Fumo, Vince wrote:
ok follow-up and I'm sure this one will take 2 seconds to answer..
part 1) is there a JSTL way to do the ?
Probably, but I've not used JSTL...
part 2) What does it mean when the status message from the below code by Bob
comes out as a literal (i.e.. <%=rollOverText%>) instead
Hello Ted ,
Do you know where I can download sources for
MailReader app with Struts 1.3?
>From web I can only download the war, not sources..
Thanks and regards
Marco
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Well, you know, an ActionForm is what it is. :)
On this list, most people will tell you it belongs to the View.
Other frameworks with similar architectural members call gizmos like
ActionForms the "Model". Why? Because in classic MVC, the View
subscribes to the Model, most often as an Observer.
On Fri, 2005-04-01 at 06:01 -0500, Ted Husted wrote:
> Well, you know, an ActionForm is what it is. :)
>
> On this list, most people will tell you it belongs to the View.
>
To shorten Ted's post:
This depends on your viewpoint. Inside the presentation layer it's 100%
the model. If you are tal
Leon,
Thanks for your thoughts.
I just convinced myself that thinking ActionForm as a part of
Controller made most sense! Having said that, I'll be thinking more
about your point of view.
Regards,
ATTA
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> On Fri, 2005-04-01 at 0
On Fri, 2005-04-01 at 05:14 -0800, atta-ur rehman wrote:
> Leon,
>
> Thanks for your thoughts.
>
> I just convinced myself that thinking ActionForm as a part of
> Controller made most sense! Having said that, I'll be thinking more
> about your point of view.
>
:-)))
If you feel comfortable wi
Okay, Leon,
Now I got to PRINT this and read before I speak!
Many thanks for your time and thoughts.
ATTA
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> On Fri, 2005-04-01 at 05:14 -0800, atta-ur rehman wrote:
> > Leon,
> >
> > Thanks for your thoughts.
> >
> > I just conv
"...we might as well be discussing how many angels can dance on the head
of a pin"
639. 704 if they all go to LA Weight Loss for 3 months. But either way
that assumes they haven't been drinking, otherwise they won't be able to
keep their balance long enough to count. I believe this research
You can turn off the framework's validation, and specifically call
validate in the methods where you want it.
/** Java code off the top of my head; may not compile
public ActionForward create(mapping,form,request,response) {
ActionErrors validations = form.validate();
if (validations != null &
On Mar 31, 2005 1:54 PM, Fumo, Vince <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> ok follow-up and I'm sure this one will take 2 seconds to answer..
>
> part 1) is there a JSTL way to do the ?
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Craig McClanahan wrote:
I would caution new projects, however, to *not* use the Struts HTML
tags. That part of Struts has received fairly little developer
attention, and should be considered legacy at this point.
I would disagree. JSTL replaced some tag, but HTML tag is IMO best
practice and pro
On Apr 1, 2005 8:53 AM, Frank W. Zammetti <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Perhaps that's a politician's answer, avoid giving a real answer to a
> sticky question :) but I actually feel like that fits the evidence, so
> to speak. Depends on what the definition of "is" is I guess :)
OK, since we've ha
On Mar 31, 2005 10:40 PM, atta-ur rehman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Dea all,
>
> I'm sure I've seen this topic before! Just can't remember where and
> google won't help either! Can anybody please explain which MVC layer
> form belongs?
>
> TIA.
>
> ATTA
>
So, Atta, so you don't have to googl
Be careful using over .
The DefineTag creates both a scripting variable and a page scoped attribute,
so you can use bean:define and then use that in any struts tag, jstl tag, or
<% scriptlet %>, but not the same in reverse.
If you do c:set, only the scoped var is created, so doing and trying t
I'll see if I can fix that part of the (maven) nightly build. Look for it
in the next couple of days.
In the meantime, you can get the sources directly from subversion. Or (if
you have no desire to setup a svn client) you can ask/beg someone who
already has it to grab the latest and zip it up
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Hello,
Ok I had link..that is fine, I just wanted to see
Struts 1.3 in action with that app.
Thanx and regards
marco
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NetSQL wrote:
Craig McClanahan wrote:
I would caution new projects, however, to *not* use the Struts HTML
tags. That part of Struts has received fairly little developer
attention, and should be considered legacy at this point.
I would disagree. JSTL replaced some tag, but HTML tag is IMO best
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So is Craig's advice to abandon Struts tags even in a Struts app? Write out
HTML elements yourself and get the values with expressions?
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Benedict, Paul C wrote:
So is Craig's advice to abandon Struts tags even in a Struts app? Write out
HTML elements yourself and get the values with expressions?
Dunno. Craig?
I still use the html tags because they know about the app resources, but
I sometimes struggle a bit when I need to extend
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Anyone with document conversion (Word --> PDF, etc) Struts programs
out there? What is recommended? Cocoon, ? Thanks.
Jack
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About the ActionForms... I don't personally consider them part of
either layer. Tangentially, the same goes for Value Objects. They
straddle the line between two layers in my mind. They are the
channel through which the view communicates with the control layer,
and Value Objects are the chan
Can I add a css class id to a message?
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Frank,
I like your M+V+C channeling examples!
Thanks.
ATTA
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> "...we might as well be discussing how many angels can dance on the head
> of a pin"
>
> 639. 704 if they all go to LA Weight Loss for 3 months. But either way
>
Ich werde verdammt. Dank für das Erklären der ganzen Welt,
einschließlich Jakarta Apache.
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Vat iskee sayging?
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What do you mean? the return value of bean:message is simple text, not
html. You can always wrap the bean:message with a div tag I suppose.
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Roughly, in my school German:
"I was damned. Thanks for the Demonstrator, from the whole World, including
Jakarta Apache."
Not sure it makes sense.
Der Erklärer = the demonstrator or exponent
Ganzen Welt = the whole world
Vat iskee sayging?
.
Ich werde verdammt. Dank für das Erk
My German is rough, but something about being condemned and thanks for
explaining the whole world...Strange.
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James Mitchell wrote:
Vat iskee sayging?
We're condemned to being bombarded with wads of out-of-office messages.
The whole world knows, including us.
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Can I add a css class id to a message?
You can wrap it in a :)
bean:message just retrieves values; it doesn't (and shouldn't) know
anything about presentation, I'd think.
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My German is rough, but something about being condemned and thanks for explaining the whole world...Strange.
No no, TOO the whole world, with a hint of implied needless repitition.
I've gotten about a dozen of the out-of-office msgs this morning; it IS
pretty irritating, so
Tankx. Bi za vay, eye vas jes kidn ;)
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So what is the difference between and ?
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Ah, I wondered why I hadn't filtered anymore since I started it. Whew :)
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The primary difference between the and tags is that
doesn't do any formatting of it's own. The tag acts as a paragraph
break, because it is defining a logical division in the document. The
tag simply tells the browser to apply the style and align rules
to whatever is within the .
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Frank
Hello,
I have been building an appliction using the Struts framework for a couple of
weeks and am starting to get a good feel for using it. So far I have been using
ActionForms and am pleased with them.
As I was going over the job specification yesterday, I noticed I am coming up
on a large
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So what is the difference between and ?
I think s are more "in-line" whereas a "div" is like a layer. Or
something. But if you're just wrapping something inside another html
chunk a span is probably more appropriate.
Bah, presentation-side.
Dave
On Apr 1, 2005 11:31 AM, Joe Germuska <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> You have a point, Frank, but more importantly, people have to
> remember that the original MVC pattern applied to an event driven
> unified runtime environment, not a request/response environment.
Back when we were writing Struts I
is a block element.
is an inline element.
(Yes, those are technical terms)
-Justin
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I'll be damned. You let everyone in the World know, including Jakarta Apache.
Jack
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to Jakarta. No biggie?]
On Apr 1, 2005 9:32 AM, James Mitchell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Vat iskee sayging?
>
> --
> James Mitchell
> Soft
> So what is the difference between and ?
Both mark off arbitrary blocks of text. is like in that it implies
a line break before and after the division. does not cause a line
break, so it can be used in the middle of a line.
--
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On Apr 1, 2005 8:23 AM, Benedict, Paul C <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> So is Craig's advice to abandon Struts tags even in a Struts app? Write out
> HTML elements yourself and get the values with expressions?
No. My advice is to plan on using JSF components for the UI part.
That can be an orthog
Craig,
Thank you for the response and advice. I will take this into consideration,
but I have a difficult time accepting that the future is JSF. Despite it's
acceptance as a standard, I don't feel any compelling reason to ever use JSF
over Struts unless JSF becomes a huge marketing success.
What
Benedict, Paul C wrote:
Thank you for the response and advice. I will take this into consideration,
but I have a difficult time accepting that the future is JSF. Despite it's
acceptance as a standard, I don't feel any compelling reason to ever use JSF
over Struts unless JSF becomes a huge marketing
I agree. I thought, Craig, that you until recently were interested in
Struts and JSF coexisting, meaning that both would grow, even if you
were no longer the active leader of Struts.
As a developer, I have no interest in JSF, but am interested in Struts 1.3.
Erik
Benedict, Paul C wrote:
Craig,
T
Erik Weber wrote:
I agree. I thought, Craig, that you until recently were interested in
Struts and JSF coexisting, meaning that both would grow, even if you
were no longer the active leader of Struts.
I don't think anybody said anything about not using Struts; we were
discussing the Struts tags,
Dave,
Unless I am wrong (I may be!), I think the implicit point is not to use
Struts for future projects. Since JSF provides backing beans, validation,
heavy user interface controls (all Struts equivalents), I can see why
someone would promote JSF over Struts.
But why? If the only reason is
Sure you can. It is just the same as coding both .NET and Sruts.
Nuts, but you can do it.
Jack
On Mar 30, 2005 7:30 AM, Caroline Jen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I am working on a big J2EE project. The project is at
> its initial stage. The leaders of the project have not
> quite made up their
I agree with this. The html tags are boss.
On Apr 1, 2005 6:45 AM, NetSQL <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Craig McClanahan wrote:
>
> >
> > I would caution new projects, however, to *not* use the Struts HTML
> > tags. That part of Struts has received fairly little developer
> > attention, and shou
Who he is, Dave, is someone paid by the people bringing you JSF. Doh!
I think I will just have to do my own evaluation all by myself, and
then I can say "The best thing about it is that I did it myself".
Like they said about me in the 3rd grade: he always does a little more
than asked. ///;-)
No, Dave, the topic started out to be about Struts and JSF. The two
solutions, JSF and Struts, even if Craig got JSF into the Struts camp
with Shale, are competely antithetical. Read the MASTER HISSELF, Rod
Johnson, in J2EE Development without EJB on Struts and JSF, Shale, or
whatever. I have no
On Apr 1, 2005 11:08 AM, Dave Newton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Benedict, Paul C wrote:
>
> >Thank you for the response and advice. I will take this into consideration,
> >but I have a difficult time accepting that the future is JSF. Despite it's
> >acceptance as a standard, I don't feel any com
Because you get yelled at when you say that and some people cannot
take being yelled at. Expect Craig, Ted, or someone to say the
standard thing soon on this tread. I know I am doing my part. LOL
///;-)
Jack
On Apr 1, 2005 11:45 AM, Benedict, Paul C <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Dave,
>
> Unl
Benedict, Paul C wrote:
Unless I am wrong (I may be!), I think the implicit point is not to use
Struts for future projects. Since JSF provides backing beans, validation,
heavy user interface controls (all Struts equivalents), I can see why
someone would promote JSF over Struts.
Ooo, hrm. Al
Dakota Jack wrote:
No, Dave, the topic started out to be about Struts and JSF. The two
solutions, JSF and Struts, even if Craig got JSF into the Struts camp
with Shale, are competely antithetical.
The post I responded to was specifically about how the struts HTML tags
were legacy and hadn't gotte
On Apr 1, 2005 11:20 AM, Erik Weber <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I agree. I thought, Craig, that you until recently were interested in
> Struts and JSF coexisting, meaning that both would grow, even if you
> were no longer the active leader of Struts.
There is an integration library that lets you
Dave,
>>Ooo, hrm. All he really said was that the HTML tags are legacy;
obviously Struts development marches on.
To Jack's point, doing a *new* application in both Struts and JSF seems like
a ludicrous design. So if you are going to develop a new application and
favor JSF UI tags in it, doesn't
Now, I don't want to get off on a rant here,
but...
It is very disconcerting to me to see all this talk of JSF being "the
future". It strikes me as nothing more than a bunch of marketing-speak
in place of substantive discussion.
Note that ASP.Net, which is conceptually very similar to JSF in
Hi,
If you really don't need to validate but just to store a list of objects in
the db, i'd suggest to forget about action forms and work with
request.getParameter. You can put the logic into the name of the parameter
and/or the value.
Example:
List of properties 1..10,
In the action which is
Hi,
If you really don't need to validate but just to store a list of objects in
the db, i'd suggest to forget about action forms and work with
request.getParameter. You can put the logic into the name of the parameter
and/or the value.
Example:
List of properties 1..10,
In the action which is
K, Dave, K
On Apr 1, 2005 12:11 PM, Dave Newton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Dakota Jack wrote:
>
> >No, Dave, the topic started out to be about Struts and JSF. The two
> >solutions, JSF and Struts, even if Craig got JSF into the Struts camp
> >with Shale, are competely antithetical.
> >
> The p
Thank you,
I have been trying to work with the ActionForm for this and it is not easy to
configure.
I wasn't sure if I was sleeping today, or if falling back to
request.getParameter is sometimes the best way to go.
Sincerely
Scott
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Benedict, Paul C wrote:
To Jack's point, doing a *new* application in both Struts and JSF seems like
a ludicrous design. So if you are going to develop a new application and
favor JSF UI tags in it, doesn't that imply a goal to developing in pure
JSF?
Well... yep, it seems to.
I guess all was r
Craig McClanahan wrote:
Feel free to continue using Struts, however, if that floats *your* boat.
It's not really as simple as that though, is it Craig?
You have a great deal of sway, your opinion carries a lot of weight.
You have earned that without question. So by you making proclamations,
even
On Apr 1, 2005 12:23 PM, Craig McClanahan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Apr 1, 2005 11:20 AM, Erik Weber <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Struts 1.x has been in development for very close to five years (1.0
> was initially released just about four years ago). We've all learned
> a few things, in th
I am switching from using struts-logic tags to jstl and have a really basic
question.
An object stored in Application Scope has a method called getKeyValues() that
returns an array list of beans, each having a getKey and getValue method.
logic tag works.
">
jstl doesn't
"
The fact is that some people say JSF is great and some say it sucks.
Some of those without much love for it are people who know what they
are talking about. I don't know anyone without a stake and who has
huge standing in the community that talks up JSF. If there is, then
that would be good to k
Frank W. Zammetti wrote:
> Craig McClanahan wrote:
>
>> Feel free to continue using Struts, however, if that floats *your* boat.
>
>
> It's not really as simple as that though, is it Craig?
>
> You have a great deal of sway, your opinion carries a lot of weight.
> You have earned that without ques
On Apr 1, 2005 12:48 PM, Frank W. Zammetti <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Craig McClanahan wrote:
> > Feel free to continue using Struts, however, if that floats *your* boat.
>
> It's not really as simple as that though, is it Craig?
>
Sure it is. People will continue to use Struts no matter what
I think that JSF has been around long enough from inception (2001) to
now (2005) to tell whether or not it is the Cats Meow. It isn't.
That does not mean it is horrible, of course, but it is about as new
as "Lost in Space" is new on TV. Remember that robot that always went
"Crisis! Crisis!"? L
I am having an issue with two form fields not validating properly.
Basically, I have a form that is being used to add documents to a
repository...
The form allows the user to enter information about the document and upload
the document to the repository.
Here is the form html:
<%@ taglib uri="/
don't you just love Friday discussions!!?? :D
i think it's normal and healthy to be somewhat skeptical, and it is
natural for the knee-jerk response to something that is being force-fed
to them to be rejection. heck, even babies may not right away eat the
apple sauce you try to stuff in them!
i
Hello Craig:
Well, this is Friday so we can take it easy on the debate between Struts
and Jsf. This is about Struts-Shale, Jsf and Tiles.
First, thank you for your contributions in CoR commons-chain and Shale.
I had some time to re-visit shale and have successfully implemented
shale as a servle
I have a strange problem with PropertyMessageResourcesFactory not being
found when I run JspC from Ant. This is against tomcat5 (5.0.30-6jpp)
from the JPackage project, on RedHat EL 3.0, with IBM's 1.4.2 JDK (x86).
Two projects, both with very similar build files - one works fine
against Tomcat5,
Frank W. Zammetti wrote:
It strikes me as nothing more than a bunch of marketing-speak
in place of substantive discussion.
I agree.
I also respect and admire Craig and know that he has indirectly put
money in my pocket.
But... he has an itch for JSF and he will go that way, and it's a loss
for
I think that Craig came up with Template Method pattern and that
necessitated CoR, if I am not mistaken.
Hopefully CorR, which is old as the hills, is merely a temporary
solution to the difficulties caused by the use of the Template Method
pattern and hopefully this is just so in the extensible re
On Apr 1, 2005 2:11 PM, Duong BaTien <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Hello Craig:
>
> Well, this is Friday so we can take it easy on the debate between Struts
> and Jsf. This is about Struts-Shale, Jsf and Tiles.
>
> First, thank you for your contributions in CoR commons-chain and Shale.
> I had som
Woodchuck wrote:
i think what is irking a lot of people in the community is the *way* in
which JSF is being marketed. oooh, i would even go so far as to say
that the evangelism is Microsoft-esque, but in a subtler way.
I think that is exactly the crux of it.
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Frank W. Zammetti
Founder and Chief
Dakota Jack wrote:
That does not mean it is horrible, of course, but it is about as new
as "Lost in Space" is new on TV. Remember that robot that always went
"Crisis! Crisis!"? LOL
It was "Danger! Danger!", which applies just about as well :)
Anyway, I think a lot of the hype and a lot of the r
Craig McClanahan wrote:
There's been lots of comments about what "everyone is saying" (here,
about JSF, but in general about any technology). To make good
decisions, however, it is useful to divide "everyone" into several
categories:
I have no problem with the categories you enumerate. And if I'm
On Apr 1, 2005 2:37 PM, Frank W. Zammetti <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Dakota Jack wrote:
> > That does not mean it is horrible, of course, but it is about as new
> > as "Lost in Space" is new on TV. Remember that robot that always went
> > "Crisis! Crisis!"? LOL
>
> It was "Danger! Danger!",
Craig McClanahan wrote:
On Apr 1, 2005 2:11 PM, Duong BaTien <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Hello Craig:
Well, this is Friday so we can take it easy on the debate between Struts
and Jsf. This is about Struts-Shale, Jsf and Tiles.
First, thank you for your contributions in CoR commons-chain and Shale
Anyone have some leads on code converting between documents, e.g. PDF
to DOC, GIF to JPEG, etc.? Thanks!
Jack
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Frank W. Zammetti wrote the following on 4/1/2005 3:48 PM:
I think there is little question that you have taken every opportunity
to tell everyone that JSF is in fact "the future". There is no doubt in
my mind that you actually believe that.
And Frank, you and plenty of others, constantly let
OK, I would like a little more help please as I am not very good at CSS.
But, I have a cell that I do not control the style.
THe only issue is I need to add a bit of text that should look like this:
Some Heading (note)
Now the Heading gets set just fine with the td.style_external, but when I
c
I am trying to get a message based on a key (label.owner), and an interger I
give (1, 2, 3 etc...)
So, I am trying to use this but it doesn't work:
label.owner.<%ownerNumber%>
Any ideas how to get a dynamic key value liek this?
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Mick Knutson
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