-03-25 Thread Lixin Chu
this might be of interest. very easy to integrate into your application: http://www.dynarch.com/projects/calendar/ HTMLArea is also something cool.

Re: [FRIDAY] Re: has struts reached the saturation

2006-03-25 Thread Dakota Jack
What is your problem with this thread, Mark. Why can you just not STAND it if the people who are talking talk? Why do you want them to be SILENT? You talk about other people soiling, smearing, etc., and you are one of the worse offenders. Jonathon comes on here and makes a few legitimate points

Re: [FRIDAY] Re: has struts reached the saturation

2006-03-25 Thread Paul Benedict
Johnathan, I am going to eat my own advice. I am going to respond to this privately :) Expect an email soon. Paul --- Jonathan Revusky <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Paul Benedict wrote: > > +1 with Frank and Craig. Unless you need to have your viewpoint > > continuously heard in public, some of

Re: Why did Struts development stagnate?

2006-03-25 Thread Paul Benedict
I believe the user group is for user questions about Struts; if I had to pick a place for questions like these, they really belong on the dev list so the casual user isn't loaded down with internal disputations and disagreements. --- Jonathan Revusky <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Craig McClanahan

Re: [FRIDAY] Re: has struts reached the saturation

2006-03-25 Thread Dakota Jack
Okay, Dave?!? I guess you are right after all: non-public open-source projects are really quite normal, right? Keep truckin'! On 3/25/06, Dave Newton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Dakota Jack wrote: > > This is going to be one of my all time favorites. Brought a HUGE grin > to my > > face. > >

Re: [FRIDAY] Re: has struts reached the saturation

2006-03-25 Thread Dakota Jack
If people want to talk, Mark, what do you care? You and a few other drones come on and beg people to stop talking. What is that about? Who in the hell do you think you are to dictate who wants to talk? You always have these facists tendencies? The trouble is that the truth hurts. Why don't you

Re: [FRIDAY] Re: has struts reached the saturation

2006-03-25 Thread Dakota Jack
I fully understand Struts, Martin. Struts is fairly easy to understand. I work with code that makes Struts look like tinker toys. I also understand that Struts cannot be organized by the MVC paradigm and have discussed that at length many times on the list. Ted is right that only loose coupling

Re: [FRIDAY] Re: has struts reached the saturation

2006-03-25 Thread Dakota Jack
Well, you managed to avoid the whole issue again, Raeburn. Do you ever address a topic? On 3/25/06, Steve Raeburn <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I normally ignore your crap and I'm sorry for prolonging this agony for > everyone. This really will be my last word. > > Michael, why do you continue t

Re: Why did Struts development stagnate?

2006-03-25 Thread Craig McClanahan
On 3/25/06, Jonathan Revusky <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Craig McClanahan wrote: > > On 3/25/06, Jonathan Revusky <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > >>The question is, at the very least, broadly on-topic. > > > > > > > > This interpretation is wildly out of sync with the formal description of > >

Re: Wizards in Struts

2006-03-25 Thread Jonathan Revusky
Michael Jouravlev wrote: While reading "Java Web Framework Sweet Spots" by Matt Raible [1] I found the following opinion by Patrick Lightbody: "Like any action framework, WebWork is poor at handling state and wizards. If you're writing lots of long-running wizards, perhaps JSF is the way to go."

Re: Why did Struts development stagnate?

2006-03-25 Thread Jonathan Revusky
Craig McClanahan wrote: On 3/25/06, Jonathan Revusky <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: The question is, at the very least, broadly on-topic. This interpretation is wildly out of sync with the formal description of this mailing list's purpose[1], quoted below: Subscribe to this list to communi

Wizards in Struts

2006-03-25 Thread Michael Jouravlev
While reading "Java Web Framework Sweet Spots" by Matt Raible [1] I found the following opinion by Patrick Lightbody: "Like any action framework, WebWork is poor at handling state and wizards. If you're writing lots of long-running wizards, perhaps JSF is the way to go." I would like to plug in m

Re: [FRIDAY] Re: has struts reached the saturation

2006-03-25 Thread Jonathan Revusky
Paul Benedict wrote: +1 with Frank and Craig. Unless you need to have your viewpoint continuously heard in public, some of the latter postings can be shared privately. Most of it was good, and I think it generated much good; thanks for sharing. Well, my problem on this right now is that I jus

Re: Why did Struts development stagnate?

2006-03-25 Thread Craig McClanahan
On 3/25/06, Jonathan Revusky <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > The question is, at the very least, broadly on-topic. This interpretation is wildly out of sync with the formal description of this mailing list's purpose[1], quoted below: Subscribe to this list to communicate with other developers

[TALK] Java Web Framework Sweet Spots - by Matt Raible

2006-03-25 Thread Michael Jouravlev
Java Web Framework Sweet Spots - by Matt Raible http://www.virtuas.com/articles/webframework-sweetspots.html I selected relevant responses by the following representatives: JSF, Jacob Hookom Seam, Gavin King Spring MVC, Rob Harrop Spring Web Flow, Rob Harrop and Keith Donald Stripes, Tim Fennell

Why did Struts development stagnate?

2006-03-25 Thread Jonathan Revusky
Craig McClanahan wrote: On 3/25/06, Jonathan Revusky <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Mark Lowe wrote: Look.. You've been invited to post your thoughts about the way that apache do stuff, to a more appropiate audience than a bunch of half-wit struts users like me.. Mark, I was involved in a conve

Re: [FRIDAY] Re: has struts reached the saturation

2006-03-25 Thread Paul Benedict
+1 with Frank and Craig. Unless you need to have your viewpoint continuously heard in public, some of the latter postings can be shared privately. Most of it was good, and I think it generated much good; thanks for sharing. --- "Frank W. Zammetti" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Craig McClanahan w

Re: [FRIDAY] Re: has struts reached the saturation

2006-03-25 Thread Frank W. Zammetti
Craig McClanahan wrote: No matter where the conversation developed, it has gone in directions that are off topic on this list. Please feel free to continue the conversation, but do it somewhere else. (About to break my own "I'm done posting in this thread" rule)... Even I, as someone who was

Re: [FRIDAY] Re: has struts reached the saturation

2006-03-25 Thread Craig McClanahan
On 3/25/06, Jonathan Revusky <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Mark Lowe wrote: > > Look.. You've been invited to post your thoughts about the way that > > apache do stuff, to a more appropiate audience than a bunch of > > half-wit struts users like me.. > > Mark, I was involved in a conversation with

Re: [FRIDAY] Re: has struts reached the saturation

2006-03-25 Thread Mark Lowe
On 3/25/06, Jonathan Revusky <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Mark Lowe wrote: > > Look.. You've been invited to post your thoughts about the way that > > apache do stuff, to a more appropiate audience than a bunch of > > half-wit struts users like me.. > > Mark, I was involved in a conversation with v

Re: [FRIDAY] Re: has struts reached the saturation

2006-03-25 Thread Jonathan Revusky
Mark Lowe wrote: Look.. You've been invited to post your thoughts about the way that apache do stuff, to a more appropiate audience than a bunch of half-wit struts users like me.. Mark, I was involved in a conversation with various people. It so happens that the conversation developed here.

Re: [FRIDAY] Re: has struts reached the saturation

2006-03-25 Thread Mark Lowe
Look.. You've been invited to post your thoughts about the way that apache do stuff, to a more appropiate audience than a bunch of half-wit struts users like me.. I was using "smear" more in the context of "to soil" You might have a point, you might not, you could be the next pope for all i care.

Re: [FRIDAY] Re: has struts reached the saturation

2006-03-25 Thread Jonathan Revusky
Mark Lowe wrote: May I +1000 what steve said, I'm all for a bit of digression, but this thread has narrowed the sematic gap between "to post" and "to smear".. What smear? Do you mean "smear" as in "slander"? Could you be more explicit about this? I think you ought to clarify what you mean by t

Re: Struts Tutorial

2006-03-25 Thread Dave Newton
Dakota Jack wrote: > If you are smart, go elsewhere where things are not this nuts. > *ponder* Dave - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: [FRIDAY] Re: has struts reached the saturation

2006-03-25 Thread Dave Newton
Dakota Jack wrote: > As to the rest, so far as I can tell, you are the troll, my friend. > *rotflmao* And I am most certainly NOT your friend. Dave - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mai

Re: [FRIDAY] Re: has struts reached the saturation

2006-03-25 Thread Dave Newton
Dakota Jack wrote: > While sitting in the biggest pile of crap code one could imagine, Oo, heavens no. Maybe you haven't seen much code, but believe me: it gets much, much, MUCH worse. Dave - To unsubscribe, e-mail:

Re: [FRIDAY] Re: has struts reached the saturation

2006-03-25 Thread Dave Newton
Dakota Jack wrote: > This is going to be one of my all time favorites. Brought a HUGE grin to my > face. > Weird, but okay. If you are addressing the apparent dichotomy with "publicly-accessible" and "open-source" then you probably just don't know very much, but I'll talk slowly, as there are

Re: [FRIDAY] Re: has struts reached the saturation

2006-03-25 Thread Dave Newton
Jonathan Revusky wrote: > When people do start using their commit privileges they are usually > quite timid about it initially and initiate discussion on your list > prior to doing anything remotely controversial. People typically start > off doing very small localized things. And these things are

Re: [FRIDAY] Re: has struts reached the saturation

2006-03-25 Thread Mark Lowe
May I +1000 what steve said, I'm all for a bit of digression, but this thread has narrowed the sematic gap between "to post" and "to smear".. Its just become some sick kind of dirty protest http://pso.hmprisonservice.gov.uk/pso1700/DIRTY%20PROTESTS.htm.. Mark On 3/25/06, Jonathan Revusky <[EMAIL

SV: SV: [shale] Best practice for passing information between views in Shale

2006-03-25 Thread Hermod Opstvedt
Hi Of course it is a great example :) My sentiment was more in the "posting" line of JSF Hermod -Opprinnelig melding- Fra: Gary VanMatre [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sendt: 25. mars 2006 14:41 Til: Struts Users Mailing List; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Emne: Re: SV: [shale] Best practice for passin

Re: SV: [shale] Best practice for passing information between views in Shale

2006-03-25 Thread Gary VanMatre
>From: Hermod Opstvedt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Hi > > 1. > Thanks, I looked at Gary's Rolodex example, and the QueryParam valueholder > seems like another way of doing it. This also allows for moving between > arbitrary pages. Not quite JSFish though. > Ah come on, it's a great example of

Re: Dynamic DynaActionForms

2006-03-25 Thread Hubert Rabago
Maybe you can leverage the LazyActionForm: http://struts.apache.org/struts-action/userGuide/building_controller.html#lazy_action_form_classes Hubert On 3/24/06, Will Hartung <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Simply put I have a need for a configurable form that can have any mixture > of fields on it

Re: [FRIDAY] Re: has struts reached the saturation

2006-03-25 Thread Jonathan Revusky
Dave Newton wrote: Jonathan Revusky wrote: I have no publicly-accessible open-source projects. If I did, I would not give commit access to anybody that asked for it, because I do not have the time to review the contributions of others and do not trust J. Random Coder enough to assume that th

Re: [FRIDAY] Re: has struts reached the saturation

2006-03-25 Thread Martin Gainty
Steven- A multi-threaded enterprise wide solution that is organised according to true Model View Controller paradigm is NOT a pile of crap nor is anything else you dont understand- I would strongly suggest you think about all of the hard work and effort that the commiters and people on this li

Re: [FRIDAY] Re: has struts reached the saturation

2006-03-25 Thread Jonathan Revusky
Steve Raeburn wrote: I normally ignore your crap and I'm sorry for prolonging this agony for everyone. This really will be my last word. Michael, why do you continue to waste your time on such a "big pile of crap" as Struts? What kind of a fool must you be for using the world's worst web fram

Re: [FRIDAY] Re: has struts reached the saturation

2006-03-25 Thread Steve Raeburn
I normally ignore your crap and I'm sorry for prolonging this agony for everyone. This really will be my last word. Michael, why do you continue to waste your time on such a "big pile of crap" as Struts? What kind of a fool must you be for using the world's worst web framework, run by a bunch

Re: View Not Correctly Being Indexed by searchengines.

2006-03-25 Thread Mark Lowe
Here's something you may find handy http://tuckey.org/urlrewrite/manual/2.6/guide.html googlebot.* ^(.*);jsessionid=.*(\?.*)$ $1$2 On 3/25/06, Mark Lowe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Sessionid's can cause problems, some spiders understand > ;jsessionid=[the id] is part of the url. T

Re: View Not Correctly Being Indexed by searchengines.

2006-03-25 Thread Mark Lowe
Sessionid's can cause problems, some spiders understand ;jsessionid=[the id] is part of the url. Therefore everytime the bot comes around it thinks its a different page. The usual thing to do is remove sessionid for spiders. Attention needs to be paid in case the application depends on the session

Using the nocache attribute of the tag controller in struts-config.xml

2006-03-25 Thread Pierrot
Hello, I'm trying to set the nocache attribute of the tag controller of the struts-config.xml to false so that my JSP pages won't be cached by either IE or Firefox but to no avail. I've also included the following script to the mainlayout.jsp file from which all my JSP files extend: My applicati

Re: Struts Tutorial

2006-03-25 Thread Dakota Jack
It is Struts that is confused, not this person. If you are smart, go elsewhere where things are not this nuts. On 3/24/06, James Mitchell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > As far as products, right now there is Action and Shale. > > Most people familiar with Action might just say 'Struts' and there

Re: [FRIDAY] Re: has struts reached the saturation

2006-03-25 Thread Dakota Jack
The fact is that there will not be an explanation for this failure. While sitting in the biggest pile of crap code one could imagine, they continue to extoll their virtues as if they were about to be mentioned for an honorarium in computer history. On 3/24/06, Jonathan Revusky <[EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: [FRIDAY] Re: has struts reached the saturation

2006-03-25 Thread Dakota Jack
This is going to be one of my all time favorites. Brought a HUGE grin to my face. On 3/24/06, Dave Newton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I have no publicly-accessible open-source projects. -- "You can lead a horse to water but you cannot make it float on its back." ~Dakota Jack~

Re: [FRIDAY] Re: has struts reached the saturation

2006-03-25 Thread Dakota Jack
I could not bear the thought of having some of these committers talk about my code when they have trouble with the English language, much less Java. On 3/24/06, Jonathan Revusky <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Michael Jouravlev wrote: > > On 3/24/06, Steve Raeburn <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > >

Re: [FRIDAY] Re: has struts reached the saturation

2006-03-25 Thread Dakota Jack
Good God, Michael, he was trying to be sarcastic and only reached sardonic but fooled you. Do you actually think a lightbulb like Raeburn would be agreeing with Revusky? Don't you realize that Raeburn is another one of "DOH" bunch? On 3/24/06, Michael Jouravlev <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On

Re: [FRIDAY] Re: has struts reached the saturation

2006-03-25 Thread Dakota Jack
I don't think you see, Steve, that this sardonic cuteness misses the whole point. While you seem to think you have it all going on, this in fact is inane. No one in their right mind without some political in or position would take much time to contribute to Struts, because the process is complete

SV: [shale] Best practice for passing information between views in Shale

2006-03-25 Thread Hermod Opstvedt
Hi 1. Thanks, I looked at Gary's Rolodex example, and the QueryParam valueholder seems like another way of doing it. This also allows for moving between arbitrary pages. Not quite JSFish though. 2. I think that the might be what I want here. Hermod -Opprinnelig melding- Fra: [EMAIL PR

SV: [Shale] Name scoping in Clay

2006-03-25 Thread Hermod Opstvedt
Hi The method exists on my bean with the correct methodsignature. I had "stolen" this from your excellent rolodex example, and there you had it defined as: So I thought that I could substitute the hardcoded name with a Cl

Re: [FRIDAY] Re: has struts reached the saturation

2006-03-25 Thread Dakota Jack
Turns out you were talking about, as I understand you, code in company as opposed to code on an open source project. This is totally irrelevant. The issue is not whether there are people who make mistakes in companies. The issue is about open source. Those are not the same. So, do you have any

Re: [FRIDAY] Re: has struts reached the saturation

2006-03-25 Thread Dakota Jack
Again, sigh, this is irrelevant. This is so off the topic and the point. How you could think this is relevant is truly a mystery. On 3/24/06, Dave Newton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Dakota Jack wrote: > > I flat don't believe this. Who, what, where, when, etc? > > > > This isn't me (although