Re: Apple Introduces Cheapest iPad Yet, Special Edition Red iPhone - Bloomberg

[Mary Otten]

I don't know if Apple is the most profitable company in the world. Maybe they 
are. And market sure in the long run is not totally irrelevant. But divorced 
from profit, marketshare is a relevant. And so much of the android fan base out 
there seems to think that marketshare trumps all and the profitability is a 
relevant. They're always these fans of my articles out there trumpeting the end 
of Apple. And it hasn't happened yet. As long as Apple can keep Bies happy and 
keep growing the base to the extent that it needs to order to keep its profits 
up there and it's stock price up there, it will do great. And it really doesn't 
matter in terms of marketshare worldwide, how much that is. That's all I'm 
saying. Obviously, if you're trying to sell a product and nobody wants to buy 
it, you're done. But the issue here between android and Apple has always been 
market share. The android fan voice say, look how small apples worldwide market 
share is. But it doesn't matter, as long as the people who like apple keep 
buying it and making apple big bunches of money, and as long as there are new 
people coming into the system who think Apple's products are worth the high 
prices they charge. That means Apple App Store profits are up, developers are 
happy, and life goes on. In that sense, marketshare is not relevant.
Mary

Sent from my iPhone

> On Mar 22, 2017, at 8:27 PM, Christopher Chaltain  wrote:
> 
> I can't understand how you say market share has nothing to do with Apple's 
> profits. If they had no market share they wouldn't be selling any phones.
> 
> I'm not sure why we're arguing about Apple's profitability though. They are a 
> very profitable company. I don't think this means they can ignore market 
> share though or stop listening to their customers. I will say though that 
> they must be doing a lot of things right, and they aren't going to stray from 
> their core principles that made them the wealthiest company in the world.
> 
>> On 22/03/17 21:22, Mary Otten wrote:
>> For all those of you who apparently don't bother to read the technical
>> press, the great majority of apples profit comes from the iPhone. It's
>> that simple. And for those of you who say I should try android, I have.
>> In fact, I own to android devices, a Nexus six and an axon seven mini.
>> Before that, I had a Nexus seven. I would love to find a device that is
>> cheaper than an iPhone that does as well for me as an iPhone, because I
>> am like everybody else in that I like to save money there are things
>> about the Apple system that I do not appreciate, one of them being the
>> fact that is rather a pain to transfer files to and from an iPhone. On
>> the other hand, as someone who has a Mac, I offer you the observation
>> that transferring files between android devices and Mac is not a piece
>> of cake. So, grass is not always greener on that side of the fence either.
>> Also, the top-of-the-line android phones, such as those from Samsung on
>> the top in and the Google pixel are very comparable if not more
>> expensive than iPhones. As such, I would want those devices to be kept
>> up-to-date quickly for several years, as is the case with an iPhone. My
>> Nexus six which is I believe, the same vintage as an iPhone 6, has yet
>> to receive an update to the latest operating system. And it's not going
>> to get anymore. The iPhone 6 on the other hand, God it's update right
>> along with all other Apple iPhones. That is a huge drawback to Android,
>> and Google knows it. They're taking steps to fix it, but I remain
>> skeptical as to how successful they might be. I'm not saying android is
>> bad. And I think it's great that there are phones in many price ranges.
>> But what I am saying is that it is a simple matter of provable fact as
>> acknowledge in the technical and financial press that Apple makes the
>> vast majority of profit in the smart phone industry. You can love it or
>> leave it but you can't change it. And marketshare has absolutely nothing
>> to do with it.
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>> On Mar 22, 2017, at 6:51 PM, Pablo Cesar Morales > > wrote:
>> 
>>> Apple Introduces Cheapest iPad Yet, Special Edition Red iPhone - Bloomberg
>>> 
>>> Most don’t make profit?
>>> 
>>> How a company is going to be in business if they don’t male profit?
>>> 
>>> It doesn’t make sence. Yes, a lot of people is leaving IOs and are
>>> moving to android. You should try it, is much better. However I should
>>> recommend  that don’t buy a cheap android phone. Try to buy a nexus
>>> 6p, or a pixel phone. They are great.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> *From:*viphone@googlegroups.com 
>>> [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] *On Behalf Of *Mary Otten
>>> *Sent:* Wednesday, March 22, 2017 4:59 PM
>>> *To:* viphone@googlegroups.com 
>>> *Subject:* Re: Apple Introduces Cheapest 

Re: external GPS units for better accuracy and much longer battery life

[Kelly Pierce]

In recent iPhone models, Apple has significantly improved the battery
life.  It does not drain much on standby.  Further, the typical need
for navigation apps is in walking around a small town or traveling to
or from a bus stop or train station.  When someone reaches the
destination, usually within half an hour, the app is closed and
removed from the app switcher.  This limited use does not drain the
battery much with Blind Square or Nearby Explorer.

I have not used an external GPS receiver.  I find that the iPhone is
accurate enough outdoors.  For navigation purposes, , an accuracy rate
of five or six meters with the iPhone compared to two meters with the
GPS receiver does not make much of a difference in the real world.  I
am usually within three or four steps of the door I want to enter in
downtown Chicago with all its tall buildings up against the sidewalk
using the navigation apps.

Kelly




On 3/22/17, Chip Orange  wrote:
> Thanks Sieghard.
>
>
>
> According to Dual, and reviews in Amazon from users of Dual units, it uses
> the signal from the external unit instead of the internal gps, but it
> changed beginning with IOS 8 (I think) someone said; if you tried this using
> IOS 7 or earlier, maybe that had something to do with your results?
>
>
>
> Someone else indicated not every app was written so it deferred to the
> external signal; they indicated that navigation apps were, but perhaps
> Apple’s “find my friends” and location sharing features may not be written
> this way.
>
>
>
> Chip
>
>
>
> Chip
>
>
>
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
> Of Sieghard Weitzel
> Sent: Wednesday, March 22, 2017 12:17 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: external GPS units for better accuracy and much longer battery
> life
>
>
>
> I tried an external receiver for a while (it was the one from Garmin called
> the “Glo”) and I never noticed improved accuracy or greatly improved battery
> life. The question is how iOS uses such a receiver, does it indeed
> completely turn off the internal receiver if an external receiver is
> connected or does it simply use both signals. I found the fact that I had to
> remember to keep the external receiver charged and to bring it more trouble
> than it was worth.
>
>
>
> Regards,
>
> Sieghard
>
>
>
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
> Of Chip Orange
> Sent: Wednesday, March 22, 2017 9:03 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: external GPS units for better accuracy and much longer battery
> life
>
>
>
> Hi all,
>
>
>
> I’ve been doing some reading on use of external bluetooth gps receivers,
> which are supposed to have routine accuracy down to 2 meters, and which do
> not drain the battery on your phone because they have their own battery
> (which you must charge separately, nothing is for free!)
>
>
>
> One such model is the Dual Electronics xgps 150e ($100), and a slightly
> faster model which allows 5 devices concurrently to pair with it is their
> xgps 160.
>
>
>
> Both the much improved battery life on the phone, and the much better
> accuracy sound interesting to me, so I wondered if anyone here had tried an
> external gps receiver?  They are also supposed to be much more sensitive,
> working in downtowns full of buildings, inside houses, and other places
> where the phone’s accuracy is pretty bad (sometimes using only triangulation
> off of cell towers, and not able to use GPS at all).
>
>
>
> These models I mentioned come with a rubber holder which you can strap to
> your wrist or a strap of a bag.
>
>
>
> What do you who constantly use some GPS navigation program like Blind Square
> or Nearby Explorer think about their current GPS accuracy and/or battery
> life?  Do either need improving or is the first ok, and the second fixable
> by carrying a spare battery?
>
>
>
> Thanks,
>
>
>
> Chip Orange
>
>
>
>
>
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Re: Apple Introduces Cheapest iPad Yet, Special Edition Red iPhone - Bloomberg

[Christopher Chaltain]

I'm not sure how much a company marks up their products is relevant to 
this discussion.


I believe what you say about how market share is calculated, but I'd be 
surprised if the gap is as large as your example would make it out to 
be. Most retailers try to minimize stock because that just costs them 
money. I know I had a hard time finding my S7 Active when it came out 
because all of the stores in my area were out of stock. I know it's just 
anecdotal, but this is an example of how stores try to manage their 
stock and keep as few phones around as possible.


There are also tons of variables when it comes to market share. Apple 
does great in the US and especially in the US when looking at high end 
phones. When you look world wide or in other regions, Android and other 
handset makers are much stronger.


On 22/03/17 21:41, John Panarese wrote:

   I’m trying to find the article I recently read that demonstrates how
vast the gap is between Apple profits and all of the Android handset
makers. I believe Apple makes 33 percent on each iPhone, while the best
Android handset maker makes about 15 percent. Most make under 8 percent,
and that’s because they compete against each other and not just Apple.

   As for market share, no, it has nothing to do with a true comparison
to Apple  because of the way sales are calculated. I never buy into the
market share numbers. The reality is that Apple counts only product sold
to the consumer as sales. So, when they say they sold X million iPhones,
that’s the number sold directly to consumers.

Like Microsoft, Android handset makers use the principle of counting
product shipped to stores as sales. So, 1 million items could be sold to
a store chain, but even though 75 are sitting on shelves, it’s still
a million products sold in their books. Also, whenever you hear those
offers AT and Verizon have where you buy one Android phone, you can
get another free, guess what? Those are counted as sales too. I’d love
to see actual numbers in which product actually sold to consumers are used.

   As for Android, I’ve pointed this out a number of times. Instead of
wasting time explaining the fractured state of the Android echostyem and
the 8 or so active versions of Android that no one even knows happens to
be the latest version, the simple statistic of the reality that 92
percent of Apple devices are running iOS 10.X, while only 0.2 percent of
Android devices are running the latest version of Android. That says it
all about the state of Android.

  Lastly, again, I will try to find the article, but in reality, unlike
the previous claim, the marketing data actually illustrates that people
are jumping ship from Android to iPhones. In fact, the iPhone 6S still
out sold Samsung’s flagship phone last year, and this was after the
release of the iPhone 7. Once more, the number of folks going to iPhone
 isn’t even by a small number either. If I have the time, I’ll post the
links, but an internet search can probably locate them.

Take Care

John D. Panarese
Director
Mac for the Blind
Tel, (631) 724-4479
Email, j...@macfortheblind.com 
Website, http://www.macfortheblind.com

APPLE CERTIFIED SUPPORT PROFESSIONAL and Trainer

AUTHORIZED APPLE STORE BUSINESS AFFILIATE

MAC and iOS VOICEOVER TRAINING AND SUPPORT




On Mar 22, 2017, at 10:22 PM, Mary Otten > wrote:

For all those of you who apparently don't bother to read the technical
press, the great majority of apples profit comes from the iPhone. It's
that simple. And for those of you who say I should try android, I
have. In fact, I own to android devices, a Nexus six and an axon seven
mini. Before that, I had a Nexus seven. I would love to find a device
that is cheaper than an iPhone that does as well for me as an iPhone,
because I am like everybody else in that I like to save money there
are things about the Apple system that I do not appreciate, one of
them being the fact that is rather a pain to transfer files to and
from an iPhone. On the other hand, as someone who has a Mac, I offer
you the observation that transferring files between android devices
and Mac is not a piece of cake. So, grass is not always greener on
that side of the fence either.
Also, the top-of-the-line android phones, such as those from Samsung
on the top in and the Google pixel are very comparable if not more
expensive than iPhones. As such, I would want those devices to be kept
up-to-date quickly for several years, as is the case with an iPhone.
My Nexus six which is I believe, the same vintage as an iPhone 6, has
yet to receive an update to the latest operating system. And it's not
going to get anymore. The iPhone 6 on the other hand, God it's update
right along with all other Apple iPhones. That is a huge drawback to
Android, and Google knows it. They're taking steps to fix it, but I
remain skeptical as to how successful they might be. I'm not saying
android is bad. And I 

Re: Apple Introduces Cheapest iPad Yet, Special Edition Red iPhone - Bloomberg

[Christopher Chaltain]

I can't understand how you say market share has nothing to do with 
Apple's profits. If they had no market share they wouldn't be selling 
any phones.


I'm not sure why we're arguing about Apple's profitability though. They 
are a very profitable company. I don't think this means they can ignore 
market share though or stop listening to their customers. I will say 
though that they must be doing a lot of things right, and they aren't 
going to stray from their core principles that made them the wealthiest 
company in the world.


On 22/03/17 21:22, Mary Otten wrote:

For all those of you who apparently don't bother to read the technical
press, the great majority of apples profit comes from the iPhone. It's
that simple. And for those of you who say I should try android, I have.
In fact, I own to android devices, a Nexus six and an axon seven mini.
Before that, I had a Nexus seven. I would love to find a device that is
cheaper than an iPhone that does as well for me as an iPhone, because I
am like everybody else in that I like to save money there are things
about the Apple system that I do not appreciate, one of them being the
fact that is rather a pain to transfer files to and from an iPhone. On
the other hand, as someone who has a Mac, I offer you the observation
that transferring files between android devices and Mac is not a piece
of cake. So, grass is not always greener on that side of the fence either.
Also, the top-of-the-line android phones, such as those from Samsung on
the top in and the Google pixel are very comparable if not more
expensive than iPhones. As such, I would want those devices to be kept
up-to-date quickly for several years, as is the case with an iPhone. My
Nexus six which is I believe, the same vintage as an iPhone 6, has yet
to receive an update to the latest operating system. And it's not going
to get anymore. The iPhone 6 on the other hand, God it's update right
along with all other Apple iPhones. That is a huge drawback to Android,
and Google knows it. They're taking steps to fix it, but I remain
skeptical as to how successful they might be. I'm not saying android is
bad. And I think it's great that there are phones in many price ranges.
But what I am saying is that it is a simple matter of provable fact as
acknowledge in the technical and financial press that Apple makes the
vast majority of profit in the smart phone industry. You can love it or
leave it but you can't change it. And marketshare has absolutely nothing
to do with it.


Sent from my iPhone

On Mar 22, 2017, at 6:51 PM, Pablo Cesar Morales > wrote:


Apple Introduces Cheapest iPad Yet, Special Edition Red iPhone - Bloomberg

Most don’t make profit?

How a company is going to be in business if they don’t male profit?

It doesn’t make sence. Yes, a lot of people is leaving IOs and are
moving to android. You should try it, is much better. However I should
recommend  that don’t buy a cheap android phone. Try to buy a nexus
6p, or a pixel phone. They are great.









*From:*viphone@googlegroups.com 
[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] *On Behalf Of *Mary Otten
*Sent:* Wednesday, March 22, 2017 4:59 PM
*To:* viphone@googlegroups.com 
*Subject:* Re: Apple Introduces Cheapest iPad Yet, Special Edition Red
iPhone - Bloomberg



Well, apparently not too many people are moving away. Apple is making
most of the money in this industry. There are many people who make
android devices. Most of them make no profit. Companies don't stay in
business forever if they don't make a profit.
Mary


Sent from my iPhone


On Mar 22, 2017, at 11:58 AM, Victor Gouveia
> wrote:

Hi Sieghard, while I can appreciate your issue regarding OS
reliability and phone integrity, the fact is people are moving
away from Apple devices for just that reason.  With the added
advances in the camera, both front and rear, pictures will get
larger, and I don’t even think there are phones available higher
than the five that have 16 gig memory, and even those devices are
pushing it.  When they introduced the enhanced camera in the
iPhone six, they realized that sixteen gigs just wouldn’t do if
people wanted to take pictures, I mean, I’m still amazed that
they’re still offering the 32 gig devices, especially in the iPad,
but again, this is just the smaller issue.  How many phones out
there are getting more and more waterproof and dust proof, and
they don’t seem to have a problem with an SD card slot, in
addition, the OS security could be plugged to avoid that sort of
thing.  Fact is, I think that Apple is guarding it’s closed
platform so people are forced to get their content from iTunes and
App store.  Open up the file system and you’re looking at an
easier way to jailbreak, and Apple couldn’t have that.

Re: Apple Introduces Cheapest iPad Yet, Special Edition Red iPhone - Bloomberg

[Christopher Chaltain]

This is just my opinion, but I've used both Apple and Android, and I 
find Android to be the better platform. I appreciate it's openness and 
customizability. I like the widget support it's had for years. I like 
the variety in form factors. Android does have trouble with 
fragmentation though, but I'm willing to put up with this for the 
benefits I perceive.


Apple is a great product and a great ecosystem. I used it for years 
before I thought Android accessibility had caught up enough to make the 
jump possible. I still use an iPhone for work.


I think either platform is great depending on what you're looking for 
and how you use your phone. I think choice is good, and I don't think 
people need to get defensive when talking about the brand they chose to 
use or put down the other options. I for one hope both platforms get 
better and more accessible.


On 22/03/17 20:56, John Panarese wrote:

  Actually, she’s right. Apple, by far, makes the greatest profits over
any other cell phone maker. It’s not even close. This information can be
found all over the place.

   As for your opinion on Android, it’s also completely off. iOS is a
much better and more intelligent platform than Android. I’ve used
Android and it was not impressive at all. And this was on a Google
device with a straight forward version of Android.



Take Care

John D. Panarese
Director
Mac for the Blind
Tel, (631) 724-4479
Email, j...@macfortheblind.com 
Website, http://www.macfortheblind.com

APPLE CERTIFIED SUPPORT PROFESSIONAL and Trainer

AUTHORIZED APPLE STORE BUSINESS AFFILIATE

MAC and iOS VOICEOVER TRAINING AND SUPPORT




On Mar 22, 2017, at 9:53 PM, Pablo Cesar Morales
> wrote:

Sorry, tbut it is not what I see in the industry. Apple makes a lot of
money with another products. Apple is not just making iPhones. So we
should use the same rule that you used with Samsung.


*From:* viphone@googlegroups.com
 [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] *On Behalf
Of *Mary Otten
*Sent:* Wednesday, March 22, 2017 5:16 PM
*To:* viphone@googlegroups.com 
*Subject:* Re: Apple Introduces Cheapest iPad Yet, Special Edition Red
iPhone - Bloomberg


Victor, every few months their articles coming out telling how much of
the phone market which company has in terms of profits. Year after
year, Apple makes the vast majority of profits in the phone market.
You might not like it. But it's true. There's a whole lot of the
technical press that is all over articles every time some company
gains a little bit of marketshare. Waymore phones have android on them
then there are iPhones. And that makes exactly no difference, because
the vast majority of the actual money being made is being made by
Apple on phones, not any of the other companies. Samsung makes a bunch
of money. They make some profit on phones. They also make a ton of
money in other industries. All those cheap phones that all those folks
are making our nonprofit producers. Again, you might not like it. It
might not be "fair". But that's how it is.

Mary


Sent from my iPhone


On Mar 22, 2017, at 2:10 PM, Victor Gouveia > wrote:


Mary, you can’t make blanket statements without looking it up first.

One cannot say that Apple is making most of the money in this
industry because Apple is only one company, whereas there are at
least seven or eight companies manufacturing cell phones that are not
Apple.  To say that Apple was making most of the money in this
industry is like saying that Coke is making most of the money in the
pop industry when there are so many other drinks available like
juices, soft drinks, milk, coffee, or tea.

Now if you were to say that Apple was making most of the money
compared to Samsung or even Sony would be more appropriate, but even
then your statement would be wrong as these two companies alone make
thousands of products Apple does not, so please, check your facts
before your tout them as facts.

Victor

*From:* Mary Otten
*Sent:* Wednesday, March 22, 2017 4:58 PM
*To:* viphone@googlegroups.com 
*Subject:* Re: Apple Introduces Cheapest iPad Yet, Special Edition
Red iPhone - Bloomberg


Well, apparently not too many people are moving away. Apple is making
most of the money in this industry. There are many people who make
android devices. Most of them make no profit. Companies don't stay in
business forever if they don't make a profit.
Mary


Sent from my iPhone


On Mar 22, 2017, at 11:58 AM, Victor Gouveia
> wrote:


Hi Sieghard, while I can appreciate your issue regarding OS
reliability and phone integrity, the fact is people are moving away
from Apple devices for just that reason.  With the added advances in
the camera, both front and rear, pictures will get larger, and I

Re: Apple Introduces Cheapest iPad Yet, Special Edition Red iPhone - Bloomberg

[John Panarese]

   I’m trying to find the article I recently read that demonstrates how vast 
the gap is between Apple profits and all of the Android handset makers. I 
believe Apple makes 33 percent on each iPhone, while the best Android handset 
maker makes about 15 percent. Most make under 8 percent, and that’s because 
they compete against each other and not just Apple.

   As for market share, no, it has nothing to do with a true comparison to 
Apple  because of the way sales are calculated. I never buy into the market 
share numbers. The reality is that Apple counts only product sold to the 
consumer as sales. So, when they say they sold X million iPhones, that’s the 
number sold directly to consumers.

Like Microsoft, Android handset makers use the principle of counting 
product shipped to stores as sales. So, 1 million items could be sold to a 
store chain, but even though 75 are sitting on shelves, it’s still a 
million products sold in their books. Also, whenever you hear those offers AT 
and Verizon have where you buy one Android phone, you can get another free, 
guess what? Those are counted as sales too. I’d love to see actual numbers in 
which product actually sold to consumers are used.

   As for Android, I’ve pointed this out a number of times. Instead of wasting 
time explaining the fractured state of the Android echostyem and the 8 or so 
active versions of Android that no one even knows happens to be the latest 
version, the simple statistic of the reality that 92 percent of Apple devices 
are running iOS 10.X, while only 0.2 percent of Android devices are running the 
latest version of Android. That says it all about the state of Android.

  Lastly, again, I will try to find the article, but in reality, unlike the 
previous claim, the marketing data actually illustrates that people are jumping 
ship from Android to iPhones. In fact, the iPhone 6S still out sold Samsung’s 
flagship phone last year, and this was after the release of the iPhone 7. Once 
more, the number of folks going to iPhone  isn’t even by a small number either. 
If I have the time, I’ll post the links, but an internet search can probably 
locate them.

Take Care

John D. Panarese
Director
Mac for the Blind
Tel, (631) 724-4479
Email, j...@macfortheblind.com
Website, http://www.macfortheblind.com

APPLE CERTIFIED SUPPORT PROFESSIONAL and Trainer

AUTHORIZED APPLE STORE BUSINESS AFFILIATE

MAC and iOS VOICEOVER TRAINING AND SUPPORT



> On Mar 22, 2017, at 10:22 PM, Mary Otten  wrote:
> 
> For all those of you who apparently don't bother to read the technical press, 
> the great majority of apples profit comes from the iPhone. It's that simple. 
> And for those of you who say I should try android, I have. In fact, I own to 
> android devices, a Nexus six and an axon seven mini. Before that, I had a 
> Nexus seven. I would love to find a device that is cheaper than an iPhone 
> that does as well for me as an iPhone, because I am like everybody else in 
> that I like to save money there are things about the Apple system that I do 
> not appreciate, one of them being the fact that is rather a pain to transfer 
> files to and from an iPhone. On the other hand, as someone who has a Mac, I 
> offer you the observation that transferring files between android devices and 
> Mac is not a piece of cake. So, grass is not always greener on that side of 
> the fence either.
> Also, the top-of-the-line android phones, such as those from Samsung on the 
> top in and the Google pixel are very comparable if not more expensive than 
> iPhones. As such, I would want those devices to be kept up-to-date quickly 
> for several years, as is the case with an iPhone. My Nexus six which is I 
> believe, the same vintage as an iPhone 6, has yet to receive an update to the 
> latest operating system. And it's not going to get anymore. The iPhone 6 on 
> the other hand, God it's update right along with all other Apple iPhones. 
> That is a huge drawback to Android, and Google knows it. They're taking steps 
> to fix it, but I remain skeptical as to how successful they might be. I'm not 
> saying android is bad. And I think it's great that there are phones in many 
> price ranges. But what I am saying is that it is a simple matter of provable 
> fact as acknowledge in the technical and financial press that Apple makes the 
> vast majority of profit in the smart phone industry. You can love it or leave 
> it but you can't change it. And marketshare has absolutely nothing to do with 
> it.
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> On Mar 22, 2017, at 6:51 PM, Pablo Cesar Morales  > wrote:
> 
>> Most don’t make profit?
>> How a company is going to be in business if they don’t male profit?
>> It doesn’t make sence. Yes, a lot of people is leaving IOs and are moving to 
>> android. You should try it, is much better. However I should recommend  that 
>> don’t buy a cheap android phone. Try to buy 

Re: Apple Introduces Cheapest iPad Yet, Special Edition Red iPhone - Bloomberg

[Mary Otten]

For all those of you who apparently don't bother to read the technical press, 
the great majority of apples profit comes from the iPhone. It's that simple. 
And for those of you who say I should try android, I have. In fact, I own to 
android devices, a Nexus six and an axon seven mini. Before that, I had a Nexus 
seven. I would love to find a device that is cheaper than an iPhone that does 
as well for me as an iPhone, because I am like everybody else in that I like to 
save money there are things about the Apple system that I do not appreciate, 
one of them being the fact that is rather a pain to transfer files to and from 
an iPhone. On the other hand, as someone who has a Mac, I offer you the 
observation that transferring files between android devices and Mac is not a 
piece of cake. So, grass is not always greener on that side of the fence either.
Also, the top-of-the-line android phones, such as those from Samsung on the top 
in and the Google pixel are very comparable if not more expensive than iPhones. 
As such, I would want those devices to be kept up-to-date quickly for several 
years, as is the case with an iPhone. My Nexus six which is I believe, the same 
vintage as an iPhone 6, has yet to receive an update to the latest operating 
system. And it's not going to get anymore. The iPhone 6 on the other hand, God 
it's update right along with all other Apple iPhones. That is a huge drawback 
to Android, and Google knows it. They're taking steps to fix it, but I remain 
skeptical as to how successful they might be. I'm not saying android is bad. 
And I think it's great that there are phones in many price ranges. But what I 
am saying is that it is a simple matter of provable fact as acknowledge in the 
technical and financial press that Apple makes the vast majority of profit in 
the smart phone industry. You can love it or leave it but you can't change it. 
And marketshare has absolutely nothing to do with it.


Sent from my iPhone

> On Mar 22, 2017, at 6:51 PM, Pablo Cesar Morales  
> wrote:
> 
> Most don’t make profit?
> How a company is going to be in business if they don’t male profit?
> It doesn’t make sence. Yes, a lot of people is leaving IOs and are moving to 
> android. You should try it, is much better. However I should recommend  that 
> don’t buy a cheap android phone. Try to buy a nexus 6p, or a pixel phone. 
> They are great.
>  
>  
>  
>  
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
> Mary Otten
> Sent: Wednesday, March 22, 2017 4:59 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Apple Introduces Cheapest iPad Yet, Special Edition Red iPhone - 
> Bloomberg
>  
> Well, apparently not too many people are moving away. Apple is making most of 
> the money in this industry. There are many people who make android devices. 
> Most of them make no profit. Companies don't stay in business forever if they 
> don't make a profit.
> Mary
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> On Mar 22, 2017, at 11:58 AM, Victor Gouveia  
> wrote:
> 
> Hi Sieghard, while I can appreciate your issue regarding OS reliability and 
> phone integrity, the fact is people are moving away from Apple devices for 
> just that reason.  With the added advances in the camera, both front and 
> rear, pictures will get larger, and I don’t even think there are phones 
> available higher than the five that have 16 gig memory, and even those 
> devices are pushing it.  When they introduced the enhanced camera in the 
> iPhone six, they realized that sixteen gigs just wouldn’t do if people wanted 
> to take pictures, I mean, I’m still amazed that they’re still offering the 32 
> gig devices, especially in the iPad, but again, this is just the smaller 
> issue.  How many phones out there are getting more and more waterproof and 
> dust proof, and they don’t seem to have a problem with an SD card slot, in 
> addition, the OS security could be plugged to avoid that sort of thing.  Fact 
> is, I think that Apple is guarding it’s closed platform so people are forced 
> to get their content from iTunes and App store.  Open up the file system and 
> you’re looking at an easier way to jailbreak, and Apple couldn’t have that.  
> Regardless, I do think that Apple should open their eyes when it comes to 
> expansion, if only to make it easier to connect to a portable solution, lest 
> they get left out in the cold when the Android devices that allow for 
> expansion come rumbling in.  Just a thought.
>  
> Victor
>  
> From: Sieghard Weitzel
> Sent: Tuesday, March 21, 2017 11:47 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: Apple Introduces Cheapest iPad Yet, Special Edition Red iPhone - 
> Bloomberg
>  
> Hi Victor,
>  
> I am not sure if Apple could keep their walled garden concept and offer SD 
> card expansion slots. If you allow people to introduce media on an SD card 
> then the OS must have access to the folders or maybe it would be more 
> 

Re: File Browser and Tonido accessing external drives linked to a PC

[Carla Savage]

Hi All, 
I've been having a play with File Browser. If you want to connect to your pc, 
then it will ask for your name. So, in my case my username on my PC was Carla. 
The password is the password you use to log into your PC. All works great and I 
find it a really useful App. I have now also managed to connect to an external 
drive. Just need to share permissions and then double tap the letter of the 
drive when you connect to your PC as it will show up after successful 
connection. 
Hope this helps,
Carla. 


Sent from my iPhone

> On 10 Mar 2017, at 2:10 pm, Carla Savage  wrote:
> 
> Hi John, 
> That's great. You didn't confuse me. Can you upload a folder with MP3's in 
> it? I'm guessing probably not but just curious.
> Thanks, 
> Carla.
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On 10 Mar 2017, at 7:10 am,   wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Karla, when you get access to your files with file browser, you
>> highlite  the file you want to put up on whatsapp, and swipe once to the
>> right to menu.  Double tap on menu, and choose Share this file, and
>> double tap their.  You will see Open in different programs, but you want
>> to look for simply whatsapp.  You may  have to go to more, and look for
>> whatsapp, and toggal it on.  When you double tap on whatsapp, you will be
>> taken in to whatsapp, and see all of your chats.  Double tap on the one
>> you want to put the file in, and double tap on Send.  You will see the
>> file size and such, at that point, double tap on Send again, and your
>> file will start uploading.  Hope I haven't confused you to much!  GRIN!
>> 
>> Have a good one:
>> John
>> 
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Re: Apple Introduces Cheapest iPad Yet, Special Edition Red iPhone - Bloomberg

[John Panarese]

  Actually, she’s right. Apple, by far, makes the greatest profits over any 
other cell phone maker. It’s not even close. This information can be found all 
over the place.

   As for your opinion on Android, it’s also completely off. iOS is a much 
better and more intelligent platform than Android. I’ve used Android and it was 
not impressive at all. And this was on a Google device with a straight forward 
version of Android. 

   

Take Care

John D. Panarese
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> On Mar 22, 2017, at 9:53 PM, Pablo Cesar Morales  
> wrote:
> 
> Sorry, tbut it is not what I see in the industry. Apple makes a lot of money 
> with another products. Apple is not just making iPhones. So we should use the 
> same rule that you used with Samsung.
>  
>  
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  
> [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com ] On Behalf 
> Of Mary Otten
> Sent: Wednesday, March 22, 2017 5:16 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
> Subject: Re: Apple Introduces Cheapest iPad Yet, Special Edition Red iPhone - 
> Bloomberg
>  
> Victor, every few months their articles coming out telling how much of the 
> phone market which company has in terms of profits. Year after year, Apple 
> makes the vast majority of profits in the phone market. You might not like 
> it. But it's true. There's a whole lot of the technical press that is all 
> over articles every time some company gains a little bit of marketshare. 
> Waymore phones have android on them then there are iPhones. And that makes 
> exactly no difference, because the vast majority of the actual money being 
> made is being made by Apple on phones, not any of the other companies. 
> Samsung makes a bunch of money. They make some profit on phones. They also 
> make a ton of money in other industries. All those cheap phones that all 
> those folks are making our nonprofit producers. Again, you might not like it. 
> It might not be "fair". But that's how it is.
> 
> Mary
> 
>  
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> On Mar 22, 2017, at 2:10 PM, Victor Gouveia  > wrote:
> 
>> Mary, you can’t make blanket statements without looking it up first.
>>  
>> One cannot say that Apple is making most of the money in this industry 
>> because Apple is only one company, whereas there are at least seven or eight 
>> companies manufacturing cell phones that are not Apple.  To say that Apple 
>> was making most of the money in this industry is like saying that Coke is 
>> making most of the money in the pop industry when there are so many other 
>> drinks available like juices, soft drinks, milk, coffee, or tea.
>>  
>> Now if you were to say that Apple was making most of the money compared to 
>> Samsung or even Sony would be more appropriate, but even then your statement 
>> would be wrong as these two companies alone make thousands of products Apple 
>> does not, so please, check your facts before your tout them as facts.
>>  
>> Victor
>>  
>> From: Mary Otten 
>> Sent: Wednesday, March 22, 2017 4:58 PM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
>> Subject: Re: Apple Introduces Cheapest iPad Yet, Special Edition Red iPhone 
>> - Bloomberg
>>  
>> Well, apparently not too many people are moving away. Apple is making most 
>> of the money in this industry. There are many people who make android 
>> devices. Most of them make no profit. Companies don't stay in business 
>> forever if they don't make a profit.
>> Mary
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>> On Mar 22, 2017, at 11:58 AM, Victor Gouveia > > wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi Sieghard, while I can appreciate your issue regarding OS reliability and 
>>> phone integrity, the fact is people are moving away from Apple devices for 
>>> just that reason.  With the added advances in the camera, both front and 
>>> rear, pictures will get larger, and I don’t even think there are phones 
>>> available higher than the five that have 16 gig memory, and even those 
>>> devices are pushing it.  When they introduced the enhanced camera in the 
>>> iPhone six, they realized that sixteen gigs just wouldn’t do if people 
>>> wanted to take pictures, I mean, I’m still amazed that they’re still 
>>> offering the 32 gig devices, especially in the iPad, but again, this is 
>>> just the smaller issue.  How many phones out there are getting more and 
>>> more waterproof and dust proof, and they don’t seem to have a problem with 
>>> an SD card slot, in addition, the OS security could be plugged to avoid 
>>> that sort of thing.  Fact is, I think that Apple is guarding it’s 

RE: Apple Introduces Cheapest iPad Yet, Special Edition Red iPhone - Bloomberg

[Pablo Cesar Morales]

Sorry, tbut it is not what I see in the industry. Apple makes a lot of money 
with another products. Apple is not just making iPhones. So we should use the 
same rule that you used with Samsung.

 

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Mary Otten
Sent: Wednesday, March 22, 2017 5:16 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Apple Introduces Cheapest iPad Yet, Special Edition Red iPhone - 
Bloomberg

 

Victor, every few months their articles coming out telling how much of the 
phone market which company has in terms of profits. Year after year, Apple 
makes the vast majority of profits in the phone market. You might not like it. 
But it's true. There's a whole lot of the technical press that is all over 
articles every time some company gains a little bit of marketshare. Waymore 
phones have android on them then there are iPhones. And that makes exactly no 
difference, because the vast majority of the actual money being made is being 
made by Apple on phones, not any of the other companies. Samsung makes a bunch 
of money. They make some profit on phones. They also make a ton of money in 
other industries. All those cheap phones that all those folks are making our 
nonprofit producers. Again, you might not like it. It might not be "fair". But 
that's how it is.

Mary

 

Sent from my iPhone


On Mar 22, 2017, at 2:10 PM, Victor Gouveia  > wrote:

Mary, you can’t make blanket statements without looking it up first.

 

One cannot say that Apple is making most of the money in this industry because 
Apple is only one company, whereas there are at least seven or eight companies 
manufacturing cell phones that are not Apple.  To say that Apple was making 
most of the money in this industry is like saying that Coke is making most of 
the money in the pop industry when there are so many other drinks available 
like juices, soft drinks, milk, coffee, or tea.

 

Now if you were to say that Apple was making most of the money compared to 
Samsung or even Sony would be more appropriate, but even then your statement 
would be wrong as these two companies alone make thousands of products Apple 
does not, so please, check your facts before your tout them as facts.

 

Victor

 

From: Mary Otten 

Sent: Wednesday, March 22, 2017 4:58 PM

To: viphone@googlegroups.com   

Subject: Re: Apple Introduces Cheapest iPad Yet, Special Edition Red iPhone - 
Bloomberg

 

Well, apparently not too many people are moving away. Apple is making most of 
the money in this industry. There are many people who make android devices. 
Most of them make no profit. Companies don't stay in business forever if they 
don't make a profit.
Mary


Sent from my iPhone


On Mar 22, 2017, at 11:58 AM, Victor Gouveia  > wrote:

Hi Sieghard, while I can appreciate your issue regarding OS reliability and 
phone integrity, the fact is people are moving away from Apple devices for just 
that reason.  With the added advances in the camera, both front and rear, 
pictures will get larger, and I don’t even think there are phones available 
higher than the five that have 16 gig memory, and even those devices are 
pushing it.  When they introduced the enhanced camera in the iPhone six, they 
realized that sixteen gigs just wouldn’t do if people wanted to take pictures, 
I mean, I’m still amazed that they’re still offering the 32 gig devices, 
especially in the iPad, but again, this is just the smaller issue.  How many 
phones out there are getting more and more waterproof and dust proof, and they 
don’t seem to have a problem with an SD card slot, in addition, the OS security 
could be plugged to avoid that sort of thing.  Fact is, I think that Apple is 
guarding it’s closed platform so people are forced to get their content from 
iTunes and App store.  Open up the file system and you’re looking at an easier 
way to jailbreak, and Apple couldn’t have that  Regardless, I do think that 
Apple should open their eyes when it comes to expansion, if only to make it 
easier to connect to a portable solution, lest they get left out in the cold 
when the Android devices that allow for expansion come rumbling in.  Just a 
thought.

 

Victor

 

From: Sieghard Weitzel 

Sent: Tuesday, March 21, 2017 11:47 PM

To: viphone@googlegroups.com   

Subject: RE: Apple Introduces Cheapest iPad Yet, Special Edition Red iPhone - 
Bloomberg

 

Hi Victor,

 

I am not sure if Apple could keep their walled garden concept and offer SD card 
expansion slots. If you allow people to introduce media on an SD card then the 
OS must have access to the folders or maybe it would be more accurate to say 
that Apple would have to give users access to what is on the SD card and that 
would possibly defeat the purpose of the closed nature of the platform. Any SD 

RE: Apple Introduces Cheapest iPad Yet, Special Edition Red iPhone - Bloomberg

[Pablo Cesar Morales]

Most don’t make profit?

How a company is going to be in business if they don’t male profit?

It doesn’t make sence. Yes, a lot of people is leaving IOs and are moving to 
android. You should try it, is much better. However I should recommend  that 
don’t buy a cheap android phone. Try to buy a nexus 6p, or a pixel phone. They 
are great.

 

 

 

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Mary Otten
Sent: Wednesday, March 22, 2017 4:59 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Apple Introduces Cheapest iPad Yet, Special Edition Red iPhone - 
Bloomberg

 

Well, apparently not too many people are moving away. Apple is making most of 
the money in this industry. There are many people who make android devices. 
Most of them make no profit. Companies don't stay in business forever if they 
don't make a profit.
Mary


Sent from my iPhone


On Mar 22, 2017, at 11:58 AM, Victor Gouveia  > wrote:

Hi Sieghard, while I can appreciate your issue regarding OS reliability and 
phone integrity, the fact is people are moving away from Apple devices for just 
that reason.  With the added advances in the camera, both front and rear, 
pictures will get larger, and I don’t even think there are phones available 
higher than the five that have 16 gig memory, and even those devices are 
pushing it.  When they introduced the enhanced camera in the iPhone six, they 
realized that sixteen gigs just wouldn’t do if people wanted to take pictures, 
I mean, I’m still amazed that they’re still offering the 32 gig devices, 
especially in the iPad, but again, this is just the smaller issue.  How many 
phones out there are getting more and more waterproof and dust proof, and they 
don’t seem to have a problem with an SD card slot, in addition, the OS security 
could be plugged to avoid that sort of thing.  Fact is, I think that Apple is 
guarding it’s closed platform so people are forced to get their content from 
iTunes and App store.  Open up the file system and you’re looking at an easier 
way to jailbreak, and Apple couldn’t have that.  Regardless, I do think that 
Apple should open their eyes when it comes to expansion, if only to make it 
easier to connect to a portable solution, lest they get left out in the cold 
when the Android devices that allow for expansion come rumbling in.  Just a 
thought.

 

Victor

 

From: Sieghard Weitzel 

Sent: Tuesday, March 21, 2017 11:47 PM

To: viphone@googlegroups.com   

Subject: RE: Apple Introduces Cheapest iPad Yet, Special Edition Red iPhone - 
Bloomberg

 

Hi Victor,

 

I am not sure if Apple could keep their walled garden concept and offer SD card 
expansion slots. If you allow people to introduce media on an SD card then the 
OS must have access to the folders or maybe it would be more accurate to say 
that Apple would have to give users access to what is on the SD card and that 
would possibly defeat the purpose of the closed nature of the platform. Any SD 
card, even the newest and fastest, would also introduce a lot of latency in how 
fast things get loaded and I think this all goes against what Apple wants to 
achieve. I think actually that even some high-end Android phones are moving 
away from that, but I might be wrong, just something I heard. Does the Google 
Pixel for example have an SD card slot? Lastly, having such an expansion slot 
on an iPad is one thing because there is probably plenty of space, but having 
it on an iPhone is most likely not very practical as there hardly is any space 
left as is and of course making a highly waterproof or water resistant device 
would probably be much more difficult if the device had an SD card slot 
Personally I have no problem with Apple offering internal memory, I totally 
agree that nowadays 16 Gb doesn’t get you far, but I wonder how many people 
still buy 16 Gb devices if they can get a 64 Gb device (4 times the space) for 
$100 more.

 

Regards,

Sieghard

 



From: viphone@googlegroups.com   
[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Victor Gouveia
Sent: Tuesday, March 21, 2017 7:56 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com  
Subject: Re: Apple Introduces Cheapest iPad Yet, Special Edition Red iPhone - 
Bloomberg

 

I don’t agree.  Granted, the 300 dollar price tag is nice, but not with the 
memory it’s offering.

 

I think the 32 and 16 models of any device is outdated, unless it’s got an 
expansion slot for an SD card.

 

Frankly, I’m completely surprised that Apple hasn’t embraced this concept, 
since it would enable them to lower the amount of ROM memory on the device, and 
allow people to expand according to their budget.  Alas, it would seem that 
Apple is destined not to ever get the message.  

 

Victor

 

From: Mr. Ed 

Sent: Tuesday, March 21, 2017 10:40 PM

To: viphone@googlegroups.com 

RE: Apple Introduces Cheapest iPad Yet, Special Edition Red iPhone - Bloomberg

[Pablo Cesar Morales]

No, I am not saying that apple is doing something wrong. The Customers are who 
are doing wrong here. Today accessibility is much better on android devices 
than on IOs. I have an iPhone, and I have a pixel phone. I leave my iPhone 
every day at home, and I take my pixel. I have a lot of freedom using a pixel 
phone, and I love freedom. It is something that I was missing when I was an 
iPhone user.

I am able to install apps in my pixel sitting on my computer using internet 
explorer. I just go to the google play store, I search for what ever app, and I 
press enter on install. That is it. The app is installed automaticly in my 
pixel phone. More over, if I have my pixel phone not with me. Because I forgot 
my phone in my office. I am able to install apps, or remove apps from my home, 
just using a regular browser. Not iTunes.

If I want to put music in my phone, I just connect my phone, and with copy and 
paste, I am able to transfer what ever music or video from my computer to my 
phone, not need to use iTunes for that.

If I want to install apps that are not in the play store, I don’t need to do 
what apple users has to do. I just enable third parties apps in my phone and it 
is it.

I have eloquence install in my pixel, the same voice that is using jaws. I like 
this voice, it is easier to understand.

I have found better accessibility in a lot of apps that in IOs just doesn’t 
exist or is very low.

Android is a platform that is use a lot outside the United States. In United 
States exist the idea that if you are an android user, it is because you are 
poor, and if you have an iPhone, then it is because you are nice. Stupid ideas 
that we developed from those days when iPhones used to be more expensive than 
android phones. Yes is true that android wasn’t that good before, but today I 
am an iPhone and android user. I like better android for many many reasons.

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Alan Lemly
Sent: Wednesday, March 22, 2017 4:11 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Apple Introduces Cheapest iPad Yet, Special Edition Red iPhone - 
Bloomberg

 

Pablo,

 

I'm not sure why you think it's wrong for a for-profit company like Apple to 
want to make money on their products. I guarantee you that any company not 
operating in this fashion won't be long of this world. And you speak of Android 
as if it's one company instead of the multitude of companies that make devices 
that run under Android. If you don't like Apple's closed file system which 
seems to be working pretty well for them based on their sales and current stock 
price, you should use an Android device and I hope it meets all your needs. 
That's the way supply and demand is supposed to work in our economic system.

 

Alan Lemly

 

From:   viphone@googlegroups.com [ 
 mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Pablo Cesar Morales
Sent: Wednesday, March 22, 2017 12:30 PM
To:   viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Apple Introduces Cheapest iPad Yet, Special Edition Red iPhone - 
Bloomberg

 

Pixel doesn’t have a sd card slot, but it is not the only android device. 
Samsung and many other big cellphone brands creates phones with sd cards. 

Really the problem with apple is that they want to make money with everything, 
and they want to handle what you place in your iPhone memory. With the story 
abour copy rights they have done very difficult for users manage music between 
iPhones, or also between iPhone and other devices. Yes, we can use iTunes to 
transfer music to our iPhones, but use this app is really difficult for 
standard users. More over in android devices you can store there documents of 
all types, you can create folders and subfolders in the same way how we do in 
our computers. In iPhones the story is different. It is one of the reasons why 
I bought an android device. Android and IOs have different politics and 
different cultures. Apple’s culture is money, money and more money. Android’s 
culture is share, share and share again. Apple wants to control so much what we 
do in our devices. Android gives freedom to do what ever you want, and more 
important, in a very easy way.

 

 

From:   viphone@googlegroups.com [ 
 mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Tuesday, March 21, 2017 8:48 PM
To:   viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Apple Introduces Cheapest iPad Yet, Special Edition Red iPhone - 
Bloomberg

 

Hi Victor,

 

I am not sure if Apple could keep their walled garden concept and offer SD card 
expansion slots. If you allow people to introduce media on an SD card then the 
OS must have access to the folders or maybe it would be more accurate to say 
that Apple would have to give users access to what is on the SD card and that 

Re: Apple Introduces Cheapest iPad Yet, Special Edition Red iPhone - Bloomberg

[Victor Gouveia]

Apple Introduces Cheapest iPad Yet, Special Edition Red iPhone - 
BloombergAnthony, I did nothing of the sort.

I simply asked her to qualify her statement with some sort of reference.  As 
you may or may not have seen, her subsequent message clarified she was 
referring to one company versus another, not the industry as a whole.  We are 
simply waiting for her to tell me whether I misunderstood her message or not.

Victor

From: Anthony Vece 
Sent: Wednesday, March 22, 2017 5:55 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
Subject: Re: Apple Introduces Cheapest iPad Yet, Special Edition Red iPhone - 
Bloomberg

You made it look like she didn't know what she was talking about.


Sent from my Verizon iPhone 7!!!

On Mar 22, 2017, at 5:48 PM, Victor Gouveia  wrote:


  Anthony, I’m sorry, what did I do wrong except contradict someone’s opinion 
and clear up some confusion that may have been made that misunderstood my 
words.  Should I have let it go, and let her keep stating a fact that is not a 
fact?

  I’m not sure what I did wrong here.

  Victor

  From: Anthony Vece 
  Sent: Wednesday, March 22, 2017 5:36 PM
  To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
  Subject: Re: Apple Introduces Cheapest iPad Yet, Special Edition Red iPhone - 
Bloomberg

  Hey Victor;

  I'm Mary is speaking from knowledge that is credible.
  Leave her alone.
  Anthony


  Sent from my Verizon iPhone 7!!!

  On Mar 22, 2017, at 5:10 PM, Victor Gouveia  wrote:


Mary, you can’t make blanket statements without looking it up first.

One cannot say that Apple is making most of the money in this industry 
because Apple is only one company, whereas there are at least seven or eight 
companies manufacturing cell phones that are not Apple.  To say that Apple was 
making most of the money in this industry is like saying that Coke is making 
most of the money in the pop industry when there are so many other drinks 
available like juices, soft drinks, milk, coffee, or tea.

Now if you were to say that Apple was making most of the money compared to 
Samsung or even Sony would be more appropriate, but even then your statement 
would be wrong as these two companies alone make thousands of products Apple 
does not, so please, check your facts before your tout them as facts.

Victor

From: Mary Otten 
Sent: Wednesday, March 22, 2017 4:58 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
Subject: Re: Apple Introduces Cheapest iPad Yet, Special Edition Red iPhone 
- Bloomberg

Well, apparently not too many people are moving away. Apple is making most 
of the money in this industry. There are many people who make android devices. 
Most of them make no profit. Companies don't stay in business forever if they 
don't make a profit.
Mary



Sent from my iPhone

On Mar 22, 2017, at 11:58 AM, Victor Gouveia  
wrote:


  Hi Sieghard, while I can appreciate your issue regarding OS reliability 
and phone integrity, the fact is people are moving away from Apple devices for 
just that reason.  With the added advances in the camera, both front and rear, 
pictures will get larger, and I don’t even think there are phones available 
higher than the five that have 16 gig memory, and even those devices are 
pushing it.  When they introduced the enhanced camera in the iPhone six, they 
realized that sixteen gigs just wouldn’t do if people wanted to take pictures, 
I mean, I’m still amazed that they’re still offering the 32 gig devices, 
especially in the iPad, but again, this is just the smaller issue.  How many 
phones out there are getting more and more waterproof and dust proof, and they 
don’t seem to have a problem with an SD card slot, in addition, the OS security 
could be plugged to avoid that sort of thing.  Fact is, I think that Apple is 
guarding it’s closed platform so people are forced to get their content from 
iTunes and App store.  Open up the file system and you’re looking at an easier 
way to jailbreak, and Apple couldn’t have that  Regardless, I do think that 
Apple should open their eyes when it comes to expansion, if only to make it 
easier to connect to a portable solution, lest they get left out in the cold 
when the Android devices that allow for expansion come rumbling in.  Just a 
thought.

  Victor

  From: Sieghard Weitzel 
  Sent: Tuesday, March 21, 2017 11:47 PM
  To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
  Subject: RE: Apple Introduces Cheapest iPad Yet, Special Edition Red 
iPhone - Bloomberg

  Hi Victor,

   

  I am not sure if Apple could keep their walled garden concept and offer 
SD card expansion slots. If you allow people to introduce media on an SD card 
then the OS must have access to the folders or maybe it would be more accurate 
to say that Apple would have to give users access to what is on the SD card and 
that would possibly defeat the purpose of the closed nature of the platform. 
Any SD card, even the newest 

Re: Apple Introduces Cheapest iPad Yet, Special Edition Red iPhone - Bloomberg

[Victor Gouveia]

Apple Introduces Cheapest iPad Yet, Special Edition Red iPhone - BloombergThis 
is not the statement you made at the offset.  In the below, you’re comparing 
Apple products to Samsung products, and in this statement, I agree with you,  
but in your first statement, you were comparing Apple products to the number of 
devices currently on the market, unless I misunderstood your initial post.

Please correct me if I’m wrong.  Like I said, I agree wholeheartedly with your 
below statement, but this is not the statement you made  to the list before.

Victor

From: Mary Otten 
Sent: Wednesday, March 22, 2017 6:00 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
Subject: Re: Apple Introduces Cheapest iPad Yet, Special Edition Red iPhone - 
Bloomberg

Sorry, Victor. I am not confused. I know the difference between profit and 
market share. One, profit, is relevant if you're a business. Two, marketshare, 
is not relevant at all if you're not making any money. You will go out of 
business if you do not make money. Eventually, whoever is subsidizing all of 
your losses will get tired of it, and you will go away. It's that simple. If 
you get complacent, then you won't be selling as many hi profit margin 
products, and then you have a problem. But since I just saw an article that 
talked about how the-year-old iPhone 6s sold more than Samsung's top two phones 
of last year, the S7 and S7 edge, I don't think Apple has anything to worry 
about in the complacency department.
Mary


Mary



Sent from my iPhone

On Mar 22, 2017, at 2:33 PM, Victor Gouveia  wrote:


  Mary, I think you’re getting confused with profits and market share, or sales.

  What I mean to say is that in terms of pricing and how much money Apple makes 
cannot be denied, but they are a low percentage of the share of the cell phone 
market, and this has nothing to do with whether I like the news or not, if you 
came to me and proved to me that your blanket statement was correct, I would 
humbly apologize, and stand corrected, however, the fact is, in market share, 
there are too many cell phones out there for Apple to even corner the market or 
even the entire cell phone market.  I’m sorry if I confused you.

  Victor

  From: Mary Otten 
  Sent: Wednesday, March 22, 2017 5:16 PM
  To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
  Subject: Re: Apple Introduces Cheapest iPad Yet, Special Edition Red iPhone - 
Bloomberg

  Victor, every few months their articles coming out telling how much of the 
phone market which company has in terms of profits. Year after year, Apple 
makes the vast majority of profits in the phone market. You might not like it. 
But it's true. There's a whole lot of the technical press that is all over 
articles every time some company gains a little bit of marketshare. Waymore 
phones have android on them then there are iPhones. And that makes exactly no 
difference, because the vast majority of the actual money being made is being 
made by Apple on phones, not any of the other companies. Samsung makes a bunch 
of money. They make some profit on phones. They also make a ton of money in 
other industries. All those cheap phones that all those folks are making our 
nonprofit producers. Again, you might not like it. It might not be "fair". But 
that's how it is.


  Mary



  Sent from my iPhone

  On Mar 22, 2017, at 2:10 PM, Victor Gouveia  wrote:


Mary, you can’t make blanket statements without looking it up first.

One cannot say that Apple is making most of the money in this industry 
because Apple is only one company, whereas there are at least seven or eight 
companies manufacturing cell phones that are not Apple.  To say that Apple was 
making most of the money in this industry is like saying that Coke is making 
most of the money in the pop industry when there are so many other drinks 
available like juices, soft drinks, milk, coffee, or tea.

Now if you were to say that Apple was making most of the money compared to 
Samsung or even Sony would be more appropriate, but even then your statement 
would be wrong as these two companies alone make thousands of products Apple 
does not, so please, check your facts before your tout them as facts.

Victor

From: Mary Otten 
Sent: Wednesday, March 22, 2017 4:58 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
Subject: Re: Apple Introduces Cheapest iPad Yet, Special Edition Red iPhone 
- Bloomberg

Well, apparently not too many people are moving away. Apple is making most 
of the money in this industry. There are many people who make android devices. 
Most of them make no profit. Companies don't stay in business forever if they 
don't make a profit.
Mary



Sent from my iPhone

On Mar 22, 2017, at 11:58 AM, Victor Gouveia  
wrote:


  Hi Sieghard, while I can appreciate your issue regarding OS reliability 
and phone integrity, the fact is people are moving away from Apple devices for 
just that reason. 

Re: Apple Introduces Cheapest iPad Yet, Special Edition Red iPhone - Bloomberg

[Mary Otten]

Sorry, Victor. I am not confused. I know the difference between profit and 
market share. One, profit, is relevant if you're a business. Two, marketshare, 
is not relevant at all if you're not making any money. You will go out of 
business if you do not make money. Eventually, whoever is subsidizing all of 
your losses will get tired of it, and you will go away. It's that simple. If 
you get complacent, then you won't be selling as many hi profit margin 
products, and then you have a problem. But since I just saw an article that 
talked about how the-year-old iPhone 6s sold more than Samsung's top two phones 
of last year, the S7 and S7 edge, I don't think Apple has anything to worry 
about in the complacency department.
Mary

Mary


Sent from my iPhone

> On Mar 22, 2017, at 2:33 PM, Victor Gouveia  wrote:
> 
> Mary, I think you’re getting confused with profits and market share, or sales.
>  
> What I mean to say is that in terms of pricing and how much money Apple makes 
> cannot be denied, but they are a low percentage of the share of the cell 
> phone market, and this has nothing to do with whether I like the news or not, 
> if you came to me and proved to me that your blanket statement was correct, I 
> would humbly apologize, and stand corrected, however, the fact is, in market 
> share, there are too many cell phones out there for Apple to even corner the 
> market or even the entire cell phone market.  I’m sorry if I confused you.
>  
> Victor
>  
> From: Mary Otten
> Sent: Wednesday, March 22, 2017 5:16 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Apple Introduces Cheapest iPad Yet, Special Edition Red iPhone - 
> Bloomberg
>  
> Victor, every few months their articles coming out telling how much of the 
> phone market which company has in terms of profits. Year after year, Apple 
> makes the vast majority of profits in the phone market. You might not like 
> it. But it's true. There's a whole lot of the technical press that is all 
> over articles every time some company gains a little bit of marketshare. 
> Waymore phones have android on them then there are iPhones. And that makes 
> exactly no difference, because the vast majority of the actual money being 
> made is being made by Apple on phones, not any of the other companies. 
> Samsung makes a bunch of money. They make some profit on phones. They also 
> make a ton of money in other industries. All those cheap phones that all 
> those folks are making our nonprofit producers. Again, you might not like it. 
> It might not be "fair". But that's how it is.
> 
> Mary
> 
>  
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Mar 22, 2017, at 2:10 PM, Victor Gouveia  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Mary, you can’t make blanket statements without looking it up first.
>>  
>> One cannot say that Apple is making most of the money in this industry 
>> because Apple is only one company, whereas there are at least seven or eight 
>> companies manufacturing cell phones that are not Apple.  To say that Apple 
>> was making most of the money in this industry is like saying that Coke is 
>> making most of the money in the pop industry when there are so many other 
>> drinks available like juices, soft drinks, milk, coffee, or tea.
>>  
>> Now if you were to say that Apple was making most of the money compared to 
>> Samsung or even Sony would be more appropriate, but even then your statement 
>> would be wrong as these two companies alone make thousands of products Apple 
>> does not, so please, check your facts before your tout them as facts.
>>  
>> Victor
>>  
>> From: Mary Otten
>> Sent: Wednesday, March 22, 2017 4:58 PM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: Apple Introduces Cheapest iPad Yet, Special Edition Red iPhone 
>> - Bloomberg
>>  
>> Well, apparently not too many people are moving away. Apple is making most 
>> of the money in this industry. There are many people who make android 
>> devices. Most of them make no profit. Companies don't stay in business 
>> forever if they don't make a profit.
>> Mary
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Mar 22, 2017, at 11:58 AM, Victor Gouveia  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi Sieghard, while I can appreciate your issue regarding OS reliability and 
>>> phone integrity, the fact is people are moving away from Apple devices for 
>>> just that reason.  With the added advances in the camera, both front and 
>>> rear, pictures will get larger, and I don’t even think there are phones 
>>> available higher than the five that have 16 gig memory, and even those 
>>> devices are pushing it.  When they introduced the enhanced camera in the 
>>> iPhone six, they realized that sixteen gigs just wouldn’t do if people 
>>> wanted to take pictures, I mean, I’m still amazed that they’re still 
>>> offering the 32 gig devices, especially in the iPad, but again, this is 
>>> just the smaller issue.  How many phones out there are getting more and 
>>> more waterproof 

Re: Apple Introduces Cheapest iPad Yet, Special Edition Red iPhone - Bloomberg

[Anthony Vece]

You made it look like she didn't know what she was talking about.


Sent from my Verizon iPhone 7!!!

> On Mar 22, 2017, at 5:48 PM, Victor Gouveia  wrote:
> 
> Anthony, I’m sorry, what did I do wrong except contradict someone’s opinion 
> and clear up some confusion that may have been made that misunderstood my 
> words.  Should I have let it go, and let her keep stating a fact that is not 
> a fact?
>  
> I’m not sure what I did wrong here.
>  
> Victor
>  
> From: Anthony Vece
> Sent: Wednesday, March 22, 2017 5:36 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Apple Introduces Cheapest iPad Yet, Special Edition Red iPhone - 
> Bloomberg
>  
> Hey Victor;
>  
> I'm Mary is speaking from knowledge that is credible.
> Leave her alone.
> Anthony
> 
> 
> Sent from my Verizon iPhone 7!!!
> 
>> On Mar 22, 2017, at 5:10 PM, Victor Gouveia  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Mary, you can’t make blanket statements without looking it up first.
>>  
>> One cannot say that Apple is making most of the money in this industry 
>> because Apple is only one company, whereas there are at least seven or eight 
>> companies manufacturing cell phones that are not Apple.  To say that Apple 
>> was making most of the money in this industry is like saying that Coke is 
>> making most of the money in the pop industry when there are so many other 
>> drinks available like juices, soft drinks, milk, coffee, or tea.
>>  
>> Now if you were to say that Apple was making most of the money compared to 
>> Samsung or even Sony would be more appropriate, but even then your statement 
>> would be wrong as these two companies alone make thousands of products Apple 
>> does not, so please, check your facts before your tout them as facts.
>>  
>> Victor
>>  
>> From: Mary Otten
>> Sent: Wednesday, March 22, 2017 4:58 PM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: Apple Introduces Cheapest iPad Yet, Special Edition Red iPhone 
>> - Bloomberg
>>  
>> Well, apparently not too many people are moving away. Apple is making most 
>> of the money in this industry. There are many people who make android 
>> devices. Most of them make no profit. Companies don't stay in business 
>> forever if they don't make a profit.
>> Mary
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Mar 22, 2017, at 11:58 AM, Victor Gouveia  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi Sieghard, while I can appreciate your issue regarding OS reliability and 
>>> phone integrity, the fact is people are moving away from Apple devices for 
>>> just that reason.  With the added advances in the camera, both front and 
>>> rear, pictures will get larger, and I don’t even think there are phones 
>>> available higher than the five that have 16 gig memory, and even those 
>>> devices are pushing it.  When they introduced the enhanced camera in the 
>>> iPhone six, they realized that sixteen gigs just wouldn’t do if people 
>>> wanted to take pictures, I mean, I’m still amazed that they’re still 
>>> offering the 32 gig devices, especially in the iPad, but again, this is 
>>> just the smaller issue.  How many phones out there are getting more and 
>>> more waterproof and dust proof, and they don’t seem to have a problem with 
>>> an SD card slot, in addition, the OS security could be plugged to avoid 
>>> that sort of thing.  Fact is, I think that Apple is guarding it’s closed 
>>> platform so people are forced to get their content from iTunes and App 
>>> store.  Open up the file system and you’re looking at an easier way to 
>>> jailbreak, and Apple couldn’t have that  Regardless, I do think that Apple 
>>> should open their eyes when it comes to expansion, if only to make it 
>>> easier to connect to a portable solution, lest they get left out in the 
>>> cold when the Android devices that allow for expansion come rumbling in.  
>>> Just a thought.
>>>  
>>> Victor
>>>  
>>> From: Sieghard Weitzel
>>> Sent: Tuesday, March 21, 2017 11:47 PM
>>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: RE: Apple Introduces Cheapest iPad Yet, Special Edition Red iPhone 
>>> - Bloomberg
>>>  
>>> Hi Victor,
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>> I am not sure if Apple could keep their walled garden concept and offer SD 
>>> card expansion slots. If you allow people to introduce media on an SD card 
>>> then the OS must have access to the folders or maybe it would be more 
>>> accurate to say that Apple would have to give users access to what is on 
>>> the SD card and that would possibly defeat the purpose of the closed nature 
>>> of the platform. Any SD card, even the newest and fastest, would also 
>>> introduce a lot of latency in how fast things get loaded and I think this 
>>> all goes against what Apple wants to achieve. I think actually that even 
>>> some high-end Android phones are moving away from that, but I might be 
>>> wrong, just something I heard. Does the Google Pixel for example have an SD 
>>> card slot? Lastly, having such an expansion slot on an iPad is 

Re: Apple Introduces Cheapest iPad Yet, Special Edition Red iPhone - Bloomberg

[Victor Gouveia]

Apple Introduces Cheapest iPad Yet, Special Edition Red iPhone - 
BloombergAnthony, I’m sorry, what did I do wrong except contradict someone’s 
opinion and clear up some confusion that may have been made that misunderstood 
my words.  Should I have let it go, and let her keep stating a fact that is not 
a fact?

I’m not sure what I did wrong here.

Victor

From: Anthony Vece 
Sent: Wednesday, March 22, 2017 5:36 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
Subject: Re: Apple Introduces Cheapest iPad Yet, Special Edition Red iPhone - 
Bloomberg

Hey Victor;

I'm Mary is speaking from knowledge that is credible.
Leave her alone.
Anthony


Sent from my Verizon iPhone 7!!!

On Mar 22, 2017, at 5:10 PM, Victor Gouveia  wrote:


  Mary, you can’t make blanket statements without looking it up first.

  One cannot say that Apple is making most of the money in this industry 
because Apple is only one company, whereas there are at least seven or eight 
companies manufacturing cell phones that are not Apple.  To say that Apple was 
making most of the money in this industry is like saying that Coke is making 
most of the money in the pop industry when there are so many other drinks 
available like juices, soft drinks, milk, coffee, or tea.

  Now if you were to say that Apple was making most of the money compared to 
Samsung or even Sony would be more appropriate, but even then your statement 
would be wrong as these two companies alone make thousands of products Apple 
does not, so please, check your facts before your tout them as facts.

  Victor

  From: Mary Otten 
  Sent: Wednesday, March 22, 2017 4:58 PM
  To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
  Subject: Re: Apple Introduces Cheapest iPad Yet, Special Edition Red iPhone - 
Bloomberg

  Well, apparently not too many people are moving away. Apple is making most of 
the money in this industry. There are many people who make android devices. 
Most of them make no profit. Companies don't stay in business forever if they 
don't make a profit.
  Mary



  Sent from my iPhone

  On Mar 22, 2017, at 11:58 AM, Victor Gouveia  
wrote:


Hi Sieghard, while I can appreciate your issue regarding OS reliability and 
phone integrity, the fact is people are moving away from Apple devices for just 
that reason.  With the added advances in the camera, both front and rear, 
pictures will get larger, and I don’t even think there are phones available 
higher than the five that have 16 gig memory, and even those devices are 
pushing it.  When they introduced the enhanced camera in the iPhone six, they 
realized that sixteen gigs just wouldn’t do if people wanted to take pictures, 
I mean, I’m still amazed that they’re still offering the 32 gig devices, 
especially in the iPad, but again, this is just the smaller issue.  How many 
phones out there are getting more and more waterproof and dust proof, and they 
don’t seem to have a problem with an SD card slot, in addition, the OS security 
could be plugged to avoid that sort of thing.  Fact is, I think that Apple is 
guarding it’s closed platform so people are forced to get their content from 
iTunes and App store.  Open up the file system and you’re looking at an easier 
way to jailbreak, and Apple couldn’t have that  Regardless, I do think that 
Apple should open their eyes when it comes to expansion, if only to make it 
easier to connect to a portable solution, lest they get left out in the cold 
when the Android devices that allow for expansion come rumbling in.  Just a 
thought.

Victor

From: Sieghard Weitzel 
Sent: Tuesday, March 21, 2017 11:47 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
Subject: RE: Apple Introduces Cheapest iPad Yet, Special Edition Red iPhone 
- Bloomberg

Hi Victor,

 

I am not sure if Apple could keep their walled garden concept and offer SD 
card expansion slots. If you allow people to introduce media on an SD card then 
the OS must have access to the folders or maybe it would be more accurate to 
say that Apple would have to give users access to what is on the SD card and 
that would possibly defeat the purpose of the closed nature of the platform. 
Any SD card, even the newest and fastest, would also introduce a lot of latency 
in how fast things get loaded and I think this all goes against what Apple 
wants to achieve. I think actually that even some high-end Android phones are 
moving away from that, but I might be wrong, just something I heard. Does the 
Google Pixel for example have an SD card slot? Lastly, having such an expansion 
slot on an iPad is one thing because there is probably plenty of space, but 
having it on an iPhone is most likely not very practical as there hardly is any 
space left as is and of course making a highly waterproof or water resistant 
device would probably be much more difficult if the device had an SD card slot 
Personally I have no problem with Apple offering internal memory, I totally 
agree that nowadays 16 

Re: Apple Introduces Cheapest iPad Yet, Special Edition Red iPhone - Bloomberg

[Anthony Vece]

Hey Victor;

I'm Mary is speaking from knowledge that is credible.
Leave her alone.
Anthony


Sent from my Verizon iPhone 7!!!

> On Mar 22, 2017, at 5:10 PM, Victor Gouveia  wrote:
> 
> Mary, you can’t make blanket statements without looking it up first.
>  
> One cannot say that Apple is making most of the money in this industry 
> because Apple is only one company, whereas there are at least seven or eight 
> companies manufacturing cell phones that are not Apple.  To say that Apple 
> was making most of the money in this industry is like saying that Coke is 
> making most of the money in the pop industry when there are so many other 
> drinks available like juices, soft drinks, milk, coffee, or tea.
>  
> Now if you were to say that Apple was making most of the money compared to 
> Samsung or even Sony would be more appropriate, but even then your statement 
> would be wrong as these two companies alone make thousands of products Apple 
> does not, so please, check your facts before your tout them as facts.
>  
> Victor
>  
> From: Mary Otten
> Sent: Wednesday, March 22, 2017 4:58 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Apple Introduces Cheapest iPad Yet, Special Edition Red iPhone - 
> Bloomberg
>  
> Well, apparently not too many people are moving away. Apple is making most of 
> the money in this industry. There are many people who make android devices. 
> Most of them make no profit. Companies don't stay in business forever if they 
> don't make a profit.
> Mary
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Mar 22, 2017, at 11:58 AM, Victor Gouveia  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Sieghard, while I can appreciate your issue regarding OS reliability and 
>> phone integrity, the fact is people are moving away from Apple devices for 
>> just that reason.  With the added advances in the camera, both front and 
>> rear, pictures will get larger, and I don’t even think there are phones 
>> available higher than the five that have 16 gig memory, and even those 
>> devicesare pushing it.  When they introduced the enhanced camera in the 
>> iPhone six, they realized that sixteen gigs just wouldn’t do if people 
>> wanted to take pictures, I mean, I’m still amazed that they’re still 
>> offering the 32 gig devices, especially in the iPad, but again, this is just 
>> the smaller issue.  How many phones out there are getting more and more 
>> waterproof and dust proof, and they don’t seem to have a problem with an SD 
>> card slot, in addition, the OS security could be plugged to avoid that sort 
>> of thing.  Fact is, I think that Apple is guarding it’s closed platform so 
>> people are forced to get their content from iTunes and App store.  Open up 
>> the file system and you’re looking at an easier way to jailbreak, and Apple 
>> couldn’t have that  Regardless, I do think that Apple should open their eyes 
>> when it comes to expansion, if only to make it easier to connect to a 
>> portable solution, lest they get left out in the cold when the Android 
>> devices that allow for expansion come rumbling in.  Just a thought.
>>  
>> Victor
>>  
>> From: Sieghard Weitzel
>> Sent: Tuesday, March 21, 2017 11:47 PM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: RE: Apple Introduces Cheapest iPad Yet, Special Edition Red iPhone 
>> - Bloomberg
>>  
>> Hi Victor,
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> I am not sure if Apple could keep their walled garden concept and offer SD 
>> card expansion slots. If you allow people to introduce media on an SD card 
>> then the OS must have access to the folders or maybe it would be more 
>> accurate to say that Apple would have to give users access to what is on the 
>> SD card and that would possibly defeat the purpose of the closed nature of 
>> the platform. Any SD card, even the newest and fastest, would also introduce 
>> a lot of latency in how fast things get loaded and I think this all goes 
>> against what Apple wants to achieve. I think actually that even some 
>> high-end Android phones are moving away from that, but I might be wrong, 
>> just something I heard. Does the Google Pixel for example have an SD card 
>> slot? Lastly, having such an expansion slot on an iPad is one thing because 
>> there is probably plenty of space, but having it on an iPhone is most likely 
>> not very practical as there hardly is any space left as is and of course 
>> making a highly waterproof or water resistant device would probably be much 
>> more difficult if the device had an SD card slot Personally I have no 
>> problem with Apple offering internal memory, I totally agree that nowadays 
>> 16 Gb doesn’t get you far, but I wonder how many people still buy 16 Gb 
>> devices if they can get a 64 Gb device (4 times the space) for $100 more.
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> Regards,
>> 
>> Sieghard
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf 
>> Of Victor Gouveia
>> Sent: Tuesday, March 21, 2017 7:56 PM
>> To: 

Re: Apple Introduces Cheapest iPad Yet, Special Edition Red iPhone - Bloomberg

[Victor Gouveia]

Apple Introduces Cheapest iPad Yet, Special Edition Red iPhone - BloombergMary, 
I think you’re getting confused with profits and market share, or sales.

What I mean to say is that in terms of pricing and how much money Apple makes 
cannot be denied, but they are a low percentage of the share of the cell phone 
market, and this has nothing to do with whether I like the news or not, if you 
came to me and proved to me that your blanket statement was correct, I would 
humbly apologize, and stand corrected, however, the fact is, in market share, 
there are too many cell phones out there for Apple to even corner the market or 
even the entire cell phone market.  I’m sorry if I confused you.

Victor

From: Mary Otten 
Sent: Wednesday, March 22, 2017 5:16 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
Subject: Re: Apple Introduces Cheapest iPad Yet, Special Edition Red iPhone - 
Bloomberg

Victor, every few months their articles coming out telling how much of the 
phone market which company has in terms of profits. Year after year, Apple 
makes the vast majority of profits in the phone market. You might not like it. 
But it's true. There's a whole lot of the technical press that is all over 
articles every time some company gains a little bit of marketshare. Waymore 
phones have android on them then there are iPhones. And that makes exactly no 
difference, because the vast majority of the actual money being made is being 
made by Apple on phones, not any of the other companies. Samsung makes a bunch 
of money. They make some profit on phones. They also make a ton of money in 
other industries. All those cheap phones that all those folks are making our 
nonprofit producers. Again, you might not like it. It might not be "fair". But 
that's how it is.


Mary



Sent from my iPhone

On Mar 22, 2017, at 2:10 PM, Victor Gouveia  wrote:


  Mary, you can’t make blanket statements without looking it up first.

  One cannot say that Apple is making most of the money in this industry 
because Apple is only one company, whereas there are at least seven or eight 
companies manufacturing cell phones that are not Apple.  To say that Apple was 
making most of the money in this industry is like saying that Coke is making 
most of the money in the pop industry when there are so many other drinks 
available like juices, soft drinks, milk, coffee, or tea.

  Now if you were to say that Apple was making most of the money compared to 
Samsung or even Sony would be more appropriate, but even then your statement 
would be wrong as these two companies alone make thousands of products Apple 
does not, so please, check your facts before your tout them as facts.

  Victor

  From: Mary Otten 
  Sent: Wednesday, March 22, 2017 4:58 PM
  To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
  Subject: Re: Apple Introduces Cheapest iPad Yet, Special Edition Red iPhone - 
Bloomberg

  Well, apparently not too many people are moving away. Apple is making most of 
the money in this industry. There are many people who make android devices. 
Most of them make no profit. Companies don't stay in business forever if they 
don't make a profit.
  Mary



  Sent from my iPhone

  On Mar 22, 2017, at 11:58 AM, Victor Gouveia  
wrote:


Hi Sieghard, while I can appreciate your issue regarding OS reliability and 
phone integrity, the fact is people are moving away from Apple devices for just 
that reason.  With the added advances in the camera, both front and rear, 
pictures will get larger, and I don’t even think there are phones available 
higher than the five that have 16 gig memory, and even those devices are 
pushing it.  When they introduced the enhanced camera in the iPhone six, they 
realized that sixteen gigs just wouldn’t do if people wanted to take pictures, 
I mean, I’m still amazed that they’re still offering the 32 gig devices, 
especially in the iPad, but again, this is just the smaller issue.  How many 
phones out there are getting more and more waterproof and dust proof, and they 
don’t seem to have a problem with an SD card slot, in addition, the OS security 
could be plugged to avoid that sort of thing.  Fact is, I think that Apple is 
guarding it’s closed platform so people are forced to get their content from 
iTunes and App store.  Open up the file system and you’re looking at an easier 
way to jailbreak, and Apple couldn’t have that  Regardless, I do think that 
Apple should open their eyes when it comes to expansion, if only to make it 
easier to connect to a portable solution, lest they get left out in the cold 
when the Android devices that allow for expansion come rumbling in.  Just a 
thought.

Victor

From: Sieghard Weitzel 
Sent: Tuesday, March 21, 2017 11:47 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
Subject: RE: Apple Introduces Cheapest iPad Yet, Special Edition Red iPhone 
- Bloomberg

Hi Victor,

 

I am not sure if Apple could keep their walled garden concept and offer SD 

Re: Apple Introduces Cheapest iPad Yet, Special Edition Red iPhone - Bloomberg

[Mary Otten]

Victor, every few months their articles coming out telling how much of the 
phone market which company has in terms of profits. Year after year, Apple 
makes the vast majority of profits in the phone market. You might not like it. 
But it's true. There's a whole lot of the technical press that is all over 
articles every time some company gains a little bit of marketshare. Waymore 
phones have android on them then there are iPhones. And that makes exactly no 
difference, because the vast majority of the actual money being made is being 
made by Apple on phones, not any of the other companies. Samsung makes a bunch 
of money. They make some profit on phones. They also make a ton of money in 
other industries. All those cheap phones that all those folks are making our 
nonprofit producers. Again, you might not like it. It might not be "fair". But 
that's how it is.

Mary


Sent from my iPhone

> On Mar 22, 2017, at 2:10 PM, Victor Gouveia  wrote:
> 
> Mary, you can’t make blanket statements without looking it up first.
>  
> One cannot say that Apple is making most of the money in this industry 
> because Apple is only one company, whereas there are at least seven or eight 
> companies manufacturing cell phones that are not Apple.  To say that Apple 
> was making most of the money in this industry is like saying that Coke is 
> making most of the money in the pop industry when there are so many other 
> drinks available like juices, soft drinks, milk, coffee, or tea.
>  
> Now if you were to say that Apple was making most of the money compared to 
> Samsung or even Sony would be more appropriate, but even then your statement 
> would be wrong as these two companies alone make thousands of products Apple 
> does not, so please, check your facts before your tout them as facts.
>  
> Victor
>  
> From: Mary Otten
> Sent: Wednesday, March 22, 2017 4:58 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Apple Introduces Cheapest iPad Yet, Special Edition Red iPhone - 
> Bloomberg
>  
> Well, apparently not too many people are moving away. Apple is making most of 
> the money in this industry. There are many people who make android devices. 
> Most of them make no profit. Companies don't stay in business forever if they 
> don't make a profit.
> Mary
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Mar 22, 2017, at 11:58 AM, Victor Gouveia  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Sieghard, while I can appreciate your issue regarding OS reliability and 
>> phone integrity, the fact is people are moving away from Apple devices for 
>> just that reason.  With the added advances in the camera, both front and 
>> rear, pictures will get larger, and I don’t even think there are phones 
>> available higher than the five that have 16 gig memory, and even those 
>> devices are pushing it.  When they introduced the enhanced camera in the 
>> iPhone six, they realized that sixteen gigs just wouldn’t do if people 
>> wanted to take pictures, I mean, I’m still amazed that they’re still 
>> offering the 32 gig devices, especially in the iPad, but again, this is just 
>> the smaller issue.  How many phones out there are getting more and more 
>> waterproof and dust proof, and they don’t seem to have a problem with an SD 
>> card slot, in addition, the OS security could be plugged to avoid that sort 
>> of thing.  Fact is, I think that Apple is guarding it’s closed platform so 
>> people are forced to get their content from iTunes and App store.  Open up 
>> the file system and you’re looking at an easier way to jailbreak, and Apple 
>> couldn’t have that  Regardless, I do think that Apple should open their eyes 
>> when it comes to expansion, if only to make it easier to connect to a 
>> portable solution, lest they get left out in the cold when the Android 
>> devices that allow for expansion come rumbling in.  Just a thought.
>>  
>> Victor
>>  
>> From: Sieghard Weitzel
>> Sent: Tuesday, March 21, 2017 11:47 PM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: RE: Apple Introduces Cheapest iPad Yet, Special Edition Red iPhone 
>> - Bloomberg
>>  
>> Hi Victor,
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> I am not sure if Apple could keep their walled garden concept and offer SD 
>> card expansion slots. If you allow people to introduce media on an SD card 
>> then the OS must have access to the folders or maybe it would be more 
>> accurate to say that Apple would have to give users access to what is on the 
>> SD card and that would possibly defeat the purpose of the closed nature of 
>> the platform. Any SD card, even the newest and fastest, would also introduce 
>> a lot of latency in how fast things get loaded and I think this all goes 
>> against what Apple wants to achieve. I think actually that even some 
>> high-end Android phones are moving away from that, but I might be wrong, 
>> just something I heard. Does the Google Pixel for example have an SD card 
>> slot? Lastly, having such an expansion slot on an iPad is one thing 

Re: Apple Introduces Cheapest iPad Yet, Special Edition Red iPhone - Bloomberg

[Victor Gouveia]

Apple Introduces Cheapest iPad Yet, Special Edition Red iPhone - BloombergMary, 
you can’t make blanket statements without looking it up first.

One cannot say that Apple is making most of the money in this industry because 
Apple is only one company, whereas there are at least seven or eight companies 
manufacturing cell phones that are not Apple.  To say that Apple was making 
most of the money in this industry is like saying that Coke is making most of 
the money in the pop industry when there are so many other drinks available 
like juices, soft drinks, milk, coffee, or tea.

Now if you were to say that Apple was making most of the money compared to 
Samsung or even Sony would be more appropriate, but even then your statement 
would be wrong as these two companies alone make thousands of products Apple 
does not, so please, check your facts before your tout them as facts.

Victor

From: Mary Otten 
Sent: Wednesday, March 22, 2017 4:58 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
Subject: Re: Apple Introduces Cheapest iPad Yet, Special Edition Red iPhone - 
Bloomberg

Well, apparently not too many people are moving away. Apple is making most of 
the money in this industry. There are many people who make android devices. 
Most of them make no profit. Companies don't stay in business forever if they 
don't make a profit.
Mary



Sent from my iPhone

On Mar 22, 2017, at 11:58 AM, Victor Gouveia  wrote:


  Hi Sieghard, while I can appreciate your issue regarding OS reliability and 
phone integrity, the fact is people are moving away from Apple devices for just 
that reason.  With the added advances in the camera, both front and rear, 
pictures will get larger, and I don’t even think there are phones available 
higher than the five that have 16 gig memory, and even those devices are 
pushing it.  When they introduced the enhanced camera in the iPhone six, they 
realized that sixteen gigs just wouldn’t do if people wanted to take pictures, 
I mean, I’m still amazed that they’re still offering the 32 gig devices, 
especially in the iPad, but again, this is just the smaller issue.  How many 
phones out there are getting more and more waterproof and dust proof, and they 
don’t seem to have a problem with an SD card slot, in addition, the OS security 
could be plugged to avoid that sort of thing.  Fact is, I think that Apple is 
guarding it’s closed platform so people are forced to get their content from 
iTunes and App store.  Open up the file system and you’re looking at an easier 
way to jailbreak, and Apple couldn’t have that  Regardless, I do think that 
Apple should open their eyes when it comes to expansion, if only to make it 
easier to connect to a portable solution, lest they get left out in the cold 
when the Android devices that allow for expansion come rumbling in.  Just a 
thought.

  Victor

  From: Sieghard Weitzel 
  Sent: Tuesday, March 21, 2017 11:47 PM
  To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
  Subject: RE: Apple Introduces Cheapest iPad Yet, Special Edition Red iPhone - 
Bloomberg

  Hi Victor,

   

  I am not sure if Apple could keep their walled garden concept and offer SD 
card expansion slots. If you allow people to introduce media on an SD card then 
the OS must have access to the folders or maybe it would be more accurate to 
say that Apple would have to give users access to what is on the SD card and 
that would possibly defeat the purpose of the closed nature of the platform. 
Any SD card, even the newest and fastest, would also introduce a lot of latency 
in how fast things get loaded and I think this all goes against what Apple 
wants to achieve. I think actually that even some high-end Android phones are 
moving away from that, but I might be wrong, just something I heard. Does the 
Google Pixel for example have an SD card slot? Lastly, having such an expansion 
slot on an iPad is one thing because there is probably plenty of space, but 
having it on an iPhone is most likely not very practical as there hardly is any 
space left as is and of course making a highly waterproof or water resistant 
device would probably be much more difficult if the device had an SD card slot 
Personally I have no problem with Apple offering internal memory, I totally 
agree that nowadays 16 Gb doesn’t get you far, but I wonder how many people 
still buy 16 Gb devices if they can get a 64 Gb device (4 times the space) for 
$100 more.

   

  Regards,

  Sieghard

   

  From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Victor Gouveia
  Sent: Tuesday, March 21, 2017 7:56 PM
  To: viphone@googlegroups.com
  Subject: Re: Apple Introduces Cheapest iPad Yet, Special Edition Red iPhone - 
Bloomberg

   

  I don’t agree.  Granted, the 300 dollar price tag is nice, but not with the 
memory it’s offering.

   

  I think the 32 and 16 models of any device is outdated, unless it’s got an 
expansion slot for an SD card.

   

  Frankly, I’m completely surprised that Apple 

Re: Apple Introduces Cheapest iPad Yet, Special Edition Red iPhone - Bloomberg

[Mary Otten]

Well, apparently not too many people are moving away. Apple is making most of 
the money in this industry. There are many people who make android devices. 
Most of them make no profit. Companies don't stay in business forever if they 
don't make a profit.
Mary


Sent from my iPhone

> On Mar 22, 2017, at 11:58 AM, Victor Gouveia  
> wrote:
> 
> Hi Sieghard, while I can appreciate your issue regarding OS reliability and 
> phone integrity, the fact is people are moving away from Apple devices for 
> just that reason.  With the added advances in the camera, both front and 
> rear, pictures will get larger, and I don’t even think there are phones 
> available higher than the five that have 16 gig memory, and even those 
> devices are pushing it.  When they introduced the enhanced camera in the 
> iPhone six, they realized that sixteen gigs just wouldn’t do if people wanted 
> to take pictures, I mean, I’m still amazed that they’re still offering the 32 
> gig devices, especially in the iPad, but again, this is just the smaller 
> issue.  How many phones out there are getting more and more waterproof and 
> dust proof, and they don’t seem to have a problem with an SD card slot, in 
> addition, the OS security could be plugged to avoid that sort of thing.  Fact 
> is, I think that Apple is guarding it’s closed platform so people are forced 
> to get their content from iTunes and App store.  Open up the file system and 
> you’re looking at an easier way to jailbreak, and Apple couldn’t have that.  
> Regardless, I do think that Apple should open their eyes when it comes to 
> expansion, if only to make it easier to connect to a portable solution, lest 
> they get left out in the cold when the Android devices that allow for 
> expansion come rumbling in.  Just a thought.
>  
> Victor
>  
> From: Sieghard Weitzel
> Sent: Tuesday, March 21, 2017 11:47 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: Apple Introduces Cheapest iPad Yet, Special Edition Red iPhone - 
> Bloomberg
>  
> Hi Victor,
>  
> I am not sure if Apple could keep their walled garden concept and offer SD 
> card expansion slots. If you allow people to introduce media on an SD card 
> then the OS must have access to the folders or maybe it would be more 
> accurate to say that Apple would have to give users access to what is on the 
> SD card and that would possibly defeat the purpose of the closed nature of 
> the platform. Any SD card, even the newest and fastest, would also introduce 
> a lot of latency in how fast things get loaded and I think this all goes 
> against what Apple wants to achieve. I think actually that even some high-end 
> Android phones are moving away from that, but I might be wrong, just 
> something I heard. Does the Google Pixel for example have an SD card slot? 
> Lastly, having such an expansion slot on an iPad is one thing because there 
> is probably plenty of space, but having it on an iPhone is most likely not 
> very practical as there hardly is any space left as is and of course making a 
> highly waterproof or water resistant device would probably be much more 
> difficult if the device had an SD card slot Personally I have no problem with 
> Apple offering internal memory, I totally agree that nowadays 16 Gb doesn’t 
> get you far, but I wonder how many people still buy 16 Gb devices if they can 
> get a 64 Gb device (4 times the space) for $100 more.
>  
> Regards,
> Sieghard
>  
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
> Victor Gouveia
> Sent: Tuesday, March 21, 2017 7:56 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Apple Introduces Cheapest iPad Yet, Special Edition Red iPhone - 
> Bloomberg
>  
> I don’t agree.  Granted, the 300 dollar price tag is nice, but not with the 
> memory it’s offering.
>  
> I think the 32 and 16 models of any device is outdated, unless it’s got an 
> expansion slot for an SD card.
>  
> Frankly, I’m completely surprised that Apple hasn’t embraced this concept, 
> since it would enable them to lower the amount of ROM memory on the device, 
> and allow people to expand according to their budget.  Alas, it would seem 
> that Apple is destined not to ever get the message. 
>  
> Victor
>  
> From: Mr. Ed
> Sent: Tuesday, March 21, 2017 10:40 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: Apple Introduces Cheapest iPad Yet, Special Edition Red iPhone - 
> Bloomberg
>  
> Hi Mary,
> I would think if you could get a new iPad for $329 that would be a big deal.
> Mr. Ed
>  
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
> Mary Otten
> Sent: Tuesday, March 21, 2017 9:24 PM
> To: mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Apple Introduces Cheapest iPad Yet, Special Edition Red iPhone - 
> Bloomberg
>  
> These are not big deal upgrades. If they actually introduce a substantial a 
> new iPad Pro, I would suppose they would do so with a bit more fanfare. But 
> these upgrades are no 

RE: Apple Introduces Cheapest iPad Yet, Special Edition Red iPhone - Bloomberg

[Alan Lemly]

Pablo,

 

I'm not sure why you think it's wrong for a for-profit company like Apple to 
want to make money on their products. I guarantee you that any company not 
operating in this fashion won't be long of this world. And you speak of Android 
as if it's one company instead of the multitude of companies that make devices 
that run under Android. If you don't like Apple's closed file system which 
seems to be working pretty well for them based on their sales and current stock 
price, you should use an Android device and I hope it meets all your needs. 
That's the way supply and demand is supposed to work in our economic system.

 

Alan Lemly

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Pablo Cesar Morales
Sent: Wednesday, March 22, 2017 12:30 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Apple Introduces Cheapest iPad Yet, Special Edition Red iPhone - 
Bloomberg

 

Pixel doesn’t have a sd card slot, but it is not the only android device. 
Samsung and many other big cellphone brands creates phones with sd cards. 

Really the problem with apple is that they want to make money with everything, 
and they want to handle what you place in your iPhone memory. With the story 
abour copy rights they have done very difficult for users manage music between 
iPhones, or also between iPhone and other devices. Yes, we can use iTunes to 
transfer music to our iPhones, but use this app is really difficult for 
standard users. More over in android devices you can store there documents of 
all types, you can create folders and subfolders in the same way how we do in 
our computers. In iPhones the story is different. It is one of the reasons why 
I bought an android device. Android and IOs have different politics and 
different cultures. Apple’s culture is money, money and more money. Android’s 
culture is share, share and share again. Apple wants to control so much what we 
do in our devices. Android gives freedom to do what ever you want, and more 
important, in a very easy way.

 

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Tuesday, March 21, 2017 8:48 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Apple Introduces Cheapest iPad Yet, Special Edition Red iPhone - 
Bloomberg

 

Hi Victor,

 

I am not sure if Apple could keep their walled garden concept and offer SD card 
expansion slots. If you allow people to introduce media on an SD card then the 
OS must have access to the folders or maybe it would be more accurate to say 
that Apple would have to give users access to what is on the SD card and that 
would possibly defeat the purpose of the closed nature of the platform. Any SD 
card, even the newest and fastest, would also introduce a lot of latency in how 
fast things get loaded and I think this all goes against what Apple wants to 
achieve. I think actually that even some high-end Android phones are moving 
away from that, but I might be wrong, just something I heard. Does the Google 
Pixel for example have an SD card slot? Lastly, having such an expansion slot 
on an iPad is one thing because there is probably plenty of space, but having 
it on an iPhone is most likely not very practical as there hardly is any space 
left as is and of course making a highly waterproof or water resistant device 
would probably be much more difficult if the device had an SD card slot. 
Personally I have no problem with Apple offering internal memory, I totally 
agree that nowadays 16 Gb doesn’t get you far, but I wonder how many people 
still buy 16 Gb devices if they can get a 64 Gb device (4 times the space) for 
$100 more.

 

Regards,

Sieghard

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Victor Gouveia
Sent: Tuesday, March 21, 2017 7:56 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Apple Introduces Cheapest iPad Yet, Special Edition Red iPhone - 
Bloomberg

 

I don’t agree.  Granted, the 300 dollar price tag is nice, but not with the 
memory it’s offering.

 

I think the 32 and 16 models of any device is outdated, unless it’s got an 
expansion slot for an SD card.

 

Frankly, I’m completely surprised that Apple hasn’t embraced this concept, 
since it would enable them to lower the amount of ROM memory on the device, and 
allow people to expand according to their budget.  Alas, it would seem that 
Apple is destined not to ever get the message.  

 

Victor

 

From: Mr. Ed 

Sent: Tuesday, March 21, 2017 10:40 PM

To: viphone@googlegroups.com 

Subject: RE: Apple Introduces Cheapest iPad Yet, Special Edition Red iPhone - 
Bloomberg

 

Hi Mary,

I would think if you could get a new iPad for $329 that would be a big deal.

Mr. Ed

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Mary Otten
Sent: Tuesday, March 21, 2017 9:24 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Apple Introduces Cheapest iPad Yet, Special Edition Red iPhone - 
Bloomberg

 

These are not 

Re: Apple Introduces Cheapest iPad Yet, Special Edition Red iPhone - Bloomberg

[Victor Gouveia]

Apple Introduces Cheapest iPad Yet, Special Edition Red iPhone - BloombergHi 
Sieghard, while I can appreciate your issue regarding OS reliability and phone 
integrity, the fact is people are moving away from Apple devices for just that 
reason.  With the added advances in the camera, both front and rear, pictures 
will get larger, and I don’t even think there are phones available higher than 
the five that have 16 gig memory, and even those devices are pushing it.  When 
they introduced the enhanced camera in the iPhone six, they realized that 
sixteen gigs just wouldn’t do if people wanted to take pictures, I mean, I’m 
still amazed that they’re still offering the 32 gig devices, especially in the 
iPad, but again, this is just the smaller issue.  How many phones out there are 
getting more and more waterproof and dust proof, and they don’t seem to have a 
problem with an SD card slot, in addition, the OS security could be plugged to 
avoid that sort of thing.  Fact is, I think that Apple is guarding it’s closed 
platform so people are forced to get their content from iTunes and App store.  
Open up the file system and you’re looking at an easier way to jailbreak, and 
Apple couldn’t have that.  Regardless, I do think that Apple should open their 
eyes when it comes to expansion, if only to make it easier to connect to a 
portable solution, lest they get left out in the cold when the Android devices 
that allow for expansion come rumbling in.  Just a thought.

Victor

From: Sieghard Weitzel 
Sent: Tuesday, March 21, 2017 11:47 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
Subject: RE: Apple Introduces Cheapest iPad Yet, Special Edition Red iPhone - 
Bloomberg

Hi Victor,

 

I am not sure if Apple could keep their walled garden concept and offer SD card 
expansion slots. If you allow people to introduce media on an SD card then the 
OS must have access to the folders or maybe it would be more accurate to say 
that Apple would have to give users access to what is on the SD card and that 
would possibly defeat the purpose of the closed nature of the platform. Any SD 
card, even the newest and fastest, would also introduce a lot of latency in how 
fast things get loaded and I think this all goes against what Apple wants to 
achieve. I think actually that even some high-end Android phones are moving 
away from that, but I might be wrong, just something I heard. Does the Google 
Pixel for example have an SD card slot? Lastly, having such an expansion slot 
on an iPad is one thing because there is probably plenty of space, but having 
it on an iPhone is most likely not very practical as there hardly is any space 
left as is and of course making a highly waterproof or water resistant device 
would probably be much more difficult if the device had an SD card slot 
Personally I have no problem with Apple offering internal memory, I totally 
agree that nowadays 16 Gb doesn’t get you far, but I wonder how many people 
still buy 16 Gb devices if they can get a 64 Gb device (4 times the space) for 
$100 more.

 

Regards,

Sieghard

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Victor Gouveia
Sent: Tuesday, March 21, 2017 7:56 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Apple Introduces Cheapest iPad Yet, Special Edition Red iPhone - 
Bloomberg

 

I don’t agree.  Granted, the 300 dollar price tag is nice, but not with the 
memory it’s offering.

 

I think the 32 and 16 models of any device is outdated, unless it’s got an 
expansion slot for an SD card.

 

Frankly, I’m completely surprised that Apple hasn’t embraced this concept, 
since it would enable them to lower the amount of ROM memory on the device, and 
allow people to expand according to their budget.  Alas, it would seem that 
Apple is destined not to ever get the message.  

 

Victor

 

From: Mr. Ed 

Sent: Tuesday, March 21, 2017 10:40 PM

To: viphone@googlegroups.com 

Subject: RE: Apple Introduces Cheapest iPad Yet, Special Edition Red iPhone - 
Bloomberg

 

Hi Mary,

I would think if you could get a new iPad for $329 that would be a big deal.

Mr. Ed

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Mary Otten
Sent: Tuesday, March 21, 2017 9:24 PM
To: mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Apple Introduces Cheapest iPad Yet, Special Edition Red iPhone - 
Bloomberg

 

These are not big deal upgrades. If they actually introduce a substantial a new 
iPad Pro, I would suppose they would do so with a bit more fanfare. But these 
upgrades are no big deal.
Mary


Sent from my iPhone


On Mar 21, 2017, at 6:48 PM, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:

  And it’s not even April 1 yet. Is this actually for real? I just heard on the 
Apple Byte Podcast that Digitimes said there would be an event in April where a 
new 10.5 inch iPad Pro would be introduced, hard to believe they would just do 
this without much fanfare, if I remember correctly they did a bit more last yer 
around the iPhone 

RE: Apple Introduces Cheapest iPad Yet, Special Edition Red iPhone - Bloomberg

[Fazil M.]

I mean Bluetooth external memory card, if it can be used to expend IDevices  
internal memory?

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Wednesday, March 22, 2017 9:10 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Apple Introduces Cheapest iPad Yet, Special Edition Red iPhone - 
Bloomberg

 

What is bluetooth removeable media? 

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Fazil M.
Sent: Tuesday, March 21, 2017 10:53 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Apple Introduces Cheapest iPad Yet, Special Edition Red iPhone - 
Bloomberg

 

Don’t we have or likely to have in future Bluetooth removable media?

Thanks!

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Tuesday, March 21, 2017 8:48 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Apple Introduces Cheapest iPad Yet, Special Edition Red iPhone - 
Bloomberg

 

Hi Victor,

 

I am not sure if Apple could keep their walled garden concept and offer SD card 
expansion slots. If you allow people to introduce media on an SD card then the 
OS must have access to the folders or maybe it would be more accurate to say 
that Apple would have to give users access to what is on the SD card and that 
would possibly defeat the purpose of the closed nature of the platform. Any SD 
card, even the newest and fastest, would also introduce a lot of latency in how 
fast things get loaded and I think this all goes against what Apple wants to 
achieve. I think actually that even some high-end Android phones are moving 
away from that, but I might be wrong, just something I heard. Does the Google 
Pixel for example have an SD card slot? Lastly, having such an expansion slot 
on an iPad is one thing because there is probably plenty of space, but having 
it on an iPhone is most likely not very practical as there hardly is any space 
left as is and of course making a highly waterproof or water resistant device 
would probably be much more difficult if the device had an SD card slot. 
Personally I have no problem with Apple offering internal memory, I totally 
agree that nowadays 16 Gb doesn’t get you far, but I wonder how many people 
still buy 16 Gb devices if they can get a 64 Gb device (4 times the space) for 
$100 more.

 

Regards,

Sieghard

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Victor Gouveia
Sent: Tuesday, March 21, 2017 7:56 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Apple Introduces Cheapest iPad Yet, Special Edition Red iPhone - 
Bloomberg

 

I don’t agree.  Granted, the 300 dollar price tag is nice, but not with the 
memory it’s offering.

 

I think the 32 and 16 models of any device is outdated, unless it’s got an 
expansion slot for an SD card.

 

Frankly, I’m completely surprised that Apple hasn’t embraced this concept, 
since it would enable them to lower the amount of ROM memory on the device, and 
allow people to expand according to their budget.  Alas, it would seem that 
Apple is destined not to ever get the message.  

 

Victor

 

From: Mr. Ed 

Sent: Tuesday, March 21, 2017 10:40 PM

To: viphone@googlegroups.com 

Subject: RE: Apple Introduces Cheapest iPad Yet, Special Edition Red iPhone - 
Bloomberg

 

Hi Mary,

I would think if you could get a new iPad for $329 that would be a big deal.

Mr. Ed

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Mary Otten
Sent: Tuesday, March 21, 2017 9:24 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Apple Introduces Cheapest iPad Yet, Special Edition Red iPhone - 
Bloomberg

 

These are not big deal upgrades. If they actually introduce a substantial a new 
iPad Pro, I would suppose they would do so with a bit more fanfare. But these 
upgrades are no big deal.
Mary


Sent from my iPhone


On Mar 21, 2017, at 6:48 PM, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:

And it’s not even April 1 yet. Is this actually for real? I just heard on the 
Apple Byte Podcast that Digitimes said there would be an event in April where a 
new 10.5 inch iPad Pro would be introduced, hard to believe they would just do 
this without much fanfare, if I remember correctly they did a bit more last yer 
around the iPhone SE..

 

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Marissa Solaun
Sent: Tuesday, March 21, 2017 3:37 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Apple Introduces Cheapest iPad Yet, Special Edition Red iPhone - 
Bloomberg

 

May be of interest to those seeking a red iPhone 7/7+
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2017-03-21/apple-introduces-cheapest-ipad-yet-special-edition-red-iphone


Apple Introduces Cheapest iPad Yet, Special Edition Red iPhone


  More stories by Alex 
Webb

  Apple Inc. introduced a revamped 
version of its most popular-sized iPad at 

Re: Conquering Spam

[dollar031]

Yes, I have seen it before.  You are not the only person.  There are many 
others out there have the same thing.  I just keep deleting them all the times. 
 Cheers,  Scott Dollar 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Mar 22, 2017, at 11:55 AM, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
> 
> Same here, occasionally I see one of the ones you mentioned in my junkmail 
> box, but most of them (if they are addressed to me) don't even make it that 
> far. Most modern email clients like gmail, Outlook etc. should take care of 
> these type of messages. 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
> Deidre Muccio
> Sent: Wednesday, March 22, 2017 9:05 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Conquering Spam
> 
> What are you using for email? The native app? Hotmail? Mail on the web?I 
> haven't got any of that kind of spam since I left EarthLink or whatever that 
> was called about 15 years ago.
> Maybe there is some sort of spam filter setting on your phone in your email 
> program, which ever one you're using, that would solve the problem. I know 
> you Dulce, so I bet my life it's not because you've visited many kinky 
> websites that you're getting these kinds of spam messages. Generally, I think 
> that's how this sort of stuff comes in, depends on who's got cookies for your 
> having been to their website.
> Deidre
> 
> 
>> On Mar 22, 2017, at 9:47 AM, Dulce Muccio Weisenborn 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> I'm talking about repeated unsolicited messages about erectile dysfunction, 
>> window treatments, Russian girls for sex, cures for Alzheimers, etc.
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On 
>> Behalf Of rajmund
>> Sent: Wednesday, March 22, 2017 7:50 AM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: Conquering Spam
>> 
>> hi, what form of spam are you asking about,, exactly?
>> Sent from Thunderbird
>> 
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RE: Conquering Spam

[Dulce Muccio Weisenborn]

I'm using the native app.

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From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Deidre Muccio
Sent: Wednesday, March 22, 2017 12:05 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Conquering Spam

What are you using for email? The native app? Hotmail? Mail on the web?I 
haven't got any of that kind of spam since I left EarthLink or whatever that 
was called about 15 years ago.
Maybe there is some sort of spam filter setting on your phone in your email 
program, which ever one you're using, that would solve the problem. I know you 
Dulce, so I bet my life it's not because you've visited many kinky websites 
that you're getting these kinds of spam messages. Generally, I think that's how 
this sort of stuff comes in, depends on who's got cookies for your having been 
to their website.
Deidre


> On Mar 22, 2017, at 9:47 AM, Dulce Muccio Weisenborn 
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> I'm talking about repeated unsolicited messages about erectile dysfunction, 
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> 
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> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Conquering Spam
> 
> hi, what form of spam are you asking about,, exactly?
> Sent from Thunderbird
> 
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RE: Putting music on an iPhone

[Andrew]

Hi Chip and all, I previously posted about a program I use named Waltr 2.
I put ringtones, mp3's etc on my I Phone 7 with no issues. Do a search on Waltr 
2 minus the E.  Andrew   

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From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Chip Orange
Sent: Wednesday, March 22, 2017 10:33 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Putting music on an iPhone

If you mean directly connected to the phone, not that I know of (although there 
are micro xd cards which go up to 128gb I think, and you can purchase a usb 
lightning card reader).

However, you can connect external large drives to a pc which is always on, and 
make the drive sharable, or connect such a drive to the usb sharing port of 
many wifi routers (my new router from TPLink has 2 such usb ports, giving you 
an instant sort of NAS).  And of course, you might consider setting up a NAS 
yourself (more trouble to setup, but it's always on and faster and more 
reliable than connecting an external drive to a wifi router).

Hope somewhere in there is the answer you needed?

Chip


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From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Larry McCreary
Sent: Wednesday, March 22, 2017 12:32 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Putting music on an iPhone

Hello,
Is there a 1 gig drive that can be purchased for the iPhone.  I had an article 
from wsj and I lost it from my email before I had a chance to read it.
Thanks much.On Mar 22, 2017, at 12:22 PM, Chip Orange  
wrote:

> The File Explorer app (which is only around $3) will both move files to your 
> phone, and will also act as a music player for such files, regardless of 
> whether they are located on your phone or on a network share.  
> 
> When I say "move to your phone", this is not in a location usable by Apple 
> Music (as far as I know), but it's quite a nice way to get around Apple music 
> and iTunes.
> 
> Hth,
> 
> Chip
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
> Sieghard Weitzel
> Sent: Monday, March 13, 2017 12:04 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: Putting music on an iPhone
> 
> Music is actually an app not a folder and unfortunately there is no way to 
> get music into the Music app except to use iTunes, buy the music from the 
> iTunes Store or  sign up for Apple Music. Actually if you do have Apple Music 
> and you have some of your own music which is not available from iTunes, you 
> still need to have this music either in iTunes or on your iPhone so it can 
> get uploaded to Apple.
> You can use Dropbox or OneDrive to store you music and then use a different 
> app to play said music, I think one of these apps is called CloudPlayer.
> Having said all this, the latest version of iTunes is actually the most 
> accessible version since iTunes 11 and syncing music is really not very 
> difficult.
> 
> Regards,
> Sieghard
> 
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
> Kay Malmquist
> Sent: Monday, March 13, 2017 8:58 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Putting music on an iPhone
> 
> Hi all,
> Can somebody tell me the easiest way to put music on an iPhone without using 
> iTunes? I have not fed iTunes app for this phone as of yet and would really 
> rather not if it all possible. I would like to music to show up in the music 
> folder if Kathy bowl like it would if you use iTunes. Any help.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
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RE: external GPS units for better accuracy and much longer battery life

[Chip Orange]

Thanks Sieghard.

 

According to Dual, and reviews in Amazon from users of Dual units, it uses the 
signal from the external unit instead of the internal gps, but it changed 
beginning with IOS 8 (I think) someone said; if you tried this using IOS 7 or 
earlier, maybe that had something to do with your results?

 

Someone else indicated not every app was written so it deferred to the external 
signal; they indicated that navigation apps were, but perhaps Apple’s “find my 
friends” and location sharing features may not be written this way.

 

Chip

 

Chip

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Wednesday, March 22, 2017 12:17 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: external GPS units for better accuracy and much longer battery life

 

I tried an external receiver for a while (it was the one from Garmin called the 
“Glo”) and I never noticed improved accuracy or greatly improved battery life. 
The question is how iOS uses such a receiver, does it indeed completely turn 
off the internal receiver if an external receiver is connected or does it 
simply use both signals. I found the fact that I had to remember to keep the 
external receiver charged and to bring it more trouble than it was worth.

 

Regards,

Sieghard

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Chip Orange
Sent: Wednesday, March 22, 2017 9:03 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: external GPS units for better accuracy and much longer battery life

 

Hi all,

 

I’ve been doing some reading on use of external bluetooth gps receivers, which 
are supposed to have routine accuracy down to 2 meters, and which do not drain 
the battery on your phone because they have their own battery (which you must 
charge separately, nothing is for free!)

 

One such model is the Dual Electronics xgps 150e ($100), and a slightly faster 
model which allows 5 devices concurrently to pair with it is their xgps 160.

 

Both the much improved battery life on the phone, and the much better accuracy 
sound interesting to me, so I wondered if anyone here had tried an external gps 
receiver?  They are also supposed to be much more sensitive, working in 
downtowns full of buildings, inside houses, and other places where the phone’s 
accuracy is pretty bad (sometimes using only triangulation off of cell towers, 
and not able to use GPS at all).

 

These models I mentioned come with a rubber holder which you can strap to your 
wrist or a strap of a bag.  

 

What do you who constantly use some GPS navigation program like Blind Square or 
Nearby Explorer think about their current GPS accuracy and/or battery life?  Do 
either need improving or is the first ok, and the second fixable by carrying a 
spare battery?

 

Thanks,

 

Chip Orange

 

 

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RE: Putting music on an iPhone

[Chip Orange]

If you mean directly connected to the phone, not that I know of (although there 
are micro xd cards which go up to 128gb I think, and you can purchase a usb 
lightning card reader).

However, you can connect external large drives to a pc which is always on, and 
make the drive sharable, or connect such a drive to the usb sharing port of 
many wifi routers (my new router from TPLink has 2 such usb ports, giving you 
an instant sort of NAS).  And of course, you might consider setting up a NAS 
yourself (more trouble to setup, but it's always on and faster and more 
reliable than connecting an external drive to a wifi router).

Hope somewhere in there is the answer you needed?

Chip


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Larry McCreary
Sent: Wednesday, March 22, 2017 12:32 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Putting music on an iPhone

Hello,
Is there a 1 gig drive that can be purchased for the iPhone.  I had an article 
from wsj and I lost it from my email before I had a chance to read it.
Thanks much.On Mar 22, 2017, at 12:22 PM, Chip Orange  
wrote:

> The File Explorer app (which is only around $3) will both move files to your 
> phone, and will also act as a music player for such files, regardless of 
> whether they are located on your phone or on a network share.  
> 
> When I say "move to your phone", this is not in a location usable by Apple 
> Music (as far as I know), but it's quite a nice way to get around Apple music 
> and iTunes.
> 
> Hth,
> 
> Chip
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
> Sieghard Weitzel
> Sent: Monday, March 13, 2017 12:04 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: Putting music on an iPhone
> 
> Music is actually an app not a folder and unfortunately there is no way to 
> get music into the Music app except to use iTunes, buy the music from the 
> iTunes Store or  sign up for Apple Music. Actually if you do have Apple Music 
> and you have some of your own music which is not available from iTunes, you 
> still need to have this music either in iTunes or on your iPhone so it can 
> get uploaded to Apple.
> You can use Dropbox or OneDrive to store you music and then use a different 
> app to play said music, I think one of these apps is called CloudPlayer.
> Having said all this, the latest version of iTunes is actually the most 
> accessible version since iTunes 11 and syncing music is really not very 
> difficult.
> 
> Regards,
> Sieghard
> 
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
> Kay Malmquist
> Sent: Monday, March 13, 2017 8:58 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Putting music on an iPhone
> 
> Hi all,
> Can somebody tell me the easiest way to put music on an iPhone without using 
> iTunes? I have not fed iTunes app for this phone as of yet and would really 
> rather not if it all possible. I would like to music to show up in the music 
> folder if Kathy bowl like it would if you use iTunes. Any help.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
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RE: Apple Introduces Cheapest iPad Yet, Special Edition Red iPhone - Bloomberg

[Pablo Cesar Morales]

Pixel doesn’t have a sd card slot, but it is not the only android device. 
Samsung and many other big cellphone brands creates phones with sd cards. 

Really the problem with apple is that they want to make money with everything, 
and they want to handle what you place in your iPhone memory. With the story 
abour copy rights they have done very difficult for users manage music between 
iPhones, or also between iPhone and other devices. Yes, we can use iTunes to 
transfer music to our iPhones, but use this app is really difficult for 
standard users. More over in android devices you can store there documents of 
all types, you can create folders and subfolders in the same way how we do in 
our computers. In iPhones the story is different. It is one of the reasons why 
I bought an android device. Android and IOs have different politics and 
different cultures. Apple’s culture is money, money and more money. Android’s 
culture is share, share and share again. Apple wants to control so much what we 
do in our devices. Android gives freedom to do what ever you want, and more 
important, in a very easy way.

 

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com   
[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Tuesday, March 21, 2017 8:48 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com  
Subject: RE: Apple Introduces Cheapest iPad Yet, Special Edition Red iPhone - 
Bloomberg

 

Hi Victor,

 

I am not sure if Apple could keep their walled garden concept and offer SD card 
expansion slots. If you allow people to introduce media on an SD card then the 
OS must have access to the folders or maybe it would be more accurate to say 
that Apple would have to give users access to what is on the SD card and that 
would possibly defeat the purpose of the closed nature of the platform. Any SD 
card, even the newest and fastest, would also introduce a lot of latency in how 
fast things get loaded and I think this all goes against what Apple wants to 
achieve. I think actually that even some high-end Android phones are moving 
away from that, but I might be wrong, just something I heard. Does the Google 
Pixel for example have an SD card slot? Lastly, having such an expansion slot 
on an iPad is one thing because there is probably plenty of space, but having 
it on an iPhone is most likely not very practical as there hardly is any space 
left as is and of course making a highly waterproof or water resistant device 
would probably be much more difficult if the device had an SD card slot. 
Personally I have no problem with Apple offering internal memory, I totally 
agree that nowadays 16 Gb doesn’t get you far, but I wonder how many people 
still buy 16 Gb devices if they can get a 64 Gb device (4 times the space) for 
$100 more.

 

Regards,

Sieghard

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com   
[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Victor Gouveia
Sent: Tuesday, March 21, 2017 7:56 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com  
Subject: Re: Apple Introduces Cheapest iPad Yet, Special Edition Red iPhone - 
Bloomberg

 

I don’t agree.  Granted, the 300 dollar price tag is nice, but not with the 
memory it’s offering.

 

I think the 32 and 16 models of any device is outdated, unless it’s got an 
expansion slot for an SD card.

 

Frankly, I’m completely surprised that Apple hasn’t embraced this concept, 
since it would enable them to lower the amount of ROM memory on the device, and 
allow people to expand according to their budget.  Alas, it would seem that 
Apple is destined not to ever get the message.  

 

Victor

 

From: Mr. Ed 

Sent: Tuesday, March 21, 2017 10:40 PM

To: viphone@googlegroups.com   

Subject: RE: Apple Introduces Cheapest iPad Yet, Special Edition Red iPhone - 
Bloomberg

 

Hi Mary,

I would think if you could get a new iPad for $329 that would be a big deal.

Mr. Ed

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com   
[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Mary Otten
Sent: Tuesday, March 21, 2017 9:24 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com  
Subject: Re: Apple Introduces Cheapest iPad Yet, Special Edition Red iPhone - 
Bloomberg

 

These are not big deal upgrades. If they actually introduce a substantial a new 
iPad Pro, I would suppose they would do so with a bit more fanfare. But these 
upgrades are no big deal.
Mary


Sent from my iPhone


On Mar 21, 2017, at 6:48 PM, Sieghard Weitzel  > wrote:

And it’s not even April 1 yet. Is this actually for real? I just heard on the 
Apple Byte Podcast that Digitimes said there would be an event in April where a 
new 10.5 inch iPad Pro would be introduced, hard to believe they would just do 
this without much fanfare, if I remember correctly they did a bit more last yer 
around the iPhone SE..

 

 

From: 

RE: Putting music on an iPhone

[Chip Orange]

The point about the ID3 tags having to be accurate in order for this to work 
may be one of the critical issues that some folks are running into, and 
erroneously attributing to an iTunes problem.

Chip

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Kelly Pierce
Sent: Saturday, March 18, 2017 1:20 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Putting music on an iPhone

As Sieghard said, when itunes is open press alt F to open the file
menu, cursor down to add folder to library or add file to library then
pres enter.  a dialog box appears where the user needs to browse to
the file or folder and select it.  for most people, albums are in
folders and individual audio tracks are single files.  Have the folks
having problems tried these basic steps?


Once added to the library, the audio files will synchronize to the
iPhone when it is connected to the computer and iTunes is open.  What
in the hell is there not to understand?

Kelly

On 3/18/17, 'Carol Pearson' via VIPhone  wrote:
> Sieghard, have you got the program it and put it through its paces! Don't
> forget to let us know what you think when you do…
>
>
>
> Carol P - Sent from my iPhone :)
>
>
> On 16 Mar 2017, at 7:11 am, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
>
> Thanks for the Podcast, I am actually somewhat impressed by this and have
> decided to buy the application in support of the developer, let's hope they
> continue to support and maybe improve this.
> Just as Tom who did the Podcast I have not yet gotten the WiFi sync/transfer
> to work, it may take a sighted person since you have to first connect the
> iPhone and click on a "gear icon" which does not seem to be accessible. This
> is sort of a settings area where you first have to enable the wireless
> connection. It does state in the FAQ that this feature is still in beta, but
> then again I never found iTunes WiFi Sync to work very reliably or, if it
> worked, to be very fast.
>
> I have checked for coupon codes and while there maybe better ones out there,
> I did find one, "WELOVE7LABS" which when you enter it during checkout
> (without the quotation symbols of course) will give you 5% off, it is only
> $2, but then again $2 is better than $0.
>
> Best regards,
> Sieghard
>
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
> Of Robert Doc Wright
> Sent: Wednesday, March 15, 2017 1:22 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Putting music on an iPhone
>
> Here is the podcast you requested.
> ftp://mediareq:sharin...@wrighthere.sytes.net/WALTR-podcast.mp3
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "Sieghard Weitzel" 
> To: 
> Sent: Tuesday, March 14, 2017 10:25 AM
> Subject: RE: Putting music on an iPhone
>
>
> Considering how many people dislike iTunes I am surprised this application
> has not been praised as the reinvention of the wheel with Podcasts about it
>
> and so on. Before I plunk down $40 (I assume that is US Dollars) or $60
> which is the offer if you want free lifetime upgrades I'd really like to
> hear a Podcast done about it. I have tried too many of these all with
> limitations or accessibility issues.
>
> Regards,
> Sieghard
>
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
> Of Robert Doc Wright
> Sent: Tuesday, March 14, 2017 6:32 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Putting music on an iPhone
>
> my brother-in-law does
> - Original Message -
> From: "Sieghard Weitzel" 
> To: 
> Sent: Monday, March 13, 2017 9:22 PM
> Subject: RE: Putting music on an iPhone
>
>
> Do you use this Waltr 2 with Jaws?
>
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
> Of Andrew
> Sent: Monday, March 13, 2017 9:23 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: Putting music on an iPhone
>
> Hello KAY, if you don't mind paying $39.95, there is a great program I use
> named Waltr 2.
>  https://softorino.com/w2
>
> Andrew
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
> Of Kay Malmquist
> Sent: Monday, March 13, 2017 8:58 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Putting music on an iPhone
>
> Hi all,
> Can somebody tell me the easiest way to put music on an iPhone without
> using
> iTunes? I have not fed iTunes app for this phone as of yet and would really
> rather not if it all possible. I would like to music to show up in the
> music
> folder if Kathy bowl like it would if you use iTunes. Any help.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
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RE: Putting music on an iPhone

[Chip Orange]

How do you "import your music"?  Don't you have to use iTunes on your Windows 
pc to do this?

Chip



-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Kliphton Miller
Sent: Thursday, March 16, 2017 11:31 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Putting music on an iPhone

Hmm, just import your music, let it upload, and access it from your phone or 
iPad.  Up to you though.
> On Mar 16, 2017, at 11:22 AM, Mike Ulrich  wrote:
> 
> I appreciate your reply, but I've got a pc based Lenovo laptop and I've tried 
> to figure out how to work with ITunes using my JAWS 16.0; I give up. Way too 
> convoluted
> 
> So I just want to find the best deal on cloud storage, that's also a no 
> problem while using JAWS.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
> Kliphton Miller
> Sent: Thursday, March 16, 2017 11:04 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Putting music on an iPhone
> 
> Why not just subscribe to iTunes Match for 24.99 a year?  It allows up to 100 
> thousand songs, and you can access it from any of your devices, plus, any 
> play lists you create will show up on all your devices, best part, it’s not 
> on your device, you just stream it unless you down load a play list or album 
> for playing without a internet connection.  JMO
>> On Mar 16, 2017, at 7:53 AM, Mike Ulrich  wrote:
>> 
>> What's everyone's thoughts about subscribing to one year of the new Drop 
>> Box? With 1TB of storage for $99.00 a year?
>> 
>> I have a little less than 500 Gigs of music I store on my desktop external 
>> hard drive. I'd love to be able to access this music through my IPhone.
>> If I went with WALT R, I'd have to keep rotating songs out of my IPhone, and 
>> back to my hard drive, and vice versa. So I'm thinking of plunking down a c 
>> note a year and be done with my 16 gig IPhone's storage problems.
>> 
>> What do you all think? Question; I've never really went that far into using 
>> my old Drop Box, which I had accumulated a total of 100 gigs of storage, so 
>> I'm not that familiar with using it.
>> 
>> Would I be easily able to jump into Drop Box, then my Rock Genre, then say 
>> the Van Halen folder, and finally play the whole Van Halen I album?
>> I couldn't figure out, although I really didn't spend a lot of time playing 
>> with it,  how to play a whole album in Drop Box. I'd have to play it song by 
>> song.
>> 
>> Again, what do you all think?
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On 
>> Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel
>> Sent: Thursday, March 16, 2017 3:11 AM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: RE: Putting music on an iPhone
>> 
>> Thanks for the Podcast, I am actually somewhat impressed by this and have 
>> decided to buy the application in support of the developer, let's hope they 
>> continue to support and maybe improve this.
>> Just as Tom who did the Podcast I have not yet gotten the WiFi sync/transfer 
>> to work, it may take a sighted person since you have to first connect the 
>> iPhone and click on a "gear icon" which does not seem to be accessible. This 
>> is sort of a settings area where you first have to enable the wireless 
>> connection. It does state in the FAQ that this feature is still in beta, but 
>> then again I never found iTunes WiFi Sync to work very reliably or, if it 
>> worked, to be very fast.
>> 
>> I have checked for coupon codes and while there maybe better ones out there, 
>> I did find one, "WELOVE7LABS" which when you enter it during checkout 
>> (without the quotation symbols of course) will give you 5% off, it is only 
>> $2, but then again $2 is better than $0.
>> 
>> Best regards,
>> Sieghard
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On 
>> Behalf Of Robert Doc Wright
>> Sent: Wednesday, March 15, 2017 1:22 AM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: Putting music on an iPhone
>> 
>> Here is the podcast you requested.
>> ftp://mediareq:sharin...@wrighthere.sytes.net/WALTR-podcast.mp3
>> 
>> - Original Message -
>> From: "Sieghard Weitzel" 
>> To: 
>> Sent: Tuesday, March 14, 2017 10:25 AM
>> Subject: RE: Putting music on an iPhone
>> 
>> 
>> Considering how many people dislike iTunes I am surprised this 
>> application has not been praised as the reinvention of the wheel with 
>> Podcasts about it and so on. Before I plunk down $40 (I assume that is 
>> US Dollars) or $60 which is the offer if you want free lifetime 
>> upgrades I'd really like to hear a Podcast done about it. I have tried 
>> too many of these all with limitations or accessibility issues.
>> 
>> Regards,
>> Sieghard
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On 
>> Behalf Of 

RE: Conquering Spam

[Sieghard Weitzel]

Same here, occasionally I see one of the ones you mentioned in my junkmail box, 
but most of them (if they are addressed to me) don't even make it that far. 
Most modern email clients like gmail, Outlook etc. should take care of these 
type of messages. 

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Deidre Muccio
Sent: Wednesday, March 22, 2017 9:05 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Conquering Spam

What are you using for email? The native app? Hotmail? Mail on the web?I 
haven't got any of that kind of spam since I left EarthLink or whatever that 
was called about 15 years ago.
Maybe there is some sort of spam filter setting on your phone in your email 
program, which ever one you're using, that would solve the problem. I know you 
Dulce, so I bet my life it's not because you've visited many kinky websites 
that you're getting these kinds of spam messages. Generally, I think that's how 
this sort of stuff comes in, depends on who's got cookies for your having been 
to their website.
Deidre


> On Mar 22, 2017, at 9:47 AM, Dulce Muccio Weisenborn 
>  wrote:
> 
> I'm talking about repeated unsolicited messages about erectile dysfunction, 
> window treatments, Russian girls for sex, cures for Alzheimers, etc.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On 
> Behalf Of rajmund
> Sent: Wednesday, March 22, 2017 7:50 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Conquering Spam
> 
> hi, what form of spam are you asking about,, exactly?
> Sent from Thunderbird
> 
>> On 21/03/17 7:59 PM, Dulce Muccio Weisenborn wrote:
>> What are others doing to reduce Spam on their iPhones?
>> 
>> 
>> 
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Re: Putting music on an iPhone

[Larry McCreary]

Hello,
Is there a 1 gig drive that can be purchased for the iPhone.  I had an article 
from wsj and I lost it from my email before I had a chance to read it.
Thanks much.On Mar 22, 2017, at 12:22 PM, Chip Orange  
wrote:

> The File Explorer app (which is only around $3) will both move files to your 
> phone, and will also act as a music player for such files, regardless of 
> whether they are located on your phone or on a network share.  
> 
> When I say "move to your phone", this is not in a location usable by Apple 
> Music (as far as I know), but it's quite a nice way to get around Apple music 
> and iTunes.
> 
> Hth,
> 
> Chip
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
> Sieghard Weitzel
> Sent: Monday, March 13, 2017 12:04 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: Putting music on an iPhone
> 
> Music is actually an app not a folder and unfortunately there is no way to 
> get music into the Music app except to use iTunes, buy the music from the 
> iTunes Store or  sign up for Apple Music. Actually if you do have Apple Music 
> and you have some of your own music which is not available from iTunes, you 
> still need to have this music either in iTunes or on your iPhone so it can 
> get uploaded to Apple.
> You can use Dropbox or OneDrive to store you music and then use a different 
> app to play said music, I think one of these apps is called CloudPlayer.
> Having said all this, the latest version of iTunes is actually the most 
> accessible version since iTunes 11 and syncing music is really not very 
> difficult.
> 
> Regards,
> Sieghard
> 
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
> Kay Malmquist
> Sent: Monday, March 13, 2017 8:58 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Putting music on an iPhone
> 
> Hi all,
> Can somebody tell me the easiest way to put music on an iPhone without using 
> iTunes? I have not fed iTunes app for this phone as of yet and would really 
> rather not if it all possible. I would like to music to show up in the music 
> folder if Kathy bowl like it would if you use iTunes. Any help.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
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RE: Putting music on an iPhone

[Chip Orange]

The File Explorer app (which is only around $3) will both move files to your 
phone, and will also act as a music player for such files, regardless of 
whether they are located on your phone or on a network share.  

When I say "move to your phone", this is not in a location usable by Apple 
Music (as far as I know), but it's quite a nice way to get around Apple music 
and iTunes.

Hth,

Chip


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Monday, March 13, 2017 12:04 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Putting music on an iPhone

Music is actually an app not a folder and unfortunately there is no way to get 
music into the Music app except to use iTunes, buy the music from the iTunes 
Store or  sign up for Apple Music. Actually if you do have Apple Music and you 
have some of your own music which is not available from iTunes, you still need 
to have this music either in iTunes or on your iPhone so it can get uploaded to 
Apple.
You can use Dropbox or OneDrive to store you music and then use a different app 
to play said music, I think one of these apps is called CloudPlayer.
Having said all this, the latest version of iTunes is actually the most 
accessible version since iTunes 11 and syncing music is really not very 
difficult.

Regards,
Sieghard



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From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Kay Malmquist
Sent: Monday, March 13, 2017 8:58 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Putting music on an iPhone

Hi all,
Can somebody tell me the easiest way to put music on an iPhone without using 
iTunes? I have not fed iTunes app for this phone as of yet and would really 
rather not if it all possible. I would like to music to show up in the music 
folder if Kathy bowl like it would if you use iTunes. Any help.

Sent from my iPhone

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RE: external GPS units for better accuracy and much longer battery life

[Sieghard Weitzel]

I tried an external receiver for a while (it was the one from Garmin called the 
“Glo”) and I never noticed improved accuracy or greatly improved battery life. 
The question is how iOS uses such a receiver, does it indeed completely turn 
off the internal receiver if an external receiver is connected or does it 
simply use both signals. I found the fact that I had to remember to keep the 
external receiver charged and to bring it more trouble than it was worth.

Regards,
Sieghard

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Chip Orange
Sent: Wednesday, March 22, 2017 9:03 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: external GPS units for better accuracy and much longer battery life

Hi all,

I’ve been doing some reading on use of external bluetooth gps receivers, which 
are supposed to have routine accuracy down to 2 meters, and which do not drain 
the battery on your phone because they have their own battery (which you must 
charge separately, nothing is for free!)

One such model is the Dual Electronics xgps 150e ($100), and a slightly faster 
model which allows 5 devices concurrently to pair with it is their xgps 160.

Both the much improved battery life on the phone, and the much better accuracy 
sound interesting to me, so I wondered if anyone here had tried an external gps 
receiver?  They are also supposed to be much more sensitive, working in 
downtowns full of buildings, inside houses, and other places where the phone’s 
accuracy is pretty bad (sometimes using only triangulation off of cell towers, 
and not able to use GPS at all).

These models I mentioned come with a rubber holder which you can strap to your 
wrist or a strap of a bag.

What do you who constantly use some GPS navigation program like Blind Square or 
Nearby Explorer think about their current GPS accuracy and/or battery life?  Do 
either need improving or is the first ok, and the second fixable by carrying a 
spare battery?

Thanks,

Chip Orange


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RE: Wanting to understand wireless hot-spots better

[Chip Orange]

I think she and others were inquiring about "hotspot" devices which you can buy 
in electronics stores, as an alternative to use of your phone for this purpose.

These are cell modems coupled with the electronics to create a wireless access 
point, and for which you must purchase service (one named My-Fi was very 
popular).  You could buy service in small amounts (enough to take it on a 
vacation for instance) without having to sign up for a contractual arrangement, 
or you could sign up to have it pull from a credit card every time you ran out 
of credits.  These were especially popular for those who   purchases a wi-fi 
only iPad or other tablet.  I haven't checked lately to see who is still 
selling these (at one time Virgin Mobile, Track Phone, My-Fi, were just some 
brands selling these devices, which ran around $100 or so).

Hth,

Chip


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Tuesday, March 21, 2017 1:32 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Wanting to understand wireless hot-spots better

Hi Beverly,

When you say " I to only have Internet through my hotspot. I wish I could find 
a company that I could use also" can you explain exactly what you have and are 
looking for? I guess any wireless modem or router creates a hotspot in a way, 
when you turn on Personal Hotspot on your iPhone the phone basically becomes a 
mini wireless router or access point and it allows devices to connect to it 
either by plugging it in to a computer or wirelessly and then said devices can 
access the iPhones internet connection. A wireless modem given to you by your 
internet provider is no different except it usually has some more ports to plug 
things into and it is hardwired to obtain its own internet connection. Such 
modems are either plugged into a phone line which is ADSL or they are modems 
from your cable company where the connection to the internet is provided via 
your cable line or they may be a fibre connection which is the fastest 
connection available. Regardless of which technology is used, ADSL, cable or 
fibre, the modem or router than generates the WiFi network which you connect to 
in your home. 
I left out one more type above and that is the so-called smart hub, some places 
it is called a My-Fi or pocket Wi-Fi. These devices themselves connect to the 
internet wirelessly just as a cell phone does, they typically have a SIM card 
and connect to whichever 3G or 4G/LTE network you buy them from (e.g. Verizon, 
AT, T-Mobile) etc. Then again they generated a WiFi network locally which you 
connect to. These devices are most like what you have when you use your iPhone 
with Personal Hotspot.

Regards,
Sieghard

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Beverly Hunter
Sent: Tuesday, March 21, 2017 5:42 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Wanting to understand wireless hot-spots better

I would be interested in hearing about this as well. I to only have Internet 
through my hotspot. I wish I could find a company that I could use also.


Sent from my iPhone

> On Mar 20, 2017, at 6:39 PM, Ioana Gandrabur  wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> Personal hotspot allows you to share the internet of the phone to other 
> devices. Your phone becomes like a wifi provider. 
> There are also devices that connect to cellular networks and create a wifi 
> network for your devices. With some companies you have to call them to enable 
> personal hotspot and some have extra charges.
> 
> Hope this helps a bit.
> 
> Ioana
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Mar 20, 2017, at 4:50 PM, Terri Stimmel  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Hello everyone,
>> 
>> 
>> I have an older gentleman friend, who has an iPhone 5S, I believe. 
>> Technology tends to make him a bit nervous. But he tries hard to 
>> understand things.
>> 
>> 
>> He wants to get a wireless hot-spot for his home, because he doesn't 
>> have internet from 1 of the companies that are offered out here.
>> 
>> 
>> I want to help him out, and I can usually answer a lot of his questions. 
>> But this is 1 I don't really understand myself.
>> 
>> 
>> How does a hot-spot work?
>> 
>> Don't you already have to have internet, in order to be able to use a 
>> wireless hot-spot?
>> 
>> I know that on our phones, there is an option to turn wireless 
>> hot-spot on. But I thought that you could use your phone like this, 
>> if you were in public, and you wanted to connect to the WIFI that was 
>> there, wherever you were.
>> 
>> Is this not the case?
>> 
>> 
>> He told me he bought a hot-spot from Walmart a few days ago, but that 
>> he was going to return it. When I asked him why, he said that it 
>> didn't offer good enough range. I don't know enough, or much at all 
>> honestly, on this subject, in order to help him.
>> 
>> His phone is the only thing he has at the moment, for internet. His 

RE: Apple Introduces Cheapest iPad Yet, Special Edition Red iPhone - Bloomberg

[Sieghard Weitzel]

What is bluetooth removeable media?

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Fazil M.
Sent: Tuesday, March 21, 2017 10:53 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Apple Introduces Cheapest iPad Yet, Special Edition Red iPhone - 
Bloomberg

Don’t we have or likely to have in future Bluetooth removable media?
Thanks!

From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Tuesday, March 21, 2017 8:48 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Apple Introduces Cheapest iPad Yet, Special Edition Red iPhone - 
Bloomberg

Hi Victor,

I am not sure if Apple could keep their walled garden concept and offer SD card 
expansion slots. If you allow people to introduce media on an SD card then the 
OS must have access to the folders or maybe it would be more accurate to say 
that Apple would have to give users access to what is on the SD card and that 
would possibly defeat the purpose of the closed nature of the platform. Any SD 
card, even the newest and fastest, would also introduce a lot of latency in how 
fast things get loaded and I think this all goes against what Apple wants to 
achieve. I think actually that even some high-end Android phones are moving 
away from that, but I might be wrong, just something I heard. Does the Google 
Pixel for example have an SD card slot? Lastly, having such an expansion slot 
on an iPad is one thing because there is probably plenty of space, but having 
it on an iPhone is most likely not very practical as there hardly is any space 
left as is and of course making a highly waterproof or water resistant device 
would probably be much more difficult if the device had an SD card slot. 
Personally I have no problem with Apple offering internal memory, I totally 
agree that nowadays 16 Gb doesn’t get you far, but I wonder how many people 
still buy 16 Gb devices if they can get a 64 Gb device (4 times the space) for 
$100 more.

Regards,
Sieghard

From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Victor Gouveia
Sent: Tuesday, March 21, 2017 7:56 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Apple Introduces Cheapest iPad Yet, Special Edition Red iPhone - 
Bloomberg

I don’t agree.  Granted, the 300 dollar price tag is nice, but not with the 
memory it’s offering.

I think the 32 and 16 models of any device is outdated, unless it’s got an 
expansion slot for an SD card.

Frankly, I’m completely surprised that Apple hasn’t embraced this concept, 
since it would enable them to lower the amount of ROM memory on the device, and 
allow people to expand according to their budget.  Alas, it would seem that 
Apple is destined not to ever get the message.

Victor

From: Mr. Ed
Sent: Tuesday, March 21, 2017 10:40 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Apple Introduces Cheapest iPad Yet, Special Edition Red iPhone - 
Bloomberg

Hi Mary,
I would think if you could get a new iPad for $329 that would be a big deal.
Mr. Ed

From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Mary Otten
Sent: Tuesday, March 21, 2017 9:24 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Apple Introduces Cheapest iPad Yet, Special Edition Red iPhone - 
Bloomberg

These are not big deal upgrades. If they actually introduce a substantial a new 
iPad Pro, I would suppose they would do so with a bit more fanfare. But these 
upgrades are no big deal.
Mary

Sent from my iPhone

On Mar 21, 2017, at 6:48 PM, Sieghard Weitzel 
> wrote:
And it’s not even April 1 yet. Is this actually for real? I just heard on the 
Apple Byte Podcast that Digitimes said there would be an event in April where a 
new 10.5 inch iPad Pro would be introduced, hard to believe they would just do 
this without much fanfare, if I remember correctly they did a bit more last yer 
around the iPhone SE..


From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Marissa Solaun
Sent: Tuesday, March 21, 2017 3:37 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Apple Introduces Cheapest iPad Yet, Special Edition Red iPhone - 
Bloomberg

May be of interest to those seeking a red iPhone 7/7+
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2017-03-21/apple-introduces-cheapest-ipad-yet-special-edition-red-iphone
Apple Introduces Cheapest iPad Yet, Special Edition Red iPhone
More stories by Alex 
Webb

Apple Inc. introduced a revamped 
version of its most popular-sized iPad at the cheapest price yet, and a shiny 
red iPhone 7, whose sales will help to combat AIDS.

Apple unveiled a 

RE: Help with FTP client pro?

[Chip Orange]

I just thought I’d mention that I looked into one of the ftp apps, and then I 
found out that the File Explorer pro app (which I had purchased to access files 
on my network shares) will also handle FTP; it’s a great deal in my opinion.

 

Chip

 

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Kliphton Miller
Sent: Wednesday, March 22, 2017 7:23 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Help with FTP client pro?

 

Could the person who suggested ftp client pro contact me off list please, need 
a little help with it.

kliph...@icloud.com

Thanks.

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Re: Conquering Spam

[Deidre Muccio]

What are you using for email? The native app? Hotmail? Mail on the web?I 
haven't got any of that kind of spam since I left EarthLink or whatever that 
was called about 15 years ago.
Maybe there is some sort of spam filter setting on your phone in your email 
program, which ever one you're using, that would solve the problem. I know you 
Dulce, so I bet my life it's not because you've visited many kinky websites 
that you're getting these kinds of spam messages. Generally, I think that's how 
this sort of stuff comes in, depends on who's got cookies for your having been 
to their website.
Deidre


> On Mar 22, 2017, at 9:47 AM, Dulce Muccio Weisenborn 
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> I'm talking about repeated unsolicited messages about erectile dysfunction, 
> window treatments, Russian girls for sex, cures for Alzheimers, etc.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
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> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
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> 
> hi, what form of spam are you asking about,, exactly?
> Sent from Thunderbird
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external GPS units for better accuracy and much longer battery life

[Chip Orange]

Hi all,

 

I've been doing some reading on use of external bluetooth gps receivers,
which are supposed to have routine accuracy down to 2 meters, and which do
not drain the battery on your phone because they have their own battery
(which you must charge separately, nothing is for free!)

 

One such model is the Dual Electronics xgps 150e ($100), and a slightly
faster model which allows 5 devices concurrently to pair with it is their
xgps 160.

 

Both the much improved battery life on the phone, and the much better
accuracy sound interesting to me, so I wondered if anyone here had tried an
external gps receiver?  They are also supposed to be much more sensitive,
working in downtowns full of buildings, inside houses, and other places
where the phone's accuracy is pretty bad (sometimes using only triangulation
off of cell towers, and not able to use GPS at all).

 

These models I mentioned come with a rubber holder which you can strap to
your wrist or a strap of a bag.  

 

What do you who constantly use some GPS navigation program like Blind Square
or Nearby Explorer think about their current GPS accuracy and/or battery
life?  Do either need improving or is the first ok, and the second fixable
by carrying a spare battery?

 

Thanks,

 

Chip Orange

 

 

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RE: Conquering Spam

[Dulce Muccio Weisenborn]

I'm talking about repeated unsolicited messages about erectile dysfunction, 
window treatments, Russian girls for sex, cures for Alzheimers, etc.

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hi, what form of spam are you asking about,, exactly?
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RE: Do Not Disturb, was no subject

[Cher Bosch]

That certainly does- thanks! I see that if your phone is plugged in, the call 
will still come through because the screen is not locked while Siri is turned 
on and listening. Also, apparently having the setting turned on to allow 
favorites to ring through is the default now- at least I never had this problem 
before.

Cher


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Wayne Merritt
Sent: Tuesday, March 21, 2017 9:35 AM
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Subject: Re: Do Not Disturb, was no subject

Greetings. I use Do Not Disturb regularly. If you want to change settings for 
it go to Do Not Disturb in the iOS Settings. You can switch on or off several 
controls, including allowing calls from favorites, allowing repeated calls made 
within a few minutes, and so forth. You can set it up to be on a certain 
schedule, like if you want Do Not Disturb active from 10p to 7a every night. 
Unfortunately, you cannot set a different schedule for weekends and for 
weekdays. To control whether individual contacts can bypass the DND setting, 
you need to go to the contacts on your device, choose the contact, and then hit 
edit. There will be a button that appears near the top of the screen labeled 
something like, "Bypass Do Not Disturb." When turned on, it will do exactly 
that. If you have set a text tone for the person, then I have found that when 
their message comes through, the associated text tone will play as well, 
regarless if DND is on or not.
Sometimes I have been in meetings and had DND on, but then a text tone plays 
for one of the VIP contacts which I have allowed the bypass for.
Also, even if your device is muted and DND is not turned on, the text toen will 
play.

Hope this helps,
Wayne

On 3/20/17, Arnold Schmidt  wrote:
> It has been a while since I read about it, maybe it has changed. But I 
> surely thought it silenced phone calls, too. I thought I remembered 
> that there was a way to enter numbers that you wanted to get through 
> as a matter of record, and the provision that if the same number 
> called within a minute, or something like that, it would also get 
> through. Perhaps things have changed with one of the recent updates. I rarely 
> use do not disturb.
>
> Arnold Schmidt
>
> Sent from  Arnold's  iPhone
>
> On Mar 20, 2017, at 5:07 PM, Cher Bosch 
> wrote:
>
> I thought ‘do not disturb’ would turn off phone calls also-but 
> apparently not. So, what does this setting do and how do you really silence 
> the phone?
>
> Cher
> your phone
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Re: Conquering Spam

[Deidre Muccio]

I use Outlook on my desktop computer and I get no spam. I also get no spam on 
my iPhone and all I have is the native mail app that I'm using with a Gmail 
address.

Deidre


> On Mar 21, 2017, at 4:36 PM, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
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> Are you talking about email SPAM? If so then I don’t think this has anything 
> to do with the iPhone but with the email account itself. I use Outlook.com 
> and it seems to do a pretty good job filtering out spam, I usually have 
> anywhere from 4 to 10 messages in my junkmail folder every few days, I 
> briefly review them to make sure there isn’t anything in there that shouldn’t 
> be and then I delete them.
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Re: Conquering Spam

[rajmund]

hi, what form of spam are you asking about,, exactly?
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What are others doing to reduce Spam on their iPhones?



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