[videoblogging] re: http://youare.tv/
Josh, nice spending time with ya this week, but when you write: let's cut the guy a break. He's listening and interacting here. That's the first step. Legaleze like Terms Of Service agreements are hard to write. Nobody knows what to do here, and paying lawyers to do this gets expensive... and the lawyers can often come up with some draconian stuff anyway. Usually people just copy TOS from other sites just to get it up and get going. They often don't think about it and the users don't often read it. Not so fast. Look at Ourmedia's Terms of Service: http://www.ourmedia.org/rules The first line says: 1. You own your own material. Ourmedia claims no intellectual property rights over the material you provide to our service. Simple, straightforward. Who wrote it? Me, someone with no law degree. Sure, a lawyer reviewed it afterward, but what your enterprise stands for has to come down from the top. Too many of us don't bother to read site TOS because we're trusting, or think it won't affect us. We need to get educated and push back whenever we see outrageous terms such as these. Public exposure, criticism and even ridicule are the first steps toward that end. If I recall correctly, members of this list pushed back at BlipTV over its original TOS, and they quickly revised them. Let's see what YouAre.tv does in response. But I'd be surprised if they follow Ourmedia's example. jd lasica ourmedia Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [videoblogging] re: http://youare.tv/
All I'm saying is let's give them the opportunity to make adjustments now that the issue has been brought up. Its probably not something the service owners thought much about. Its likely they simply copied it from somewhere else. Rather than continue to jump on them here, let's give them the opportunity to make changes... they've listened and responded to the feedback here and that's a good first start. They have said they will revise the TOS and as yet I have no reason to believe otherwise. -Josh On 1/14/06, JD Lasica [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Josh, nice spending time with ya this week, but when you write: let's cut the guy a break. He's listening and interacting here. That's the first step. Legaleze like Terms Of Service agreements are hard to write. Nobody knows what to do here, and paying lawyers to do this gets expensive... and the lawyers can often come up with some draconian stuff anyway. Usually people just copy TOS from other sites just to get it up and get going. They often don't think about it and the users don't often read it. Not so fast. Look at Ourmedia's Terms of Service: http://www.ourmedia.org/rules The first line says: 1. You own your own material. Ourmedia claims no intellectual property rights over the material you provide to our service. Simple, straightforward. Who wrote it? Me, someone with no law degree. Sure, a lawyer reviewed it afterward, but what your enterprise stands for has to come down from the top. Too many of us don't bother to read site TOS because we're trusting, or think it won't affect us. We need to get educated and push back whenever we see outrageous terms such as these. Public exposure, criticism and even ridicule are the first steps toward that end. If I recall correctly, members of this list pushed back at BlipTV over its original TOS, and they quickly revised them. Let's see what YouAre.tv does in response. But I'd be surprised if they follow Ourmedia's example. jd lasica ourmedia Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[videoblogging] Re: http://youare.tv/
Hey Guys, Sorry for the super long post... I am with YouAreTV, and I wanted to give you a brief on what we are doing. We actually want to be very different than youtube and google video. When we first started we wanted to be like all of the companies out there, but we realized that all of the user experiences really suck right now. We want to provide an experience that does allow you to find the content you want easier. To answer your comments, seems lke evryone is copying youtube. no feeds. no permalink directly to video. its all on their page. i guess its for people who dont want their own blog...just upload to their site. We are adding user page perma links, video page perma links, and individual page permalinks. We are also looking at adding rss feeds based on keyowrds, favorites and videos. Our goal is to allow you to Get your video out there. And when people are on YouAreTV, we want to enable you to create communities and interest within the YouAreTV site. Right now individuals selling content wont work because no one knows or cares about your content, if you are able to generate interest within a trusted community like YouAreTV people WILL be more willing to purchase individually created content. We have seen examples of this with Amazon and Ebay. and i cant tell who own the content once its up: http://youare.tv/terms.php; You own your content. You will always own your content. Think of yourself as a media company, and YouAreTV as simply a distribution channel. By uploading to YouAreTV, you are giving us the right to extend the reach of your video to all mediums that YouAreTV reaches now, and will reach in the future even beyond simple web pages. We are building this site for you, the content creator, and we honestly want to hear your feedback. The only way we can make is better is by hearing from you. So if you do have quesetions, or comments please leave us a message at http://www.youare.tv/ideas.php Thanks!! -David http://www.youare.tv/members/area.php?member=1 --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, robert a/k/a r [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Anyone tried this one yet? http://youare.tv/? -- cheers r Deconstructing the status quo, collaboratively My Vlog: http://r.24x7.com A Good Deal: http://foo.24x7.com Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[videoblogging] Re: http://youare.tv/
Welcome, Well this is the problem. Some people wont be happy with that. Whilst they remain they owner of the footage, they give you pretty much the rights to do whatever you like with that video once they publish it using your service. If you got a deal on TV in future, you could show all the content that people have published using your service, without giving them anything extra. If you ran some cheesy TV adverts you could include bits of peoples videos to promote your service. From what I can tell you could also license other parties to make use of the video, without needing the original creators consent. This stuff does not make you evil, nor will you necessarily do any of these things. Some people will have no problem with these terms, but some people will and so its only fair to bring this kind of thing to their attention before they use the service. Then there is also the issue that not everybody supports derivative works or wants that right automatically granted to other people. If your site is entirely centered on mash-up stuff, then it makes sense to make it a general part of the license. But you might consider making it optional? Cheers Steve of Elbows --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, esteban_k2 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You own your content. You will always own your content. Think of yourself as a media company, and YouAreTV as simply a distribution channel. By uploading to YouAreTV, you are giving us the right to extend the reach of your video to all mediums that YouAreTV reaches now, and will reach in the future even beyond simple web pages. -David http://www.youare.tv/members/area.php?member=1 --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, robert a/k/a r [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Anyone tried this one yet? http://youare.tv/? -- cheers r Deconstructing the status quo, collaboratively My Vlog: http://r.24x7.com A Good Deal: http://foo.24x7.com Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[videoblogging] Re: http://youare.tv/
Steve, Thanks for the input. We'll certainly take a look at our terms. However, this idea of rights for specific channel and don't touch my content characteristics of old media companies, and explains why they attempt the lock distribution channels, google had to develop their own DRM scheme, and you can't play video you purchased through their store on any of your portable devices, you have to purchase a CD, Ringtone, and digital version of the same song, and and why today the RIAA is suing 13 year olds. We don't believe in that at YouAreTV. YouAreTV is not in business to rip off our content creators. Our goal is to help you actually monetize your content down the line. Our objective to do that is through distribution through many channels, and allowing the viewers to consume that content in the way they choose. Hope this helps, and please keep the great input coming! --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Steve Watkins [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Welcome, Well this is the problem. Some people wont be happy with that. Whilst they remain they owner of the footage, they give you pretty much the rights to do whatever you like with that video once they publish it using your service. If you got a deal on TV in future, you could show all the content that people have published using your service, without giving them anything extra. If you ran some cheesy TV adverts you could include bits of peoples videos to promote your service. From what I can tell you could also license other parties to make use of the video, without needing the original creators consent. This stuff does not make you evil, nor will you necessarily do any of these things. Some people will have no problem with these terms, but some people will and so its only fair to bring this kind of thing to their attention before they use the service. Then there is also the issue that not everybody supports derivative works or wants that right automatically granted to other people. If your site is entirely centered on mash-up stuff, then it makes sense to make it a general part of the license. But you might consider making it optional? Cheers Steve of Elbows --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, esteban_k2 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You own your content. You will always own your content. Think of yourself as a media company, and YouAreTV as simply a distribution channel. By uploading to YouAreTV, you are giving us the right to extend the reach of your video to all mediums that YouAreTV reaches now, and will reach in the future even beyond simple web pages. -David http://www.youare.tv/members/area.php?member=1 --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, robert a/k/a r [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Anyone tried this one yet? http://youare.tv/? -- cheers r Deconstructing the status quo, collaboratively My Vlog: http://r.24x7.com A Good Deal: http://foo.24x7.com Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[videoblogging] Re: http://youare.tv/
We are neither producers or lawyers. All we want to do is help users get their video out there. That is our mission. This is the first time EVER in history that individuals have had the reach through video that they have had. Imagine someone reporting from india when the earthquakes happen, or from France when the riots happened. We think this is very powerful and will one day provide better news than CNN, MSNBC or FOX. And because this is all so new, we all still are figuring out a model that is equitable for everyone. All I want to say is that we don't have all of the answers, and are still figuring it out. But we won't know until we see great content that is on par with TV produced and consumed. In order to do that we must ensure that everything we do is fair and equitable. And I promise you, we will figure that out. But I do ask, that before you make a blanket statement about us being EVIL, please shoot us a question. We are readily available to respond to email probably 21 hours out of the day. You can submit your questions here: http://www.youare.tv/members/ideas.php --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Ted Tagami [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: a site built by attorneys and movie producers for attorneys and movie producers. by signing up you are giving them a perpetual royalty free license. http://youare.tv/terms.php On 1/13/06, robert a/k/a r [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Anyone tried this one yet? http://youare.tv/? -- cheers r Deconstructing the status quo, collaboratively My Vlog: http://r.24x7.com A Good Deal: http://foo.24x7.com -- YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS - Visit your group videoblogginghttp://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging on the web. - To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED][EMAIL PROTECTED] - Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/. -- -- Ted Tagami tagami.com U N I V E R S U S . N E T Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[videoblogging] Re: http://youare.tv/
I didn't read the terms, but however philanthropic it may be, asking people to sign away perpetual rights to their content, especially without even having a conversation, is about as extreme as it gets in terms of taking advantage and it certainly feels gross to even think about. Is that really a term for using the service? --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Ted Tagami [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I should temper my last comments. I was too knee jerk. Still I strongly consider that you review what your objectives are with your current terms of service. Being more transparent on how you expect to make a profit from independently submitted content would help assuage any concerns. Regards, - Ted On 1/13/06, Ted Tagami [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: a site built by attorneys and movie producers for attorneys and movie producers. by signing up you are giving them a perpetual royalty free license. http://youare.tv/terms.php On 1/13/06, robert a/k/a r [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Anyone tried this one yet? http://youare.tv/? -- cheers r Deconstructing the status quo, collaboratively My Vlog: http://r.24x7.com A Good Deal: http://foo.24x7.com -- YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS - Visit your group videoblogginghttp://groups.yahoo.com/group/ videoblogging on the web. - To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]videoblogging- [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/. -- -- Ted Tagami tagami.com U N I V E R S U S . N E T -- Ted Tagami tagami.com U N I V E R S U S . N E T Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[videoblogging] Re: http://youare.tv/
I really do hate to get into this over a message board. But the terms basically say: 1. You have rights to whatever you upload. 2. You will always have those rigthts. 3. The stuff you upload you give YouAreTV NON-EXCLUSIVE rights to distribute that content. With Current TV and other sites they lock your content up EXCLUSIVELY for 3-6 months. Read the agreement, and this will not fit for everyones content, and in that case maybe you CAN find a better want to distribute it, and thats fine with us. This might not be the best channel. --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Andrew Baron [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I didn't read the terms, but however philanthropic it may be, asking people to sign away perpetual rights to their content, especially without even having a conversation, is about as extreme as it gets in terms of taking advantage and it certainly feels gross to even think about. Is that really a term for using the service? --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Ted Tagami [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I should temper my last comments. I was too knee jerk. Still I strongly consider that you review what your objectives are with your current terms of service. Being more transparent on how you expect to make a profit from independently submitted content would help assuage any concerns. Regards, - Ted On 1/13/06, Ted Tagami [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: a site built by attorneys and movie producers for attorneys and movie producers. by signing up you are giving them a perpetual royalty free license. http://youare.tv/terms.php On 1/13/06, robert a/k/a r [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Anyone tried this one yet? http://youare.tv/? -- cheers r Deconstructing the status quo, collaboratively My Vlog: http://r.24x7.com A Good Deal: http://foo.24x7.com -- YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS - Visit your group videoblogginghttp://groups.yahoo.com/group/ videoblogging on the web. - To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]videoblogging- [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/. -- -- Ted Tagami tagami.com U N I V E R S U S . N E T -- Ted Tagami tagami.com U N I V E R S U S . N E T Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [videoblogging] Re: http://youare.tv/
I didnt read the agreement in its entirety, but in the bottom half of 'graph 5B the agreement reads: For clarity, you shall retain all of your ownership rights in your User Submissions. However, by submitting the User Submissions to YouAre.TV, you hereby grant YouAre.TV a worldwide, non-exclusive, fully paid-up, royalty-free, irrevocable, perpetual, sublicenseable and transferable license to use, reproduce, distribute, prepare derivative works of, display, perform and otherwise exploit the User Submissions in connection with the YouAre.TV Website and YouAre.TV's (and its successor's) business, including without limitation for promoting and redistributing part or all of the YouAre.TV Website (and derivative works thereof) in any media formats and through any media channels. (Emphasis mine) On 1/13/06, Andrew Baron [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I didn't read the terms, but however philanthropic it may be, asking people to sign away perpetual rights to their content, especially without even having a conversation, is about as extreme as it gets in terms of taking advantage and it certainly feels gross to even think about. Is that really a term for using the service? --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Ted Tagami [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I should temper my last comments. I was too knee jerk. Still I strongly consider that you review what your objectives are with your current terms of service. Being more transparent on how you expect to make a profit from independently submitted content would help assuage any concerns. Regards, - Ted On 1/13/06, Ted Tagami [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: a site built by attorneys and movie producers for attorneys and movie producers. by signing up you are giving them a perpetual royalty free license. http://youare.tv/terms.php On 1/13/06, robert a/k/a r [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Anyone tried this one yet? http://youare.tv/? -- cheers r Deconstructing the status quo, collaboratively My Vlog: http://r.24x7.com A Good Deal: http://foo.24x7.com -- YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS - Visit your group videoblogginghttp://groups.yahoo.com/group/ videoblogging on the web. - To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]videoblogging- [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/. -- -- Ted Tagami tagami.com U N I V E R S U S . N E T -- Ted Tagami tagami.com U N I V E R S U S . N E T YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group videoblogging on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. -- Ted Tagamitagami.comU N I V E R S U S . N E T YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "videoblogging" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [videoblogging] Re: http://youare.tv/
On Fri, 13 Jan 2006 22:31:53 +0100, Andrew Baron [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I didn't read the terms, but however philanthropic it may be, asking people to sign away perpetual rights to their content, especially without even having a conversation, is about as extreme as it gets in terms of taking advantage and it certainly feels gross to even think about. I'm with you. Words like perpetual and irrevocable should always set off warning lights for any potential users. Not to mention that kind of wording is incompatible with many uses of CC licensed material. Say I find a song licensed as by-nc. I say cool, I'll use that in my video. Then I upload to YouAreTv and I've already given away rights for the song that were not mine to give away! That's... counterproductive. - Andreas -- URL: http://www.solitude.dk/ Commentary on media, communication, culture and technology. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[videoblogging] Re: http://youare.tv/
Perhaps I have misunderstood though it seems you have avoided my question: 1. Do you, youare.tv, get perpetual rights to the material? Yes? The reason why this is so terrible for the content creator can be illustrated by the following example: This xmas season, a guy made a video of his christmas tree lights that spread all around the internet and became one of the most memorable and cantagious videos ever. Within about two weeks, the guy sold the video to a major beer advertiser. If his video was on your system, the beer company could have called you to do the deal, undermining him entirely. The beer company could have also put you and the guy in a bidding war, happily watching the price fall to see who would make any money at all. Therefore, this model of your service, I believe, is hurtful for anyone who creates content that they feel is or ever could be worth anything more than $0. --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, esteban_k2 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I really do hate to get into this over a message board. But the terms basically say: 1. You have rights to whatever you upload. 2. You will always have those rigthts. 3. The stuff you upload you give YouAreTV NON-EXCLUSIVE rights to distribute that content. With Current TV and other sites they lock your content up EXCLUSIVELY for 3-6 months. Read the agreement, and this will not fit for everyones content, and in that case maybe you CAN find a better want to distribute it, and thats fine with us. This might not be the best channel. --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Andrew Baron [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I didn't read the terms, but however philanthropic it may be, asking people to sign away perpetual rights to their content, especially without even having a conversation, is about as extreme as it gets in terms of taking advantage and it certainly feels gross to even think about. Is that really a term for using the service? --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Ted Tagami [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I should temper my last comments. I was too knee jerk. Still I strongly consider that you review what your objectives are with your current terms of service. Being more transparent on how you expect to make a profit from independently submitted content would help assuage any concerns. Regards, - Ted On 1/13/06, Ted Tagami [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: a site built by attorneys and movie producers for attorneys and movie producers. by signing up you are giving them a perpetual royalty free license. http://youare.tv/terms.php On 1/13/06, robert a/k/a r [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Anyone tried this one yet? http://youare.tv/? -- cheers r Deconstructing the status quo, collaboratively My Vlog: http://r.24x7.com A Good Deal: http://foo.24x7.com -- YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS - Visit your group videoblogginghttp://groups.yahoo.com/group/ videoblogging on the web. - To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]videoblogging- [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/. -- -- Ted Tagami tagami.com U N I V E R S U S . N E T -- Ted Tagami tagami.com U N I V E R S U S . N E T Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[videoblogging] Re: http://youare.tv/
Ted, Right now we don't make any revenue from you videos. This clause helps us to avoid any user from coming back and sue us saying HEY YOU OWE ME $XXX. We are taking our terms down temporarily, and will have counsel edit them to clarify that the model will change once we allow users to share in advertising, and allow them to sell content through youare.tv. But please be advised that we are not looking to rip our content creators off. Thanks for the dialog... and if you have any content we'd love to see it on the site one day ... :) --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Ted Tagami [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I didnt read the agreement in its entirety, but in the bottom half of 'graph 5B the agreement reads: For clarity, you shall retain all of your ownership rights in your User Submissions. However, by submitting the User Submissions to YouAre.TV, you hereby grant YouAre.TV a worldwide, non-exclusive, fully paid-up, royalty-free, irrevocable, perpetual, sublicenseable and transferable license to use, reproduce, distribute, prepare derivative works of, display, perform and otherwise exploit the User Submissions in connection with the YouAre.TV Website and YouAre.TV's (and its successor's) business, including without limitation for promoting and redistributing part or all of the YouAre.TV Website (and derivative works thereof) in any media formats and through any media channels. (Emphasis mine) On 1/13/06, Andrew Baron [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I didn't read the terms, but however philanthropic it may be, asking people to sign away perpetual rights to their content, especially without even having a conversation, is about as extreme as it gets in terms of taking advantage and it certainly feels gross to even think about. Is that really a term for using the service? --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Ted Tagami [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I should temper my last comments. I was too knee jerk. Still I strongly consider that you review what your objectives are with your current terms of service. Being more transparent on how you expect to make a profit from independently submitted content would help assuage any concerns. Regards, - Ted On 1/13/06, Ted Tagami [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: a site built by attorneys and movie producers for attorneys and movie producers. by signing up you are giving them a perpetual royalty free license. http://youare.tv/terms.php On 1/13/06, robert a/k/a r [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Anyone tried this one yet? http://youare.tv/? -- cheers r Deconstructing the status quo, collaboratively My Vlog: http://r.24x7.com A Good Deal: http://foo.24x7.com -- YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS - Visit your group videoblogginghttp://groups.yahoo.com/group/ videoblogging on the web. - To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]videoblogging- [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/. -- -- Ted Tagami tagami.com U N I V E R S U S . N E T -- Ted Tagami tagami.com U N I V E R S U S . N E T -- YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS - Visit your group videoblogginghttp://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging on the web. - To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED][EMAIL PROTECTED] - Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/. -- -- Ted Tagami tagami.com U N I V E R S U S . N E T Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[videoblogging] Re: http://youare.tv/
Andrew, I am not legal, but in this case please keep in mind all we have are the rights to distribute and edit that content. We don't own the content itself. Under our agreement he still would have been able to sell it to the beer company. Basically he sold the rights to the Beer company to distribute that video. Logically, the beer company would go to the creator because in most cases they will get it cheaper. Than through a broker. When you upload your video to YouAreTV you give us rights to distribute that content, and use it in promotional activities for the site. We can't pay every content creator for that content so for now You have to give it for free. Once we figure out a model that works, we will change our terms that reflect our partnership with that content creator. Unfortunately we have to be in business, and have to protect ourselves as you the content creator have to protect your content. We respect that right and if you don't want YouAreTV to get your video out there, then don't smear our name... just upload. We are just a few guys trying to build a good site seeing where micro/individually created content goes. We are not out to get our content creators... New terms to come though... --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Andrew Baron [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Perhaps I have misunderstood though it seems you have avoided my question: 1. Do you, youare.tv, get perpetual rights to the material? Yes? The reason why this is so terrible for the content creator can be illustrated by the following example: This xmas season, a guy made a video of his christmas tree lights that spread all around the internet and became one of the most memorable and cantagious videos ever. Within about two weeks, the guy sold the video to a major beer advertiser. If his video was on your system, the beer company could have called you to do the deal, undermining him entirely. The beer company could have also put you and the guy in a bidding war, happily watching the price fall to see who would make any money at all. Therefore, this model of your service, I believe, is hurtful for anyone who creates content that they feel is or ever could be worth anything more than $0. --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, esteban_k2 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I really do hate to get into this over a message board. But the terms basically say: 1. You have rights to whatever you upload. 2. You will always have those rigthts. 3. The stuff you upload you give YouAreTV NON-EXCLUSIVE rights to distribute that content. With Current TV and other sites they lock your content up EXCLUSIVELY for 3-6 months. Read the agreement, and this will not fit for everyones content, and in that case maybe you CAN find a better want to distribute it, and thats fine with us. This might not be the best channel. --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Andrew Baron [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I didn't read the terms, but however philanthropic it may be, asking people to sign away perpetual rights to their content, especially without even having a conversation, is about as extreme as it gets in terms of taking advantage and it certainly feels gross to even think about. Is that really a term for using the service? --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Ted Tagami [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I should temper my last comments. I was too knee jerk. Still I strongly consider that you review what your objectives are with your current terms of service. Being more transparent on how you expect to make a profit from independently submitted content would help assuage any concerns. Regards, - Ted On 1/13/06, Ted Tagami [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: a site built by attorneys and movie producers for attorneys and movie producers. by signing up you are giving them a perpetual royalty free license. http://youare.tv/terms.php On 1/13/06, robert a/k/a r [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Anyone tried this one yet? http://youare.tv/? -- cheers r Deconstructing the status quo, collaboratively My Vlog: http://r.24x7.com A Good Deal: http://foo.24x7.com -- YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS - Visit your group videoblogginghttp://groups.yahoo.com/group/ videoblogging on the web. - To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]videoblogging- [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/. -- -- Ted Tagami tagami.com U N I V E R S U S . N E T --
[videoblogging] Re: http://youare.tv/
--- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, esteban_k2 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This clause helps us to avoid any user from coming back and sue us saying HEY YOU OWE ME $XXX. This is just my personal opinion - my personal interpretation: I don't believe you. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[videoblogging] Re: http://youare.tv/
Andrew, I am not legal, but in this case please keep in mind all we have are the rights to distribute and edit that content. We don't own the content itself. Under our agreement he still would have been able to sell it to the beer company. Basically he sold the rights to the Beer company to distribute that video. Logically, the beer company would go to the creator because in most cases they will get it cheaper. Than through a broker. When you upload your video to YouAreTV you give us rights to distribute that content, and use it in promotional activities for the site. We can't pay every content creator for that content so for now You have to give it for free. Once we figure out a model that works, we will change our terms that reflect our partnership with that content creator. Unfortunately to be in this business, and have to protect ourselves as you the content creator have to protect your content. We respect that right and if you don't want YouAreTV to get your video out there, then don't smear our name... just don't upload. We are just a few guys trying to build a good site (that only launched a few weeks ago) seeing where micro/individually created content goes. We are not out to get our content creators... With all that said, new terms to come... --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Andrew Baron [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Perhaps I have misunderstood though it seems you have avoided my question: 1. Do you, youare.tv, get perpetual rights to the material? Yes? The reason why this is so terrible for the content creator can be illustrated by the following example: This xmas season, a guy made a video of his christmas tree lights that spread all around the internet and became one of the most memorable and cantagious videos ever. Within about two weeks, the guy sold the video to a major beer advertiser. If his video was on your system, the beer company could have called you to do the deal, undermining him entirely. The beer company could have also put you and the guy in a bidding war, happily watching the price fall to see who would make any money at all. Therefore, this model of your service, I believe, is hurtful for anyone who creates content that they feel is or ever could be worth anything more than $0. --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, esteban_k2 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I really do hate to get into this over a message board. But the terms basically say: 1. You have rights to whatever you upload. 2. You will always have those rigthts. 3. The stuff you upload you give YouAreTV NON-EXCLUSIVE rights to distribute that content. With Current TV and other sites they lock your content up EXCLUSIVELY for 3-6 months. Read the agreement, and this will not fit for everyones content, and in that case maybe you CAN find a better want to distribute it, and thats fine with us. This might not be the best channel. --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Andrew Baron [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I didn't read the terms, but however philanthropic it may be, asking people to sign away perpetual rights to their content, especially without even having a conversation, is about as extreme as it gets in terms of taking advantage and it certainly feels gross to even think about. Is that really a term for using the service? --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Ted Tagami [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I should temper my last comments. I was too knee jerk. Still I strongly consider that you review what your objectives are with your current terms of service. Being more transparent on how you expect to make a profit from independently submitted content would help assuage any concerns. Regards, - Ted On 1/13/06, Ted Tagami [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: a site built by attorneys and movie producers for attorneys and movie producers. by signing up you are giving them a perpetual royalty free license. http://youare.tv/terms.php On 1/13/06, robert a/k/a r [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Anyone tried this one yet? http://youare.tv/? -- cheers r Deconstructing the status quo, collaboratively My Vlog: http://r.24x7.com A Good Deal: http://foo.24x7.com -- YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS - Visit your group videoblogginghttp://groups.yahoo.com/group/ videoblogging on the web. - To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]videoblogging- [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/. -- -- Ted Tagami tagami.com U N
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Well it can be difficult to find the right balance with such terms conditions. Yours isnt he only service thats been talked about here for having 'perpetual' and other things in the tc. I mean you have to make the users grant you some rights or you wouldnt have the right to distribute their videos. But theres a number of things you could change that would probably help: Lose the 'perpetual' bit. Some services let users remove content from the site at any time in the future, and thus your right to distribute the content doesnt need to be perpetual, just as long as the user keeps it on the site. Consider changing the stuff about your right to use peoples videos to advertise your service. You'll get more goodwill from users if you pick the content you may want to use in future to advertise yourselves, and then ask the creators of those videos for permission. Maybe consider making your system compatible with the creative-commons way of doing things. You'll still get users without making any of these changes, but some people will be putoff. Cheers Steve of Elbows --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, esteban_k2 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ted, Right now we don't make any revenue from you videos. This clause helps us to avoid any user from coming back and sue us saying HEY YOU OWE ME $XXX. We are taking our terms down temporarily, and will have counsel edit them to clarify that the model will change once we allow users to share in advertising, and allow them to sell content through youare.tv. But please be advised that we are not looking to rip our content creators off. Thanks for the dialog... and if you have any content we'd love to see it on the site one day ... :) --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Ted Tagami [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I didnt read the agreement in its entirety, but in the bottom half of 'graph 5B the agreement reads: For clarity, you shall retain all of your ownership rights in your User Submissions. However, by submitting the User Submissions to YouAre.TV, you hereby grant YouAre.TV a worldwide, non-exclusive, fully paid-up, royalty-free, irrevocable, perpetual, sublicenseable and transferable license to use, reproduce, distribute, prepare derivative works of, display, perform and otherwise exploit the User Submissions in connection with the YouAre.TV Website and YouAre.TV's (and its successor's) business, including without limitation for promoting and redistributing part or all of the YouAre.TV Website (and derivative works thereof) in any media formats and through any media channels. (Emphasis mine) On 1/13/06, Andrew Baron [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I didn't read the terms, but however philanthropic it may be, asking people to sign away perpetual rights to their content, especially without even having a conversation, is about as extreme as it gets in terms of taking advantage and it certainly feels gross to even think about. Is that really a term for using the service? --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Ted Tagami [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I should temper my last comments. I was too knee jerk. Still I strongly consider that you review what your objectives are with your current terms of service. Being more transparent on how you expect to make a profit from independently submitted content would help assuage any concerns. Regards, - Ted On 1/13/06, Ted Tagami [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: a site built by attorneys and movie producers for attorneys and movie producers. by signing up you are giving them a perpetual royalty free license. http://youare.tv/terms.php On 1/13/06, robert a/k/a r [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Anyone tried this one yet? http://youare.tv/? -- cheers r Deconstructing the status quo, collaboratively My Vlog: http://r.24x7.com A Good Deal: http://foo.24x7.com -- YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS - Visit your group videoblogginghttp://groups.yahoo.com/group/ videoblogging on the web. - To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]videoblogging- [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/. -- -- Ted Tagami tagami.com U N I V E R S U S . N E T -- Ted Tagami tagami.com U N I V E R S U S . N E T -- YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS - Visit your group videoblogginghttp://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging on the web. - To unsubscribe from this group, send an email
Re: [videoblogging] Re: http://youare.tv/
David - Your project looks promising. Any service that can raise the signal-to-noise ratio is welcome in that it is harder and harder to see everything that is out there. I agree with you that the medium has changed and the indepenent voice can carry much farther than in the past, howecer we need to be careful not to repeat mistakes that exist on other platforms. After hearing feedback from some of us, I commend you for taking your ToS under review, and will continue to watch your site develop. My Best, - TedOn 1/13/06, esteban_k2 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ted, Right now we don't make any revenue from you videos. This clause helps us to avoid any user from coming back and sue us saying HEY YOU OWE ME $XXX. We are taking our terms down temporarily, and will have counsel edit them to clarify that the model will change once we allow users to share in advertising, and allow them to sell content through youare.tv. But please be advised that we are not looking to rip our content creators off. Thanks for the dialog... and if you have any content we'd love to see it on the site one day ... :) --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Ted Tagami [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I didnt read the agreement in its entirety, but in the bottom half of 'graph 5B the agreement reads: For clarity, you shall retain all of your ownership rights in your User Submissions. However, by submitting the User Submissions to YouAre.TV, you hereby grant YouAre.TV a worldwide, non-exclusive, fully paid-up, royalty-free, irrevocable, perpetual, sublicenseable and transferable license to use, reproduce, distribute, prepare derivative works of, display, perform and otherwise exploit the User Submissions in connection with the YouAre.TV Website and YouAre.TV's (and its successor's) business, including without limitation for promoting and redistributing part or all of the YouAre.TV Website (and derivative works thereof) in any media formats and through any media channels. (Emphasis mine) On 1/13/06, Andrew Baron [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I didn't read the terms, but however philanthropic it may be, asking people to sign away perpetual rights to their content, especially without even having a conversation, is about as extreme as it gets in terms of taking advantage and it certainly feels gross to even think about. Is that really a term for using the service? --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Ted Tagami [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I should temper my last comments. I was too knee jerk. Still I strongly consider that you review what your objectives are with your current terms of service. Being more transparent on how you expect to make a profit from independently submitted content would help assuage any concerns. Regards, - Ted On 1/13/06, Ted Tagami [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: a site built by attorneys and movie producers for attorneys and movie producers. by signing up you are giving them a perpetual royalty free license. http://youare.tv/terms.php On 1/13/06, robert a/k/a r [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Anyone tried this one yet? http://youare.tv/? -- cheers r Deconstructing the status quo, collaboratively My Vlog: http://r.24x7.com A Good Deal: http://foo.24x7.com -- YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS - Visit your group videoblogginghttp://groups.yahoo.com/group/ videoblogging on the web. - To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]videoblogging- [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/. -- -- Ted Tagami tagami.com U N I V E R S U S . N E T -- Ted Tagami tagami.com U N I V E R S U S . N E T -- YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS - Visit your group videoblogginghttp://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging on the web. - To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/. -- -- Ted Tagami tagami.com U N I V E R S U S . N E T YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group videoblogging on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. -- Ted Tagamitagami.comU N I V E R S U S . N E T SPONSORED LINKS Individual Fireant Use
Re: [videoblogging] Re: http://youare.tv/
Thankfully you have graced us with your presence, now check out the wonderful vid pjkproductions has posted. http://55broad.video.blip.tv/Pjkproductions-PaulsDream988.mp4 paul knight On 13 Jan 2006, at 22:22, Andrew Baron wrote: --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, esteban_k2 [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: This clause helps > us to avoid any user from coming back and sue us saying HEY YOU OWE > ME $XXX. This is just my personal opinion - my personal interpretation: I don't believe you. YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS ▪ Visit your group videoblogging on the web. ▪ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ▪ Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. Do yourself a favour and Visit my Vlog http://pjkproductions.blogspot.com It's worth a laugh and work friendly.
Re: [videoblogging] Re: http://youare.tv/
We are adding user page perma links, video page perma links, and individual page permalinks. We are also looking at adding rss feeds based on keyowrds, favorites and videos. Our goal is to allow you to Get your video out there. And when people are on YouAreTV, we want to enable you to create communities and interest within the YouAreTV site. Right now individuals selling content wont work because no one knows or cares about your content, if you are able to generate interest within a trusted community like YouAreTV people WILL be more willing to purchase individually created content. We have seen examples of this with Amazon and Ebay. this is great news. permalinks to pages and individual videos is necessary for most people on this group. i looked at your user profile: http://www.youare.tv/members/area.php?member=1 and see that you have a personal website: http://kefentse.com/ the idea is that you can store your video on youare.tv... but can link to the actual video file on your personal website. blip.tv is a champion of this. youtube and other hosting companies appeal to the people who dont care where their video is. Just get it up. put watermarks on it. advertising. who cares. but the real influences in the community probably wont digg this. where are you guys located? what your story? you certainly seem to just spring up. Jay Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [videoblogging] Re: http://youare.tv/
Hi Esteban, Where do you saw riots in France ? I am trying your website and i'll send my opinion to all the french vloggers At first i think you have a good concept Keep rockin' it's goog for all vloggers Loiez http://www.loiez.org Le 13 janv. 06 à 22:10, esteban_k2 a écrit : Imagine someone reporting from india when the earthquakes happen, or from France when the riots happened. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[videoblogging] Re: http://youare.tv/
graced us? I can see the eye a' rollin all over the place on that one. But thanks for the nice words. And I really did like the video, very creative. If you are going to ask someone to listen to your dreams, you might as well show them right? As an aside, up until a few weeks ago, I've kept up with every single message ever posted to this board. It's difficult as I'm sure we all know to keep up but I think its a really important component to understand other people's perspectives on everything. I cant think of a better place to be for that reason. --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Paul Knight [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thankfully you have graced us with your presence, now check out the wonderful vid pjkproductions has posted. http://55broad.video.blip.tv/Pjkproductions-PaulsDream988.mp4 paul knight On 13 Jan 2006, at 22:22, Andrew Baron wrote: --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, esteban_k2 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This clause helps us to avoid any user from coming back and sue us saying HEY YOU OWE ME $XXX. This is just my personal opinion - my personal interpretation: I don't believe you. YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS ⪠ Visit your group videoblogging on the web.  ⪠ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]  ⪠ Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. Do yourself a favour and Visit my Vlog http://pjkproductions.blogspot.com It's worth a laugh and work friendly. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [videoblogging] Re: http://youare.tv/
On 1/13/06, Ted Tagami [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: After hearing feedback from some of us, I commend you for taking your ToS under review, and will continue to watch your site develop. I'm with Ted on this one. I'm no fan of all-rights TOS's, but I'm glad you're engaging in the dialog and listening to what the current videobloggers have to say on the matter. --Stephanie -- Stephanie Bryant[EMAIL PROTECTED]Vlog: http://mortaine.blogspot.comAudioblog: http://bookramble.blogspot.com SPONSORED LINKS Individual Fireant Use Explains YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "videoblogging" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[videoblogging] Re: http://youare.tv/
You think it, nurse it, produce it and, if you so choose to, upload to this services you lose all of your rights to your creation?"YouAre.TV a worldwide, non-exclusive, fully paid-up, royalty-free,irrevocable, perpetual, sublicenseable and transferable license touse, reproduce, distribute, prepare derivative works of, display,perform and otherwise exploit the User Submissions in connection withthe YouAre.TV Website and YouAre.TV's (and its successor's) business,including without limitation for promoting and redistributing part orall of the YouAre.TV Website (and derivative works thereof) in anymedia formats and through any media channels." But anyone else can come to the site, snag your work, create mash-ups/alterations/what-not and there is no penalty (to them) or compensation (to you) as the creator?"You also hereby grant each user of the YouAre.TV Website anon-exclusive license to access your User Submissions through theWebsite, and to use, reproduce, distribute, prepare derivative worksof, display and perform such User Submissions as permitted through thefunctionality of the Website and under these Terms of Service..."Where is the anal lube cuz this is nothing but another company setting up folks to get reamed. This is how the blues recording artists got ripped off, this is how modern day musicians are getting ripped off and it makes me angry. Maybe as part of our videoblogging education process we need to start talking about the assignment of rights and full understanding of what you, I and collectively we are stepping into. It doesn't matter if the lawyer "made them do it" or there is similar wording on other sites. It is wrong, wrong, wrong to take another's work, use it to generate viewers and income and then not cut the creator in for a slice.And to stop the tangents and comparisons to music before it starts I am specifically talking about video and videoblogging web hosting companies. Forget the lube, these folks would use Crisco.Genahttp://outonthestoop.blogspot.com--- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, robert a/k/a r [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Anyone tried this one yet? http://youare.tv/? -- cheers r Deconstructing the status quo, collaboratively My Vlog: http://r.24x7.com A Good Deal: http://foo.24x7.com YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "videoblogging" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [videoblogging] Re: http://youare.tv/
Okay all... this is great feedback, but seriously let's cut the guy a break. He's listening and interacting here. That's the first step. Legaleze like Terms Of Service agreements are hard to write. Nobody knows what to do here, and paying lawyers to do this gets expensive... and the lawyers can often come up with some draconian stuff anyway. Usually people just copy TOS from other sites just to get it up and get going. They often don't think about it and the users don't often read it. Good sleuthing and great feedback. Now let's give this site/service a chance to respond and improve. -Josh On 1/13/06, Gena [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You think it, nurse it, produce it and, if you so choose to, upload to this services you lose all of your rights to your creation? YouAre.TV a worldwide, non-exclusive, fully paid-up, royalty-free, irrevocable, perpetual, sublicenseable and transferable license to use, reproduce, distribute, prepare derivative works of, display, perform and otherwise exploit the User Submissions in connection with the YouAre.TV Website and YouAre.TV's (and its successor's) business, including without limitation for promoting and redistributing part or all of the YouAre.TV Website (and derivative works thereof) in any media formats and through any media channels. But anyone else can come to the site, snag your work, create mash-ups/alterations/what-not and there is no penalty (to them) or compensation (to you) as the creator? You also hereby grant each user of the YouAre.TV Website a non-exclusive license to access your User Submissions through the Website, and to use, reproduce, distribute, prepare derivative works of, display and perform such User Submissions as permitted through the functionality of the Website and under these Terms of Service... Where is the anal lube cuz this is nothing but another company setting up folks to get reamed. This is how the blues recording artists got ripped off, this is how modern day musicians are getting ripped off and it makes me angry. Maybe as part of our videoblogging education process we need to start talking about the assignment of rights and full understanding of what you, I and collectively we are stepping into. It doesn't matter if the lawyer made them do it or there is similar wording on other sites. It is wrong, wrong, wrong to take another's work, use it to generate viewers and income and then not cut the creator in for a slice. And to stop the tangents and comparisons to music before it starts I am specifically talking about video and videoblogging web hosting companies. Forget the lube, these folks would use Crisco. Gena http://outonthestoop.blogspot.com --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, robert a/k/a r [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Anyone tried this one yet? http://youare.tv/? -- cheers r Deconstructing the status quo, collaboratively My Vlog: http://r.24x7.com A Good Deal: http://foo.24x7.com YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group videoblogging on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [videoblogging] Re: http://youare.tv/
i agree. On 1/13/06, Joshua Kinberg [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Okay all... this is great feedback, but seriously let's cut the guy a break.He's listening and interacting here. That's the first step.Legaleze like Terms Of Service agreements are hard to write. Nobodyknows what to do here, and paying lawyers to do this gets expensive... and the lawyers can often come up with some draconian stuff anyway.Usually people just copy TOS from other sites just to get it up andget going. They often don't think about it and the users don't oftenread it. Good sleuthing and great feedback. Now let's give this site/service achance to respond and improve.-JoshOn 1/13/06, Gena [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:You think it, nurse it, produce it and, if you so choose to, upload to this services you lose all of your rights to your creation? YouAre.TV a worldwide, non-exclusive, fully paid-up, royalty-free, irrevocable, perpetual, sublicenseable and transferable license to use, reproduce, distribute, prepare derivative works of, display, perform and otherwise exploit the User Submissions in connection with the YouAre.TV Website and YouAre.TV's (and its successor's) business, including without limitation for promoting and redistributing part or all of the YouAre.TV Website (and derivative works thereof) in any media formats and through any media channels. But anyone else can come to the site, snag your work, create mash-ups/alterations/what-not and there is no penalty (to them) or compensation (to you) as the creator? You also hereby grant each user of the YouAre.TV Website a non-exclusive license to access your User Submissions through the Website, and to use, reproduce, distribute, prepare derivative works of, display and perform such User Submissions as permitted through the functionality of the Website and under these Terms of Service... Where is the anal lube cuz this is nothing but another company setting up folks to get reamed.This is how the blues recording artists got ripped off, this is how modern day musicians are getting ripped off and it makes me angry. Maybe as part of our videoblogging education process we need to start talking about the assignment of rights and full understanding of what you, I and collectively we are stepping into. It doesn't matter if the lawyer made them do it or there is similar wording on other sites. It is wrong, wrong, wrong to take another's work, use it to generate viewers and income and then not cut the creator in for a slice. And to stop the tangents and comparisons to music before it starts I am specifically talking about video and videoblogging web hosting companies. Forget the lube, these folks would use Crisco. Gena http://outonthestoop.blogspot.com --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, robert a/k/a r [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Anyone tried this one yet? http://youare.tv/? -- cheers r Deconstructing the status quo, collaboratively My Vlog: http://r.24x7.com A Good Deal: http://foo.24x7.com YAHOO! GROUPS LINKSVisit your group videoblogging on the web.To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to:http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/* To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]* Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/-- sull- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -The hybrid or the meeting of two media is a moment of truth and revelation from which new form is born - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - http://vlogdir.com - The Videoblog Directoryhttp://videobloggers.org - Free Videoblog Hosting / Vlogosphere Aggregator http://interdigitate.com - on again off again personal vlog YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "videoblogging" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
