Re: where will you purchase the iPhone 5s

[Brice Smith]

I'm planning on purchasing the unlocked device only, but I'm not sure
if I should go to an Apple store or order it online. I would really
like to get it this weekend, as I'm busy with work and travel after
that and I have some time to set it up now. Part of me really hates
the idea of actually standing in a line to buy a cell phone when it
first comes out.

Does anyone know how long it generally takes for Apple to ship the
first batch of phones if you order online? I've heard that if you
order online at 3:00 a.m. EST on Friday, you can't select an option to
pick up in-store later that day. so if you want an unlocked phone
during the weekend, it looks like your choices are:

1) Order online when it comes out and hope it ships quickly.
2) Stand in-line.
3) Hope your phone is still available when you get off work Friday or Saturday.

When I ordered my 4S online, it took about two weeks to ship from China.

Brice

On 9/16/13, Raul A. Gallegos r...@raulgallegos.com wrote:
 Hi all. Just curious about what different people will do when it comes
 time to purchasing the iPhone 5s. Oh, and before I go on, just a point
 to note, the s in the name 5s is lower-case because if it's a capital S
 it looks too much like the number 5 visually, so Apple made it a small s
 on purpose. So, the correct way of writing it is iPhone 5s. Anyway,
 since you cannot pre-order the 5s, will you go to your local phone
 carrier store, or to the Apple store? I'm just curious as to whether
 people will go this Friday and wait long lines like Black Friday in the
 US, or if they will wait a few days until the lines get less.

 I'm pretty excited myself because this will be my first time getting a
 new phone the day it comes out. In the past I've gotten it when it was
 an afterthought, or in the case of the 4s, when it had been out for
 about 4 months already. usually I wait in case there are initial
 problems found with the first batch of hardware, but this time around
 I'm diving in with my eyes closed as the saying goes.

 Although all members are welcome to respond, I'm hoping that only people
 who are getting the 5s will respond to this thread since I'm not asking
 about whether it's a good idea, or if the 4s is better, or if we should
 stay with what we have. This is because there are other viphone threads
 which have already covered this.

 Cheers.

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Speaker Phone with Voiceover

[Brice Smith]

Hi, everyone.

Sometimes, my phone switches to speaker phone automatically when I
double tap to answer a call and bring the phone to my ear. This only
started happening after I updated to IOS 7. Before that, I could
always double tap, immediately lift the phone to my ear and start
talking with the speaker phone reliably turned off. Now, my phone will
occasionally switch to speaker phone even when the phone is next to my
head when I've just started a call.

I use my phone for work so this inconsistency is really frustrating.
Is anyone else experiencing the same problem?

Thanks,
Brice

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Re: Speaker Phone with Voiceover

[Brice Smith]

Hi,

I have a 4S, but I just ordered an unlocked gold 5s. It's not going to
ship until October, so if this continues or gets worse I'm going to
have to do something about it. I'm fairly happy with IOS 7 but I
really can't put up with this much longer.

I would rather tap on the speaker phone button when I need it. This is
something I really can't stand about the design. Even if you're phone
is on speaker phone and you move your hand near the mouth piece, the
phone will automatically switch back which is also frustrating. I
can't believe there's still not a way to disable this.

Brice

On 9/22/13, Sieghard Weitzel siegh...@live.ca wrote:
 Hello Brice,

 Yes, on my 4S this happens a lot especially during the first 10 or so
 seconds of a call. However, I had this problem with iOS 6 as well, in fact,
 I received a replacement 4S 64 Gb back in March because my camera wasn't
 auto focusing any more and my old 4S was much better with that. Which phone
 do you have, a 4, 4S, 5 or a brandnew 5C or 5S?
 I would be interested  to hear from people who already have their 5S if
 anybody has that issue.

 I actually think Apple should completely remove this automatic switching to
 speakerphone. I don't understand why I can't tap the Speakerphone button
 just like any sighted person if I want my call on Speakerphone and this
 would completely get rid of this issue which has been an issue to some
 degree for certain people for the last 4 years. What does everybody else
 think, would you prefer to have to double tap on the Speakerphone button or
 would you prefer to keep the automatic switching as is?


 Regards,
 Sieghard


 -Original Message-
 From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
 Of Brice Smith
 Sent: Sunday, September 22, 2013 12:32 PM
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Speaker Phone with Voiceover

 Hi, everyone.

 Sometimes, my phone switches to speaker phone automatically when I double
 tap to answer a call and bring the phone to my ear. This only started
 happening after I updated to IOS 7. Before that, I could always double tap,
 immediately lift the phone to my ear and start talking with the speaker
 phone reliably turned off. Now, my phone will occasionally switch to
 speaker
 phone even when the phone is next to my head when I've just started a call.

 I use my phone for work so this inconsistency is really frustrating.
 Is anyone else experiencing the same problem?

 Thanks,
 Brice

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Re: Speaker Phone with Voiceover

[Brice Smith]

Thanks, Sieghard. I'll write to Apple. I don't know what good it will
do, but something is better than nothing. In the mean time, I wonder
if I should just start triple clicking the home button when my phone
rings so it won't automatically switch to speaker phone, but then I
won't be able to use the two finger double tap gesture to actually
answer the call if VO is turned off.

I'm in North Carolina in the United States. Yep, the online orders for
the gold phone slipped to October at 3:25 a.m. Eastern, 25 minutes
after it went on sale. Guess who ordered his phone online exactly at
3:25 a.m.?

I guess the color doesn't really matter but still, I want gold for
something different. I'm hoping October changes soon and I don't
have to wait several weeks. I'm also planning on checking my local
store now and then to see if they have any models. IMO, Apple really
messed up this launch with the gold phone. Since I purchase device
only, I could always go in store and then cancel the online order with
no repercussions if that option becomes available.

Brice

On 9/22/13, Sieghard Weitzel siegh...@live.ca wrote:
 Hi Brice,

 Yes, I agree, at least Apple could maybe allow people to turn this
 automatic
 switching on and off in Accessibility Settings. Hopefully you will take a
 few minutes to write to accessibil...@apple.com and express this, I have
 done so once before some time back and plan to do so again and hopefully a
 lot of other people will join us.

 I also ordered an unlocked 5S on Friday, but while I had planned to get the
 Gold one as well I decided to go with the Black/Space Grey one again since
 it only showed a 7-10 day lead time and I didn't want to wait 6 or 7 weeks.
 Are you in Canada, the States or elsewhere in the world? Apple told me on
 the phone that October means it might not ship until the end of October
 which means I would get it at the beginning of November. Of course it could
 also ship the first week of October and 10 business days for my Space Grey
 one means it could also ship as late as October 4, but hopefully it will be
 sooner.

 I read on the Today in iOS website that 5S availability at Apple Stores
 around the world was miserable and some stores had none or maybe only 1 or
 2
 Gold 64 Gig phones. Apparently the Apple Store in Sidney Australia had an
 800 meter line up, ann entire half mile.


 Regards,
 Sieghard


 -Original Message-
 From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
 Of Brice Smith
 Sent: Sunday, September 22, 2013 1:10 PM
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Re: Speaker Phone with Voiceover

 Hi,

 I have a 4S, but I just ordered an unlocked gold 5s. It's not going to ship
 until October, so if this continues or gets worse I'm going to have to do
 something about it. I'm fairly happy with IOS 7 but I really can't put up
 with this much longer.

 I would rather tap on the speaker phone button when I need it. This is
 something I really can't stand about the design. Even if you're phone is on
 speaker phone and you move your hand near the mouth piece, the phone will
 automatically switch back which is also frustrating. I can't believe
 there's
 still not a way to disable this.

 Brice

 On 9/22/13, Sieghard Weitzel siegh...@live.ca wrote:
 Hello Brice,

 Yes, on my 4S this happens a lot especially during the first 10 or so
 seconds of a call. However, I had this problem with iOS 6 as well, in
 fact, I received a replacement 4S 64 Gb back in March because my
 camera wasn't auto focusing any more and my old 4S was much better
 with that. Which phone do you have, a 4, 4S, 5 or a brandnew 5C or 5S?
 I would be interested  to hear from people who already have their 5S
 if anybody has that issue.

 I actually think Apple should completely remove this automatic
 switching to speakerphone. I don't understand why I can't tap the
 Speakerphone button just like any sighted person if I want my call on
 Speakerphone and this would completely get rid of this issue which has
 been an issue to some degree for certain people for the last 4 years.
 What does everybody else think, would you prefer to have to double tap
 on the Speakerphone button or would you prefer to keep the automatic
 switching as is?


 Regards,
 Sieghard


 -Original Message-
 From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On
 Behalf Of Brice Smith
 Sent: Sunday, September 22, 2013 12:32 PM
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Speaker Phone with Voiceover

 Hi, everyone.

 Sometimes, my phone switches to speaker phone automatically when I
 double tap to answer a call and bring the phone to my ear. This only
 started happening after I updated to IOS 7. Before that, I could
 always double tap, immediately lift the phone to my ear and start
 talking with the speaker phone reliably turned off. Now, my phone will
 occasionally switch to speaker phone even when the phone is next to my
 head when I've just started a call.

 I use my phone for work so

Re: no unlocked 5s when ordering from the Apple Store

[Brice Smith]

This is correct. In the US, you now have several options for buying an
unlocked phone:

1) Buy the t-mobile, device only phone on apple.com. You'll pay the
full price, and it will come with a t-mobile sim already., but it's
fully unlocked and you can use whatever sim you want with it.

2) Go to an Apple store and buy, device only at full/unsubsidized
price, either the ATT phone or the Tmobile one.

You can also buy the Verizon model at full price, device only, from an
Apple store in the US. The advantage is that you have access to the
CDMA bands in addition to the GSM bands. However, I'm not sure if you
must activate the phone on Verizon before you can use it.

Again, if you buy device only from Apple, your phone is unlocked. If
you buy from a phone carrier, even at full price, your phone will be
locked.

Apple really doesn't advertise this stuff, probably because of
agreements with carriers, the general public not knowing/caring what
unlocked means, and to prevent people from buying tons of device only
ATT/Tmobile phones from Apple stores and selling them overseas.

Brice

On 9/23/13, Sieghard Weitzel siegh...@live.ca wrote:
 They are also always available in Canada right from day 1. I can say this
 for sure because I preordered my unlocked 4S 2 years ago and just bought an
 unlocked 5S 64 Gb on Friday.
 Now, I exchanged a few messages with a gentleman named Brice last week who
 I
 believe was from North or South Carolina and I could swear that he told me
 he had ordered an unlocked 5S Gold from Apple.


 Regards,
 Sieghard

 -Original Message-
 From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
 Of Mike Arrigo
 Sent: Monday, September 23, 2013 7:11 AM
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Re: no unlocked 5s when ordering from the Apple Store

 For some reason, the unlocked version of the phones does not appear until a
 month or 2 later. That's kind of surprising since they are definitely made,
 they are already available in Europe. You could probably get one from ebay
 but you may end up paying more for it.
 Original message:
 I didn't rush to order the 5s this time. But, rather, finding that
 none of my family members would want my 4S, I decided to hold off a
 bit, and maybe even go to the Apple Store or ATT store in person to
 see if I would get some sort of trade-in value for my old phone.

 But, just for the fun of it, I decided to go online last night and
 check the Apple Store here in the United States. And, when I did, I
 saw that one is still able to purchase and unlocked 5c, but not an
 unlocked 5s. Oh, well, I probably would have purchased from my
 carrier, anyway, but was thinking they might offer the unlocked 5s for
 those who wanted it right away.

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Re: Speaker Phone with Voiceover

[Brice Smith]

How can non-VO users use this feature?

If you turn voiceover off and take the phone away from your ear, it
doesn't automatically switch to speaker phone. Likewise, if the
speaker phone is activated and you triple click VO off and move the
phone toward your ear, the ear piece does not automatically activate.
Please clarify.

Thanks,
Brice

On 9/23/13, Cara Quinn modelc...@gmail.com wrote:
 I'm not sure where this is coming from that this is only a VO feature.

 Non-VO users can have auto-switching as well.

 I personally have always liked this feature and would never never never want
 to see it go! :)

 A setting would certainly be welcome but that would be as far as I
 personally would go. :)

 Great topic all, and have an awesome day!

 Smiles,

 Cara :)
 On Sep 23, 2013, at 6:55 AM, Rick Alfaro rick.alf...@gmail.com wrote:

 Hi Sieghard. Personally, I really like the auto switching so I don't have
 to
 worry about finding the speaker phone button. I haven't had much trouble at
 all with this feature malfunctioning.  This is on my 4s, let's see how the
 5s does with this.



 Best regards,

 Rick Alfaro


 -Original Message-
 From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
 Of Sieghard Weitzel
 Sent: Sunday, September 22, 2013 3:56 PM
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Subject: RE: Speaker Phone with Voiceover

 Hello Brice,

 Yes, on my 4S this happens a lot especially during the first 10 or so
 seconds of a call. However, I had this problem with iOS 6 as well, in fact,
 I received a replacement 4S 64 Gb back in March because my camera wasn't
 auto focusing any more and my old 4S was much better with that. Which phone
 do you have, a 4, 4S, 5 or a brandnew 5C or 5S?
 I would be interested  to hear from people who already have their 5S if
 anybody has that issue.

 I actually think Apple should completely remove this automatic switching to
 speakerphone. I don't understand why I can't tap the Speakerphone button
 just like any sighted person if I want my call on Speakerphone and this
 would completely get rid of this issue which has been an issue to some
 degree for certain people for the last 4 years. What does everybody else
 think, would you prefer to have to double tap on the Speakerphone button or
 would you prefer to keep the automatic switching as is?


 Regards,
 Sieghard


 -Original Message-
 From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
 Of Brice Smith
 Sent: Sunday, September 22, 2013 12:32 PM
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Speaker Phone with Voiceover

 Hi, everyone.

 Sometimes, my phone switches to speaker phone automatically when I double
 tap to answer a call and bring the phone to my ear. This only started
 happening after I updated to IOS 7. Before that, I could always double tap,
 immediately lift the phone to my ear and start talking with the speaker
 phone reliably turned off. Now, my phone will occasionally switch to
 speaker
 phone even when the phone is next to my head when I've just started a call.

 I use my phone for work so this inconsistency is really frustrating.
 Is anyone else experiencing the same problem?

 Thanks,
 Brice

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Re: no unlocked 5s when ordering from the Apple Store

[Brice Smith]

Verizon's iPhones are required by the FCC to be SIM unlocked. Google
this for more information. The SIM tray in the Verizon iPhone 5 and
later is GSM unlocked. Remember though, that Verizon uses CDMA for its
own network.

Posters on Macrumors forums have said they have walked out of the
Appple store after purchasing a Verizon 5s without needing to activate
on Verizon's network, and their SIM tray (for ATT/Tmobile) is
unlocked.

This link (iPhone 5) explains more:
http://www.engadget.com/2012/09/21/verizon-iphone-5-unlocked-att-t-mobile-video/

And this explains even more:
http://www.slashgear.com/iphone-5-to-remain-gsm-unlocked-at-verizon-24248997/

Also, buying an ATT 5S model from Apple directly at full price and
restoring it on iTunes will also unlock the device. This has also been
confirmed online.

There's a lot of information out there about this stuffnews sites,
forum posters and even Apple store employees all tell you different
things, depending on who you ask. So don't listen to me. Do your own
research and hopefully you'll end up with what you want.

Brice

On 9/23/13, Kramlinger, Keith G., M.D. kramlinger.ke...@mayo.edu wrote:
 OK, now I'm confused again.

 I was under the impression that once on Verizon CDMA, one could never unlock
 and transfer to another carrier that was GSM. Is this not the case?

 Here's the info from the original message that's confusing to me. I
 certainly would like to unlock my Verizon phone when off contract and look
 to another carrier if possible.

 You can also buy the Verizon model at full price, device only, from an Apple
 store in the US. The advantage is that you have access to the CDMA bands in
 addition to the GSM bands. However, I'm not sure if you must activate the
 phone on Verizon before you can use it.

 Thanks.

 -Original Message-
 From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
 Of Brice Smith
 Sent: Monday, September 23, 2013 2:30 PM
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Re: no unlocked 5s when ordering from the Apple Store

 This is correct. In the US, you now have several options for buying an
 unlocked phone:

 1) Buy the t-mobile, device only phone on apple.com. You'll pay the
 full price, and it will come with a t-mobile sim already., but it's
 fully unlocked and you can use whatever sim you want with it.

 2) Go to an Apple store and buy, device only at full/unsubsidized
 price, either the ATT phone or the Tmobile one.

 You can also buy the Verizon model at full price, device only, from an
 Apple store in the US. The advantage is that you have access to the
 CDMA bands in addition to the GSM bands. However, I'm not sure if you
 must activate the phone on Verizon before you can use it.

 Again, if you buy device only from Apple, your phone is unlocked. If
 you buy from a phone carrier, even at full price, your phone will be
 locked.

 Apple really doesn't advertise this stuff, probably because of
 agreements with carriers, the general public not knowing/caring what
 unlocked means, and to prevent people from buying tons of device only
 ATT/Tmobile phones from Apple stores and selling them overseas.

 Brice

 On 9/23/13, Sieghard Weitzel siegh...@live.ca wrote:
 They are also always available in Canada right from day 1. I can say this
 for sure because I preordered my unlocked 4S 2 years ago and just bought
 an
 unlocked 5S 64 Gb on Friday.
 Now, I exchanged a few messages with a gentleman named Brice last week
 who
 I
 believe was from North or South Carolina and I could swear that he told
 me
 he had ordered an unlocked 5S Gold from Apple.


 Regards,
 Sieghard

 -Original Message-
 From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On
 Behalf
 Of Mike Arrigo
 Sent: Monday, September 23, 2013 7:11 AM
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Re: no unlocked 5s when ordering from the Apple Store

 For some reason, the unlocked version of the phones does not appear until
 a
 month or 2 later. That's kind of surprising since they are definitely
 made,
 they are already available in Europe. You could probably get one from
 ebay
 but you may end up paying more for it.
 Original message:
 I didn't rush to order the 5s this time. But, rather, finding that
 none of my family members would want my 4S, I decided to hold off a
 bit, and maybe even go to the Apple Store or ATT store in person to
 see if I would get some sort of trade-in value for my old phone.

 But, just for the fun of it, I decided to go online last night and
 check the Apple Store here in the United States. And, when I did, I
 saw that one is still able to purchase and unlocked 5c, but not an
 unlocked 5s. Oh, well, I probably would have purchased from my
 carrier, anyway, but was thinking they might offer the unlocked 5s for
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Re: VO sounds

[Brice Smith]

I love being able to turn VO sounds on and off. It might be one of my
favorite, most used features of IOS 7. I often want to silence the
ringer and text message volume but keep VO clicks on. I use VO sounds
for orientation purposes and always felt disoriented when they weren't
on before.

For those who find this inconvenient, remember that the real purpose
of the mute switch is to silence ringer and text alerts, not to make
the phone truly silent. In fact, vibration alerts can be more annoying
than ringing alerts for some people. Also, if the mute switch is down
but voiceover is still on and at a loud volume, you'll still hear it
speak at that loud volume if you unlock the phone, check the time,
ETC. Mentally, I think it's most helpful to think of the mute switch
as just that: a switch that mutes the ringer/phone noise. If you want
total silence, turn the phone off.

Brice

On 10/6/13, Sieghard Weitzel siegh...@live.ca wrote:
 Hi Cara,

 I can see how maybe Voiceover sounds should be linked to the Mute switch as
 was the case before iOS 7, but I think I remember several posts where
 people
 actually thought it was nice that now this was no longer the case and that
 one could mute the phone (ringer and alerts) yet still get Voiceover
 sounds.

 As for having Voiceover linked to the mute switch, I don't think you'll
 find
 too much support for that. In any case, it's not really a big deal to press
 power or home to bring up the lock screen and then to turn speech off with
 a
 3-finger double tap which always has and still works fine.


 Regards,
 Sieghard

 -Original Message-
 From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
 Of Cara Quinn
 Sent: Sunday, October 06, 2013 12:27 PM
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Re: VO sounds

 Hi shane,

 I personally wish that I could continue to have my VO sounds linked with my
 mute switch. I basically need to do several more steps now to toggle the
 sounds off (even with sounds in the rotor) whereas before, I could simply
 flip the mute switch.

 For myself, when I have my mute switch set to mute, I really want that
 actually to mean that things are muted. :) Not to mean that now there are a
 whole other set of sounds still going on. IN fact, since we're on the
 subject, I'd also wish I could have my VoiceOver speech obey the mute
 switch
 as well.

 For my uses, it is just more steps to do the same thing. So while I'm glad
 that people are happy with the extra settings, for myself, I'd prefer it to
 obey the mute setting. Sometimes having more settings just to have more
 settings is not always a desirable or sane thing to do. :)

 Now, I chose not to beta test, this cycle, but you can be sure I won't make
 that mistake again. :)

 Just my thoughts.

 Smiles,

 Cara :)
 On Oct 6, 2013, at 11:53 AM, Shane clark hshanecl...@gmail.com wrote:

 Hi all,
 So I'm just curious, how do yall like the ability to turn VO sounds on/off?
 I currently have my ringer turned on, with the VoiceOver sounds turned off,
 so I'm just hearing the normal iPhone clicks. I'm kind of used to hearing
 both the iPhone clicks and the VO sounds as well, so I am more or less
 trying to play around with the different settings.
 What do you think of these settings, and how do you prefer to have your
 phone set?
 Thanks.

 Sent from my iPhone

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Re: VO sounds

[Brice Smith]

I suppose I don't really understand how VO sounds factor into
disruptions during meetings.

If you have the mute switch down with VO sounds still on, the ringer
volume is of course on vibrate. You will only hear a noise if you
flick right or left on the screen with voiceover, unless you turn VO
clicks off. What has burned me in the past in meetings is when I've
failed to turn the VO volume down on the phone with the physical
volume buttonsso even if I'm in vibrate mode, VO might loudly read
10:03, one notification for the entire room to hear, vibrate mode or
not. This is why I always turn the vibrate switch on, and I also take
the added step of turning VO volume down very low before I go
somewhere.

But I still don't understand how the VO clicks themselves are
inconveniencing people. They are not very loud or noticeable. They are
certainly nowhere near as disrupting as a loud Samantha that hasn't
been turned down.


On 10/6/13, Christopher Chaltain chalt...@gmail.com wrote:
 I agree completely with Cara here. I want to be able to hit the mute
 button and turn off all sounds and VoiceOver. I don't want to be in a
 meeting and realize I forgot to turn off the sounds on my phone and have
 to unlock it so I can turn it off or go into settings to turn sounds
 off. I don't always want to turn the phone off because I may want to
 quickly look something up, check for messages or take a quick note. It
 may be true that the mute button just turns off the ringer and alerts,
 but those are the sounds a phone makes when VoiceOver isn't on. I think
 the real purpose of the mute button, as used by sighted users, is to
 mute the phone, i.e. turn all sounds off. The vibration may bother some,
 but if the phone is in my pocket, it's much less bothersome to those
 around me than having VoiceOver go off and start reading an alert.

 On 10/06/2013 07:21 PM, Brice Smith wrote:
 I love being able to turn VO sounds on and off. It might be one of my
 favorite, most used features of IOS 7. I often want to silence the
 ringer and text message volume but keep VO clicks on. I use VO sounds
 for orientation purposes and always felt disoriented when they weren't
 on before.

 For those who find this inconvenient, remember that the real purpose
 of the mute switch is to silence ringer and text alerts, not to make
 the phone truly silent. In fact, vibration alerts can be more annoying
 than ringing alerts for some people. Also, if the mute switch is down
 but voiceover is still on and at a loud volume, you'll still hear it
 speak at that loud volume if you unlock the phone, check the time,
 ETC. Mentally, I think it's most helpful to think of the mute switch
 as just that: a switch that mutes the ringer/phone noise. If you want
 total silence, turn the phone off.

 Brice

 On 10/6/13, Sieghard Weitzel siegh...@live.ca wrote:
 Hi Cara,

 I can see how maybe Voiceover sounds should be linked to the Mute switch
 as
 was the case before iOS 7, but I think I remember several posts where
 people
 actually thought it was nice that now this was no longer the case and
 that
 one could mute the phone (ringer and alerts) yet still get Voiceover
 sounds.

 As for having Voiceover linked to the mute switch, I don't think you'll
 find
 too much support for that. In any case, it's not really a big deal to
 press
 power or home to bring up the lock screen and then to turn speech off
 with
 a
 3-finger double tap which always has and still works fine.


 Regards,
 Sieghard

 -Original Message-
 From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On
 Behalf
 Of Cara Quinn
 Sent: Sunday, October 06, 2013 12:27 PM
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Re: VO sounds

 Hi shane,

 I personally wish that I could continue to have my VO sounds linked with
 my
 mute switch. I basically need to do several more steps now to toggle the
 sounds off (even with sounds in the rotor) whereas before, I could
 simply
 flip the mute switch.

 For myself, when I have my mute switch set to mute, I really want that
 actually to mean that things are muted. :) Not to mean that now there are
 a
 whole other set of sounds still going on. IN fact, since we're on the
 subject, I'd also wish I could have my VoiceOver speech obey the mute
 switch
 as well.

 For my uses, it is just more steps to do the same thing. So while I'm
 glad
 that people are happy with the extra settings, for myself, I'd prefer it
 to
 obey the mute setting. Sometimes having more settings just to have more
 settings is not always a desirable or sane thing to do. :)

 Now, I chose not to beta test, this cycle, but you can be sure I won't
 make
 that mistake again. :)

 Just my thoughts.

 Smiles,

 Cara :)
 On Oct 6, 2013, at 11:53 AM, Shane clark hshanecl...@gmail.com wrote:

 Hi all,
 So I'm just curious, how do yall like the ability to turn VO sounds
 on/off?
 I currently have my ringer turned on, with the VoiceOver sounds turned
 off,
 so I'm just hearing the normal iPhone clicks

Re: Navigation using Iphone in India

[Brice Smith]

I've heard that Ariadne uses Google maps, so I'd think that would at
least be available anywhere even if you don't want to download Google
maps directly.

On 5/13/13, David Chittenden dchitten...@gmail.com wrote:
 Map Quest is not available in New Zealand, so I doubt it would be available
 in India.

 David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
 Email: dchitten...@gmail.com
 Mobile: +64 21 2288 288
 Sent from my iPhone

 On 14/05/2013, at 5:37, Christopher Chaltain chalt...@gmail.com wrote:

 There's MapQuest, which I also suggested. I'm not sure if it's available
 in India though.

 The only thing I find inaccessible about Google Maps is that the start
 button doesn't show up in VoiceOver. To get around this, I turn off
 VoiceOver and tap the lower right hand corner of the screen to start the
 spoken turn by turn directions. I have reported this to Google.

 On 05/13/2013 12:28 PM, Ketan Kothari wrote:
 Dear Christopher,

 Apple maps are not available in India and as far as I know google maps
 are not accessible.  Any more suggestions?



 -Original Message- From: Christopher Chaltain
 Sent: Monday, May 13, 2013 10:07 PM
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Re: Navigation using Iphone in India

 I'm not sure about India, but IOS comes with a built in Maps app from
 Apple. Google Maps and MapQuest also have free maps apps for the iPhone.

 On 05/13/2013 09:17 AM, Ketan Kothari wrote:
 Hi friends,
 Are there any navigational apps on Iphone that I can use in India.  I
 am
 aware of navigon but that is very expensive and even then I don’t know
 how effective that is.
 With best wishes,
 Ketan
 Ketan Kothari
 Ph: +91:2224223281
 Cell: +91-9987550614/+918108842280
 Skype: ketan
 Twitter: @muktaketan
 Facebook: Ketan Kothari

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Listening to Voiceover

[Brice Smith]

Hi,

I'm curious to know how you all listen and use your phones when you're
out in public. Do you use earbuds and an earpiece, or do you turn the
speech down low and do your best?

In noisy environments most people can just look down at their phones.
If you use speech, you want to be able to hear the speech without
everyone else hearing it or becoming distracted by it, too. Sometimes
I'll just hold the phone up toward my shoulder/ear and type/text so I
can keep the volume down real low for privacy, but this looks really
odd and unprofessional. I've thought about grabbing an earpiece or
earbuds, but I usually forget, or it's just something else to charge
and keep track of.

What works for you?

Brice

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Re: Listening to Voiceover

[Brice Smith]

Thanks, Raul. You touch on the reason I started this; the whole
holding the phone up close to the ear and tapping away. This is what
I've naturally preferred, but a colleague pointed out how weird and
unprofessional it looks. It's not something I had thought about before
and I was kind of caught off guard. It does make sense how odd it
probably looks to hold a phone up chest level or next to your cheek or
ear and type, though.

I do not have hearing problems at all. Still, at least for me, I've
got to have the voice near my ear when typing because when using touch
typing it can be difficult to really hear Samantha in a lot of
environments without turning the volume up. These are the only times I
wish the iPhone had a physical keyboard.

Finally, the speakers on the iPhone 4s are kind of bad, anyway. When I
was using a Mophie Battery Juice case the speakers faced up which made
the sound clearer.

Just some observations.

Brice

On 5/25/13, Raul A. Gallegos r...@raulgallegos.com wrote:
 Hi, to add to this discussion what I do is use a single-ear headset like
 the Plantronics M50. I just recently purchased the Samsung HM1700 and am
 liking the volume on it better than the M50, but I haven't found a
 comfortable fit for it yet. So, still on the fence about that one. I
 find that the single-ear headset is good for me because I can pull it
 out right away if I need total hearing with both ears, but at the same
 time it's not jammed in my ear totally covering it in case I need it
 either. For phone calls the M50 sucks in my opinion, but for all the
 other pros it offers I still think it's the best single-ear headset. If
 I need something covering both of my ears I will either use the Motorola
 S11 headset which wraps around the back of your neck, has great range,
 and has great sound with playing music in both ears. It has a slightly
 annoying delay which I'm not too proud of, but all Bluetooth headsets
 have this delay. Some are just worse than others though. The M50 and the
 HM1700 are ok, but the S11 isn't the best.

 I try to avoid using wired connections because I like all that radiation
 flowing through my skull and because since we are all going to die some
 day, why not die cord free and happy? I don't have Apple earpods, and
 I'm not sure if I will get them since I have a bit of choice of things
 already. yes it's more to charge, but I also have a 3-in-1 charger usb
 cable with the standard usb end on one side which plugs into a usb
 charger wall plug on one end, and the other end has either a 30-pin for
 iPhone 4, and then it has a lightning plug for iPhone 5 and newer, and
 lastly, a Micro USB for the headsets or an Android phone.

 Since I usually carry around a extra battery pack from new Trent which
 holds either 6000 or 12,000 mAH depending on the one I use, I'm good
 with not running out of juice if I'm around places I can't connect to a
 wall.

 Lastly, if I don't have all my gadgets with me, I will hold the phone
 close to my ear like I'm making a phone call and tap away that way. We
 live in a sighted world and so I try to not appear to be socially inept,
 however many sighted people do worse things, and we just don't know
 about them because we can't see them. So, that helps me not worry too much.

 Hope that helps.

 --
 Raul A. Gallegos
 Immature: A word boring people use to describe fun people. - Sheldon Cooper
 Twitter and Facebook user ID: rau47

 On 5/24/2013 11:28 AM, Brice Smith wrote:
 Hi,

 I'm curious to know how you all listen and use your phones when you're
 out in public. Do you use earbuds and an earpiece, or do you turn the
 speech down low and do your best?

 In noisy environments most people can just look down at their phones.
 If you use speech, you want to be able to hear the speech without
 everyone else hearing it or becoming distracted by it, too. Sometimes
 I'll just hold the phone up toward my shoulder/ear and type/text so I
 can keep the volume down real low for privacy, but this looks really
 odd and unprofessional. I've thought about grabbing an earpiece or
 earbuds, but I usually forget, or it's just something else to charge
 and keep track of.

 What works for you?

 Brice


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Re: Listening to Voiceover

[Brice Smith]

Thanks for the feedback everyone -- I certainly knew there wasn't
necessarily a one size fits all answer, but it's good to hear what
works for some of you and what doesn't for others.

Maybe certain bluetooth pieces work better than others to reduce lag?
I bought a pair to use while working out, but I can't imagine using it
every day because the lag is distracting. Whatever the case, I've also
thought about buying a cheap pair of earbuds and snapping off one of
the wires, so I would only have one simple wire to deal with and
nothing else hanging from my neck.

Thanks again,
Brice

On 5/25/13, Sieghard Weitzel siegh...@live.ca wrote:
 Hi Brice,

 As Chuck and Richard already pointed out, a Bluetooth earpiece is one
 solution. But as you say, it is another item you have to make sure is
 charged up and I personally don't like it if I have to do any amount of
 typing. I do own one and use it at times, but first of all I feel I look
 like a nurd (no offense to anybody who wears it all day) and I just don't
 like the small lag when I am typing, it makes typing on the virtual
 keyboard
 even slower as it is. There is also a third reason why I don't want to have
 it in all day and that is the fact that nobody really knows if it is all
 that healthy.

 I very much prefer the Apple earpods, they are less conspicuous and even
 lighter than even the lightest Bluetooth earpiece. Depending on where I am
 and what I am doing I often just have the right one in my ear since it has
 the microphone and remote and I just have the left one hanging around my
 neck. It's become total habit for me to grab them in the morning, wrap them
 around my hand and put them in my pocket.

 In short, if you are in public and you don't want anybody to hear your
 phone
 a headset or earpiece of some sort is your only option. I personally
 wouldn't be too worried about people listening to a text message I might
 type, somebody really would have to pay attention to put together what you
 are typing if they hear a letter at a time, but of course if it's noisy a
 headset really is the way to go and it has the additional benefit that you
 can keep your phone on your belt or in your pocket when a call comes in.


 Regards,
 Sieghard


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 Sent: Friday, May 24, 2013 9:29 AM
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Listening to Voiceover

 Hi,

 I'm curious to know how you all listen and use your phones when you're
 out in public. Do you use earbuds and an earpiece, or do you turn the
 speech down low and do your best?

 In noisy environments most people can just look down at their phones.
 If you use speech, you want to be able to hear the speech without
 everyone else hearing it or becoming distracted by it, too. Sometimes
 I'll just hold the phone up toward my shoulder/ear and type/text so I
 can keep the volume down real low for privacy, but this looks really
 odd and unprofessional. I've thought about grabbing an earpiece or
 earbuds, but I usually forget, or it's just something else to charge
 and keep track of.

 What works for you?

 Brice

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Vibrate and keyboard clicks

[Brice Smith]

Hello, everyone.

Is it possible to keep keyboard clicks on while the phone is on
vibrate mode? I like keeping my ringing volume on vibrate but I also
hate typing on the keyboard when I don't have auditory clicks or
feedback. Even when keyboard clicks are turned on under sound, you
will not hear then when the vibrate switch is on. Is there a way I can
fix this?

Thanks for your help.

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Tiny External Battery

[Brice Smith]

Hi,

 Does anyone here use a small, external battery pack? I'm considering
different options, but I'm not sure if I really need one of the giant
packs that fits in a bag or briefcase. I know many of you use 6,000 or
even as high as 18,000 mAh packs, but that's just one more thing you
have to carry around with you. I had a battery case for my old 4S, but
 eventually grew tired of the weight on the sleek phone and took it off.

 I've heard of a couple battery packs that are small enough to fit on
a key ring like a thumb drive or at least small enough to sit in a
pants pocket. These seem to be rare, though. There's one called the
JuiceBuddy, but it looks like it is only for the old 4/4S. I also saw
a Mophie 700 mAh charger and the reviews are mixed. Have any of you
bought one of these smaller keychain battery chargers?

 Thanks,
 Brice

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iPhone Keyboard

[Brice Smith]

Hi,

This might be an odd question, but I’ve been curious for months so here goes:

Why does the default iPhone keyboard look different depending on the
application you use, and is there a way to change this?

Ever since IOS 7, the iPhone keyboard that appears on screen has
looked different than previous versions of the operating system, and I
know that low-vision users complained about the look of this for a
while. But the keyboard also looks different depending on the
application you’re in.

The keyboard in the messaging app, for example, is very bright and the
keys look kind of faded. But the same Apple on-screen keyboard in
Search iPhone or in the Youtube app looks much darker, and the keys
stand out to someone with low vision.

Does anyone know why the on-screen keyboard looks different depending
on what you’re doing? Is it possible to set the darker keyboard as
default?

Thanks.

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Advocating for VO Accessibility

[Brice Smith]

Hello, everyone.

What resources do you use to explain Voiceover to application
developers? When contacting people to ask for accessibility, how much
explaining is typically required to get the ball rolling? Do you find
that this process takes a lot of explaining, or does simply mentioning
VO get the job done?

Brice

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Removing a SIM

[Brice Smith]

Hi, everyone.

Is there anything I should be aware of when removing a SIM card from
one iPhone and transferring it to another? I’m getting a new unlocked
6 Plus tomorrow, and I’ll probably switch out the Nano SIM from my 5S
myself – something I’ve never done before. I understand that the Nano
SIM is much smaller than a regular SIM, and some online research has
shown that I’ll need to use a paper clip to help me get the SIM out.
Does the SIM have to be inserted into a phone a certain way?
Basically, I know this question may seem silly – but I’m wondering if
there’s anything else I should keep in mind or be aware of when doing
this tactically, as I won’t be able to really rely on pictures or
guides if I get stuck.

Thanks.

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Re: Removing a SIM

[Brice Smith]

Hi, Mark and Sieghard. Thanks for your responses. I had no major
trouble today getting the SIM in correctly - thanks for the advice.
Mark, the T-Mobile iPhone, purchased directly from Apple, is unlocked.
Thanks,
Brice


On 10/1/14, Sieghard Weitzel siegh...@live.ca wrote:
 Hi Brice,

 Yes, you need to use a paper clip or the little tool which should come with
 your iPhone to push down in the hole next to the SIM tray. This will pop it
 out a bit and then you can pull it out.

 The Nano SIM is very tiny and yes, it only goes in one way.

 Also, when you pull out the tray, make sure you don';t turn it over
 otherwise it won't go back in.

 As for the card, it has one corner which is slightly cut off. This can be
 hard to feel on a Nano SIM because it's so tiny. If you can feel it, the
 cut-off corner goes towards the power button on the side of the phone or, if
 you are facing the edge of the phone with the SIM tray, it will be to the
 right.
 The cut-off corner also stays towards the edge or outside of the phone. In
 other words, the side opposite to the cut-off corner goes in the phone first
 just like you would slide a knife into its case point first.

 Make sure you do this on a table or a surface where you can easily find the
 card should you drop it.


 Regards,
 Siegard
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 From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
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 Sent: Wednesday, October 01, 2014 12:23 PM
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 Subject: Removing a SIM

 Hi, everyone.

 Is there anything I should be aware of when removing a SIM card from
 one iPhone and transferring it to another? I’m getting a new unlocked
 6 Plus tomorrow, and I’ll probably switch out the Nano SIM from my 5S
 myself – something I’ve never done before. I understand that the Nano
 SIM is much smaller than a regular SIM, and some online research has
 shown that I’ll need to use a paper clip to help me get the SIM out.
 Does the SIM have to be inserted into a phone a certain way?
 Basically, I know this question may seem silly – but I’m wondering if
 there’s anything else I should keep in mind or be aware of when doing
 this tactically, as I won’t be able to really rely on pictures or
 guides if I get stuck.

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Re: Google Maps+Blindsquare or Seeing Eye GPS?

[Brice Smith]

The Seeing Eye app gives detailed information about intersections,
includes turn-by-turn directions and can also optionally pull POIs
from Google Places instead of just four Square. Otherwise, Google (or
Apple) maps plus BlindSquare is a fantastic combination.

You won’t get detailed intersection information with BlindSquare. But
you get an arguably smoother UI; the ability to plan a route with the
navigation application of your choice (and thus live traffic
rerouting, which Seeing Eye's turn-by-turn navigation does not
support), less battery drain than the Seeing Eye App, the ability to
simulate your destination and explore the new area, plus plenty of
other features.


On 2/11/16, englishride...@gmail.com  wrote:
> Sendero Lookaround GPS hasn't been working for me lately, and I've heard
> good things about Blindsquare. I use Google Maps, but sometimes find it
> difficult to follow its walking directions. Knowing when I've gotten to a
> specific cross street is kind of important, and since Sendero Lookaround
> isn't cutting it anymore, I need something that'll do the job. I'm just not
> sure which solution to go with here. I've tried SE GPS, and liked it, but
> maybe GM+BS would suit me better. What do you all think?
>
>
> Thanks,
> Ari
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Re: How Do You Use iOS?

[Brice Smith]

I would actually like to hear more about country-specific apps and
services people use in this thread. I think this local/regional
knowledge is informative for everyone and may be useful to travelers.
For example, can you share with us the best GPS apps that work in
Scandinavia? I'm assuming that BlindSquare, Apple Maps and Google Maps
all work there to some degree.

On 4/30/16, Krister Ekstrom  wrote:
> Not to pick on anything and anyone here, but what Sieghard says also goes
> for GPS apps. There are many gps apps not available here in Scandinavia
> which are available in the US or UK, the seeing eye gps for example as well
> as Mapquest and others.
> /Krister
>
>> 30 apr. 2016 kl. 15:38 skrev Sieghard Weitzel :
>>
>> Keep in mind the country you live in and mention this for location
>> specific apps such as store/shopping apps. If you are in the UK you may be
>> a huge fan of some super market app which is totally accessible, but
>> unless you specify that this is for a super market in the UK others may
>> look for it in the US or  Australia where of course they won't find it.
>> The same goes for apps which require hardware. I could rave about Sonos
>> all day long, but if I don't mention that you need Sonos hardware for this
>> app to be of any use people who don't know it may misunderstand what it is
>> all about.
>>
>> Regards,
>> Sieghard
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
>> Of M. Taylor
>> Sent: Saturday, April 30, 2016 12:34 AM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: RE: How Do You Use iOS?
>>
>> I just want to thank you all for contributing to this thread.
>>
>> Honestly, I cannot stop smiling when I read your lists of apps and
>> discover all of the various ways you use them.
>>
>> To those who have not yet posted, please remember that you do not need to
>> list only apps that have not yet been mentioned; just list the apps that
>> you use and how you use them if they are not self-explanatory.
>>
>> Personally, I am making a list of all of the marvelous apps you have
>> brought to my attention that I have not yet explored.
>>
>> From the bottom of my heart, I thank you and, let’s keep ‘em coming.
>> (Big, Big, Smile).
>>
>> Mark
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
>> Of Sieghard Weitzel
>> Sent: Friday, April 29, 2016 9:53 PM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: RE: How Do You Use iOS?
>>
>> Nice list, Mark, here are a few more I use although some of them require
>> hardware:
>>
>> Sonos - requires Sonos music players, I think it's been discussed here
>> enough so I don't have to go into more details as to what exactly the
>> Sonos system does, if somebody doesn't know and wants to know go to
>> www.sonos.com and check the list archives for "Sonos" related posts.
>>
>> Netatmo: requires the Netatmo weather station
>>
>> Thermostat: requires the Wi-Fi capable thermostat from
>> www.RadioThermostat.com
>>
>> Nuheat: requires in-floor electric heating mats from Nuheat (the kind that
>> are installed underneath tile floors. The app allows me to control the
>> thermostats connected to each mat/room that has it, in my case two
>> bathrooms and my kitchen.
>>
>> Nest: I use it not for thermostat, but I purchased 5 Dropcam Pro a couple
>> of years ago for security cameras for my retail store. Dropcam was then
>> purchased by Nest and the Dropcam app was replaced with the Nest app. Of
>> course the video feed is useless to me directly, but the cameras also
>> transmit audio and you can press a button in the app and speak through the
>> camera.
>>
>> CBC News for Canadian news and Weather Office for Canadian weather
>>
>> Google: That is the Google search app which also has those Google Now
>> cards.
>>
>> Transit: Gives youtransit information for many cities
>>
>> Parcel: for parcel tracking
>>
>> Whats App: one of the social media apps I use in addition to Skype,
>> fAcebook and Messenger
>>
>> Roboform: Mark mentioned another password manager, I have been a Roboform
>> user for many years and for $20 a year I get the Roboform Everywhere
>> service which means my passcards and SafeNotes are available on any of my
>> 5 work and home PC's and my iPhone.
>>
>> Mark mentioned OneDrive which I use more now that I have both an Office
>> 365 business and home subscription with 1 Tb of storage. But I also use
>> Dropbox.
>>
>> Compass: the native compass app which is sometimes handy when I need to
>> know direction and of course it also has the built-in level.
>>
>> Scotia Bank: the app of my Canadian financial institution
>>
>> Paprika: a recipe app, but it's not an app that actually contains recipes,
>> it's an app which allows you to search for recipes and you can then add
>> them to Paprika with just a couple of taps and all the information is
>> nicely displayed with tabs for ingredients and directions, 

Re: Uber and Siri?

[Brice Smith]

Hi Jenifer,
I’ve played around with ordering Uber with Siri. IMO, the experience
is not customizable enough for what I need. When you ask Siri to book
a ride, she asks what type of ride you want, and then tells you how
far away the ride would be and asks if you want to book it. I like to
specify a more specific location in the pick-up field than what gets
automatically placed there based on GPS (i.e. I’ll type in “Burger
King” instead of just the address itself), and I haven’t found a way
to customize that level of detail with Siri. So far, I've had no luck
issuing more specific Siri commands to get what I need.
Brice


On 9/16/16, Jenifer Barr  wrote:
> No... now you can tell siri "get me a uber ride to..." That's what I'm
> refering to
>
>
> Jenifer Barr
> Jenifer571 on dice world
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On Sep 16, 2016, at 6:48 AM, Jeremy Gilley  wrote:
>>
>> Guess I am not sure what your looking for.
>> I have no problems dictating in the pickup section where I need to be
>> picked up, and flicking right and tapping on destination, dictating where
>> I need to go etc.
>> the app is still very blind friendly.
>>
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
>> Of Jenifer Barr
>> Sent: Friday, September 16, 2016 6:45 AM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: Uber and Siri?
>>
>> Since the update you can just tell siri to get a uber ride... Does this
>> work?
>>
>> Jenifer Barr
>> Jenifer571 on dice world
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>>
>>> On Sep 16, 2016, at 6:42 AM, Jeremy Gilley  wrote:
>>> use it all the time with no problems.
>>>
>>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On
>>> Behalf Of Jenifer Barr
>>> Sent: Friday, September 16, 2016 6:01 AM
>>> To: iPhone List
>>> Subject: Uber and Siri?
>>>
>>> Hi. Has anyone successfully ordered a ride from uber using Siri? My siri
>>> uber setting is on, but she's still not getting it.
>>>
>>> Jenifer Barr
>>> Jenifer571 on dice world
>>> Sent from my iPhone
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Re: no more breaking news app

[Brice Smith]

The AP and BBC apps and Twitter feeds are pretty quick and reliable.
Also try @BNONews on Twitter.

On 1/2/17, Gordon  wrote:
> For years I followed @breakingnews on twitter and recently started using
> the app. but unfortunately NBC discontinued breaking news at midnight
> going into the new year. I loved that service because it was extremely
> fresh and usually got stuff out there before anyone else. So I'm looking
> for something similar if anyone has any suggestions.
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Re: Apple has a serious problem with software quality | ZDNet

[Brice Smith]

Furthermore, accessibility problems are not the only problems. There’s
a troubling tendency among consumers of assistive technology to
believe that if we didn’t use assistive technology, our user
experience would be perfect. But If you have an Android phone running
7.1.1, you might encounter problems with Bluetooth, reception, or
sound/speakers. And some iPhone users are concerned with battery,
VoLTE/LTE/Wifi and iCloud issues.

Technology is always changing and far from perfect.

On 12/16/16, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
> Pablo and I guess Mario,
>
> I am only sending one more reply to this, after that any threads of that
> nature become subject to my delete key.
> I am not defending Apple at all and totally agree that they need to fix bugs
> and maintain the gold standard they set in accessibility. In fact, they have
> to maintain it not only in accessibility but also in general. Steve Jobbs
> used to say "It just works" when he introduced some new device or feature
> and that is what people expect from Apple. I couldn't care less about the
> latest fancy features Android may have because there are other things I may
> not like about Android. I want a platform that is rock solid, secure, super
> accessible and which offers a good feature set.
> Where you I think do not understand me is in what I am saying about posting
> these rants about how Apple needs to get their act together on this list. We
> are all blind or visually impaired on this list and want iOS to be perfect.
> If I met with a group of 25 blind iOS users in person once a month and each
> time I complained about how Apple needs to fix their bugs that is not
> productive. I need to tell Apple Accessibility, you need to tell Apple
> Accessibility and every one of the 25 guys I am meeting in my hypothetical
> monthly get-together needs to tell Apple Accessibility. For this group this
> means we all need to email and/or call Apple Accessibility and tell them.
> Telling each other doesn't help, it's like if you have an arguement with a
> friend. You resolve it by having an open and honest discussion with your
> friend and not by telling another friend.
> Now, if I discover a bug and want to verify that it's a bug everybody
> experiences then I can of course post it to the list and get people's
> feedback, but I post what I discovered and describe the behaviour, I don't
> necessarily include a rant about how Apple should have never let this bug
> happen in the first place. Maybe you want feedback from a friend about how
> you should approach your other friend with whom you have the arguement and
> then it's OK to discuss it with your other friend, but you still need to go
> and have it out with the friend with whom you have the arguement. In this
> case the friend with whom you have the arguement is Apple, this list is your
> friend with whom you can talk about how you should handle it.
> If you want to tell the sighted world at large about Apple Accessibility and
> how Apple needs to do more than go right ahead, tell everybody at the bus
> stop or at the line up at the checkout counter or post it to the Google
> Community of Rob's Today in iOS Podcast, but complaining continuously on the
> Viphone list is like preaching to the choir, it doesn't help and it just
> makes most people want to whip you with Apple Earpods and Lightning cables
> *that was supposed to be a joke*.
> Anyhow, it just gets old, here we all know and experience the bugs and
> challenges with accessibility, we all want it to be better but it will only
> get better if Apple gets more and more feedback and good feedback which
> means good and detailed bug reports and not rants about how this should just
> all be fixed.
> Yes, sometimes it seems inexcusable how some bugs persist throughout a beta
> cycle or even multiple major releases of iOS. But to say Apple is not fixing
> bugs or that they are not improving accessibility with new features is
> garbage, I'm sure the team at Apple that is in charge of Voiceover and
> accessibility tries very hard and that they do all they can, but Apple is
> not just that team and I'm sure they are sometimes just as frustrated as you
> are that a new version gets released with new bugs or old bugs which haven't
> been fixed.
>
> Regards,
> Sieghard
>
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
> Of Pablo C. Morales
> Sent: Thursday, December 15, 2016 12:15 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: Apple has a serious problem with software quality | ZDNet
>
> Hi Sieghard
> I think that you haven’t read the whole threads in the last days. I said so
> because you are replying this email without knowledge of why I am posting
> this email. I recommend that you check about it in the last 2  days. Yes it
> is an IOs list, however it doesn’t mean that we cannot say that apple is
> doing a bad job regarding software updates, and specially fixing the
> problems that their software team are creating 

Re: Apple Naps

[Brice Smith]

Turn-by-turn directions are no longer fully announced with VoiceOver
as of iOS 11. If spoken directions indicate to "turn left on King
Street in .5 miles," VoiceOver only announces "0.5 miles, King street"
when exploring the screen. This means that VO users who turn off audio
announcements can no longer use Apple Maps for directions.

On 11/28/17, Terje Strømberg  wrote:
> Hi,
>
> In updated IOS11, is there any bugs in Apple Maps?
> Take care
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Re: Does Anyone Know of a Good Taxi App in the USA? Not Uber or Lift

[Brice Smith]

If you are just looking for a listing of taxi services with phone
numbers based on your current location, AroundMe should work for you.

On 12/11/17, M. Taylor  wrote:
> Hello Everyone,
>
> Can anyone recommend a good Taxi app here in the US?
>
> I have Curb, the Taxi app, but, like so many, they no longer offer
> telephone
> booking service as they once did.
>
> I would like an app that just lifts all of the taxi services in my genral
> area with their respective phone numbers.
>
> Any ideas?
>
> Mark
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Siri Shortcut for Google Assistant

[Brice Smith]

Has anyone else lost the ability to use Siri shortcuts to access the
Google Assistant?

When I use my recorded phrase, Siri now always says “you’ll need to
continue in Assistant.” My other shortcuts still work. I tried
deleting and reinstalling this shortcut without success, so I’m
starting to think that  Apple has blocked this particular shortcut.

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Re: Siri Shortcut for Google Assistant

[Brice Smith]

I’m hoping it’s just a bug, but I can imagine Apple removing this one for 
obvious reasons. It actually seemed too good to be true while it lasted.  

Sent from my iPhone

> On Dec 18, 2018, at 5:31 PM, Mary Otten  wrote:
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> In a word, yes. I wonder what happened.
> Mary
> 
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> Sent from my iPhone
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