Re: Apple proposes new emojis for people with disabilities, CNET

[Donald L. Roberts]

Although I agree that making a big fuss about this is pointless, the entire 
concept is form over substance.

Don Roberts


-Original Message- 
From: Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Tuesday, March 27, 2018 11:07 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Apple proposes new emojis for people with disabilities, CNET

And the fact you can change skin tone and that there are dozens of emojis 
representing today's lifestyles showing families with two fathers, two 
mothers, men kissing men and women kissingt women is not representing our 
so-called modern society? Your friend thinks it looks like a 50's person, 
maybe somebody else doesn't.
I personally see emojis as what they are, fun little things you can put in a 
message, they are not photo-quality images and making such a fuss makes 
little sense to me. But then of course it obviously makes a lot of sense to 
you which shows how differently we all perceives these things. Nobody stops 
you in seeking the support of a million people and petition this to be 
changed, but I'm not so sure there is a lot of point to continueing the 
discussion on this particular list. I guess Mark can say it's totally OK in 
which case I just press delete when I see the subject from now on.

Regards,
Sieghard

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com <viphone@googlegroups.com> On Behalf Of Kelly 
Pierce
Sent: Tuesday, March 27, 2018 8:09 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Apple proposes new emojis for people with disabilities, CNET

My sighted friend said the figures are cartoon like rather than an image 
that represents an actual person. He said they have a 1950’s look to them. 
Rob, humanity changes and today’s images should represent the people of 
today. For example, almost no one had tattoos
50 years ago. Now, more than half of adults under 35 in the United States 
and Europe have either a tattoo or have died their hair a color that is not 
natural to humans. Similarly, people are bigger now than in the past, Male 
recruits to the U.S. military weighed on average 160 lbs. in 1960. Now, they 
weigh 200.

Kelly



On 3/27/18, 'RobH.' via VIPhone <viphone@googlegroups.com> wrote:
> Agree with all this and endorse the mobility/cane technique in particular.
> The Symbol cane is generic enough to serve the purpose for use on
> these graphic symbols.  Red striping is something else here as
> that denotes additional deafness or deaf-blind.   The RNIB
> over here do have such an icon or image with a generic cane included.
> They could stylise if they tried, the wheelchair icon is distinct
> however lacking in minor detail. Road signage has captured this
> technique to greatest effect so far, simply obvious from a mile away,
> as they need to be.
>
> Thanks for your response,  BobH.
>
> Ps:  worth noting that long cane was not introduced until late 60s,
> canes were lightweight walking stick length, and white painted walking
> sticks before that. Ok,  50 years of long cane availability is an age,
> but worth noting it wasn't always so.
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "Christopher Chaltain" <chalt...@gmail.com>
> To: <viphone@googlegroups.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, March 27, 2018 7:51 AM
> Subject: Re: Apple proposes new emojis for people with disabilities,
> CNET
>
>
> Speaking about making assumptions based on limited experience, when
> using a long cane in crowded areas, where you're moving more slowly,
> you can choke up on the cane so it doesn't extend as far out in front
> of you. It's not dangerous, and it doesn't slow you down any more so
> then walking in a crowded area does. In addition though, when not in a
> crowded area, you can sweep out an area in front of you much further
> ahead allowing you to walk more quickly, more normally and more safely.
> Obviously people can use whatever cane length they want and they're
> comfortable with, but if someone thinks it's tragic to make
> assumptions with limited experience then those who don't have
> experience using a long white cane probably shouldn't be making
> assumptions on how it works and how safe it is or is not.
>
>
> It seems to me that this question could be solved by making the emojis
> a bit more generic or stylized. Give the cane a more intermediate
> length and make the cane simpler without the strap and red striping.
> It'll still represent a blind person but the actual length and style
> of the cane could be interpreted however the viewer wants to interpret it.
>
>
>
> On 03/26/2018 08:00 PM, TaraPrakash wrote:
>> “This is not how most blind people travel,
>> particularly the most independent and confident travelers.“
>> particularly three people that I know
>>
>> Making assumptions based on limited experience is so tragically
>> ridiculous. Nfb is just

RE: Apple proposes new emojis for people with disabilities, CNET

[Sieghard Weitzel]

And the fact you can change skin tone and that there are dozens of emojis 
representing today's lifestyles showing families with two fathers, two mothers, 
men kissing men and women kissingt women is not representing our so-called 
modern society? Your friend thinks it looks like a 50's person, maybe somebody 
else doesn't.
I personally see emojis as what they are, fun little things you can put in a 
message, they are not photo-quality images and making such a fuss makes little 
sense to me. But then of course it obviously makes a lot of sense to you which 
shows how differently we all perceives these things. Nobody stops you in 
seeking the support of a million people and petition this to be changed, but 
I'm not so sure there is a lot of point to continueing the discussion on this 
particular list. I guess Mark can say it's totally OK in which case I just 
press delete when I see the subject from now on.

Regards,
Sieghard

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com <viphone@googlegroups.com> On Behalf Of Kelly 
Pierce
Sent: Tuesday, March 27, 2018 8:09 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Apple proposes new emojis for people with disabilities, CNET

My sighted friend said the figures are cartoon like rather than an image that 
represents an actual person. He said they have a 1950’s look to them. Rob, 
humanity changes and today’s images should represent the people of today. For 
example, almost no one had tattoos
50 years ago. Now, more than half of adults under 35 in the United States and 
Europe have either a tattoo or have died their hair a color that is not natural 
to humans. Similarly, people are bigger now than in the past, Male recruits to 
the U.S. military weighed on average 160 lbs. in 1960. Now, they weigh 200.

Kelly



On 3/27/18, 'RobH.' via VIPhone <viphone@googlegroups.com> wrote:
> Agree with all this and endorse the mobility/cane technique in particular.
> The Symbol cane is generic enough to serve the purpose for use on 
> these graphic symbols.  Red striping is something else here as
> that denotes additional deafness or deaf-blind.   The RNIB
> over here do have such an icon or image with a generic cane included.  
> They could stylise if they tried, the wheelchair icon is distinct 
> however lacking in minor detail. Road signage has captured this 
> technique to greatest effect so far, simply obvious from a mile away, 
> as they need to be.
>
> Thanks for your response,  BobH.
>
> Ps:  worth noting that long cane was not introduced until late 60s,  
> canes were lightweight walking stick length, and white painted walking 
> sticks before that. Ok,  50 years of long cane availability is an age, 
> but worth noting it wasn't always so.
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "Christopher Chaltain" <chalt...@gmail.com>
> To: <viphone@googlegroups.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, March 27, 2018 7:51 AM
> Subject: Re: Apple proposes new emojis for people with disabilities, 
> CNET
>
>
> Speaking about making assumptions based on limited experience, when 
> using a long cane in crowded areas, where you're moving more slowly, 
> you can choke up on the cane so it doesn't extend as far out in front 
> of you. It's not dangerous, and it doesn't slow you down any more so 
> then walking in a crowded area does. In addition though, when not in a 
> crowded area, you can sweep out an area in front of you much further 
> ahead allowing you to walk more quickly, more normally and more safely.
> Obviously people can use whatever cane length they want and they're 
> comfortable with, but if someone thinks it's tragic to make 
> assumptions with limited experience then those who don't have 
> experience using a long white cane probably shouldn't be making 
> assumptions on how it works and how safe it is or is not.
>
>
> It seems to me that this question could be solved by making the emojis 
> a bit more generic or stylized. Give the cane a more intermediate 
> length and make the cane simpler without the strap and red striping. 
> It'll still represent a blind person but the actual length and style 
> of the cane could be interpreted however the viewer wants to interpret it.
>
>
>
> On 03/26/2018 08:00 PM, TaraPrakash wrote:
>> “This is not how most blind people travel,
>> particularly the most independent and confident travelers.“ 
>> particularly three people that I know
>>
>> Making assumptions based on limited experience is so tragically 
>> ridiculous. Nfb is just one of the many organizations in the US The 
>> US is just one country in the world. Majority of the blind people 
>> throughout the world  including yours truly do not use
>> canes up to their chins   In fact,  you will not be able to walk in
>> developing countries  o

RE: Apple proposes new emojis for people with disabilities, CNET

[Cristóbal]

The cartoonish/silly style is kind of the point to emojis though. They're not 
meant to necessarily be accurate and realistic depictions of things or people 
per say. 

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Kelly Pierce
Sent: Tuesday, March 27, 2018 8:09 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Apple proposes new emojis for people with disabilities, CNET

My sighted friend said the figures are cartoon like rather than an image that 
represents an actual person. He said they have a 1950’s look to them. Rob, 
humanity changes and today’s images should represent the people of today. For 
example, almost no one had tattoos
50 years ago. Now, more than half of adults under 35 in the United States and 
Europe have either a tattoo or have died their hair a color that is not natural 
to humans. Similarly, people are bigger now than in the past, Male recruits to 
the U.S. military weighed on average 160 lbs. in 1960. Now, they weigh 200.

Kelly



On 3/27/18, 'RobH.' via VIPhone <viphone@googlegroups.com> wrote:
> Agree with all this and endorse the mobility/cane technique in particular.
> The Symbol cane is generic enough to serve the purpose for use on 
> these graphic symbols.  Red striping is something else here as
> that denotes additional deafness or deaf-blind.   The RNIB
> over here do have such an icon or image with a generic cane included.  
> They could stylise if they tried, the wheelchair icon is distinct 
> however lacking in minor detail. Road signage has captured this 
> technique to greatest effect so far, simply obvious from a mile away, 
> as they need to be.
>
> Thanks for your response,  BobH.
>
> Ps:  worth noting that long cane was not introduced until late 60s,  
> canes were lightweight walking stick length, and white painted walking 
> sticks before that. Ok,  50 years of long cane availability is an age, 
> but worth noting it wasn't always so.
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "Christopher Chaltain" <chalt...@gmail.com>
> To: <viphone@googlegroups.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, March 27, 2018 7:51 AM
> Subject: Re: Apple proposes new emojis for people with disabilities, 
> CNET
>
>
> Speaking about making assumptions based on limited experience, when 
> using a long cane in crowded areas, where you're moving more slowly, 
> you can choke up on the cane so it doesn't extend as far out in front 
> of you. It's not dangerous, and it doesn't slow you down any more so 
> then walking in a crowded area does. In addition though, when not in a 
> crowded area, you can sweep out an area in front of you much further 
> ahead allowing you to walk more quickly, more normally and more safely.
> Obviously people can use whatever cane length they want and they're 
> comfortable with, but if someone thinks it's tragic to make 
> assumptions with limited experience then those who don't have 
> experience using a long white cane probably shouldn't be making 
> assumptions on how it works and how safe it is or is not.
>
>
> It seems to me that this question could be solved by making the emojis 
> a bit more generic or stylized. Give the cane a more intermediate 
> length and make the cane simpler without the strap and red striping. 
> It'll still represent a blind person but the actual length and style 
> of the cane could be interpreted however the viewer wants to interpret it.
>
>
>
> On 03/26/2018 08:00 PM, TaraPrakash wrote:
>> “This is not how most blind people travel,
>> particularly the most independent and confident travelers.“ 
>> particularly three people that I know
>>
>> Making assumptions based on limited experience is so tragically 
>> ridiculous. Nfb is just one of the many organizations in the US The 
>> US is just one country in the world. Majority of the blind people 
>> throughout the world  including yours truly do not use
>> canes up to their chins   In fact,  you will not be able to walk in
>> developing countries  or in countries with high population
>> density  such huge canes  will slow you downThey can actually be very
>> dangerous for the user   Last time I checked,   Apple
>> was selling it’s iPhones throughout the world  not just in the US
>>   And no, this resolution will not pass in July Sent from my iPhone
>>
>>> On Mar 26, 2018, at 10:56 AM, Kelly Pierce <kellyt...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> blind person’s wrist. This is not how most blind people travel, 
>>> particularly the most independent and confident travelers.
>
> --
> Christopher (CJ)
> Chaltain at Gmail
>
> --
> The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone 
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Re: Apple proposes new emojis for people with disabilities, CNET

[Kelly Pierce]

My sighted friend said the figures are cartoon like rather than an
image that represents an actual person. He said they have a 1950’s
look to them. Rob, humanity changes and today’s images should
represent the people of today. For example, almost no one had tattoos
50 years ago. Now, more than half of adults under 35 in the United
States and Europe have either a tattoo or have died their hair a color
that is not natural to humans. Similarly, people are bigger now than
in the past, Male recruits to the U.S. military weighed on average 160
lbs. in 1960. Now, they weigh 200.

Kelly



On 3/27/18, 'RobH.' via VIPhone <viphone@googlegroups.com> wrote:
> Agree with all this and endorse the mobility/cane technique in particular.
> The Symbol cane is generic enough to serve the purpose
> for use on these graphic symbols.  Red striping is something else here as
> that denotes additional deafness or deaf-blind.   The RNIB
> over here do have such an icon or image with a generic cane included.  They
> could stylise if they tried, the wheelchair icon is
> distinct however lacking in minor detail. Road signage has captured this
> technique to greatest effect so far, simply obvious from a
> mile away, as they need to be.
>
> Thanks for your response,  BobH.
>
> Ps:  worth noting that long cane was not introduced until late 60s,  canes
> were lightweight walking stick length, and white painted
> walking sticks before that. Ok,  50 years of long cane availability is an
> age, but worth noting it wasn't always so.
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "Christopher Chaltain" <chalt...@gmail.com>
> To: <viphone@googlegroups.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, March 27, 2018 7:51 AM
> Subject: Re: Apple proposes new emojis for people with disabilities, CNET
>
>
> Speaking about making assumptions based on limited experience, when
> using a long cane in crowded areas, where you're moving more slowly, you
> can choke up on the cane so it doesn't extend as far out in front of
> you. It's not dangerous, and it doesn't slow you down any more so then
> walking in a crowded area does. In addition though, when not in a
> crowded area, you can sweep out an area in front of you much further
> ahead allowing you to walk more quickly, more normally and more safely.
> Obviously people can use whatever cane length they want and they're
> comfortable with, but if someone thinks it's tragic to make assumptions
> with limited experience then those who don't have experience using a
> long white cane probably shouldn't be making assumptions on how it works
> and how safe it is or is not.
>
>
> It seems to me that this question could be solved by making the emojis a
> bit more generic or stylized. Give the cane a more intermediate length
> and make the cane simpler without the strap and red striping. It'll
> still represent a blind person but the actual length and style of the
> cane could be interpreted however the viewer wants to interpret it.
>
>
>
> On 03/26/2018 08:00 PM, TaraPrakash wrote:
>> “This is not how most blind people travel,
>> particularly the most independent and confident travelers.“ particularly
>> three people that I know
>>
>> Making assumptions based on limited experience is so tragically
>> ridiculous. Nfb is just one of the many organizations in the US
>> The US is just one country in the world. Majority of the blind people
>> throughout the world  including yours truly do not use
>> canes up to their chins   In fact,  you will not be able to walk in
>> developing countries  or in countries with high population
>> density  such huge canes  will slow you downThey can actually be very
>> dangerous for the user   Last time I checked,   Apple
>> was selling it’s iPhones throughout the world  not just in the US
>>   And no, this resolution will not pass in July
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>>> On Mar 26, 2018, at 10:56 AM, Kelly Pierce <kellyt...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> blind person’s wrist. This is not how most blind people travel,
>>> particularly the most independent and confident travelers.
>
> --
> Christopher (CJ)
> Chaltain at Gmail
>
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Re: Apple proposes new emojis for people with disabilities, CNET

['RobH.' via VIPhone]

Agree with all this and endorse the mobility/cane technique in particular.  The 
Symbol cane is generic enough to serve the purpose 
for use on these graphic symbols.  Red striping is something else here as that 
denotes additional deafness or deaf-blind.   The RNIB 
over here do have such an icon or image with a generic cane included.  They 
could stylise if they tried, the wheelchair icon is 
distinct however lacking in minor detail. Road signage has captured this 
technique to greatest effect so far, simply obvious from a 
mile away, as they need to be.

Thanks for your response,  BobH.

Ps:  worth noting that long cane was not introduced until late 60s,  canes were 
lightweight walking stick length, and white painted 
walking sticks before that. Ok,  50 years of long cane availability is an age, 
but worth noting it wasn't always so.

- Original Message - 
From: "Christopher Chaltain" <chalt...@gmail.com>
To: <viphone@googlegroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, March 27, 2018 7:51 AM
Subject: Re: Apple proposes new emojis for people with disabilities, CNET


Speaking about making assumptions based on limited experience, when
using a long cane in crowded areas, where you're moving more slowly, you
can choke up on the cane so it doesn't extend as far out in front of
you. It's not dangerous, and it doesn't slow you down any more so then
walking in a crowded area does. In addition though, when not in a
crowded area, you can sweep out an area in front of you much further
ahead allowing you to walk more quickly, more normally and more safely.
Obviously people can use whatever cane length they want and they're
comfortable with, but if someone thinks it's tragic to make assumptions
with limited experience then those who don't have experience using a
long white cane probably shouldn't be making assumptions on how it works
and how safe it is or is not.


It seems to me that this question could be solved by making the emojis a
bit more generic or stylized. Give the cane a more intermediate length
and make the cane simpler without the strap and red striping. It'll
still represent a blind person but the actual length and style of the
cane could be interpreted however the viewer wants to interpret it.



On 03/26/2018 08:00 PM, TaraPrakash wrote:
> “This is not how most blind people travel,
> particularly the most independent and confident travelers.“ particularly 
> three people that I know
>
> Making assumptions based on limited experience is so tragically ridiculous. 
> Nfb is just one of the many organizations in the US 
> The US is just one country in the world. Majority of the blind people   
> throughout the world  including yours truly do not use 
> canes up to their chins   In fact,  you will not be able to walk in 
> developing countries  or in countries with high population 
> density  such huge canes  will slow you downThey can actually be very 
> dangerous for the user   Last time I checked,   Apple 
> was selling it’s iPhones throughout the world  not just in the US
>   And no, this resolution will not pass in July
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On Mar 26, 2018, at 10:56 AM, Kelly Pierce <kellyt...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> blind person’s wrist. This is not how most blind people travel,
>> particularly the most independent and confident travelers.

-- 
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Re: Apple proposes new emojis for people with disabilities, CNET

[Christopher Chaltain]

Speaking about making assumptions based on limited experience, when 
using a long cane in crowded areas, where you're moving more slowly, you 
can choke up on the cane so it doesn't extend as far out in front of 
you. It's not dangerous, and it doesn't slow you down any more so then 
walking in a crowded area does. In addition though, when not in a 
crowded area, you can sweep out an area in front of you much further 
ahead allowing you to walk more quickly, more normally and more safely. 
Obviously people can use whatever cane length they want and they're 
comfortable with, but if someone thinks it's tragic to make assumptions 
with limited experience then those who don't have experience using a 
long white cane probably shouldn't be making assumptions on how it works 
and how safe it is or is not.



It seems to me that this question could be solved by making the emojis a 
bit more generic or stylized. Give the cane a more intermediate length 
and make the cane simpler without the strap and red striping. It'll 
still represent a blind person but the actual length and style of the 
cane could be interpreted however the viewer wants to interpret it.




On 03/26/2018 08:00 PM, TaraPrakash wrote:

“This is not how most blind people travel,
particularly the most independent and confident travelers.“ particularly three 
people that I know

Making assumptions based on limited experience is so tragically ridiculous. Nfb 
is just one of the many organizations in the US  The US is just one country in 
the world. Majority of the blind people   throughout the world  including yours 
truly do not use canes up to their chins   In fact,  you will not be able to 
walk in developing countries  or in countries with high population density  
such huge canes  will slow you downThey can actually be very dangerous for 
the user   Last time I checked,   Apple was selling it’s iPhones throughout the 
world  not just in the US
  And no, this resolution will not pass in July
Sent from my iPhone


On Mar 26, 2018, at 10:56 AM, Kelly Pierce  wrote:

blind person’s wrist. This is not how most blind people travel,
particularly the most independent and confident travelers.


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Re: Apple proposes new emojis for people with disabilities, CNET

['RobH.' via VIPhone]

Appreciate this description and definition, Thank you.
- Original Message - 
From: "Richard Turner" <richardturne...@outlook.com>
To: <viphone@googlegroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, March 27, 2018 2:04 AM
Subject: Re: Apple proposes new emojis for people with disabilities, CNET



Hi Jewel,
Here is what I found on the web:

Originally meaning pictograph, the word emoji comes from Japanese e (絵, 
"picture") + moji (文字, "character"). The resemblance to the 
English words emotion and emoticon is purely coincidental.
Emoji - Wikipedia<https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emoji>
https://en.m.wikipedia.org › wiki › Emoji





HTH,

Richard

“The secret is not to make your music louder, but to make the world quieter.”

- Mitch Albom from The Magic Strings of Frankie Presto, page 1

On Mar 26, 2018, at 3:44 PM, Jewel 
<jewelbla...@kinect.co.nz<mailto:jewelbla...@kinect.co.nz>> wrote:

The word * emoticon is a combination of the words emotion icon, but emoji has 
me beat.  Any
clarification will be appreciated.

  Jewel

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From: "Wayne Merritt" <wcmerr...@gmail.com<mailto:wcmerr...@gmail.com>>
Sent: Tuesday, March 27, 2018 2:30 AM
To: <viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>>
Subject: Re: Apple proposes new emojis for people with disabilities, CNET

I'm glad Apple is going to put some accessibility items in the ever
growing emojy category. As stated before, the general populous is not
going to make buying decisions based off of cane emojys, just like
they would not make the buying decisions based off of other emojys. At
least they are recognizing people with disabilities, even if it is in
this small way. I recall not too long ago when emoji's were starting
to be added at all, hearing concern from some blind folk that there
were not any access emoji's. So it's good to see that Apple have
gotten around to it. I still like and will occasionally use the
Braille Badges from the American Printing House; these emojys are much
more than canes and dogs, and are super fun to use, plus they're free.

Wayne

On 3/25/18, Jewel <jewelbla...@kinect.co.nz<mailto:jewelbla...@kinect.co.nz>> 
wrote:
Rob!  It is true that I am short, but petite!  I, regretably, am not!

Jewel
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From: "'RobH.' via VIPhone" 
<viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>>
Sent: Monday, March 26, 2018 6:22 AM
To: <viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>>
Subject: Re: Apple proposes new emojis for people with disabilities, CNET

I love this comment.  Some of us like petite, me for example.  And to go
against my own previous
comment, sighted getting caught
between their ankles is an absolute classic error they manage.  A cane can
be too long if you cqan't
withdraw it in quick manner to
free from such a trap.  Mine is just about Sternum and needs to be pulled to
the perpendicular
without hitting me under the chin.
Mine is designed to achieve this,...   I just hated the RNIB offerings,
which are about the standard
offering the rest are stuck
with.

RobH, hopes to get off mobility aids as such, soon now, and sorry I fell for
the bait too.

BobH.

- Original Message -
From: "Jewel" <jewelbla...@kinect.co.nz<mailto:jewelbla...@kinect.co.nz>>
To: <viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>>
Sent: Sunday, March 25, 2018 4:45 PM
Subject: Re: Apple proposes new emojis for people with disabilities, CNET


I * used to be 5 feet:  in my younger days, 5 feet 1 inch:  mustn't forget
that precious 1 inch:
but, either everything in my house is growing, or I, shudder..shudder and
perish the thought, am
getting shorter.  I swear that, hardly, a day goes by when I don't have to
stand on less and less
toe tip to reach shelves.
and Christopher!  you don't know how short our streets are! so I might not
have been exaggerating
when I wrote of a chin-high long cane warning me of an obstacle, for
instance,  an unsuspecting
pedestrian who has just found the tip of a cane inserting itself between
his/her ankles, when I, the
cane wielder, was still only halfway down it.

  Jewel

--
From: "Deidre Muccio" 
<deidreandlou...@gmail.com<mailto:deidreandlou...@gmail.com>>
Sent: Monday, March 26, 2018 3:06 AM
To: <viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>>
Subject: Re: Apple proposes new emojis for people with disabilities, CNET

Christopher, Perhaps you have not been following Jewel's post for a long
time now.  you don't grasp
her usual tongue and cheek or brand of Eumar. I would say that If Jewel is
used to using a 3 foot
Kane then a 5 foot Kane is indeed going to seem like it's turning the corner
long before she needs
to turn a corner. I had a

Re: Apple proposes new emojis for people with disabilities, CNET

[Jewel]

At the start of this thread, someone said that those who were complaining about 
the type of cane 
being used in the image would, really, have something to beef about if what was 
shown was those 
huge,  clunky dark glasses that sometimes blind people are depicted as wearing.
It is those huge, clunky dark glasses that make them blind!  Take them off and  
they would see as 
well as the rest of us!  HAA HAA

  Jewel
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Re: Apple proposes new emojis for people with disabilities, CNET

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> On Mar 26, 2018, at 8:49 PM, Sieghard Weitzel <siegh...@live.ca> wrote:
> 
> I agree, I certainly wouldn't want a cane that goes up to my chin. I know a 
> folding cane can be convenient if you want to put it away, but I most prefer 
> Ambutech's telescopic cane, it is much lighter and more ridgit than a cane 
> with 3 or 4 connection points which all absorb part of what I might feel on 
> the ground. I can also make it as long as I want it in certain situations. Of 
> course that is for those times once in a blue moon when I use a cane since 
> I'm a guide dog user. 
> 
> Regards,
> Sieghard
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com <viphone@googlegroups.com> On Behalf Of 
> TaraPrakash
> Sent: Monday, March 26, 2018 6:01 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Apple proposes new emojis for people with disabilities, CNET
> 
> “This is not how most blind people travel,
> particularly the most independent and confident travelers.“ particularly 
> three people that I know 
> 
> Making assumptions based on limited experience is so tragically ridiculous. 
> Nfb is just one of the many organizations in the US  The US is just one 
> country in the world. Majority of the blind people   throughout the world  
> including yours truly do not use canes up to their chins   In fact,  you will 
> not be able to walk in developing countries  or in countries with high 
> population density  such huge canes  will slow you downThey can actually 
> be very dangerous for the user   Last time I checked,   Apple was selling 
> it’s iPhones throughout the world  not just in the US   
> And no, this resolution will not pass in July   
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Mar 26, 2018, at 10:56 AM, Kelly Pierce <kellyt...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>> blind person’s wrist. This is not how most blind people travel, 
>> particularly the most independent and confident travelers.
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RE: Apple proposes new emojis for people with disabilities, CNET

[Sieghard Weitzel]

I agree, I certainly wouldn't want a cane that goes up to my chin. I know a 
folding cane can be convenient if you want to put it away, but I most prefer 
Ambutech's telescopic cane, it is much lighter and more ridgit than a cane with 
3 or 4 connection points which all absorb part of what I might feel on the 
ground. I can also make it as long as I want it in certain situations. Of 
course that is for those times once in a blue moon when I use a cane since I'm 
a guide dog user. 

Regards,
Sieghard

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From: viphone@googlegroups.com <viphone@googlegroups.com> On Behalf Of 
TaraPrakash
Sent: Monday, March 26, 2018 6:01 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Apple proposes new emojis for people with disabilities, CNET

“This is not how most blind people travel,
particularly the most independent and confident travelers.“ particularly three 
people that I know 

Making assumptions based on limited experience is so tragically ridiculous. Nfb 
is just one of the many organizations in the US  The US is just one country in 
the world. Majority of the blind people   throughout the world  including yours 
truly do not use canes up to their chins   In fact,  you will not be able to 
walk in developing countries  or in countries with high population density  
such huge canes  will slow you downThey can actually be very dangerous for 
the user   Last time I checked,   Apple was selling it’s iPhones throughout the 
world  not just in the US   
 And no, this resolution will not pass in July   
Sent from my iPhone

> On Mar 26, 2018, at 10:56 AM, Kelly Pierce <kellyt...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> blind person’s wrist. This is not how most blind people travel, 
> particularly the most independent and confident travelers.

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Re: Apple proposes new emojis for people with disabilities, CNET

[Richard Turner]

Hi Jewel,
Here is what I found on the web:

Originally meaning pictograph, the word emoji comes from Japanese e (絵, 
"picture") + moji (文字, "character"). The resemblance to the English words 
emotion and emoticon is purely coincidental.
Emoji - Wikipedia<https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emoji>
https://en.m.wikipedia.org › wiki › Emoji





HTH,

Richard

“The secret is not to make your music louder, but to make the world quieter.”

- Mitch Albom from The Magic Strings of Frankie Presto, page 1

On Mar 26, 2018, at 3:44 PM, Jewel 
<jewelbla...@kinect.co.nz<mailto:jewelbla...@kinect.co.nz>> wrote:

The word * emoticon is a combination of the words emotion icon, but emoji has 
me beat.  Any
clarification will be appreciated.

  Jewel

--
From: "Wayne Merritt" <wcmerr...@gmail.com<mailto:wcmerr...@gmail.com>>
Sent: Tuesday, March 27, 2018 2:30 AM
To: <viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>>
Subject: Re: Apple proposes new emojis for people with disabilities, CNET

I'm glad Apple is going to put some accessibility items in the ever
growing emojy category. As stated before, the general populous is not
going to make buying decisions based off of cane emojys, just like
they would not make the buying decisions based off of other emojys. At
least they are recognizing people with disabilities, even if it is in
this small way. I recall not too long ago when emoji's were starting
to be added at all, hearing concern from some blind folk that there
were not any access emoji's. So it's good to see that Apple have
gotten around to it. I still like and will occasionally use the
Braille Badges from the American Printing House; these emojys are much
more than canes and dogs, and are super fun to use, plus they're free.

Wayne

On 3/25/18, Jewel <jewelbla...@kinect.co.nz<mailto:jewelbla...@kinect.co.nz>> 
wrote:
Rob!  It is true that I am short, but petite!  I, regretably, am not!

Jewel
--
From: "'RobH.' via VIPhone" 
<viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>>
Sent: Monday, March 26, 2018 6:22 AM
To: <viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>>
Subject: Re: Apple proposes new emojis for people with disabilities, CNET

I love this comment.  Some of us like petite, me for example.  And to go
against my own previous
comment, sighted getting caught
between their ankles is an absolute classic error they manage.  A cane can
be too long if you cqan't
withdraw it in quick manner to
free from such a trap.  Mine is just about Sternum and needs to be pulled to
the perpendicular
without hitting me under the chin.
Mine is designed to achieve this,...   I just hated the RNIB offerings,
which are about the standard
offering the rest are stuck
with.

RobH, hopes to get off mobility aids as such, soon now, and sorry I fell for
the bait too.

BobH.

- Original Message -
From: "Jewel" <jewelbla...@kinect.co.nz<mailto:jewelbla...@kinect.co.nz>>
To: <viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>>
Sent: Sunday, March 25, 2018 4:45 PM
Subject: Re: Apple proposes new emojis for people with disabilities, CNET


I * used to be 5 feet:  in my younger days, 5 feet 1 inch:  mustn't forget
that precious 1 inch:
but, either everything in my house is growing, or I, shudder..shudder and
perish the thought, am
getting shorter.  I swear that, hardly, a day goes by when I don't have to
stand on less and less
toe tip to reach shelves.
and Christopher!  you don't know how short our streets are! so I might not
have been exaggerating
when I wrote of a chin-high long cane warning me of an obstacle, for
instance,  an unsuspecting
pedestrian who has just found the tip of a cane inserting itself between
his/her ankles, when I, the
cane wielder, was still only halfway down it.

  Jewel

--
From: "Deidre Muccio" 
<deidreandlou...@gmail.com<mailto:deidreandlou...@gmail.com>>
Sent: Monday, March 26, 2018 3:06 AM
To: <viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>>
Subject: Re: Apple proposes new emojis for people with disabilities, CNET

Christopher, Perhaps you have not been following Jewel's post for a long
time now.  you don't grasp
her usual tongue and cheek or brand of Eumar. I would say that If Jewel is
used to using a 3 foot
Kane then a 5 foot Kane is indeed going to seem like it's turning the corner
long before she needs
to turn a corner. I had also experience the same feeling when I use Kane's
that were measured up to
my chin as oppposed to up to my sternum. I find using a 3 foot cane, On the
other hand,  too short
for me and makes me feel like I am pitching forward. I'm not sure how I know
this, but I also
believe that Jewel is 5 feet tall so

Re: Apple proposes new emojis for people with disabilities, CNET

[TaraPrakash]

“This is not how most blind people travel,
particularly the most independent and confident travelers.“ particularly three 
people that I know 

Making assumptions based on limited experience is so tragically ridiculous. Nfb 
is just one of the many organizations in the US  The US is just one country in 
the world. Majority of the blind people   throughout the world  including yours 
truly do not use canes up to their chins   In fact,  you will not be able to 
walk in developing countries  or in countries with high population density  
such huge canes  will slow you downThey can actually be very dangerous for 
the user   Last time I checked,   Apple was selling it’s iPhones throughout the 
world  not just in the US   
 And no, this resolution will not pass in July   
Sent from my iPhone

> On Mar 26, 2018, at 10:56 AM, Kelly Pierce  wrote:
> 
> blind person’s wrist. This is not how most blind people travel,
> particularly the most independent and confident travelers.

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Re: Apple proposes new emojis for people with disabilities, CNET

[Jewel]

The word * emoticon is a combination of the words emotion icon, but emoji has 
me beat.  Any 
clarification will be appreciated.

   Jewel

--
From: "Wayne Merritt" <wcmerr...@gmail.com>
Sent: Tuesday, March 27, 2018 2:30 AM
To: <viphone@googlegroups.com>
Subject: Re: Apple proposes new emojis for people with disabilities, CNET

I'm glad Apple is going to put some accessibility items in the ever
growing emojy category. As stated before, the general populous is not
going to make buying decisions based off of cane emojys, just like
they would not make the buying decisions based off of other emojys. At
least they are recognizing people with disabilities, even if it is in
this small way. I recall not too long ago when emoji's were starting
to be added at all, hearing concern from some blind folk that there
were not any access emoji's. So it's good to see that Apple have
gotten around to it. I still like and will occasionally use the
Braille Badges from the American Printing House; these emojys are much
more than canes and dogs, and are super fun to use, plus they're free.

Wayne

On 3/25/18, Jewel <jewelbla...@kinect.co.nz> wrote:
> Rob!  It is true that I am short, but petite!  I, regretably, am not!
>
> Jewel
> --
> From: "'RobH.' via VIPhone" <viphone@googlegroups.com>
> Sent: Monday, March 26, 2018 6:22 AM
> To: <viphone@googlegroups.com>
> Subject: Re: Apple proposes new emojis for people with disabilities, CNET
>
> I love this comment.  Some of us like petite, me for example.  And to go
> against my own previous
> comment, sighted getting caught
> between their ankles is an absolute classic error they manage.  A cane can
> be too long if you cqan't
> withdraw it in quick manner to
> free from such a trap.  Mine is just about Sternum and needs to be pulled to
> the perpendicular
> without hitting me under the chin.
> Mine is designed to achieve this,...   I just hated the RNIB offerings,
> which are about the standard
> offering the rest are stuck
> with.
>
> RobH, hopes to get off mobility aids as such, soon now, and sorry I fell for
> the bait too.
>
> BobH.
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "Jewel" <jewelbla...@kinect.co.nz>
> To: <viphone@googlegroups.com>
> Sent: Sunday, March 25, 2018 4:45 PM
> Subject: Re: Apple proposes new emojis for people with disabilities, CNET
>
>
> I * used to be 5 feet:  in my younger days, 5 feet 1 inch:  mustn't forget
> that precious 1 inch:
> but, either everything in my house is growing, or I, shudder..shudder and
> perish the thought, am
> getting shorter.  I swear that, hardly, a day goes by when I don't have to
> stand on less and less
> toe tip to reach shelves.
> and Christopher!  you don't know how short our streets are! so I might not
> have been exaggerating
> when I wrote of a chin-high long cane warning me of an obstacle, for
> instance,  an unsuspecting
> pedestrian who has just found the tip of a cane inserting itself between
> his/her ankles, when I, the
> cane wielder, was still only halfway down it.
>
>    Jewel
>
> ------
> From: "Deidre Muccio" <deidreandlou...@gmail.com>
> Sent: Monday, March 26, 2018 3:06 AM
> To: <viphone@googlegroups.com>
> Subject: Re: Apple proposes new emojis for people with disabilities, CNET
>
> Christopher, Perhaps you have not been following Jewel's post for a long
> time now.  you don't grasp
> her usual tongue and cheek or brand of Eumar. I would say that If Jewel is
> used to using a 3 foot
> Kane then a 5 foot Kane is indeed going to seem like it's turning the corner
> long before she needs
> to turn a corner. I had also experience the same feeling when I use Kane's
> that were measured up to
> my chin as oppposed to up to my sternum. I find using a 3 foot cane, On the
> other hand,  too short
> for me and makes me feel like I am pitching forward. I'm not sure how I know
> this, but I also
> believe that Jewel is 5 feet tall so maybe a 3 foot long Kane would  be the
> right size for her!
> As for the emoticon, I'm not sure in what context one would care to use one.
> I think that was
> spelled out in  the post put out by Apple, but I've already spaced it out
> cause it only brought
> comical images rather than anything useful to mind for me.
>
> Deidre
>
>
>> On Mar 25, 2018, at 9:34 AM, Christopher Chaltain <chalt...@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> Well, the idea behind the long cane is that you want a cane that will
>> sweep out the space that
>> you're about to step into. A shorter cane means th

RE: Apple proposes new emojis for people with disabilities, CNET

[Cristóbal]

I mean I guess . . . I really can't get all worked up about this. I think I'd 
be more peeved if they went with the hard-core black aviator sunglasses looking 
up at the sky with the  scrunched up blind person face emoji look.
I suppose it's constructive to point out the strap around the wrist thing, but 
I don't think people actually seriously take emojis as accurate 
representations. And if they do . . . then they've probably got other issues 
going on.

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Kelly Pierce
Sent: Monday, March 26, 2018 2:02 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Apple proposes new emojis for people with disabilities, CNET

You should ask ACB this question, not me. ACB leadership approved this 
controversial design. The inclusion of the blind emoji depends whether Apple 
stands behind its submission or withdraws it and resubmits new emoji. Blind 
people could also oppose the inclusion of some of the emoji with the standards 
organization if Apple refuses to withdraw the emoji. If the standards board 
rejects the proposal, the timeframe is completely uncertain.

Kelly




On 3/26/18, Gerardo Corripio <gera1...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Which makes me wonder, when will they be available to start using?sa
>
> Gera
> Enviado desde mi iPhone 5S de Telcel
>
> El 26/03/2018, a la(s) 8:56 a. m., Kelly Pierce <kellyt...@gmail.com>
> escribió:
>
>> The issue is the perception the public has about blind people and 
>> their independence. It is not about cane purchasing decisions. Apple 
>> and the ACB are advancing the notion that short canes to the stomach 
>> are normal and expected along with a cord wrapped tightly around a 
>> blind person’s wrist. This is not how most blind people travel, 
>> particularly the most independent and confident travelers. I 
>> completely disagree with the proposition that inaccurate depictions 
>> of blind people are better than none at all. Emoji’s are just one 
>> means of how the public can change its belief on what it means to be blind.
>>
>> Kelly
>>
>>
>>> On 3/26/18, Wayne Merritt <wcmerr...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> I'm glad Apple is going to put some accessibility items in the ever 
>>> growing emojy category. As stated before, the general populous is 
>>> not going to make buying decisions based off of cane emojys, just 
>>> like they would not make the buying decisions based off of other 
>>> emojys. At least they are recognizing people with disabilities, even 
>>> if it is in this small way. I recall not too long ago when emoji's 
>>> were starting to be added at all, hearing concern from some blind 
>>> folk that there were not any access emoji's. So it's good to see 
>>> that Apple have gotten around to it. I still like and will 
>>> occasionally use the Braille Badges from the American Printing 
>>> House; these emojys are much more than canes and dogs, and are super fun to 
>>> use, plus they're free.
>>>
>>> Wayne
>>>
>>>> On 3/25/18, Jewel <jewelbla...@kinect.co.nz> wrote:
>>>> Rob!  It is true that I am short, but petite!  I, regretably, am not!
>>>>
>>>> Jewel
>>>> --
>>>> From: "'RobH.' via VIPhone" <viphone@googlegroups.com>
>>>> Sent: Monday, March 26, 2018 6:22 AM
>>>> To: <viphone@googlegroups.com>
>>>> Subject: Re: Apple proposes new emojis for people with 
>>>> disabilities, CNET
>>>>
>>>> I love this comment.  Some of us like petite, me for example.  And 
>>>> to go against my own previous comment, sighted getting caught 
>>>> between their ankles is an absolute classic error they manage.  A 
>>>> cane can be too long if you cqan't withdraw it in quick manner to 
>>>> free from such a trap.  Mine is just about Sternum and needs to be 
>>>> pulled to the perpendicular without hitting me under the chin.
>>>> Mine is designed to achieve this,...   I just hated the RNIB offerings,
>>>> which are about the standard
>>>> offering the rest are stuck
>>>> with.
>>>>
>>>> RobH, hopes to get off mobility aids as such, soon now, and sorry I 
>>>> fell for the bait too.
>>>>
>>>> BobH.
>>>>
>>>> - Original Message -
>>>> From: "Jewel" <jewelbla...@kinect.co.nz>
>>>> To: <viphone@googlegroups.com>
>>>> Sent: Sunday, March 25, 2018 4:45 PM
>>>>

Re: Apple proposes new emojis for people with disabilities, CNET

[Kelly Pierce]

You should ask ACB this question, not me. ACB leadership approved this
controversial design. The inclusion of the blind emoji depends whether
Apple stands behind its submission or withdraws it and resubmits new
emoji. Blind people could also oppose the inclusion of some of the
emoji with the standards organization if Apple refuses to withdraw the
emoji. If the standards board rejects the proposal, the timeframe is
completely uncertain.

Kelly




On 3/26/18, Gerardo Corripio <gera1...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Which makes me wonder, when will they be available to start using?sa
>
> Gera
> Enviado desde mi iPhone 5S de Telcel
>
> El 26/03/2018, a la(s) 8:56 a. m., Kelly Pierce <kellyt...@gmail.com>
> escribió:
>
>> The issue is the perception the public has about blind people and
>> their independence. It is not about cane purchasing decisions. Apple
>> and the ACB are advancing the notion that short canes to the stomach
>> are normal and expected along with a cord wrapped tightly around a
>> blind person’s wrist. This is not how most blind people travel,
>> particularly the most independent and confident travelers. I
>> completely disagree with the proposition that inaccurate depictions of
>> blind people are better than none at all. Emoji’s are just one means
>> of how the public can change its belief on what it means to be blind.
>>
>> Kelly
>>
>>
>>> On 3/26/18, Wayne Merritt <wcmerr...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> I'm glad Apple is going to put some accessibility items in the ever
>>> growing emojy category. As stated before, the general populous is not
>>> going to make buying decisions based off of cane emojys, just like
>>> they would not make the buying decisions based off of other emojys. At
>>> least they are recognizing people with disabilities, even if it is in
>>> this small way. I recall not too long ago when emoji's were starting
>>> to be added at all, hearing concern from some blind folk that there
>>> were not any access emoji's. So it's good to see that Apple have
>>> gotten around to it. I still like and will occasionally use the
>>> Braille Badges from the American Printing House; these emojys are much
>>> more than canes and dogs, and are super fun to use, plus they're free.
>>>
>>> Wayne
>>>
>>>> On 3/25/18, Jewel <jewelbla...@kinect.co.nz> wrote:
>>>> Rob!  It is true that I am short, but petite!  I, regretably, am not!
>>>>
>>>> Jewel
>>>> --
>>>> From: "'RobH.' via VIPhone" <viphone@googlegroups.com>
>>>> Sent: Monday, March 26, 2018 6:22 AM
>>>> To: <viphone@googlegroups.com>
>>>> Subject: Re: Apple proposes new emojis for people with disabilities,
>>>> CNET
>>>>
>>>> I love this comment.  Some of us like petite, me for example.  And to
>>>> go
>>>> against my own previous
>>>> comment, sighted getting caught
>>>> between their ankles is an absolute classic error they manage.  A cane
>>>> can
>>>> be too long if you cqan't
>>>> withdraw it in quick manner to
>>>> free from such a trap.  Mine is just about Sternum and needs to be
>>>> pulled
>>>> to
>>>> the perpendicular
>>>> without hitting me under the chin.
>>>> Mine is designed to achieve this,...   I just hated the RNIB offerings,
>>>> which are about the standard
>>>> offering the rest are stuck
>>>> with.
>>>>
>>>> RobH, hopes to get off mobility aids as such, soon now, and sorry I
>>>> fell
>>>> for
>>>> the bait too.
>>>>
>>>> BobH.
>>>>
>>>> - Original Message -
>>>> From: "Jewel" <jewelbla...@kinect.co.nz>
>>>> To: <viphone@googlegroups.com>
>>>> Sent: Sunday, March 25, 2018 4:45 PM
>>>> Subject: Re: Apple proposes new emojis for people with disabilities,
>>>> CNET
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I * used to be 5 feet:  in my younger days, 5 feet 1 inch:  mustn't
>>>> forget
>>>> that precious 1 inch:
>>>> but, either everything in my house is growing, or I, shudder..shudder
>>>> and
>>>> perish the thought, am
>>>> getting shorter.  I swear that, hardly, a day goes by when I don't have
>>>> to
>>>> stand on less and less
>>>> toe tip to reach shelves.
>

Re: Apple proposes new emojis for people with disabilities, CNET

[Gerardo Corripio]

Which makes me wonder, when will they be available to start using?sa

Gera
Enviado desde mi iPhone 5S de Telcel

El 26/03/2018, a la(s) 8:56 a. m., Kelly Pierce <kellyt...@gmail.com> escribió:

> The issue is the perception the public has about blind people and
> their independence. It is not about cane purchasing decisions. Apple
> and the ACB are advancing the notion that short canes to the stomach
> are normal and expected along with a cord wrapped tightly around a
> blind person’s wrist. This is not how most blind people travel,
> particularly the most independent and confident travelers. I
> completely disagree with the proposition that inaccurate depictions of
> blind people are better than none at all. Emoji’s are just one means
> of how the public can change its belief on what it means to be blind.
> 
> Kelly
> 
> 
>> On 3/26/18, Wayne Merritt <wcmerr...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> I'm glad Apple is going to put some accessibility items in the ever
>> growing emojy category. As stated before, the general populous is not
>> going to make buying decisions based off of cane emojys, just like
>> they would not make the buying decisions based off of other emojys. At
>> least they are recognizing people with disabilities, even if it is in
>> this small way. I recall not too long ago when emoji's were starting
>> to be added at all, hearing concern from some blind folk that there
>> were not any access emoji's. So it's good to see that Apple have
>> gotten around to it. I still like and will occasionally use the
>> Braille Badges from the American Printing House; these emojys are much
>> more than canes and dogs, and are super fun to use, plus they're free.
>> 
>> Wayne
>> 
>>> On 3/25/18, Jewel <jewelbla...@kinect.co.nz> wrote:
>>> Rob!  It is true that I am short, but petite!  I, regretably, am not!
>>> 
>>> Jewel
>>> ----------------------
>>> From: "'RobH.' via VIPhone" <viphone@googlegroups.com>
>>> Sent: Monday, March 26, 2018 6:22 AM
>>> To: <viphone@googlegroups.com>
>>> Subject: Re: Apple proposes new emojis for people with disabilities, CNET
>>> 
>>> I love this comment.  Some of us like petite, me for example.  And to go
>>> against my own previous
>>> comment, sighted getting caught
>>> between their ankles is an absolute classic error they manage.  A cane
>>> can
>>> be too long if you cqan't
>>> withdraw it in quick manner to
>>> free from such a trap.  Mine is just about Sternum and needs to be pulled
>>> to
>>> the perpendicular
>>> without hitting me under the chin.
>>> Mine is designed to achieve this,...   I just hated the RNIB offerings,
>>> which are about the standard
>>> offering the rest are stuck
>>> with.
>>> 
>>> RobH, hopes to get off mobility aids as such, soon now, and sorry I fell
>>> for
>>> the bait too.
>>> 
>>> BobH.
>>> 
>>> - Original Message -
>>> From: "Jewel" <jewelbla...@kinect.co.nz>
>>> To: <viphone@googlegroups.com>
>>> Sent: Sunday, March 25, 2018 4:45 PM
>>> Subject: Re: Apple proposes new emojis for people with disabilities, CNET
>>> 
>>> 
>>> I * used to be 5 feet:  in my younger days, 5 feet 1 inch:  mustn't
>>> forget
>>> that precious 1 inch:
>>> but, either everything in my house is growing, or I, shudder..shudder and
>>> perish the thought, am
>>> getting shorter.  I swear that, hardly, a day goes by when I don't have
>>> to
>>> stand on less and less
>>> toe tip to reach shelves.
>>> and Christopher!  you don't know how short our streets are! so I might
>>> not
>>> have been exaggerating
>>> when I wrote of a chin-high long cane warning me of an obstacle, for
>>> instance,  an unsuspecting
>>> pedestrian who has just found the tip of a cane inserting itself between
>>> his/her ankles, when I, the
>>> cane wielder, was still only halfway down it.
>>> 
>>>   Jewel
>>> 
>>> --
>>> From: "Deidre Muccio" <deidreandlou...@gmail.com>
>>> Sent: Monday, March 26, 2018 3:06 AM
>>> To: <viphone@googlegroups.com>
>>> Subject: Re: Apple proposes new emojis for people with disabilities, CNET
>>> 
>>> Christopher, Perhaps you have not been following Jewel's post for a long
>>> time no

Re: Apple proposes new emojis for people with disabilities, CNET

[Kelly Pierce]

The issue is the perception the public has about blind people and
their independence. It is not about cane purchasing decisions. Apple
and the ACB are advancing the notion that short canes to the stomach
are normal and expected along with a cord wrapped tightly around a
blind person’s wrist. This is not how most blind people travel,
particularly the most independent and confident travelers. I
completely disagree with the proposition that inaccurate depictions of
blind people are better than none at all. Emoji’s are just one means
of how the public can change its belief on what it means to be blind.

Kelly


On 3/26/18, Wayne Merritt <wcmerr...@gmail.com> wrote:
> I'm glad Apple is going to put some accessibility items in the ever
> growing emojy category. As stated before, the general populous is not
> going to make buying decisions based off of cane emojys, just like
> they would not make the buying decisions based off of other emojys. At
> least they are recognizing people with disabilities, even if it is in
> this small way. I recall not too long ago when emoji's were starting
> to be added at all, hearing concern from some blind folk that there
> were not any access emoji's. So it's good to see that Apple have
> gotten around to it. I still like and will occasionally use the
> Braille Badges from the American Printing House; these emojys are much
> more than canes and dogs, and are super fun to use, plus they're free.
>
> Wayne
>
> On 3/25/18, Jewel <jewelbla...@kinect.co.nz> wrote:
>> Rob!  It is true that I am short, but petite!  I, regretably, am not!
>>
>> Jewel
>> --
>> From: "'RobH.' via VIPhone" <viphone@googlegroups.com>
>> Sent: Monday, March 26, 2018 6:22 AM
>> To: <viphone@googlegroups.com>
>> Subject: Re: Apple proposes new emojis for people with disabilities, CNET
>>
>> I love this comment.  Some of us like petite, me for example.  And to go
>> against my own previous
>> comment, sighted getting caught
>> between their ankles is an absolute classic error they manage.  A cane
>> can
>> be too long if you cqan't
>> withdraw it in quick manner to
>> free from such a trap.  Mine is just about Sternum and needs to be pulled
>> to
>> the perpendicular
>> without hitting me under the chin.
>> Mine is designed to achieve this,...   I just hated the RNIB offerings,
>> which are about the standard
>> offering the rest are stuck
>> with.
>>
>> RobH, hopes to get off mobility aids as such, soon now, and sorry I fell
>> for
>> the bait too.
>>
>> BobH.
>>
>> - Original Message -
>> From: "Jewel" <jewelbla...@kinect.co.nz>
>> To: <viphone@googlegroups.com>
>> Sent: Sunday, March 25, 2018 4:45 PM
>> Subject: Re: Apple proposes new emojis for people with disabilities, CNET
>>
>>
>> I * used to be 5 feet:  in my younger days, 5 feet 1 inch:  mustn't
>> forget
>> that precious 1 inch:
>> but, either everything in my house is growing, or I, shudder..shudder and
>> perish the thought, am
>> getting shorter.  I swear that, hardly, a day goes by when I don't have
>> to
>> stand on less and less
>> toe tip to reach shelves.
>> and Christopher!  you don't know how short our streets are! so I might
>> not
>> have been exaggerating
>> when I wrote of a chin-high long cane warning me of an obstacle, for
>> instance,  an unsuspecting
>> pedestrian who has just found the tip of a cane inserting itself between
>> his/her ankles, when I, the
>> cane wielder, was still only halfway down it.
>>
>>Jewel
>>
>> --
>> From: "Deidre Muccio" <deidreandlou...@gmail.com>
>> Sent: Monday, March 26, 2018 3:06 AM
>> To: <viphone@googlegroups.com>
>> Subject: Re: Apple proposes new emojis for people with disabilities, CNET
>>
>> Christopher, Perhaps you have not been following Jewel's post for a long
>> time now.  you don't grasp
>> her usual tongue and cheek or brand of Eumar. I would say that If Jewel
>> is
>> used to using a 3 foot
>> Kane then a 5 foot Kane is indeed going to seem like it's turning the
>> corner
>> long before she needs
>> to turn a corner. I had also experience the same feeling when I use
>> Kane's
>> that were measured up to
>> my chin as oppposed to up to my sternum. I find using a 3 foot cane, On
>> the
>> other hand,  too short
>> for me and makes me feel like I am pitching forward. I'm not sure how I
>> 

Re: Apple proposes new emojis for people with disabilities, CNET

[Wayne Merritt]

I'm glad Apple is going to put some accessibility items in the ever
growing emojy category. As stated before, the general populous is not
going to make buying decisions based off of cane emojys, just like
they would not make the buying decisions based off of other emojys. At
least they are recognizing people with disabilities, even if it is in
this small way. I recall not too long ago when emoji's were starting
to be added at all, hearing concern from some blind folk that there
were not any access emoji's. So it's good to see that Apple have
gotten around to it. I still like and will occasionally use the
Braille Badges from the American Printing House; these emojys are much
more than canes and dogs, and are super fun to use, plus they're free.

Wayne

On 3/25/18, Jewel <jewelbla...@kinect.co.nz> wrote:
> Rob!  It is true that I am short, but petite!  I, regretably, am not!
>
> Jewel
> --
> From: "'RobH.' via VIPhone" <viphone@googlegroups.com>
> Sent: Monday, March 26, 2018 6:22 AM
> To: <viphone@googlegroups.com>
> Subject: Re: Apple proposes new emojis for people with disabilities, CNET
>
> I love this comment.  Some of us like petite, me for example.  And to go
> against my own previous
> comment, sighted getting caught
> between their ankles is an absolute classic error they manage.  A cane can
> be too long if you cqan't
> withdraw it in quick manner to
> free from such a trap.  Mine is just about Sternum and needs to be pulled to
> the perpendicular
> without hitting me under the chin.
> Mine is designed to achieve this,...   I just hated the RNIB offerings,
> which are about the standard
> offering the rest are stuck
> with.
>
> RobH, hopes to get off mobility aids as such, soon now, and sorry I fell for
> the bait too.
>
> BobH.
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "Jewel" <jewelbla...@kinect.co.nz>
> To: <viphone@googlegroups.com>
> Sent: Sunday, March 25, 2018 4:45 PM
> Subject: Re: Apple proposes new emojis for people with disabilities, CNET
>
>
> I * used to be 5 feet:  in my younger days, 5 feet 1 inch:  mustn't forget
> that precious 1 inch:
> but, either everything in my house is growing, or I, shudder..shudder and
> perish the thought, am
> getting shorter.  I swear that, hardly, a day goes by when I don't have to
> stand on less and less
> toe tip to reach shelves.
> and Christopher!  you don't know how short our streets are! so I might not
> have been exaggerating
> when I wrote of a chin-high long cane warning me of an obstacle, for
> instance,  an unsuspecting
> pedestrian who has just found the tip of a cane inserting itself between
> his/her ankles, when I, the
> cane wielder, was still only halfway down it.
>
>        Jewel
>
> ----------
> From: "Deidre Muccio" <deidreandlou...@gmail.com>
> Sent: Monday, March 26, 2018 3:06 AM
> To: <viphone@googlegroups.com>
> Subject: Re: Apple proposes new emojis for people with disabilities, CNET
>
> Christopher, Perhaps you have not been following Jewel's post for a long
> time now.  you don't grasp
> her usual tongue and cheek or brand of Eumar. I would say that If Jewel is
> used to using a 3 foot
> Kane then a 5 foot Kane is indeed going to seem like it's turning the corner
> long before she needs
> to turn a corner. I had also experience the same feeling when I use Kane's
> that were measured up to
> my chin as oppposed to up to my sternum. I find using a 3 foot cane, On the
> other hand,  too short
> for me and makes me feel like I am pitching forward. I'm not sure how I know
> this, but I also
> believe that Jewel is 5 feet tall so maybe a 3 foot long Kane would  be the
> right size for her!
> As for the emoticon, I'm not sure in what context one would care to use one.
> I think that was
> spelled out in  the post put out by Apple, but I've already spaced it out
> cause it only brought
> comical images rather than anything useful to mind for me.
>
> Deidre
>
>
>> On Mar 25, 2018, at 9:34 AM, Christopher Chaltain <chalt...@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> Well, the idea behind the long cane is that you want a cane that will
>> sweep out the space that
>> you're about to step into. A shorter cane means that you'd either have to
>> walk slower and take
>> shorter steps or increase the risk of running into something since you
>> won't have enough warning
>> to stop.
>>
>>
>> Obviously, anyone can choose to use any length of cane they want, but a
>> five foot long cane, when
>> holding it at an angle, is hardly going to extend half way down the
>> s

Re: Apple proposes new emojis for people with disabilities, CNET

[Jewel]

Rob!  It is true that I am short, but petite!  I, regretably, am not!

Jewel
--
From: "'RobH.' via VIPhone" <viphone@googlegroups.com>
Sent: Monday, March 26, 2018 6:22 AM
To: <viphone@googlegroups.com>
Subject: Re: Apple proposes new emojis for people with disabilities, CNET

I love this comment.  Some of us like petite, me for example.  And to go 
against my own previous 
comment, sighted getting caught
between their ankles is an absolute classic error they manage.  A cane can be 
too long if you cqan't 
withdraw it in quick manner to
free from such a trap.  Mine is just about Sternum and needs to be pulled to 
the perpendicular 
without hitting me under the chin.
Mine is designed to achieve this,...   I just hated the RNIB offerings, which 
are about the standard 
offering the rest are stuck
with.

RobH, hopes to get off mobility aids as such, soon now, and sorry I fell for 
the bait too.

BobH.

- Original Message - 
From: "Jewel" <jewelbla...@kinect.co.nz>
To: <viphone@googlegroups.com>
Sent: Sunday, March 25, 2018 4:45 PM
Subject: Re: Apple proposes new emojis for people with disabilities, CNET


I * used to be 5 feet:  in my younger days, 5 feet 1 inch:  mustn't forget that 
precious 1 inch:
but, either everything in my house is growing, or I, shudder..shudder and 
perish the thought, am
getting shorter.  I swear that, hardly, a day goes by when I don't have to 
stand on less and less
toe tip to reach shelves.
and Christopher!  you don't know how short our streets are! so I might not have 
been exaggerating
when I wrote of a chin-high long cane warning me of an obstacle, for instance,  
an unsuspecting
pedestrian who has just found the tip of a cane inserting itself between 
his/her ankles, when I, the
cane wielder, was still only halfway down it.

   Jewel

--
From: "Deidre Muccio" <deidreandlou...@gmail.com>
Sent: Monday, March 26, 2018 3:06 AM
To: <viphone@googlegroups.com>
Subject: Re: Apple proposes new emojis for people with disabilities, CNET

Christopher, Perhaps you have not been following Jewel's post for a long time 
now.  you don't grasp
her usual tongue and cheek or brand of Eumar. I would say that If Jewel is used 
to using a 3 foot
Kane then a 5 foot Kane is indeed going to seem like it's turning the corner 
long before she needs
to turn a corner. I had also experience the same feeling when I use Kane's that 
were measured up to
my chin as oppposed to up to my sternum. I find using a 3 foot cane, On the 
other hand,  too short
for me and makes me feel like I am pitching forward. I'm not sure how I know 
this, but I also
believe that Jewel is 5 feet tall so maybe a 3 foot long Kane would  be the 
right size for her!
As for the emoticon, I'm not sure in what context one would care to use one. I 
think that was
spelled out in  the post put out by Apple, but I've already spaced it out cause 
it only brought
comical images rather than anything useful to mind for me.

Deidre


> On Mar 25, 2018, at 9:34 AM, Christopher Chaltain <chalt...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Well, the idea behind the long cane is that you want a cane that will sweep 
> out the space that
> you're about to step into. A shorter cane means that you'd either have to 
> walk slower and take
> shorter steps or increase the risk of running into something since you won't 
> have enough warning
> to stop.
>
>
> Obviously, anyone can choose to use any length of cane they want, but a five 
> foot long cane, when
> holding it at an angle, is hardly going to extend half way down the street.
>
>
>
>
>> On 03/25/2018 04:41 AM, Jewel wrote:
>> On the rare occasions that I went out on the street sans guide dog, my cane 
>> was 3 feet long, and
>> I
>> found that, completely adequate.  A cane extending to the sternum, and even 
>> worse, the chin!  my
>> blood curdles at the very thought!  If there is an obstacle to avoid, I 
>> would rather know about
>> it
>> when I am close, not still halfway down the street!
>> It will be understood that I grew up in the era before the long cane, so my 
>> mobility education
>> was
>> with the 3 footer!
>>
>>      Jewel
>>
>> ------
>> From: "Kelly Pierce" <kellyt...@gmail.com>
>> Sent: Sunday, March 25, 2018 2:54 PM
>> To: <viphone@googlegroups.com>
>> Subject: Re: Apple proposes new emojis for people with disabilities, CNET
>>
>> I became suspicious when I noticed that the only blindness
>> organization consulted by Apple in press reports was the American
>> Council of the Blind. A sighted friend examined the emojis and found
>> the canes ap

RE: Apple proposes new emojis for people with disabilities, CNET

[David Moore]

I use my cane much better when it only comes up to my chest. Longer than that, 
just gets in the way for me. With a longer cane, I walk slower, and the cane is 
so cumbersome for me. To my chest, I would rather hold my arm out, and I can 
control the cane so great, and barely tap the ground, and never hit a person 
with my cane. Above the chest is not for me!
David Moore
Sent from Mail for Windows 10

From: 'RobH.' via VIPhone
Sent: Sunday, March 25, 2018 1:22 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Apple proposes new emojis for people with disabilities, CNET

I love this comment.  Some of us like petite, me for example.  And to go 
against my own previous comment, sighted getting caught 
between their ankles is an absolute classic error they manage.  A cane can be 
too long if you cqan't withdraw it in quick manner to 
free from such a trap.  Mine is just about Sternum and needs to be pulled to 
the perpendicular without hitting me under the chin. 
Mine is designed to achieve this,...   I just hated the RNIB offerings, which 
are about the standard offering the rest are stuck 
with.

RobH, hopes to get off mobility aids as such, soon now, and sorry I fell for 
the bait too.

BobH.

- Original Message - 
From: "Jewel" <jewelbla...@kinect.co.nz>
To: <viphone@googlegroups.com>
Sent: Sunday, March 25, 2018 4:45 PM
Subject: Re: Apple proposes new emojis for people with disabilities, CNET


I * used to be 5 feet:  in my younger days, 5 feet 1 inch:  mustn't forget that 
precious 1 inch:
but, either everything in my house is growing, or I, shudder..shudder and 
perish the thought, am
getting shorter.  I swear that, hardly, a day goes by when I don't have to 
stand on less and less
toe tip to reach shelves.
and Christopher!  you don't know how short our streets are! so I might not have 
been exaggerating
when I wrote of a chin-high long cane warning me of an obstacle, for instance,  
an unsuspecting
pedestrian who has just found the tip of a cane inserting itself between 
his/her ankles, when I, the
cane wielder, was still only halfway down it.

   Jewel

--
From: "Deidre Muccio" <deidreandlou...@gmail.com>
Sent: Monday, March 26, 2018 3:06 AM
To: <viphone@googlegroups.com>
Subject: Re: Apple proposes new emojis for people with disabilities, CNET

Christopher, Perhaps you have not been following Jewel's post for a long time 
now.  you don't grasp
her usual tongue and cheek or brand of Eumar. I would say that If Jewel is used 
to using a 3 foot
Kane then a 5 foot Kane is indeed going to seem like it's turning the corner 
long before she needs
to turn a corner. I had also experience the same feeling when I use Kane's that 
were measured up to
my chin as oppposed to up to my sternum. I find using a 3 foot cane, On the 
other hand,  too short
for me and makes me feel like I am pitching forward. I'm not sure how I know 
this, but I also
believe that Jewel is 5 feet tall so maybe a 3 foot long Kane would  be the 
right size for her!
As for the emoticon, I'm not sure in what context one would care to use one. I 
think that was
spelled out in  the post put out by Apple, but I've already spaced it out cause 
it only brought
comical images rather than anything useful to mind for me.

Deidre


> On Mar 25, 2018, at 9:34 AM, Christopher Chaltain <chalt...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Well, the idea behind the long cane is that you want a cane that will sweep 
> out the space that
> you're about to step into. A shorter cane means that you'd either have to 
> walk slower and take
> shorter steps or increase the risk of running into something since you won't 
> have enough warning
> to stop.
>
>
> Obviously, anyone can choose to use any length of cane they want, but a five 
> foot long cane, when
> holding it at an angle, is hardly going to extend half way down the street.
>
>
>
>
>> On 03/25/2018 04:41 AM, Jewel wrote:
>> On the rare occasions that I went out on the street sans guide dog, my cane 
>> was 3 feet long, and
>> I
>> found that, completely adequate.  A cane extending to the sternum, and even 
>> worse, the chin!  my
>> blood curdles at the very thought!  If there is an obstacle to avoid, I 
>> would rather know about
>> it
>> when I am close, not still halfway down the street!
>> It will be understood that I grew up in the era before the long cane, so my 
>> mobility education
>> was
>> with the 3 footer!
>>
>>      Jewel
>>
>> ----------
>> From: "Kelly Pierce" <kellyt...@gmail.com>
>> Sent: Sunday, March 25, 2018 2:54 PM
>> To: <viphone@googlegroups.com>
>> Subject: Re: Apple proposes new emojis for people with disabilities, CNET
>>
>> I b

Re: Apple proposes new emojis for people with disabilities, CNET

['RobH.' via VIPhone]

I love this comment.  Some of us like petite, me for example.  And to go 
against my own previous comment, sighted getting caught 
between their ankles is an absolute classic error they manage.  A cane can be 
too long if you cqan't withdraw it in quick manner to 
free from such a trap.  Mine is just about Sternum and needs to be pulled to 
the perpendicular without hitting me under the chin. 
Mine is designed to achieve this,...   I just hated the RNIB offerings, which 
are about the standard offering the rest are stuck 
with.

RobH, hopes to get off mobility aids as such, soon now, and sorry I fell for 
the bait too.

BobH.

- Original Message - 
From: "Jewel" <jewelbla...@kinect.co.nz>
To: <viphone@googlegroups.com>
Sent: Sunday, March 25, 2018 4:45 PM
Subject: Re: Apple proposes new emojis for people with disabilities, CNET


I * used to be 5 feet:  in my younger days, 5 feet 1 inch:  mustn't forget that 
precious 1 inch:
but, either everything in my house is growing, or I, shudder..shudder and 
perish the thought, am
getting shorter.  I swear that, hardly, a day goes by when I don't have to 
stand on less and less
toe tip to reach shelves.
and Christopher!  you don't know how short our streets are! so I might not have 
been exaggerating
when I wrote of a chin-high long cane warning me of an obstacle, for instance,  
an unsuspecting
pedestrian who has just found the tip of a cane inserting itself between 
his/her ankles, when I, the
cane wielder, was still only halfway down it.

   Jewel

--
From: "Deidre Muccio" <deidreandlou...@gmail.com>
Sent: Monday, March 26, 2018 3:06 AM
To: <viphone@googlegroups.com>
Subject: Re: Apple proposes new emojis for people with disabilities, CNET

Christopher, Perhaps you have not been following Jewel's post for a long time 
now.  you don't grasp
her usual tongue and cheek or brand of Eumar. I would say that If Jewel is used 
to using a 3 foot
Kane then a 5 foot Kane is indeed going to seem like it's turning the corner 
long before she needs
to turn a corner. I had also experience the same feeling when I use Kane's that 
were measured up to
my chin as oppposed to up to my sternum. I find using a 3 foot cane, On the 
other hand,  too short
for me and makes me feel like I am pitching forward. I'm not sure how I know 
this, but I also
believe that Jewel is 5 feet tall so maybe a 3 foot long Kane would  be the 
right size for her!
As for the emoticon, I'm not sure in what context one would care to use one. I 
think that was
spelled out in  the post put out by Apple, but I've already spaced it out cause 
it only brought
comical images rather than anything useful to mind for me.

Deidre


> On Mar 25, 2018, at 9:34 AM, Christopher Chaltain <chalt...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Well, the idea behind the long cane is that you want a cane that will sweep 
> out the space that
> you're about to step into. A shorter cane means that you'd either have to 
> walk slower and take
> shorter steps or increase the risk of running into something since you won't 
> have enough warning
> to stop.
>
>
> Obviously, anyone can choose to use any length of cane they want, but a five 
> foot long cane, when
> holding it at an angle, is hardly going to extend half way down the street.
>
>
>
>
>> On 03/25/2018 04:41 AM, Jewel wrote:
>> On the rare occasions that I went out on the street sans guide dog, my cane 
>> was 3 feet long, and
>> I
>> found that, completely adequate.  A cane extending to the sternum, and even 
>> worse, the chin!  my
>> blood curdles at the very thought!  If there is an obstacle to avoid, I 
>> would rather know about
>> it
>> when I am close, not still halfway down the street!
>> It will be understood that I grew up in the era before the long cane, so my 
>> mobility education
>> was
>> with the 3 footer!
>>
>>      Jewel
>>
>> ----------
>> From: "Kelly Pierce" <kellyt...@gmail.com>
>> Sent: Sunday, March 25, 2018 2:54 PM
>> To: <viphone@googlegroups.com>
>> Subject: Re: Apple proposes new emojis for people with disabilities, CNET
>>
>> I became suspicious when I noticed that the only blindness
>> organization consulted by Apple in press reports was the American
>> Council of the Blind. A sighted friend examined the emojis and found
>> the canes appear to only extend to the elbows of the blind people, who
>> appear to be age 12. This cane length is below the sternum, which is
>> the minimum cane length advocated by the Association for Education and
>> Rehabilitation of the Blind and Visually Impaired. ACB regularly
>> affiliates with AER.  The National Federa

Re: Apple proposes new emojis for people with disabilities, CNET

[Christopher Chaltain]

Hah, fair enough. My wife is 5 feet 1 inch, so I know how important that 
1 inch is!



Sorry I was so critical, and I should have realized there was some humor 
and sarcasm involved, but I've just seen so many posts with 
exaggerations and melodrama that I'm afraid I over reacted. I hope 
you'll accept my apology.



I'm 5 feet 7 inches, and my cane is 5 feet long. If you're 5 feet 1 inch 
then you're cane would be more like 4 and a half feet long. I'm sure 
you're streets are pretty short, but unless they're only 10 feet long, 
which would mean you'd have some pretty thin houses on that street, it's 
still not going to reach half way down that street!



On 03/25/2018 10:45 AM, Jewel wrote:

I * used to be 5 feet:  in my younger days, 5 feet 1 inch:  mustn't forget that 
precious 1 inch:
but, either everything in my house is growing, or I, shudder..shudder and 
perish the thought, am
getting shorter.  I swear that, hardly, a day goes by when I don't have to 
stand on less and less
toe tip to reach shelves.
and Christopher!  you don't know how short our streets are! so I might not have 
been exaggerating
when I wrote of a chin-high long cane warning me of an obstacle, for instance,  
an unsuspecting
pedestrian who has just found the tip of a cane inserting itself between 
his/her ankles, when I, the
cane wielder, was still only halfway down it.

Jewel

--
From: "Deidre Muccio" <deidreandlou...@gmail.com>
Sent: Monday, March 26, 2018 3:06 AM
To: <viphone@googlegroups.com>
Subject: Re: Apple proposes new emojis for people with disabilities, CNET

Christopher, Perhaps you have not been following Jewel's post for a long time 
now.  you don't grasp
her usual tongue and cheek or brand of Eumar. I would say that If Jewel is used 
to using a 3 foot
Kane then a 5 foot Kane is indeed going to seem like it's turning the corner 
long before she needs
to turn a corner. I had also experience the same feeling when I use Kane's that 
were measured up to
my chin as oppposed to up to my sternum. I find using a 3 foot cane, On the 
other hand,  too short
for me and makes me feel like I am pitching forward. I'm not sure how I know 
this, but I also
believe that Jewel is 5 feet tall so maybe a 3 foot long Kane would  be the 
right size for her!
As for the emoticon, I'm not sure in what context one would care to use one. I 
think that was
spelled out in  the post put out by Apple, but I've already spaced it out cause 
it only brought
comical images rather than anything useful to mind for me.

Deidre



On Mar 25, 2018, at 9:34 AM, Christopher Chaltain <chalt...@gmail.com> wrote:

Well, the idea behind the long cane is that you want a cane that will sweep out 
the space that
you're about to step into. A shorter cane means that you'd either have to walk 
slower and take
shorter steps or increase the risk of running into something since you won't 
have enough warning
to stop.


Obviously, anyone can choose to use any length of cane they want, but a five 
foot long cane, when
holding it at an angle, is hardly going to extend half way down the street.





On 03/25/2018 04:41 AM, Jewel wrote:
On the rare occasions that I went out on the street sans guide dog, my cane was 
3 feet long, and
I
found that, completely adequate.  A cane extending to the sternum, and even 
worse, the chin!  my
blood curdles at the very thought!  If there is an obstacle to avoid, I would 
rather know about
it
when I am close, not still halfway down the street!
It will be understood that I grew up in the era before the long cane, so my 
mobility education
was
with the 3 footer!

  Jewel

--
From: "Kelly Pierce" <kellyt...@gmail.com>
Sent: Sunday, March 25, 2018 2:54 PM
To: <viphone@googlegroups.com>
Subject: Re: Apple proposes new emojis for people with disabilities, CNET

I became suspicious when I noticed that the only blindness
organization consulted by Apple in press reports was the American
Council of the Blind. A sighted friend examined the emojis and found
the canes appear to only extend to the elbows of the blind people, who
appear to be age 12. This cane length is below the sternum, which is
the minimum cane length advocated by the Association for Education and
Rehabilitation of the Blind and Visually Impaired. ACB regularly
affiliates with AER.  The National Federation of the Blind recommends
that white canes extend past the chin.  It is sad Apple has brazenly
picked a political side in the white canes and travel debate rather
than develop an image representative of independent blind travel. The
blind people in the emoji’s are holding really short white canes with
red tips and a black golf grip with the nylon cord around their
wrists, which can often be a safety hazard. If blind people have their
canes caught in the doors of rapid transit or light rail trains, they
could be dragged 

Re: Apple proposes new emojis for people with disabilities, CNET

['RobH.' via VIPhone]

All this cane length argument aside, we are wandering off topic some;  we were 
talking about how appropriate new images would be. 
Since the image described mentioned a short cane,  this is normal for a purely 
symbol cane rather than full mobility device.  It is 
about public perception of what cane means, and subsequently needs. What cane 
we use and how, is a personal thing.  I had a custom 
one built and wouldn't now use anything else. Be thankful they aren't 
representing blind using a symbol of those huge black-out 
glasses that get issued to so many.

JMO, BobH.

- Original Message - 
From: "Deidre Muccio" <deidreandlou...@gmail.com>
To: <viphone@googlegroups.com>
Sent: Sunday, March 25, 2018 3:06 PM
Subject: Re: Apple proposes new emojis for people with disabilities, CNET


Christopher, Perhaps you have not been following Jewel's post for a long time 
now.  you don't grasp her usual tongue and cheek or 
brand of Eumar. I would say that If Jewel is used to using a 3 foot Kane then a 
5 foot Kane is indeed going to seem like it's 
turning the corner long before she needs to turn a corner. I had also 
experience the same feeling when I use Kane's that were 
measured up to my chin as oppposed to up to my sternum. I find using a 3 foot 
cane, On the other hand,  too short for me and makes 
me feel like I am pitching forward. I'm not sure how I know this, but I also 
believe that Jewel is 5 feet tall so maybe a 3 foot 
long Kane would  be the right size for her!
As for the emoticon, I'm not sure in what context one would care to use one. I 
think that was spelled out in  the post put out by 
Apple, but I've already spaced it out cause it only brought comical images 
rather than anything useful to mind for me.

Deidre


> On Mar 25, 2018, at 9:34 AM, Christopher Chaltain <chalt...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Well, the idea behind the long cane is that you want a cane that will sweep 
> out the space that you're about to step into. A 
> shorter cane means that you'd either have to walk slower and take shorter 
> steps or increase the risk of running into something 
> since you won't have enough warning to stop.
>
>
> Obviously, anyone can choose to use any length of cane they want, but a five 
> foot long cane, when holding it at an angle, is 
> hardly going to extend half way down the street.
>
>
>
>
>> On 03/25/2018 04:41 AM, Jewel wrote:
>> On the rare occasions that I went out on the street sans guide dog, my cane 
>> was 3 feet long, and I
>> found that, completely adequate.  A cane extending to the sternum, and even 
>> worse, the chin!  my
>> blood curdles at the very thought!  If there is an obstacle to avoid, I 
>> would rather know about it
>> when I am close, not still halfway down the street!
>> It will be understood that I grew up in the era before the long cane, so my 
>> mobility education was
>> with the 3 footer!
>>
>>  Jewel
>>
>> --------------
>> From: "Kelly Pierce" <kellyt...@gmail.com>
>> Sent: Sunday, March 25, 2018 2:54 PM
>> To: <viphone@googlegroups.com>
>> Subject: Re: Apple proposes new emojis for people with disabilities, CNET
>>
>> I became suspicious when I noticed that the only blindness
>> organization consulted by Apple in press reports was the American
>> Council of the Blind. A sighted friend examined the emojis and found
>> the canes appear to only extend to the elbows of the blind people, who
>> appear to be age 12. This cane length is below the sternum, which is
>> the minimum cane length advocated by the Association for Education and
>> Rehabilitation of the Blind and Visually Impaired. ACB regularly
>> affiliates with AER.  The National Federation of the Blind recommends
>> that white canes extend past the chin.  It is sad Apple has brazenly
>> picked a political side in the white canes and travel debate rather
>> than develop an image representative of independent blind travel. The
>> blind people in the emoji’s are holding really short white canes with
>> red tips and a black golf grip with the nylon cord around their
>> wrists, which can often be a safety hazard. If blind people have their
>> canes caught in the doors of rapid transit or light rail trains, they
>> could be dragged to their deaths when the train rapidly accelerates
>> rather than having the cane just knocked out of their hand if a strap
>> is not wrapped around their wrist. It sets a poor example of cane use
>> to the public and blind people everywhere. I will ask Apple to
>> withdraw its submission and create new emoji that actually
>> demonstrates safe independent travel.
>>
>> Kelly
>

Re: Apple proposes new emojis for people with disabilities, CNET

[Jewel]

I * used to be 5 feet:  in my younger days, 5 feet 1 inch:  mustn't forget that 
precious 1 inch: 
but, either everything in my house is growing, or I, shudder..shudder and 
perish the thought, am 
getting shorter.  I swear that, hardly, a day goes by when I don't have to 
stand on less and less 
toe tip to reach shelves.
and Christopher!  you don't know how short our streets are! so I might not have 
been exaggerating 
when I wrote of a chin-high long cane warning me of an obstacle, for instance,  
an unsuspecting 
pedestrian who has just found the tip of a cane inserting itself between 
his/her ankles, when I, the 
cane wielder, was still only halfway down it.

   Jewel

--
From: "Deidre Muccio" <deidreandlou...@gmail.com>
Sent: Monday, March 26, 2018 3:06 AM
To: <viphone@googlegroups.com>
Subject: Re: Apple proposes new emojis for people with disabilities, CNET

Christopher, Perhaps you have not been following Jewel's post for a long time 
now.  you don't grasp 
her usual tongue and cheek or brand of Eumar. I would say that If Jewel is used 
to using a 3 foot 
Kane then a 5 foot Kane is indeed going to seem like it's turning the corner 
long before she needs 
to turn a corner. I had also experience the same feeling when I use Kane's that 
were measured up to 
my chin as oppposed to up to my sternum. I find using a 3 foot cane, On the 
other hand,  too short 
for me and makes me feel like I am pitching forward. I'm not sure how I know 
this, but I also 
believe that Jewel is 5 feet tall so maybe a 3 foot long Kane would  be the 
right size for her!
As for the emoticon, I'm not sure in what context one would care to use one. I 
think that was 
spelled out in  the post put out by Apple, but I've already spaced it out cause 
it only brought 
comical images rather than anything useful to mind for me.

Deidre


> On Mar 25, 2018, at 9:34 AM, Christopher Chaltain <chalt...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Well, the idea behind the long cane is that you want a cane that will sweep 
> out the space that 
> you're about to step into. A shorter cane means that you'd either have to 
> walk slower and take 
> shorter steps or increase the risk of running into something since you won't 
> have enough warning 
> to stop.
>
>
> Obviously, anyone can choose to use any length of cane they want, but a five 
> foot long cane, when 
> holding it at an angle, is hardly going to extend half way down the street.
>
>
>
>
>> On 03/25/2018 04:41 AM, Jewel wrote:
>> On the rare occasions that I went out on the street sans guide dog, my cane 
>> was 3 feet long, and 
>> I
>> found that, completely adequate.  A cane extending to the sternum, and even 
>> worse, the chin!  my
>> blood curdles at the very thought!  If there is an obstacle to avoid, I 
>> would rather know about 
>> it
>> when I am close, not still halfway down the street!
>> It will be understood that I grew up in the era before the long cane, so my 
>> mobility education 
>> was
>> with the 3 footer!
>>
>>  Jewel
>>
>> ------------------
>> From: "Kelly Pierce" <kellyt...@gmail.com>
>> Sent: Sunday, March 25, 2018 2:54 PM
>> To: <viphone@googlegroups.com>
>> Subject: Re: Apple proposes new emojis for people with disabilities, CNET
>>
>> I became suspicious when I noticed that the only blindness
>> organization consulted by Apple in press reports was the American
>> Council of the Blind. A sighted friend examined the emojis and found
>> the canes appear to only extend to the elbows of the blind people, who
>> appear to be age 12. This cane length is below the sternum, which is
>> the minimum cane length advocated by the Association for Education and
>> Rehabilitation of the Blind and Visually Impaired. ACB regularly
>> affiliates with AER.  The National Federation of the Blind recommends
>> that white canes extend past the chin.  It is sad Apple has brazenly
>> picked a political side in the white canes and travel debate rather
>> than develop an image representative of independent blind travel. The
>> blind people in the emoji’s are holding really short white canes with
>> red tips and a black golf grip with the nylon cord around their
>> wrists, which can often be a safety hazard. If blind people have their
>> canes caught in the doors of rapid transit or light rail trains, they
>> could be dragged to their deaths when the train rapidly accelerates
>> rather than having the cane just knocked out of their hand if a strap
>> is not wrapped around their wrist. It sets a poor example of cane use
>> to the public and blind people everywhere

Re: Apple proposes new emojis for people with disabilities, CNET

[Deidre Muccio]

Christopher, Perhaps you have not been following Jewel's post for a long time 
now.  you don't grasp her usual tongue and cheek or brand of Eumar. I would say 
that If Jewel is used to using a 3 foot Kane then a 5 foot Kane is indeed going 
to seem like it's turning the corner long before she needs to turn a corner. I 
had also experience the same feeling when I use Kane's that were measured up to 
my chin as oppposed to up to my sternum. I find using a 3 foot cane, On the 
other hand,  too short for me and makes me feel like I am pitching forward. I'm 
not sure how I know this, but I also believe that Jewel is 5 feet tall so maybe 
a 3 foot long Kane would  be the right size for her! 
As for the emoticon, I'm not sure in what context one would care to use one. I 
think that was spelled out in  the post put out by Apple, but I've already 
spaced it out cause it only brought comical images rather than anything useful 
to mind for me.

Deidre


> On Mar 25, 2018, at 9:34 AM, Christopher Chaltain <chalt...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Well, the idea behind the long cane is that you want a cane that will sweep 
> out the space that you're about to step into. A shorter cane means that you'd 
> either have to walk slower and take shorter steps or increase the risk of 
> running into something since you won't have enough warning to stop.
> 
> 
> Obviously, anyone can choose to use any length of cane they want, but a five 
> foot long cane, when holding it at an angle, is hardly going to extend half 
> way down the street.
> 
> 
> 
> 
>> On 03/25/2018 04:41 AM, Jewel wrote:
>> On the rare occasions that I went out on the street sans guide dog, my cane 
>> was 3 feet long, and I
>> found that, completely adequate.  A cane extending to the sternum, and even 
>> worse, the chin!  my
>> blood curdles at the very thought!  If there is an obstacle to avoid, I 
>> would rather know about it
>> when I am close, not still halfway down the street!
>> It will be understood that I grew up in the era before the long cane, so my 
>> mobility education was
>> with the 3 footer!
>> 
>>  Jewel
>> 
>> ------
>> From: "Kelly Pierce" <kellyt...@gmail.com>
>> Sent: Sunday, March 25, 2018 2:54 PM
>> To: <viphone@googlegroups.com>
>> Subject: Re: Apple proposes new emojis for people with disabilities, CNET
>> 
>> I became suspicious when I noticed that the only blindness
>> organization consulted by Apple in press reports was the American
>> Council of the Blind. A sighted friend examined the emojis and found
>> the canes appear to only extend to the elbows of the blind people, who
>> appear to be age 12. This cane length is below the sternum, which is
>> the minimum cane length advocated by the Association for Education and
>> Rehabilitation of the Blind and Visually Impaired. ACB regularly
>> affiliates with AER.  The National Federation of the Blind recommends
>> that white canes extend past the chin.  It is sad Apple has brazenly
>> picked a political side in the white canes and travel debate rather
>> than develop an image representative of independent blind travel. The
>> blind people in the emoji’s are holding really short white canes with
>> red tips and a black golf grip with the nylon cord around their
>> wrists, which can often be a safety hazard. If blind people have their
>> canes caught in the doors of rapid transit or light rail trains, they
>> could be dragged to their deaths when the train rapidly accelerates
>> rather than having the cane just knocked out of their hand if a strap
>> is not wrapped around their wrist. It sets a poor example of cane use
>> to the public and blind people everywhere. I will ask Apple to
>> withdraw its submission and create new emoji that actually
>> demonstrates safe independent travel.
>> 
>> Kelly
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On 3/23/18, M. Taylor <mk...@ucla.edu> wrote:
>>> Apple proposes new emojis for people with disabilities
>>> The iPhone maker offered up 13 new designs for review.
>>> By Jessica Dolcourt, March 23, 2018 11:54 AM PDT
>>> 
>>> A wheelchair, a service dog and prosthetic limbs could join your emojis of
>>> men and women jogging and playing sports.
>>> 
>>> Three of the 13 new emojis Apple has submitted to Unicode for evaluation.
>>> Apple/CNET
>>> Apple has proposed 13 new emojis to include more experiences for people
>>> with
>>> disabilities. The iPhone-maker submitted its formal request to Unicode, the
>>> consortium that governs the standard

Re: Apple proposes new emojis for people with disabilities, CNET

[Christopher Chaltain]

Well, the idea behind the long cane is that you want a cane that will 
sweep out the space that you're about to step into. A shorter cane means 
that you'd either have to walk slower and take shorter steps or increase 
the risk of running into something since you won't have enough warning 
to stop.



Obviously, anyone can choose to use any length of cane they want, but a 
five foot long cane, when holding it at an angle, is hardly going to 
extend half way down the street.





On 03/25/2018 04:41 AM, Jewel wrote:

On the rare occasions that I went out on the street sans guide dog, my cane was 
3 feet long, and I
found that, completely adequate.  A cane extending to the sternum, and even 
worse, the chin!  my
blood curdles at the very thought!  If there is an obstacle to avoid, I would 
rather know about it
when I am close, not still halfway down the street!
It will be understood that I grew up in the era before the long cane, so my 
mobility education was
with the 3 footer!

  Jewel

--
From: "Kelly Pierce" <kellyt...@gmail.com>
Sent: Sunday, March 25, 2018 2:54 PM
To: <viphone@googlegroups.com>
Subject: Re: Apple proposes new emojis for people with disabilities, CNET

I became suspicious when I noticed that the only blindness
organization consulted by Apple in press reports was the American
Council of the Blind. A sighted friend examined the emojis and found
the canes appear to only extend to the elbows of the blind people, who
appear to be age 12. This cane length is below the sternum, which is
the minimum cane length advocated by the Association for Education and
Rehabilitation of the Blind and Visually Impaired. ACB regularly
affiliates with AER.  The National Federation of the Blind recommends
that white canes extend past the chin.  It is sad Apple has brazenly
picked a political side in the white canes and travel debate rather
than develop an image representative of independent blind travel. The
blind people in the emoji’s are holding really short white canes with
red tips and a black golf grip with the nylon cord around their
wrists, which can often be a safety hazard. If blind people have their
canes caught in the doors of rapid transit or light rail trains, they
could be dragged to their deaths when the train rapidly accelerates
rather than having the cane just knocked out of their hand if a strap
is not wrapped around their wrist. It sets a poor example of cane use
to the public and blind people everywhere. I will ask Apple to
withdraw its submission and create new emoji that actually
demonstrates safe independent travel.

Kelly




On 3/23/18, M. Taylor <mk...@ucla.edu> wrote:

Apple proposes new emojis for people with disabilities
The iPhone maker offered up 13 new designs for review.
By Jessica Dolcourt, March 23, 2018 11:54 AM PDT

A wheelchair, a service dog and prosthetic limbs could join your emojis of
men and women jogging and playing sports.

Three of the 13 new emojis Apple has submitted to Unicode for evaluation.
Apple/CNET
Apple has proposed 13 new emojis to include more experiences for people
with
disabilities. The iPhone-maker submitted its formal request to Unicode, the
consortium that governs the standard that includes emojis.
The new symbols feature men and women walking with a cane and touching
their
ear, as well as standalone icons of a hearing aid and prosthetic arm.
Apple has been making a big push to ensure that its devices are accessible
for all users. The company's iPhones, Macs and other devices include plenty
of features that let people with vision, hearing and other impairments more
easily use those devices.
In Apple's own words:
"Apple is requesting the addition of emoji to better represent individuals
with disabilities. Currently, emoji provide a wide range of options, but
may
not represent the experiences of those with disabilities. Diversifying the
options available helps fill a significant gap and provides a more
inclusive
experience for all."

You can read the full PDF proposal here.

Original Article at:
https://www.cnet.com/news/apple-proposes-new-emoji-for-people-with-disabilit
ies/#ftag=CAD-09-10aai5b

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Re: Apple proposes new emojis for people with disabilities, CNET

[Jewel]

On the rare occasions that I went out on the street sans guide dog, my cane was 
3 feet long, and I 
found that, completely adequate.  A cane extending to the sternum, and even 
worse, the chin!  my 
blood curdles at the very thought!  If there is an obstacle to avoid, I would 
rather know about it 
when I am close, not still halfway down the street!
It will be understood that I grew up in the era before the long cane, so my 
mobility education was 
with the 3 footer!

 Jewel

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Subject: Re: Apple proposes new emojis for people with disabilities, CNET

I became suspicious when I noticed that the only blindness
organization consulted by Apple in press reports was the American
Council of the Blind. A sighted friend examined the emojis and found
the canes appear to only extend to the elbows of the blind people, who
appear to be age 12. This cane length is below the sternum, which is
the minimum cane length advocated by the Association for Education and
Rehabilitation of the Blind and Visually Impaired. ACB regularly
affiliates with AER.  The National Federation of the Blind recommends
that white canes extend past the chin.  It is sad Apple has brazenly
picked a political side in the white canes and travel debate rather
than develop an image representative of independent blind travel. The
blind people in the emoji’s are holding really short white canes with
red tips and a black golf grip with the nylon cord around their
wrists, which can often be a safety hazard. If blind people have their
canes caught in the doors of rapid transit or light rail trains, they
could be dragged to their deaths when the train rapidly accelerates
rather than having the cane just knocked out of their hand if a strap
is not wrapped around their wrist. It sets a poor example of cane use
to the public and blind people everywhere. I will ask Apple to
withdraw its submission and create new emoji that actually
demonstrates safe independent travel.

Kelly




On 3/23/18, M. Taylor <mk...@ucla.edu> wrote:
> Apple proposes new emojis for people with disabilities
> The iPhone maker offered up 13 new designs for review.
> By Jessica Dolcourt, March 23, 2018 11:54 AM PDT
>
> A wheelchair, a service dog and prosthetic limbs could join your emojis of
> men and women jogging and playing sports.
>
> Three of the 13 new emojis Apple has submitted to Unicode for evaluation.
> Apple/CNET
> Apple has proposed 13 new emojis to include more experiences for people
> with
> disabilities. The iPhone-maker submitted its formal request to Unicode, the
> consortium that governs the standard that includes emojis.
> The new symbols feature men and women walking with a cane and touching
> their
> ear, as well as standalone icons of a hearing aid and prosthetic arm.
> Apple has been making a big push to ensure that its devices are accessible
> for all users. The company's iPhones, Macs and other devices include plenty
> of features that let people with vision, hearing and other impairments more
> easily use those devices.
> In Apple's own words:
> "Apple is requesting the addition of emoji to better represent individuals
> with disabilities. Currently, emoji provide a wide range of options, but
> may
> not represent the experiences of those with disabilities. Diversifying the
> options available helps fill a significant gap and provides a more
> inclusive
> experience for all."
>
> You can read the full PDF proposal here.
>
> Original Article at:
> https://www.cnet.com/news/apple-proposes-new-emoji-for-people-with-disabilit
> ies/#ftag=CAD-09-10aai5b
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Re: Apple proposes new emojis for people with disabilities, CNET

[Christopher Chaltain]

I don't think the NFB holds Apple in disdain or is motivated by whether 
Apple donates to the NFB or not. The NFB has passed plenty of 
resolutions praising Apple, and on non-iPhone mailing lists that I';m 
on, the NFB is considered quite pro-Apple. Apple is also not perfect, so 
there are areas where Apple can be legitimately criticized. My point is 
that Apple fan boys and Android fan boys are going to see the NFB 
through their own opinions.



I'm not sure how I feel about these emojis. On one hand, I applaud 
having some blindness related emojis. On the other hand, I'm not a fan 
of the short canes. I also don't think people will be making cane buying 
decisions based on an emoji.



On 03/24/2018 10:54 PM, TaraPrakash wrote:

As an NFB member myself, I have found NFB’s disdain towards Apple unfortunate 
and opportunistic. They try to pass resolutions against Apple in their national 
conventions and sometimes do succeed despite opposition from the floor. They 
here is for the board who is not happy that apple does not pay for the 
convention. If I was working for apple I wouldn’t be consulting NFB on this 
when other organizations are available to consult. And a blind person or their 
parents or mobility instructors will purchase a cane based on an emogi is a 
patently ridiculous suggestion. Soembody’s organizational arrogance would not 
welcome what Apple did, beats me.  But NFB consists of breathing thinking human 
beings. They will not fall for this. And if someone is thinking of passing a 
resolution in July in the convention,  it will be voted down on the floor even 
if it passes in the committee.

  


Sent from my iPhone


On Mar 24, 2018, at 9:54 PM, Kelly Pierce  wrote:

I became suspicious when I noticed that the only blindness
organization consulted by Apple in press reports was the American
Council of the Blind. A sighted friend examined the emojis and found
the canes appear to only extend to the elbows of the blind people, who
appear to be age 12. This cane length is below the sternum, which is
the minimum cane length advocated by the Association for Education and
Rehabilitation of the Blind and Visually Impaired. ACB regularly
affiliates with AER.  The National Federation of the Blind recommends
that white canes extend past the chin.  It is sad Apple has brazenly
picked a political side in the white canes and travel debate rather
than develop an image representative of independent blind travel. The
blind people in the emoji’s are holding really short white canes with
red tips and a black golf grip with the nylon cord around their
wrists, which can often be a safety hazard. If blind people have their
canes caught in the doors of rapid transit or light rail trains, they
could be dragged to their deaths when the train rapidly accelerates
rather than having the cane just knocked out of their hand if a strap
is not wrapped around their wrist. It sets a poor example of cane use
to the public and blind people everywhere. I will ask Apple to
withdraw its submission and create new emoji that actually
demonstrates safe independent travel.

Kelly





On 3/23/18, M. Taylor  wrote:
Apple proposes new emojis for people with disabilities
The iPhone maker offered up 13 new designs for review.
By Jessica Dolcourt, March 23, 2018 11:54 AM PDT

A wheelchair, a service dog and prosthetic limbs could join your emojis of
men and women jogging and playing sports.

Three of the 13 new emojis Apple has submitted to Unicode for evaluation.
Apple/CNET
Apple has proposed 13 new emojis to include more experiences for people
with
disabilities. The iPhone-maker submitted its formal request to Unicode, the
consortium that governs the standard that includes emojis.
The new symbols feature men and women walking with a cane and touching
their
ear, as well as standalone icons of a hearing aid and prosthetic arm.
Apple has been making a big push to ensure that its devices are accessible
for all users. The company's iPhones, Macs and other devices include plenty
of features that let people with vision, hearing and other impairments more
easily use those devices.
In Apple's own words:
"Apple is requesting the addition of emoji to better represent individuals
with disabilities. Currently, emoji provide a wide range of options, but
may
not represent the experiences of those with disabilities. Diversifying the
options available helps fill a significant gap and provides a more
inclusive
experience for all."

You can read the full PDF proposal here.

Original Article at:
https://www.cnet.com/news/apple-proposes-new-emoji-for-people-with-disabilit
ies/#ftag=CAD-09-10aai5b

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Re: Apple proposes new emojis for people with disabilities, CNET

[TaraPrakash]

As an NFB member myself, I have found NFB’s disdain towards Apple unfortunate 
and opportunistic. They try to pass resolutions against Apple in their national 
conventions and sometimes do succeed despite opposition from the floor. They 
here is for the board who is not happy that apple does not pay for the 
convention. If I was working for apple I wouldn’t be consulting NFB on this 
when other organizations are available to consult. And a blind person or their 
parents or mobility instructors will purchase a cane based on an emogi is a 
patently ridiculous suggestion. Soembody’s organizational arrogance would not 
welcome what Apple did, beats me.  But NFB consists of breathing thinking human 
beings. They will not fall for this. And if someone is thinking of passing a 
resolution in July in the convention,  it will be voted down on the floor even 
if it passes in the committee. 

 

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> On Mar 24, 2018, at 9:54 PM, Kelly Pierce  wrote:
> 
> I became suspicious when I noticed that the only blindness
> organization consulted by Apple in press reports was the American
> Council of the Blind. A sighted friend examined the emojis and found
> the canes appear to only extend to the elbows of the blind people, who
> appear to be age 12. This cane length is below the sternum, which is
> the minimum cane length advocated by the Association for Education and
> Rehabilitation of the Blind and Visually Impaired. ACB regularly
> affiliates with AER.  The National Federation of the Blind recommends
> that white canes extend past the chin.  It is sad Apple has brazenly
> picked a political side in the white canes and travel debate rather
> than develop an image representative of independent blind travel. The
> blind people in the emoji’s are holding really short white canes with
> red tips and a black golf grip with the nylon cord around their
> wrists, which can often be a safety hazard. If blind people have their
> canes caught in the doors of rapid transit or light rail trains, they
> could be dragged to their deaths when the train rapidly accelerates
> rather than having the cane just knocked out of their hand if a strap
> is not wrapped around their wrist. It sets a poor example of cane use
> to the public and blind people everywhere. I will ask Apple to
> withdraw its submission and create new emoji that actually
> demonstrates safe independent travel.
> 
> Kelly
> 
> 
> 
> 
>> On 3/23/18, M. Taylor  wrote:
>> Apple proposes new emojis for people with disabilities
>> The iPhone maker offered up 13 new designs for review.
>> By Jessica Dolcourt, March 23, 2018 11:54 AM PDT
>> 
>> A wheelchair, a service dog and prosthetic limbs could join your emojis of
>> men and women jogging and playing sports.
>> 
>> Three of the 13 new emojis Apple has submitted to Unicode for evaluation.
>> Apple/CNET
>> Apple has proposed 13 new emojis to include more experiences for people
>> with
>> disabilities. The iPhone-maker submitted its formal request to Unicode, the
>> consortium that governs the standard that includes emojis.
>> The new symbols feature men and women walking with a cane and touching
>> their
>> ear, as well as standalone icons of a hearing aid and prosthetic arm.
>> Apple has been making a big push to ensure that its devices are accessible
>> for all users. The company's iPhones, Macs and other devices include plenty
>> of features that let people with vision, hearing and other impairments more
>> easily use those devices.
>> In Apple's own words:
>> "Apple is requesting the addition of emoji to better represent individuals
>> with disabilities. Currently, emoji provide a wide range of options, but
>> may
>> not represent the experiences of those with disabilities. Diversifying the
>> options available helps fill a significant gap and provides a more
>> inclusive
>> experience for all."
>> 
>> You can read the full PDF proposal here.
>> 
>> Original Article at:
>> https://www.cnet.com/news/apple-proposes-new-emoji-for-people-with-disabilit
>> ies/#ftag=CAD-09-10aai5b
>> 
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Re: Apple proposes new emojis for people with disabilities, CNET

[Kelly Pierce]

I became suspicious when I noticed that the only blindness
organization consulted by Apple in press reports was the American
Council of the Blind. A sighted friend examined the emojis and found
the canes appear to only extend to the elbows of the blind people, who
appear to be age 12. This cane length is below the sternum, which is
the minimum cane length advocated by the Association for Education and
Rehabilitation of the Blind and Visually Impaired. ACB regularly
affiliates with AER.  The National Federation of the Blind recommends
that white canes extend past the chin.  It is sad Apple has brazenly
picked a political side in the white canes and travel debate rather
than develop an image representative of independent blind travel. The
blind people in the emoji’s are holding really short white canes with
red tips and a black golf grip with the nylon cord around their
wrists, which can often be a safety hazard. If blind people have their
canes caught in the doors of rapid transit or light rail trains, they
could be dragged to their deaths when the train rapidly accelerates
rather than having the cane just knocked out of their hand if a strap
is not wrapped around their wrist. It sets a poor example of cane use
to the public and blind people everywhere. I will ask Apple to
withdraw its submission and create new emoji that actually
demonstrates safe independent travel.

Kelly




On 3/23/18, M. Taylor  wrote:
> Apple proposes new emojis for people with disabilities
> The iPhone maker offered up 13 new designs for review.
> By Jessica Dolcourt, March 23, 2018 11:54 AM PDT
>
> A wheelchair, a service dog and prosthetic limbs could join your emojis of
> men and women jogging and playing sports.
>
> Three of the 13 new emojis Apple has submitted to Unicode for evaluation.
> Apple/CNET
> Apple has proposed 13 new emojis to include more experiences for people
> with
> disabilities. The iPhone-maker submitted its formal request to Unicode, the
> consortium that governs the standard that includes emojis.
> The new symbols feature men and women walking with a cane and touching
> their
> ear, as well as standalone icons of a hearing aid and prosthetic arm.
> Apple has been making a big push to ensure that its devices are accessible
> for all users. The company's iPhones, Macs and other devices include plenty
> of features that let people with vision, hearing and other impairments more
> easily use those devices.
> In Apple's own words:
> "Apple is requesting the addition of emoji to better represent individuals
> with disabilities. Currently, emoji provide a wide range of options, but
> may
> not represent the experiences of those with disabilities. Diversifying the
> options available helps fill a significant gap and provides a more
> inclusive
> experience for all."
>
> You can read the full PDF proposal here.
>
> Original Article at:
> https://www.cnet.com/news/apple-proposes-new-emoji-for-people-with-disabilit
> ies/#ftag=CAD-09-10aai5b
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