Re: Weird itunes mystery.

[Robert Doc Wright]

When I create a new playlist in iTunes I have a hard time getting back to my 
list of songs. What am I suppose to do to get back?
- Original Message - 
From: "Cheryl LeFurgey" 
To: 
Sent: Friday, May 20, 2016 8:11 AM
Subject: Weird itunes mystery.


Hi, everyone.
First, before I get into what's going on, let me say that i'm using an
ipod touch fifth gen, and that my computer is running windows xp and
Itunes 11.4.
Yes, I know, my OS is ancient, please don't tell me that.
Now, on to the mystery.
About a month ago, I downloaded an AudioBoom update, didn't like it,
and tried to go back to the previous version.
Unfortunately, I didn't have the right version on my computer, so I
restored my ipod from an icloud backup in order to get my previous app
back.
The restore worked, eventually. The first few times it kept saying it
couldn't copy some of my apps because they weren't available, but I
was eventually able to complete a restore.
I import all of my music from cds, using itunes to sync it to my ipod.
Because of the restore, my music wasn't coppied over.
So I tried to sync my ipod to get my music back, only to be told that
my ipod couldn't be used because it required a newer version of
itunes.
Now, for the mystery. My iphone 5, which is running the exact same
version of IOS as my ipod (when this started it was 9.3.1, and still
happens with 9.3.2), will sync just fine.
i've tried everything I can think of to get this working, with no
success. I even downloaded the IPSW file for IOS9.3.1, put my ipod
into recovery mode and restored with that, no luck.
Now, there is a newer version of itunes that'll work on xp, but I
don't like itunes 12, and because my phone will still sync fine, see
no real reason to update.
Has anyone had this kind of thing happen to them? If so, what can I do
to get my music back onto my ipod? I've even tried various wifi file
sharing apps, but they all just keep the files inside themselves,
since apple won't allow us to copy music to the ipod's internal
library without itunes.
Thanks in advance for any suggestions, this is super frustrating.

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Re: Weird itunes mystery.

[Robert Doc Wright]

When I create a new playlist in iTunes I have a hard time getting back to my 
list of songs. What am I suppose to do to get back?
- Original Message - 
From: "Cheryl LeFurgey" 
To: 
Sent: Friday, May 20, 2016 8:11 AM
Subject: Weird itunes mystery.


Hi, everyone.
First, before I get into what's going on, let me say that i'm using an
ipod touch fifth gen, and that my computer is running windows xp and
Itunes 11.4.
Yes, I know, my OS is ancient, please don't tell me that.
Now, on to the mystery.
About a month ago, I downloaded an AudioBoom update, didn't like it,
and tried to go back to the previous version.
Unfortunately, I didn't have the right version on my computer, so I
restored my ipod from an icloud backup in order to get my previous app
back.
The restore worked, eventually. The first few times it kept saying it
couldn't copy some of my apps because they weren't available, but I
was eventually able to complete a restore.
I import all of my music from cds, using itunes to sync it to my ipod.
Because of the restore, my music wasn't coppied over.
So I tried to sync my ipod to get my music back, only to be told that
my ipod couldn't be used because it required a newer version of
itunes.
Now, for the mystery. My iphone 5, which is running the exact same
version of IOS as my ipod (when this started it was 9.3.1, and still
happens with 9.3.2), will sync just fine.
i've tried everything I can think of to get this working, with no
success. I even downloaded the IPSW file for IOS9.3.1, put my ipod
into recovery mode and restored with that, no luck.
Now, there is a newer version of itunes that'll work on xp, but I
don't like itunes 12, and because my phone will still sync fine, see
no real reason to update.
Has anyone had this kind of thing happen to them? If so, what can I do
to get my music back onto my ipod? I've even tried various wifi file
sharing apps, but they all just keep the files inside themselves,
since apple won't allow us to copy music to the ipod's internal
library without itunes.
Thanks in advance for any suggestions, this is super frustrating.

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Re: Weird itunes mystery.

[Cheryl LeFurgey]

Hi, Mark.

You're right, you can seriously screw up your computer if you go
messing around in the registry and don't know what you're doing. So
no, it's not something I feel comfortable trying.
Litterally all I want to do is copy my existing music library to my
ipod, I hardly ever even make changes to said music library. If there
was a way to copy the exact music from my iphone to my ipod I'd do it,
like yesterday.

On 5/21/16, M. Taylor <mk...@ucla.edu> wrote:
> Hello Cheryl,
>
> The solution I came up with is far beyond the scope of this list.
>
> All I can say is:
>
> 1.
> Many people do not realize the power of the Windows Registry.  More often
> than not, the reason why an application will or won't do something is
> because of various switches/arguments either being enabled or disabled in
> the Registry.
>
> 2.
> I strongly recommend against anyone manually configuring the Windows
> Registry as doing so, especially in XP, usually results in either disaster
> or unexpected consequences.
>
> Finally, even after almost 15 years of dealing with the Registry, I only
> edit it as a last resort before wiping my system clean.  The Windows
> Registry is not for the novice or, for that matter, even for the
> intermediate user, and that's putting it nicely (smile).
>
> So, again I urge you to just leave things as they are and, as Christopher
> suggested, accepts that sooner or later, you will have to update to a later
> version of iTunes/Windows in order to synchronize up-to-date iOS devices.
>
> Mark
>
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
> Of Cheryl LeFurgey
> Sent: Saturday, May 21, 2016 1:33 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Weird itunes mystery.
>
> I realize my system is outdated, but for what I'm doing it works fine.
> Mark, your idea about the registry is news to me, and something I haven't
> considered.
> If you had a similar situation to mine, how did you fix it? I'm interested,
> maybe it'd work for me.
>
> On 5/21/16, Christopher Chaltain <chalt...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Well, I still don't consider this a mystery. I Googled a bit, and I
>> couldn't find a support statement from Apple, but I'm sure iTunes
>> 11.04 running on Windows XP is not a supported configuration by Apple.
>> I'd consider this an unpredictable result when running a configuration
>> that isn't tested or supported by Apple. If some things, like syncing
>> to some devices, is still working, then consider yourself lucky. I
>> wouldn't assume that it'll continue to work indefinitely though, and
>> you can't assume that new features and products will still be
>> supported by older versions of software that are no longer being
>> supported. Note that I have no problem with you running Windows XP or
>> iTunes 11.04; I'm just saying, you're going to have to accept some
>> limitations with such a set up.
>>
>> On 21/05/16 14:28, Cheryl LeFurgey wrote:
>>> I'm running ios9.3.2 on both my iphone 5 and my ipod touch 5g.
>>> I litterally just connected my phone to itunes 11.4 and it synced,
>>> with absolutely no problems.
>>> However, when I connect my ipod, running the same version of Ios,
>>> itunes pops up the this ipod cannot be used because it requires
>>> itunes
>>> 12.2.2 or later error message.
>>> So yes, I'd say there's a mystery here somewhere.
>>> Also no, I don't have any IPSW files downloaded anywhere, at least
>>> not that I know of.
>>>
>>> On 5/21/16, Christopher Chaltain <chalt...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> I don't think there's a mystery here. I'm prety sure you'll need a
>>>> newer version of iTunes if you're going to install IOS 9.3.2. What
>>>> version of IOS do you have on your phone now? An older version of
>>>> iTunes syncing with an older version of IOS is to be expected. Also
>>>> syncing isn't the same as installing a new version of IOS with al of
>>>> it's new features that may require a newer version of iTunes.
>>>>
>>>> I assume if you start the install then the install will halt since
>>>> iTunes won't actually be able to fetch up a copy of 9.1 and iTunes
>>>> 11.04 won't support 9.3.2.
>>>>
>>>> On 21/05/16 13:50, Cheryl LeFurgey wrote:
>>>>> I'm running itunes 11.4.
>>>>> Yes, I know, there's a newer version for xp, but I like 11, plus my
>>>>> IPhone will still sync fine, hense the mystery.
>>>>>
>>>>> On 5/21/16, Christopher Chaltain <chalt...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>&

RE: Weird itunes mystery.

[M. Taylor]

Hello Cheryl,

The solution I came up with is far beyond the scope of this list.  

All I can say is:

1.
Many people do not realize the power of the Windows Registry.  More often than 
not, the reason why an application will or won't do something is because of 
various switches/arguments either being enabled or disabled in the Registry.

2.
I strongly recommend against anyone manually configuring the Windows Registry 
as doing so, especially in XP, usually results in either disaster or unexpected 
consequences.  

Finally, even after almost 15 years of dealing with the Registry, I only edit 
it as a last resort before wiping my system clean.  The Windows Registry is not 
for the novice or, for that matter, even for the intermediate user, and that's 
putting it nicely (smile). 

So, again I urge you to just leave things as they are and, as Christopher 
suggested, accepts that sooner or later, you will have to update to a later 
version of iTunes/Windows in order to synchronize up-to-date iOS devices. 

Mark

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Cheryl LeFurgey
Sent: Saturday, May 21, 2016 1:33 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Weird itunes mystery.

I realize my system is outdated, but for what I'm doing it works fine.
Mark, your idea about the registry is news to me, and something I haven't 
considered.
If you had a similar situation to mine, how did you fix it? I'm interested, 
maybe it'd work for me.

On 5/21/16, Christopher Chaltain <chalt...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Well, I still don't consider this a mystery. I Googled a bit, and I 
> couldn't find a support statement from Apple, but I'm sure iTunes 
> 11.04 running on Windows XP is not a supported configuration by Apple.  
> I'd consider this an unpredictable result when running a configuration 
> that isn't tested or supported by Apple. If some things, like syncing 
> to some devices, is still working, then consider yourself lucky. I 
> wouldn't assume that it'll continue to work indefinitely though, and 
> you can't assume that new features and products will still be 
> supported by older versions of software that are no longer being 
> supported. Note that I have no problem with you running Windows XP or 
> iTunes 11.04; I'm just saying, you're going to have to accept some 
> limitations with such a set up.
>
> On 21/05/16 14:28, Cheryl LeFurgey wrote:
>> I'm running ios9.3.2 on both my iphone 5 and my ipod touch 5g.
>> I litterally just connected my phone to itunes 11.4 and it synced, 
>> with absolutely no problems.
>> However, when I connect my ipod, running the same version of Ios, 
>> itunes pops up the this ipod cannot be used because it requires 
>> itunes
>> 12.2.2 or later error message.
>> So yes, I'd say there's a mystery here somewhere.
>> Also no, I don't have any IPSW files downloaded anywhere, at least 
>> not that I know of.
>>
>> On 5/21/16, Christopher Chaltain <chalt...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> I don't think there's a mystery here. I'm prety sure you'll need a 
>>> newer version of iTunes if you're going to install IOS 9.3.2. What 
>>> version of IOS do you have on your phone now? An older version of 
>>> iTunes syncing with an older version of IOS is to be expected. Also 
>>> syncing isn't the same as installing a new version of IOS with al of 
>>> it's new features that may require a newer version of iTunes.
>>>
>>> I assume if you start the install then the install will halt since 
>>> iTunes won't actually be able to fetch up a copy of 9.1 and iTunes 
>>> 11.04 won't support 9.3.2.
>>>
>>> On 21/05/16 13:50, Cheryl LeFurgey wrote:
>>>> I'm running itunes 11.4.
>>>> Yes, I know, there's a newer version for xp, but I like 11, plus my 
>>>> IPhone will still sync fine, hense the mystery.
>>>>
>>>> On 5/21/16, Christopher Chaltain <chalt...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> What version of iTunes are you running? that's the only reason I 
>>>>> can imagine you wouldn't be told you'd be getting 9.3.2 after the restore.
>>>>> I
>>>>> doubt Apple would actually start installing a version of IOS that 
>>>>> isn't even available any more and end up bricking your phone. If 
>>>>> it were me, I'd take the chance, but I definitely don't blame 
>>>>> anyone for being more cautious messing with a device that might be 
>>>>> very critical in your daily life.
>>>>>
>>>>> On 21/05/16 13:43, Cheryl LeFurgey wrote:
>>>>>> I dunno, the only time I put the ipod into DFU mode then clicked 
>>>>>> restore

Re: Weird itunes mystery.

[Cheryl LeFurgey]

fer a firmware Apple isn't signing?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 5/21/16, Cheryl LeFurgey <clefur...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> Alan,
>>>>>>>>> Yeah, it is super weird that one device works while the other
>>>>>>>>> doesn't.
>>>>>>>>> Also, yay, someone else who thinks the way I do about xp. It suits
>>>>>>>>> my
>>>>>>>>> needs, I'll upgrade when my desktop dies.
>>>>>>>>> All I use itunes for is putting music on my devices, so because
>>>>>>>>> one
>>>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>>>> my devices works I can see no real reason to upgrade. If neither
>>>>>>>>> device synced that'd be different.
>>>>>>>>> Thanks for the good luck, I hope I can get this working, ugh.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On 5/21/16, Alan Lemly <wale...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> Cheryl,
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I agree with you one hundred percent and I still use my Windows
>>>>>>>>>> XP
>>>>>>>>>> box
>>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>> run older programs that I had no interest in acquiring versions
>>>>>>>>>> compatible
>>>>>>>>>> with Windows 7. I've always believed that you should run the
>>>>>>>>>> operating
>>>>>>>>>> system that you know and that runs the programs you need to get
>>>>>>>>>> your
>>>>>>>>>> work
>>>>>>>>>> done. Windows XP still does an awful lot of that for me.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> That's great that your iPhone running iOS 9.x is still working
>>>>>>>>>> with
>>>>>>>>>> iTunes
>>>>>>>>>> 11.4 but it is a bit curious based on what I've also read. Your
>>>>>>>>>> iPod
>>>>>>>>>> is
>>>>>>>>>> acting more as I would expect but the inconsistency of the two
>>>>>>>>>> devices
>>>>>>>>>> is
>>>>>>>>>> baffling.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Good luck managing the inconsistency and I'll keep my fingers
>>>>>>>>>> crossed
>>>>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>>>>> your iPhone and iTunes keep on working.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Alan
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> -Original Message-
>>>>>>>>>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com]
>>>>>>>>>> On
>>>>>>>>>> Behalf
>>>>>>>>>> Of Cheryl LeFurgey
>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Friday, May 20, 2016 6:39 PM
>>>>>>>>>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: Weird itunes mystery.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Alan,
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Everything I've googled does support the idea that ITunes 12.x is
>>>>>>>>>> required,
>>>>>>>>>> that's why the fact that my phone will sync is such a mystery.
>>>>>>>>>> Not
>>>>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>>>>> i'm
>>>>>>>>>> complaining, of course!
>>>>>>>>>> I can connect my phone, it pops up in my sources list, and I can
>>>>>>>>>> add
>>>>>>>>>> music
>>>>>>>>>> to it, which is all i use itunes for.
>>>>>>>>>> Yeah, if I do call, the people at apple will probably hear the
>>>>>>>>>> words
>>>>>>>>>> windows
>>>>>>>>>> xp and start laughing. Well no, but everyone else says xp is
>>>>>>>>>> outdated,
>

Re: Weird itunes mystery.

[Christopher Chaltain]

Well, I still don't consider this a mystery. I Googled a bit, and I 
couldn't find a support statement from Apple, but I'm sure iTunes 11.04 
running on Windows XP is not a supported configuration by Apple.  I'd 
consider this an unpredictable result when running a configuration that 
isn't tested or supported by Apple. If some things, like syncing to some 
devices, is still working, then consider yourself lucky. I wouldn't 
assume that it'll continue to work indefinitely though, and you can't 
assume that new features and products will still be supported by older 
versions of software that are no longer being supported. Note that I 
have no problem with you running Windows XP or iTunes 11.04; I'm just 
saying, you're going to have to accept some limitations with such a set up.


On 21/05/16 14:28, Cheryl LeFurgey wrote:

I'm running ios9.3.2 on both my iphone 5 and my ipod touch 5g.
I litterally just connected my phone to itunes 11.4 and it synced,
with absolutely no problems.
However, when I connect my ipod, running the same version of Ios,
itunes pops up the this ipod cannot be used because it requires itunes
12.2.2 or later error message.
So yes, I'd say there's a mystery here somewhere.
Also no, I don't have any IPSW files downloaded anywhere, at least not
that I know of.

On 5/21/16, Christopher Chaltain <chalt...@gmail.com> wrote:

I don't think there's a mystery here. I'm prety sure you'll need a newer
version of iTunes if you're going to install IOS 9.3.2. What version of
IOS do you have on your phone now? An older version of iTunes syncing
with an older version of IOS is to be expected. Also syncing isn't the
same as installing a new version of IOS with al of it's new features
that may require a newer version of iTunes.

I assume if you start the install then the install will halt since
iTunes won't actually be able to fetch up a copy of 9.1 and iTunes 11.04
won't support 9.3.2.

On 21/05/16 13:50, Cheryl LeFurgey wrote:

I'm running itunes 11.4.
Yes, I know, there's a newer version for xp, but I like 11, plus my
IPhone will still sync fine, hense the mystery.

On 5/21/16, Christopher Chaltain <chalt...@gmail.com> wrote:

What version of iTunes are you running? that's the only reason I can
imagine you wouldn't be told you'd be getting 9.3.2 after the restore. I
doubt Apple would actually start installing a version of IOS that isn't
even available any more and end up bricking your phone. If it were me,
I'd take the chance, but I definitely don't blame anyone for being more
cautious messing with a device that might be very critical in your daily
life.

On 21/05/16 13:43, Cheryl LeFurgey wrote:

I dunno, the only time I put the ipod into DFU mode then clicked
restore it offered me 9.1. I didn't go through with it because I know
Apple isn't signing that firmware, so I don't want my ipod to become
completely unusable.

On 5/21/16, christopher hallsworth <challswor...@icloud.com> wrote:

It should restore to the current iOS version, 9.3.2.

On 21 May 2016, at 14:04, Cheryl LeFurgey <clefur...@gmail.com>
wrote:

Another interesting thing i forgot to mention yesterday.
I put my ipod into DFU mode just to see what it looked like, hit
restore, and it offered to restore to Ios9.1, I believe it was.
I didn't do it, of course, because as far as i know apple isn't
signing that version anymore, so I think restoring to it would brick
my ipod worse than it already is.
Why would a DFU mode restore offer a firmware Apple isn't signing?

On 5/21/16, Cheryl LeFurgey <clefur...@gmail.com> wrote:

Alan,
Yeah, it is super weird that one device works while the other
doesn't.
Also, yay, someone else who thinks the way I do about xp. It suits
my
needs, I'll upgrade when my desktop dies.
All I use itunes for is putting music on my devices, so because one
of
my devices works I can see no real reason to upgrade. If neither
device synced that'd be different.
Thanks for the good luck, I hope I can get this working, ugh.

On 5/21/16, Alan Lemly <wale...@gmail.com> wrote:

Cheryl,

I agree with you one hundred percent and I still use my Windows XP
box
to
run older programs that I had no interest in acquiring versions
compatible
with Windows 7. I've always believed that you should run the
operating
system that you know and that runs the programs you need to get
your
work
done. Windows XP still does an awful lot of that for me.

That's great that your iPhone running iOS 9.x is still working with
iTunes
11.4 but it is a bit curious based on what I've also read. Your
iPod
is
acting more as I would expect but the inconsistency of the two
devices
is
baffling.

Good luck managing the inconsistency and I'll keep my fingers
crossed
that
your iPhone and iTunes keep on working.

Alan

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On
Behalf
Of Cheryl LeFurgey
Sent: Friday, May 20, 2016 6:39 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Weird itunes mystery.

RE: Weird itunes mystery.

[M. Taylor]

Hello Cheryl,

I strongly suspect that the asymmetry you are experiencing has something to do 
with the Windows Registry.  Strangely enough, I recently experienced a similar 
phenomenon on my Windows 7 machine.  It drove me crazy for three days.  
Finally, because of some fuzzy-logic, on my part, some out-of-the-box thinking 
of some of my friends, and a great deal of Google searches, oh yes, and a 
prayer, I was able to get everything working without having to wipe my system.  

My advice is to just accept what is and leave it alone if you want to continue 
to use iTunes 11.4.

 Mark

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Cheryl LeFurgey
Sent: Saturday, May 21, 2016 12:28 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Weird itunes mystery.

I'm running ios9.3.2 on both my iphone 5 and my ipod touch 5g.
I litterally just connected my phone to itunes 11.4 and it synced, with 
absolutely no problems.
However, when I connect my ipod, running the same version of Ios, itunes pops 
up the this ipod cannot be used because it requires itunes
12.2.2 or later error message.
So yes, I'd say there's a mystery here somewhere.
Also no, I don't have any IPSW files downloaded anywhere, at least not that I 
know of.

On 5/21/16, Christopher Chaltain <chalt...@gmail.com> wrote:
> I don't think there's a mystery here. I'm prety sure you'll need a 
> newer version of iTunes if you're going to install IOS 9.3.2. What 
> version of IOS do you have on your phone now? An older version of 
> iTunes syncing with an older version of IOS is to be expected. Also 
> syncing isn't the same as installing a new version of IOS with al of 
> it's new features that may require a newer version of iTunes.
>
> I assume if you start the install then the install will halt since 
> iTunes won't actually be able to fetch up a copy of 9.1 and iTunes 
> 11.04 won't support 9.3.2.
>
> On 21/05/16 13:50, Cheryl LeFurgey wrote:
>> I'm running itunes 11.4.
>> Yes, I know, there's a newer version for xp, but I like 11, plus my 
>> IPhone will still sync fine, hense the mystery.
>>
>> On 5/21/16, Christopher Chaltain <chalt...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> What version of iTunes are you running? that's the only reason I can 
>>> imagine you wouldn't be told you'd be getting 9.3.2 after the 
>>> restore. I doubt Apple would actually start installing a version of 
>>> IOS that isn't even available any more and end up bricking your 
>>> phone. If it were me, I'd take the chance, but I definitely don't 
>>> blame anyone for being more cautious messing with a device that 
>>> might be very critical in your daily life.
>>>
>>> On 21/05/16 13:43, Cheryl LeFurgey wrote:
>>>> I dunno, the only time I put the ipod into DFU mode then clicked 
>>>> restore it offered me 9.1. I didn't go through with it because I 
>>>> know Apple isn't signing that firmware, so I don't want my ipod to 
>>>> become completely unusable.
>>>>
>>>> On 5/21/16, christopher hallsworth <challswor...@icloud.com> wrote:
>>>>> It should restore to the current iOS version, 9.3.2.
>>>>>> On 21 May 2016, at 14:04, Cheryl LeFurgey <clefur...@gmail.com>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Another interesting thing i forgot to mention yesterday.
>>>>>> I put my ipod into DFU mode just to see what it looked like, hit 
>>>>>> restore, and it offered to restore to Ios9.1, I believe it was.
>>>>>> I didn't do it, of course, because as far as i know apple isn't 
>>>>>> signing that version anymore, so I think restoring to it would 
>>>>>> brick my ipod worse than it already is.
>>>>>> Why would a DFU mode restore offer a firmware Apple isn't signing?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 5/21/16, Cheryl LeFurgey <clefur...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> Alan,
>>>>>>> Yeah, it is super weird that one device works while the other 
>>>>>>> doesn't.
>>>>>>> Also, yay, someone else who thinks the way I do about xp. It 
>>>>>>> suits my needs, I'll upgrade when my desktop dies.
>>>>>>> All I use itunes for is putting music on my devices, so because 
>>>>>>> one of my devices works I can see no real reason to upgrade. If 
>>>>>>> neither device synced that'd be different.
>>>>>>> Thanks for the good luck, I hope I can get this working, ugh.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 5/21/16, Alan Lem

Re: Weird itunes mystery.

[Cheryl LeFurgey]

I'm running ios9.3.2 on both my iphone 5 and my ipod touch 5g.
I litterally just connected my phone to itunes 11.4 and it synced,
with absolutely no problems.
However, when I connect my ipod, running the same version of Ios,
itunes pops up the this ipod cannot be used because it requires itunes
12.2.2 or later error message.
So yes, I'd say there's a mystery here somewhere.
Also no, I don't have any IPSW files downloaded anywhere, at least not
that I know of.

On 5/21/16, Christopher Chaltain <chalt...@gmail.com> wrote:
> I don't think there's a mystery here. I'm prety sure you'll need a newer
> version of iTunes if you're going to install IOS 9.3.2. What version of
> IOS do you have on your phone now? An older version of iTunes syncing
> with an older version of IOS is to be expected. Also syncing isn't the
> same as installing a new version of IOS with al of it's new features
> that may require a newer version of iTunes.
>
> I assume if you start the install then the install will halt since
> iTunes won't actually be able to fetch up a copy of 9.1 and iTunes 11.04
> won't support 9.3.2.
>
> On 21/05/16 13:50, Cheryl LeFurgey wrote:
>> I'm running itunes 11.4.
>> Yes, I know, there's a newer version for xp, but I like 11, plus my
>> IPhone will still sync fine, hense the mystery.
>>
>> On 5/21/16, Christopher Chaltain <chalt...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> What version of iTunes are you running? that's the only reason I can
>>> imagine you wouldn't be told you'd be getting 9.3.2 after the restore. I
>>> doubt Apple would actually start installing a version of IOS that isn't
>>> even available any more and end up bricking your phone. If it were me,
>>> I'd take the chance, but I definitely don't blame anyone for being more
>>> cautious messing with a device that might be very critical in your daily
>>> life.
>>>
>>> On 21/05/16 13:43, Cheryl LeFurgey wrote:
>>>> I dunno, the only time I put the ipod into DFU mode then clicked
>>>> restore it offered me 9.1. I didn't go through with it because I know
>>>> Apple isn't signing that firmware, so I don't want my ipod to become
>>>> completely unusable.
>>>>
>>>> On 5/21/16, christopher hallsworth <challswor...@icloud.com> wrote:
>>>>> It should restore to the current iOS version, 9.3.2.
>>>>>> On 21 May 2016, at 14:04, Cheryl LeFurgey <clefur...@gmail.com>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Another interesting thing i forgot to mention yesterday.
>>>>>> I put my ipod into DFU mode just to see what it looked like, hit
>>>>>> restore, and it offered to restore to Ios9.1, I believe it was.
>>>>>> I didn't do it, of course, because as far as i know apple isn't
>>>>>> signing that version anymore, so I think restoring to it would brick
>>>>>> my ipod worse than it already is.
>>>>>> Why would a DFU mode restore offer a firmware Apple isn't signing?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 5/21/16, Cheryl LeFurgey <clefur...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> Alan,
>>>>>>> Yeah, it is super weird that one device works while the other
>>>>>>> doesn't.
>>>>>>> Also, yay, someone else who thinks the way I do about xp. It suits
>>>>>>> my
>>>>>>> needs, I'll upgrade when my desktop dies.
>>>>>>> All I use itunes for is putting music on my devices, so because one
>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>> my devices works I can see no real reason to upgrade. If neither
>>>>>>> device synced that'd be different.
>>>>>>> Thanks for the good luck, I hope I can get this working, ugh.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 5/21/16, Alan Lemly <wale...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>> Cheryl,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I agree with you one hundred percent and I still use my Windows XP
>>>>>>>> box
>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>> run older programs that I had no interest in acquiring versions
>>>>>>>> compatible
>>>>>>>> with Windows 7. I've always believed that you should run the
>>>>>>>> operating
>>>>>>>> system that you know and that runs the programs you need to get
>>>>>>>> your
>>>>>>>> work
>>>>>>>> done. Windows XP still does an a

Re: Weird itunes mystery.

[Christopher Chaltain]

I don't think there's a mystery here. I'm prety sure you'll need a newer 
version of iTunes if you're going to install IOS 9.3.2. What version of 
IOS do you have on your phone now? An older version of iTunes syncing 
with an older version of IOS is to be expected. Also syncing isn't the 
same as installing a new version of IOS with al of it's new features 
that may require a newer version of iTunes.


I assume if you start the install then the install will halt since 
iTunes won't actually be able to fetch up a copy of 9.1 and iTunes 11.04 
won't support 9.3.2.


On 21/05/16 13:50, Cheryl LeFurgey wrote:

I'm running itunes 11.4.
Yes, I know, there's a newer version for xp, but I like 11, plus my
IPhone will still sync fine, hense the mystery.

On 5/21/16, Christopher Chaltain <chalt...@gmail.com> wrote:

What version of iTunes are you running? that's the only reason I can
imagine you wouldn't be told you'd be getting 9.3.2 after the restore. I
doubt Apple would actually start installing a version of IOS that isn't
even available any more and end up bricking your phone. If it were me,
I'd take the chance, but I definitely don't blame anyone for being more
cautious messing with a device that might be very critical in your daily
life.

On 21/05/16 13:43, Cheryl LeFurgey wrote:

I dunno, the only time I put the ipod into DFU mode then clicked
restore it offered me 9.1. I didn't go through with it because I know
Apple isn't signing that firmware, so I don't want my ipod to become
completely unusable.

On 5/21/16, christopher hallsworth <challswor...@icloud.com> wrote:

It should restore to the current iOS version, 9.3.2.

On 21 May 2016, at 14:04, Cheryl LeFurgey <clefur...@gmail.com> wrote:

Another interesting thing i forgot to mention yesterday.
I put my ipod into DFU mode just to see what it looked like, hit
restore, and it offered to restore to Ios9.1, I believe it was.
I didn't do it, of course, because as far as i know apple isn't
signing that version anymore, so I think restoring to it would brick
my ipod worse than it already is.
Why would a DFU mode restore offer a firmware Apple isn't signing?

On 5/21/16, Cheryl LeFurgey <clefur...@gmail.com> wrote:

Alan,
Yeah, it is super weird that one device works while the other doesn't.
Also, yay, someone else who thinks the way I do about xp. It suits my
needs, I'll upgrade when my desktop dies.
All I use itunes for is putting music on my devices, so because one of
my devices works I can see no real reason to upgrade. If neither
device synced that'd be different.
Thanks for the good luck, I hope I can get this working, ugh.

On 5/21/16, Alan Lemly <wale...@gmail.com> wrote:

Cheryl,

I agree with you one hundred percent and I still use my Windows XP
box
to
run older programs that I had no interest in acquiring versions
compatible
with Windows 7. I've always believed that you should run the
operating
system that you know and that runs the programs you need to get your
work
done. Windows XP still does an awful lot of that for me.

That's great that your iPhone running iOS 9.x is still working with
iTunes
11.4 but it is a bit curious based on what I've also read. Your iPod
is
acting more as I would expect but the inconsistency of the two
devices
is
baffling.

Good luck managing the inconsistency and I'll keep my fingers crossed
that
your iPhone and iTunes keep on working.

Alan

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On
Behalf
Of Cheryl LeFurgey
Sent: Friday, May 20, 2016 6:39 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Weird itunes mystery.

Alan,

Everything I've googled does support the idea that ITunes 12.x is
required,
that's why the fact that my phone will sync is such a mystery. Not
that
i'm
complaining, of course!
I can connect my phone, it pops up in my sources list, and I can add
music
to it, which is all i use itunes for.
Yeah, if I do call, the people at apple will probably hear the words
windows
xp and start laughing. Well no, but everyone else says xp is
outdated,
not
secure, bla bla bla. It works just fine here, I have no issues, I'll
update
when I'm good and ready.
Hopefully I can get this resolved, it's kind of annoying to have an
ipod
and
not be able to play music on it. I mean sure I could copy my library
to
dropbox and use that app to play music, but that kind of defeats the
purpose, IMO.

On 5/20/16, Alan Lemly <wale...@gmail.com> wrote:

Cheryl,

I wish I had an answer for you but I was under the impression that
those running iOS 9.x had to run iTunes 12.x to get correct iTunes
behavior with their iDevices for things like syncing and backing up.
Since you were getting your iTunes 11.4 to sync okay before this
problem arose, I guess something about my information was incorrect.
I
too have a desktop system running Windows XP but I'm transitioning
to
another desktop system running Windows 7 which is the one on which I
run iTunes. I ran iTunes 11.4 on 

Re: Weird itunes mystery.

[christopher hallsworth]

Mystery solved then.
> On 21 May 2016, at 19:50, Cheryl LeFurgey <clefur...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> I'm running itunes 11.4.
> Yes, I know, there's a newer version for xp, but I like 11, plus my
> IPhone will still sync fine, hense the mystery.
> 
> On 5/21/16, Christopher Chaltain <chalt...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> What version of iTunes are you running? that's the only reason I can
>> imagine you wouldn't be told you'd be getting 9.3.2 after the restore. I
>> doubt Apple would actually start installing a version of IOS that isn't
>> even available any more and end up bricking your phone. If it were me,
>> I'd take the chance, but I definitely don't blame anyone for being more
>> cautious messing with a device that might be very critical in your daily
>> life.
>> 
>> On 21/05/16 13:43, Cheryl LeFurgey wrote:
>>> I dunno, the only time I put the ipod into DFU mode then clicked
>>> restore it offered me 9.1. I didn't go through with it because I know
>>> Apple isn't signing that firmware, so I don't want my ipod to become
>>> completely unusable.
>>> 
>>> On 5/21/16, christopher hallsworth <challswor...@icloud.com> wrote:
>>>> It should restore to the current iOS version, 9.3.2.
>>>>> On 21 May 2016, at 14:04, Cheryl LeFurgey <clefur...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> Another interesting thing i forgot to mention yesterday.
>>>>> I put my ipod into DFU mode just to see what it looked like, hit
>>>>> restore, and it offered to restore to Ios9.1, I believe it was.
>>>>> I didn't do it, of course, because as far as i know apple isn't
>>>>> signing that version anymore, so I think restoring to it would brick
>>>>> my ipod worse than it already is.
>>>>> Why would a DFU mode restore offer a firmware Apple isn't signing?
>>>>> 
>>>>> On 5/21/16, Cheryl LeFurgey <clefur...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>> Alan,
>>>>>> Yeah, it is super weird that one device works while the other doesn't.
>>>>>> Also, yay, someone else who thinks the way I do about xp. It suits my
>>>>>> needs, I'll upgrade when my desktop dies.
>>>>>> All I use itunes for is putting music on my devices, so because one of
>>>>>> my devices works I can see no real reason to upgrade. If neither
>>>>>> device synced that'd be different.
>>>>>> Thanks for the good luck, I hope I can get this working, ugh.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> On 5/21/16, Alan Lemly <wale...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> Cheryl,
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> I agree with you one hundred percent and I still use my Windows XP
>>>>>>> box
>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>> run older programs that I had no interest in acquiring versions
>>>>>>> compatible
>>>>>>> with Windows 7. I've always believed that you should run the
>>>>>>> operating
>>>>>>> system that you know and that runs the programs you need to get your
>>>>>>> work
>>>>>>> done. Windows XP still does an awful lot of that for me.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> That's great that your iPhone running iOS 9.x is still working with
>>>>>>> iTunes
>>>>>>> 11.4 but it is a bit curious based on what I've also read. Your iPod
>>>>>>> is
>>>>>>> acting more as I would expect but the inconsistency of the two
>>>>>>> devices
>>>>>>> is
>>>>>>> baffling.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Good luck managing the inconsistency and I'll keep my fingers crossed
>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>> your iPhone and iTunes keep on working.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Alan
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> -Original Message-
>>>>>>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On
>>>>>>> Behalf
>>>>>>> Of Cheryl LeFurgey
>>>>>>> Sent: Friday, May 20, 2016 6:39 PM
>>>>>>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>>>>>>> Subject: Re: Weird itunes mystery.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Alan,
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Everything I've googled does support the idea 

Re: Weird itunes mystery.

[christopher hallsworth]

Good point. Update iTunes, and it should offer 9.3.2.
> On 21 May 2016, at 19:46, Christopher Chaltain <chalt...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> What version of iTunes are you running? that's the only reason I can imagine 
> you wouldn't be told you'd be getting 9.3.2 after the restore. I doubt Apple 
> would actually start installing a version of IOS that isn't even available 
> any more and end up bricking your phone. If it were me, I'd take the chance, 
> but I definitely don't blame anyone for being more cautious messing with a 
> device that might be very critical in your daily life.
> 
> On 21/05/16 13:43, Cheryl LeFurgey wrote:
>> I dunno, the only time I put the ipod into DFU mode then clicked
>> restore it offered me 9.1. I didn't go through with it because I know
>> Apple isn't signing that firmware, so I don't want my ipod to become
>> completely unusable.
>> 
>> On 5/21/16, christopher hallsworth <challswor...@icloud.com> wrote:
>>> It should restore to the current iOS version, 9.3.2.
>>>> On 21 May 2016, at 14:04, Cheryl LeFurgey <clefur...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Another interesting thing i forgot to mention yesterday.
>>>> I put my ipod into DFU mode just to see what it looked like, hit
>>>> restore, and it offered to restore to Ios9.1, I believe it was.
>>>> I didn't do it, of course, because as far as i know apple isn't
>>>> signing that version anymore, so I think restoring to it would brick
>>>> my ipod worse than it already is.
>>>> Why would a DFU mode restore offer a firmware Apple isn't signing?
>>>> 
>>>> On 5/21/16, Cheryl LeFurgey <clefur...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> Alan,
>>>>> Yeah, it is super weird that one device works while the other doesn't.
>>>>> Also, yay, someone else who thinks the way I do about xp. It suits my
>>>>> needs, I'll upgrade when my desktop dies.
>>>>> All I use itunes for is putting music on my devices, so because one of
>>>>> my devices works I can see no real reason to upgrade. If neither
>>>>> device synced that'd be different.
>>>>> Thanks for the good luck, I hope I can get this working, ugh.
>>>>> 
>>>>> On 5/21/16, Alan Lemly <wale...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>> Cheryl,
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> I agree with you one hundred percent and I still use my Windows XP box
>>>>>> to
>>>>>> run older programs that I had no interest in acquiring versions
>>>>>> compatible
>>>>>> with Windows 7. I've always believed that you should run the operating
>>>>>> system that you know and that runs the programs you need to get your
>>>>>> work
>>>>>> done. Windows XP still does an awful lot of that for me.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> That's great that your iPhone running iOS 9.x is still working with
>>>>>> iTunes
>>>>>> 11.4 but it is a bit curious based on what I've also read. Your iPod is
>>>>>> acting more as I would expect but the inconsistency of the two devices
>>>>>> is
>>>>>> baffling.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Good luck managing the inconsistency and I'll keep my fingers crossed
>>>>>> that
>>>>>> your iPhone and iTunes keep on working.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Alan
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> -Original Message-
>>>>>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On
>>>>>> Behalf
>>>>>> Of Cheryl LeFurgey
>>>>>> Sent: Friday, May 20, 2016 6:39 PM
>>>>>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>>>>>> Subject: Re: Weird itunes mystery.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Alan,
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Everything I've googled does support the idea that ITunes 12.x is
>>>>>> required,
>>>>>> that's why the fact that my phone will sync is such a mystery. Not that
>>>>>> i'm
>>>>>> complaining, of course!
>>>>>> I can connect my phone, it pops up in my sources list, and I can add
>>>>>> music
>>>>>> to it, which is all i use itunes for.
>>>>>> Yeah, if I do call, the people at apple will probably hear the words
>>>>>> windows
>>>>>> xp and start laughing. Well no

Re: Weird itunes mystery.

[christopher hallsworth]

Do you have the firmware of 9.1 downloaded to your computer? Because if so 
iTunes will try to use that rather than download the current firmware off the 
internet.
> On 21 May 2016, at 19:43, Cheryl LeFurgey <clefur...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> I dunno, the only time I put the ipod into DFU mode then clicked
> restore it offered me 9.1. I didn't go through with it because I know
> Apple isn't signing that firmware, so I don't want my ipod to become
> completely unusable.
> 
> On 5/21/16, christopher hallsworth <challswor...@icloud.com> wrote:
>> It should restore to the current iOS version, 9.3.2.
>>> On 21 May 2016, at 14:04, Cheryl LeFurgey <clefur...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Another interesting thing i forgot to mention yesterday.
>>> I put my ipod into DFU mode just to see what it looked like, hit
>>> restore, and it offered to restore to Ios9.1, I believe it was.
>>> I didn't do it, of course, because as far as i know apple isn't
>>> signing that version anymore, so I think restoring to it would brick
>>> my ipod worse than it already is.
>>> Why would a DFU mode restore offer a firmware Apple isn't signing?
>>> 
>>> On 5/21/16, Cheryl LeFurgey <clefur...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> Alan,
>>>> Yeah, it is super weird that one device works while the other doesn't.
>>>> Also, yay, someone else who thinks the way I do about xp. It suits my
>>>> needs, I'll upgrade when my desktop dies.
>>>> All I use itunes for is putting music on my devices, so because one of
>>>> my devices works I can see no real reason to upgrade. If neither
>>>> device synced that'd be different.
>>>> Thanks for the good luck, I hope I can get this working, ugh.
>>>> 
>>>> On 5/21/16, Alan Lemly <wale...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> Cheryl,
>>>>> 
>>>>> I agree with you one hundred percent and I still use my Windows XP box
>>>>> to
>>>>> run older programs that I had no interest in acquiring versions
>>>>> compatible
>>>>> with Windows 7. I've always believed that you should run the operating
>>>>> system that you know and that runs the programs you need to get your
>>>>> work
>>>>> done. Windows XP still does an awful lot of that for me.
>>>>> 
>>>>> That's great that your iPhone running iOS 9.x is still working with
>>>>> iTunes
>>>>> 11.4 but it is a bit curious based on what I've also read. Your iPod is
>>>>> acting more as I would expect but the inconsistency of the two devices
>>>>> is
>>>>> baffling.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Good luck managing the inconsistency and I'll keep my fingers crossed
>>>>> that
>>>>> your iPhone and iTunes keep on working.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Alan
>>>>> 
>>>>> -Original Message-
>>>>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On
>>>>> Behalf
>>>>> Of Cheryl LeFurgey
>>>>> Sent: Friday, May 20, 2016 6:39 PM
>>>>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>>>>> Subject: Re: Weird itunes mystery.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Alan,
>>>>> 
>>>>> Everything I've googled does support the idea that ITunes 12.x is
>>>>> required,
>>>>> that's why the fact that my phone will sync is such a mystery. Not that
>>>>> i'm
>>>>> complaining, of course!
>>>>> I can connect my phone, it pops up in my sources list, and I can add
>>>>> music
>>>>> to it, which is all i use itunes for.
>>>>> Yeah, if I do call, the people at apple will probably hear the words
>>>>> windows
>>>>> xp and start laughing. Well no, but everyone else says xp is outdated,
>>>>> not
>>>>> secure, bla bla bla. It works just fine here, I have no issues, I'll
>>>>> update
>>>>> when I'm good and ready.
>>>>> Hopefully I can get this resolved, it's kind of annoying to have an
>>>>> ipod
>>>>> and
>>>>> not be able to play music on it. I mean sure I could copy my library to
>>>>> dropbox and use that app to play music, but that kind of defeats the
>>>>> purpose, IMO.
>>>>> 
>>>>> On 5/20/16, Alan Lemly <wale...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>

Re: Weird itunes mystery.

[Cheryl LeFurgey]

I'm running itunes 11.4.
Yes, I know, there's a newer version for xp, but I like 11, plus my
IPhone will still sync fine, hense the mystery.

On 5/21/16, Christopher Chaltain <chalt...@gmail.com> wrote:
> What version of iTunes are you running? that's the only reason I can
> imagine you wouldn't be told you'd be getting 9.3.2 after the restore. I
> doubt Apple would actually start installing a version of IOS that isn't
> even available any more and end up bricking your phone. If it were me,
> I'd take the chance, but I definitely don't blame anyone for being more
> cautious messing with a device that might be very critical in your daily
> life.
>
> On 21/05/16 13:43, Cheryl LeFurgey wrote:
>> I dunno, the only time I put the ipod into DFU mode then clicked
>> restore it offered me 9.1. I didn't go through with it because I know
>> Apple isn't signing that firmware, so I don't want my ipod to become
>> completely unusable.
>>
>> On 5/21/16, christopher hallsworth <challswor...@icloud.com> wrote:
>>> It should restore to the current iOS version, 9.3.2.
>>>> On 21 May 2016, at 14:04, Cheryl LeFurgey <clefur...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Another interesting thing i forgot to mention yesterday.
>>>> I put my ipod into DFU mode just to see what it looked like, hit
>>>> restore, and it offered to restore to Ios9.1, I believe it was.
>>>> I didn't do it, of course, because as far as i know apple isn't
>>>> signing that version anymore, so I think restoring to it would brick
>>>> my ipod worse than it already is.
>>>> Why would a DFU mode restore offer a firmware Apple isn't signing?
>>>>
>>>> On 5/21/16, Cheryl LeFurgey <clefur...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> Alan,
>>>>> Yeah, it is super weird that one device works while the other doesn't.
>>>>> Also, yay, someone else who thinks the way I do about xp. It suits my
>>>>> needs, I'll upgrade when my desktop dies.
>>>>> All I use itunes for is putting music on my devices, so because one of
>>>>> my devices works I can see no real reason to upgrade. If neither
>>>>> device synced that'd be different.
>>>>> Thanks for the good luck, I hope I can get this working, ugh.
>>>>>
>>>>> On 5/21/16, Alan Lemly <wale...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>> Cheryl,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I agree with you one hundred percent and I still use my Windows XP
>>>>>> box
>>>>>> to
>>>>>> run older programs that I had no interest in acquiring versions
>>>>>> compatible
>>>>>> with Windows 7. I've always believed that you should run the
>>>>>> operating
>>>>>> system that you know and that runs the programs you need to get your
>>>>>> work
>>>>>> done. Windows XP still does an awful lot of that for me.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> That's great that your iPhone running iOS 9.x is still working with
>>>>>> iTunes
>>>>>> 11.4 but it is a bit curious based on what I've also read. Your iPod
>>>>>> is
>>>>>> acting more as I would expect but the inconsistency of the two
>>>>>> devices
>>>>>> is
>>>>>> baffling.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Good luck managing the inconsistency and I'll keep my fingers crossed
>>>>>> that
>>>>>> your iPhone and iTunes keep on working.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Alan
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -Original Message-
>>>>>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On
>>>>>> Behalf
>>>>>> Of Cheryl LeFurgey
>>>>>> Sent: Friday, May 20, 2016 6:39 PM
>>>>>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>>>>>> Subject: Re: Weird itunes mystery.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Alan,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Everything I've googled does support the idea that ITunes 12.x is
>>>>>> required,
>>>>>> that's why the fact that my phone will sync is such a mystery. Not
>>>>>> that
>>>>>> i'm
>>>>>> complaining, of course!
>>>>>> I can connect my phone, it pops up in my sources list, and I can add
>>>>>> music
>>>>>> to it, which is all i use itunes for.
>>&

Re: Weird itunes mystery.

[Christopher Chaltain]

What version of iTunes are you running? that's the only reason I can 
imagine you wouldn't be told you'd be getting 9.3.2 after the restore. I 
doubt Apple would actually start installing a version of IOS that isn't 
even available any more and end up bricking your phone. If it were me, 
I'd take the chance, but I definitely don't blame anyone for being more 
cautious messing with a device that might be very critical in your daily 
life.


On 21/05/16 13:43, Cheryl LeFurgey wrote:

I dunno, the only time I put the ipod into DFU mode then clicked
restore it offered me 9.1. I didn't go through with it because I know
Apple isn't signing that firmware, so I don't want my ipod to become
completely unusable.

On 5/21/16, christopher hallsworth <challswor...@icloud.com> wrote:

It should restore to the current iOS version, 9.3.2.

On 21 May 2016, at 14:04, Cheryl LeFurgey <clefur...@gmail.com> wrote:

Another interesting thing i forgot to mention yesterday.
I put my ipod into DFU mode just to see what it looked like, hit
restore, and it offered to restore to Ios9.1, I believe it was.
I didn't do it, of course, because as far as i know apple isn't
signing that version anymore, so I think restoring to it would brick
my ipod worse than it already is.
Why would a DFU mode restore offer a firmware Apple isn't signing?

On 5/21/16, Cheryl LeFurgey <clefur...@gmail.com> wrote:

Alan,
Yeah, it is super weird that one device works while the other doesn't.
Also, yay, someone else who thinks the way I do about xp. It suits my
needs, I'll upgrade when my desktop dies.
All I use itunes for is putting music on my devices, so because one of
my devices works I can see no real reason to upgrade. If neither
device synced that'd be different.
Thanks for the good luck, I hope I can get this working, ugh.

On 5/21/16, Alan Lemly <wale...@gmail.com> wrote:

Cheryl,

I agree with you one hundred percent and I still use my Windows XP box
to
run older programs that I had no interest in acquiring versions
compatible
with Windows 7. I've always believed that you should run the operating
system that you know and that runs the programs you need to get your
work
done. Windows XP still does an awful lot of that for me.

That's great that your iPhone running iOS 9.x is still working with
iTunes
11.4 but it is a bit curious based on what I've also read. Your iPod is
acting more as I would expect but the inconsistency of the two devices
is
baffling.

Good luck managing the inconsistency and I'll keep my fingers crossed
that
your iPhone and iTunes keep on working.

Alan

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On
Behalf
Of Cheryl LeFurgey
Sent: Friday, May 20, 2016 6:39 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Weird itunes mystery.

Alan,

Everything I've googled does support the idea that ITunes 12.x is
required,
that's why the fact that my phone will sync is such a mystery. Not that
i'm
complaining, of course!
I can connect my phone, it pops up in my sources list, and I can add
music
to it, which is all i use itunes for.
Yeah, if I do call, the people at apple will probably hear the words
windows
xp and start laughing. Well no, but everyone else says xp is outdated,
not
secure, bla bla bla. It works just fine here, I have no issues, I'll
update
when I'm good and ready.
Hopefully I can get this resolved, it's kind of annoying to have an
ipod
and
not be able to play music on it. I mean sure I could copy my library to
dropbox and use that app to play music, but that kind of defeats the
purpose, IMO.

On 5/20/16, Alan Lemly <wale...@gmail.com> wrote:

Cheryl,

I wish I had an answer for you but I was under the impression that
those running iOS 9.x had to run iTunes 12.x to get correct iTunes
behavior with their iDevices for things like syncing and backing up.
Since you were getting your iTunes 11.4 to sync okay before this
problem arose, I guess something about my information was incorrect. I
too have a desktop system running Windows XP but I'm transitioning to
another desktop system running Windows 7 which is the one on which I
run iTunes. I ran iTunes 11.4 on my Windows 7 system until day before
yesterday when I upgraded it to version
12.4 since I was finally ready to upgrade to iOS 9.x and believed
iTunes 12.x was required to get correct functionality between iTunes
and a device running iOS 9.x.

As Richard suggested, maybe Apple Accessibility will be able to help
but I suspect they're going to start that upgrade your iTunes rallying
cry when they learn you're running iTunes 11.4.

I hope you're able to resolve your issue.

Alan Lemly

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On
Behalf Of Richard Turner
Sent: Friday, May 20, 2016 10:08 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Weird itunes mystery.

Not to sound like a broken record, but have you called Apple
Accessibility?
877-204-3930?
Richard


Th

Re: Weird itunes mystery.

[Cheryl LeFurgey]

I dunno, the only time I put the ipod into DFU mode then clicked
restore it offered me 9.1. I didn't go through with it because I know
Apple isn't signing that firmware, so I don't want my ipod to become
completely unusable.

On 5/21/16, christopher hallsworth <challswor...@icloud.com> wrote:
> It should restore to the current iOS version, 9.3.2.
>> On 21 May 2016, at 14:04, Cheryl LeFurgey <clefur...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> Another interesting thing i forgot to mention yesterday.
>> I put my ipod into DFU mode just to see what it looked like, hit
>> restore, and it offered to restore to Ios9.1, I believe it was.
>> I didn't do it, of course, because as far as i know apple isn't
>> signing that version anymore, so I think restoring to it would brick
>> my ipod worse than it already is.
>> Why would a DFU mode restore offer a firmware Apple isn't signing?
>>
>> On 5/21/16, Cheryl LeFurgey <clefur...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> Alan,
>>> Yeah, it is super weird that one device works while the other doesn't.
>>> Also, yay, someone else who thinks the way I do about xp. It suits my
>>> needs, I'll upgrade when my desktop dies.
>>> All I use itunes for is putting music on my devices, so because one of
>>> my devices works I can see no real reason to upgrade. If neither
>>> device synced that'd be different.
>>> Thanks for the good luck, I hope I can get this working, ugh.
>>>
>>> On 5/21/16, Alan Lemly <wale...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> Cheryl,
>>>>
>>>> I agree with you one hundred percent and I still use my Windows XP box
>>>> to
>>>> run older programs that I had no interest in acquiring versions
>>>> compatible
>>>> with Windows 7. I've always believed that you should run the operating
>>>> system that you know and that runs the programs you need to get your
>>>> work
>>>> done. Windows XP still does an awful lot of that for me.
>>>>
>>>> That's great that your iPhone running iOS 9.x is still working with
>>>> iTunes
>>>> 11.4 but it is a bit curious based on what I've also read. Your iPod is
>>>> acting more as I would expect but the inconsistency of the two devices
>>>> is
>>>> baffling.
>>>>
>>>> Good luck managing the inconsistency and I'll keep my fingers crossed
>>>> that
>>>> your iPhone and iTunes keep on working.
>>>>
>>>> Alan
>>>>
>>>> -Original Message-
>>>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On
>>>> Behalf
>>>> Of Cheryl LeFurgey
>>>> Sent: Friday, May 20, 2016 6:39 PM
>>>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>>>> Subject: Re: Weird itunes mystery.
>>>>
>>>> Alan,
>>>>
>>>> Everything I've googled does support the idea that ITunes 12.x is
>>>> required,
>>>> that's why the fact that my phone will sync is such a mystery. Not that
>>>> i'm
>>>> complaining, of course!
>>>> I can connect my phone, it pops up in my sources list, and I can add
>>>> music
>>>> to it, which is all i use itunes for.
>>>> Yeah, if I do call, the people at apple will probably hear the words
>>>> windows
>>>> xp and start laughing. Well no, but everyone else says xp is outdated,
>>>> not
>>>> secure, bla bla bla. It works just fine here, I have no issues, I'll
>>>> update
>>>> when I'm good and ready.
>>>> Hopefully I can get this resolved, it's kind of annoying to have an
>>>> ipod
>>>> and
>>>> not be able to play music on it. I mean sure I could copy my library to
>>>> dropbox and use that app to play music, but that kind of defeats the
>>>> purpose, IMO.
>>>>
>>>> On 5/20/16, Alan Lemly <wale...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> Cheryl,
>>>>>
>>>>> I wish I had an answer for you but I was under the impression that
>>>>> those running iOS 9.x had to run iTunes 12.x to get correct iTunes
>>>>> behavior with their iDevices for things like syncing and backing up.
>>>>> Since you were getting your iTunes 11.4 to sync okay before this
>>>>> problem arose, I guess something about my information was incorrect. I
>>>>> too have a desktop system running Windows XP but I'm transitioning to
>>>>> another desktop system runnin

Re: Weird itunes mystery.

[christopher hallsworth]

It should restore to the current iOS version, 9.3.2.
> On 21 May 2016, at 14:04, Cheryl LeFurgey <clefur...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Another interesting thing i forgot to mention yesterday.
> I put my ipod into DFU mode just to see what it looked like, hit
> restore, and it offered to restore to Ios9.1, I believe it was.
> I didn't do it, of course, because as far as i know apple isn't
> signing that version anymore, so I think restoring to it would brick
> my ipod worse than it already is.
> Why would a DFU mode restore offer a firmware Apple isn't signing?
> 
> On 5/21/16, Cheryl LeFurgey <clefur...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Alan,
>> Yeah, it is super weird that one device works while the other doesn't.
>> Also, yay, someone else who thinks the way I do about xp. It suits my
>> needs, I'll upgrade when my desktop dies.
>> All I use itunes for is putting music on my devices, so because one of
>> my devices works I can see no real reason to upgrade. If neither
>> device synced that'd be different.
>> Thanks for the good luck, I hope I can get this working, ugh.
>> 
>> On 5/21/16, Alan Lemly <wale...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> Cheryl,
>>> 
>>> I agree with you one hundred percent and I still use my Windows XP box to
>>> run older programs that I had no interest in acquiring versions
>>> compatible
>>> with Windows 7. I've always believed that you should run the operating
>>> system that you know and that runs the programs you need to get your work
>>> done. Windows XP still does an awful lot of that for me.
>>> 
>>> That's great that your iPhone running iOS 9.x is still working with
>>> iTunes
>>> 11.4 but it is a bit curious based on what I've also read. Your iPod is
>>> acting more as I would expect but the inconsistency of the two devices is
>>> baffling.
>>> 
>>> Good luck managing the inconsistency and I'll keep my fingers crossed
>>> that
>>> your iPhone and iTunes keep on working.
>>> 
>>> Alan
>>> 
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On
>>> Behalf
>>> Of Cheryl LeFurgey
>>> Sent: Friday, May 20, 2016 6:39 PM
>>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: Re: Weird itunes mystery.
>>> 
>>> Alan,
>>> 
>>> Everything I've googled does support the idea that ITunes 12.x is
>>> required,
>>> that's why the fact that my phone will sync is such a mystery. Not that
>>> i'm
>>> complaining, of course!
>>> I can connect my phone, it pops up in my sources list, and I can add
>>> music
>>> to it, which is all i use itunes for.
>>> Yeah, if I do call, the people at apple will probably hear the words
>>> windows
>>> xp and start laughing. Well no, but everyone else says xp is outdated,
>>> not
>>> secure, bla bla bla. It works just fine here, I have no issues, I'll
>>> update
>>> when I'm good and ready.
>>> Hopefully I can get this resolved, it's kind of annoying to have an ipod
>>> and
>>> not be able to play music on it. I mean sure I could copy my library to
>>> dropbox and use that app to play music, but that kind of defeats the
>>> purpose, IMO.
>>> 
>>> On 5/20/16, Alan Lemly <wale...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> Cheryl,
>>>> 
>>>> I wish I had an answer for you but I was under the impression that
>>>> those running iOS 9.x had to run iTunes 12.x to get correct iTunes
>>>> behavior with their iDevices for things like syncing and backing up.
>>>> Since you were getting your iTunes 11.4 to sync okay before this
>>>> problem arose, I guess something about my information was incorrect. I
>>>> too have a desktop system running Windows XP but I'm transitioning to
>>>> another desktop system running Windows 7 which is the one on which I
>>>> run iTunes. I ran iTunes 11.4 on my Windows 7 system until day before
>>>> yesterday when I upgraded it to version
>>>> 12.4 since I was finally ready to upgrade to iOS 9.x and believed
>>>> iTunes 12.x was required to get correct functionality between iTunes
>>>> and a device running iOS 9.x.
>>>> 
>>>> As Richard suggested, maybe Apple Accessibility will be able to help
>>>> but I suspect they're going to start that upgrade your iTunes rallying
>>>> cry when they learn you're running iTunes 11.4.
>>>> 
>>>> 

RE: Weird itunes mystery.

[Sieghard Weitzel]

Hi Cheryl,

If all you do is use that XP machine for iTunes and a few other things it's 
fine. If, however, you use it for spending time online, possibly buying items 
online or, even worse, doing things like online banking and so on you really 
putting yourself at risk. There have been no security updates for XP in some 
time and people who use it for things where security is a concern are putting 
themselves at a pretty big risk. Just saying.

Regards,
Sieghard

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Cheryl LeFurgey
Sent: Saturday, May 21, 2016 12:52 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Weird itunes mystery.

Alan,
Yeah, it is super weird that one device works while the other doesn't.
Also, yay, someone else who thinks the way I do about xp. It suits my needs, 
I'll upgrade when my desktop dies.
All I use itunes for is putting music on my devices, so because one of my 
devices works I can see no real reason to upgrade. If neither device synced 
that'd be different.
Thanks for the good luck, I hope I can get this working, ugh.

On 5/21/16, Alan Lemly <wale...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Cheryl,
>
> I agree with you one hundred percent and I still use my Windows XP box 
> to run older programs that I had no interest in acquiring versions 
> compatible with Windows 7. I've always believed that you should run 
> the operating system that you know and that runs the programs you need 
> to get your work done. Windows XP still does an awful lot of that for me.
>
> That's great that your iPhone running iOS 9.x is still working with 
> iTunes
> 11.4 but it is a bit curious based on what I've also read. Your iPod 
> is acting more as I would expect but the inconsistency of the two 
> devices is baffling.
>
> Good luck managing the inconsistency and I'll keep my fingers crossed 
> that your iPhone and iTunes keep on working.
>
> Alan
>
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On 
> Behalf Of Cheryl LeFurgey
> Sent: Friday, May 20, 2016 6:39 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Weird itunes mystery.
>
> Alan,
>
> Everything I've googled does support the idea that ITunes 12.x is 
> required, that's why the fact that my phone will sync is such a 
> mystery. Not that i'm complaining, of course!
> I can connect my phone, it pops up in my sources list, and I can add 
> music to it, which is all i use itunes for.
> Yeah, if I do call, the people at apple will probably hear the words 
> windows xp and start laughing. Well no, but everyone else says xp is 
> outdated, not secure, bla bla bla. It works just fine here, I have no 
> issues, I'll update when I'm good and ready.
> Hopefully I can get this resolved, it's kind of annoying to have an 
> ipod and not be able to play music on it. I mean sure I could copy my 
> library to dropbox and use that app to play music, but that kind of 
> defeats the purpose, IMO.
>
> On 5/20/16, Alan Lemly <wale...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Cheryl,
>>
>> I wish I had an answer for you but I was under the impression that 
>> those running iOS 9.x had to run iTunes 12.x to get correct iTunes 
>> behavior with their iDevices for things like syncing and backing up.
>> Since you were getting your iTunes 11.4 to sync okay before this 
>> problem arose, I guess something about my information was incorrect. 
>> I too have a desktop system running Windows XP but I'm transitioning 
>> to another desktop system running Windows 7 which is the one on which 
>> I run iTunes. I ran iTunes 11.4 on my Windows 7 system until day 
>> before yesterday when I upgraded it to version
>> 12.4 since I was finally ready to upgrade to iOS 9.x and believed 
>> iTunes 12.x was required to get correct functionality between iTunes 
>> and a device running iOS 9.x.
>>
>> As Richard suggested, maybe Apple Accessibility will be able to help 
>> but I suspect they're going to start that upgrade your iTunes 
>> rallying cry when they learn you're running iTunes 11.4.
>>
>> I hope you're able to resolve your issue.
>>
>> Alan Lemly
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On 
>> Behalf Of Richard Turner
>> Sent: Friday, May 20, 2016 10:08 AM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: Weird itunes mystery.
>>
>> Not to sound like a broken record, but have you called Apple 
>> Accessibility?
>> 877-204-3930?
>> Richard
>>
>>
>>  The problem with people who have no vices is that generally you can 
>> be pretty sure they're going to have some pretty annoying virtues.
>&

Re: Weird itunes mystery.

[Cheryl LeFurgey]

Another interesting thing i forgot to mention yesterday.
I put my ipod into DFU mode just to see what it looked like, hit
restore, and it offered to restore to Ios9.1, I believe it was.
I didn't do it, of course, because as far as i know apple isn't
signing that version anymore, so I think restoring to it would brick
my ipod worse than it already is.
Why would a DFU mode restore offer a firmware Apple isn't signing?

On 5/21/16, Cheryl LeFurgey <clefur...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Alan,
> Yeah, it is super weird that one device works while the other doesn't.
> Also, yay, someone else who thinks the way I do about xp. It suits my
> needs, I'll upgrade when my desktop dies.
> All I use itunes for is putting music on my devices, so because one of
> my devices works I can see no real reason to upgrade. If neither
> device synced that'd be different.
> Thanks for the good luck, I hope I can get this working, ugh.
>
> On 5/21/16, Alan Lemly <wale...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Cheryl,
>>
>> I agree with you one hundred percent and I still use my Windows XP box to
>> run older programs that I had no interest in acquiring versions
>> compatible
>> with Windows 7. I've always believed that you should run the operating
>> system that you know and that runs the programs you need to get your work
>> done. Windows XP still does an awful lot of that for me.
>>
>> That's great that your iPhone running iOS 9.x is still working with
>> iTunes
>> 11.4 but it is a bit curious based on what I've also read. Your iPod is
>> acting more as I would expect but the inconsistency of the two devices is
>> baffling.
>>
>> Good luck managing the inconsistency and I'll keep my fingers crossed
>> that
>> your iPhone and iTunes keep on working.
>>
>> Alan
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On
>> Behalf
>> Of Cheryl LeFurgey
>> Sent: Friday, May 20, 2016 6:39 PM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: Weird itunes mystery.
>>
>> Alan,
>>
>> Everything I've googled does support the idea that ITunes 12.x is
>> required,
>> that's why the fact that my phone will sync is such a mystery. Not that
>> i'm
>> complaining, of course!
>> I can connect my phone, it pops up in my sources list, and I can add
>> music
>> to it, which is all i use itunes for.
>> Yeah, if I do call, the people at apple will probably hear the words
>> windows
>> xp and start laughing. Well no, but everyone else says xp is outdated,
>> not
>> secure, bla bla bla. It works just fine here, I have no issues, I'll
>> update
>> when I'm good and ready.
>> Hopefully I can get this resolved, it's kind of annoying to have an ipod
>> and
>> not be able to play music on it. I mean sure I could copy my library to
>> dropbox and use that app to play music, but that kind of defeats the
>> purpose, IMO.
>>
>> On 5/20/16, Alan Lemly <wale...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> Cheryl,
>>>
>>> I wish I had an answer for you but I was under the impression that
>>> those running iOS 9.x had to run iTunes 12.x to get correct iTunes
>>> behavior with their iDevices for things like syncing and backing up.
>>> Since you were getting your iTunes 11.4 to sync okay before this
>>> problem arose, I guess something about my information was incorrect. I
>>> too have a desktop system running Windows XP but I'm transitioning to
>>> another desktop system running Windows 7 which is the one on which I
>>> run iTunes. I ran iTunes 11.4 on my Windows 7 system until day before
>>> yesterday when I upgraded it to version
>>> 12.4 since I was finally ready to upgrade to iOS 9.x and believed
>>> iTunes 12.x was required to get correct functionality between iTunes
>>> and a device running iOS 9.x.
>>>
>>> As Richard suggested, maybe Apple Accessibility will be able to help
>>> but I suspect they're going to start that upgrade your iTunes rallying
>>> cry when they learn you're running iTunes 11.4.
>>>
>>> I hope you're able to resolve your issue.
>>>
>>> Alan Lemly
>>>
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On
>>> Behalf Of Richard Turner
>>> Sent: Friday, May 20, 2016 10:08 AM
>>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: Re: Weird itunes mystery.
>>>
>>> Not to sound like a broken record, but have you called Apple
>>> Accessibility?
>>> 87

Re: Weird itunes mystery.

[Cheryl LeFurgey]

Alan,
Yeah, it is super weird that one device works while the other doesn't.
Also, yay, someone else who thinks the way I do about xp. It suits my
needs, I'll upgrade when my desktop dies.
All I use itunes for is putting music on my devices, so because one of
my devices works I can see no real reason to upgrade. If neither
device synced that'd be different.
Thanks for the good luck, I hope I can get this working, ugh.

On 5/21/16, Alan Lemly <wale...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Cheryl,
>
> I agree with you one hundred percent and I still use my Windows XP box to
> run older programs that I had no interest in acquiring versions compatible
> with Windows 7. I've always believed that you should run the operating
> system that you know and that runs the programs you need to get your work
> done. Windows XP still does an awful lot of that for me.
>
> That's great that your iPhone running iOS 9.x is still working with iTunes
> 11.4 but it is a bit curious based on what I've also read. Your iPod is
> acting more as I would expect but the inconsistency of the two devices is
> baffling.
>
> Good luck managing the inconsistency and I'll keep my fingers crossed that
> your iPhone and iTunes keep on working.
>
> Alan
>
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
> Of Cheryl LeFurgey
> Sent: Friday, May 20, 2016 6:39 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Weird itunes mystery.
>
> Alan,
>
> Everything I've googled does support the idea that ITunes 12.x is required,
> that's why the fact that my phone will sync is such a mystery. Not that i'm
> complaining, of course!
> I can connect my phone, it pops up in my sources list, and I can add music
> to it, which is all i use itunes for.
> Yeah, if I do call, the people at apple will probably hear the words windows
> xp and start laughing. Well no, but everyone else says xp is outdated, not
> secure, bla bla bla. It works just fine here, I have no issues, I'll update
> when I'm good and ready.
> Hopefully I can get this resolved, it's kind of annoying to have an ipod and
> not be able to play music on it. I mean sure I could copy my library to
> dropbox and use that app to play music, but that kind of defeats the
> purpose, IMO.
>
> On 5/20/16, Alan Lemly <wale...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Cheryl,
>>
>> I wish I had an answer for you but I was under the impression that
>> those running iOS 9.x had to run iTunes 12.x to get correct iTunes
>> behavior with their iDevices for things like syncing and backing up.
>> Since you were getting your iTunes 11.4 to sync okay before this
>> problem arose, I guess something about my information was incorrect. I
>> too have a desktop system running Windows XP but I'm transitioning to
>> another desktop system running Windows 7 which is the one on which I
>> run iTunes. I ran iTunes 11.4 on my Windows 7 system until day before
>> yesterday when I upgraded it to version
>> 12.4 since I was finally ready to upgrade to iOS 9.x and believed
>> iTunes 12.x was required to get correct functionality between iTunes
>> and a device running iOS 9.x.
>>
>> As Richard suggested, maybe Apple Accessibility will be able to help
>> but I suspect they're going to start that upgrade your iTunes rallying
>> cry when they learn you're running iTunes 11.4.
>>
>> I hope you're able to resolve your issue.
>>
>> Alan Lemly
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On
>> Behalf Of Richard Turner
>> Sent: Friday, May 20, 2016 10:08 AM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: Weird itunes mystery.
>>
>> Not to sound like a broken record, but have you called Apple
>> Accessibility?
>> 877-204-3930?
>> Richard
>>
>>
>>  The problem with people who have no vices is that generally you can
>> be pretty sure they're going to have some pretty annoying virtues.
>> Elizabeth Taylor (Sent from my iPhone 5S)
>>
>>> On May 20, 2016, at 7:11 AM, Cheryl LeFurgey <clefur...@gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi, everyone.
>>> First, before I get into what's going on, let me say that i'm using
>>> an ipod touch fifth gen, and that my computer is running windows xp
>>> and Itunes 11.4.
>>> Yes, I know, my OS is ancient, please don't tell me that.
>>> Now, on to the mystery.
>>> About a month ago, I downloaded an AudioBoom update, didn't like it,
>>> and tried to go back to the previous version.
>>> Unfortunately, I didn't have the right version on my computer, so I
>>> 

RE: Weird itunes mystery.

[Alan Lemly]

Cheryl,

I agree with you one hundred percent and I still use my Windows XP box to run 
older programs that I had no interest in acquiring versions compatible with 
Windows 7. I've always believed that you should run the operating system that 
you know and that runs the programs you need to get your work done. Windows XP 
still does an awful lot of that for me.

That's great that your iPhone running iOS 9.x is still working with iTunes 11.4 
but it is a bit curious based on what I've also read. Your iPod is acting more 
as I would expect but the inconsistency of the two devices is baffling.

Good luck managing the inconsistency and I'll keep my fingers crossed that your 
iPhone and iTunes keep on working.

Alan

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Cheryl LeFurgey
Sent: Friday, May 20, 2016 6:39 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Weird itunes mystery.

Alan,

Everything I've googled does support the idea that ITunes 12.x is required, 
that's why the fact that my phone will sync is such a mystery. Not that i'm 
complaining, of course!
I can connect my phone, it pops up in my sources list, and I can add music to 
it, which is all i use itunes for.
Yeah, if I do call, the people at apple will probably hear the words windows xp 
and start laughing. Well no, but everyone else says xp is outdated, not secure, 
bla bla bla. It works just fine here, I have no issues, I'll update when I'm 
good and ready.
Hopefully I can get this resolved, it's kind of annoying to have an ipod and 
not be able to play music on it. I mean sure I could copy my library to dropbox 
and use that app to play music, but that kind of defeats the purpose, IMO.

On 5/20/16, Alan Lemly <wale...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Cheryl,
>
> I wish I had an answer for you but I was under the impression that 
> those running iOS 9.x had to run iTunes 12.x to get correct iTunes 
> behavior with their iDevices for things like syncing and backing up. 
> Since you were getting your iTunes 11.4 to sync okay before this 
> problem arose, I guess something about my information was incorrect. I 
> too have a desktop system running Windows XP but I'm transitioning to 
> another desktop system running Windows 7 which is the one on which I 
> run iTunes. I ran iTunes 11.4 on my Windows 7 system until day before 
> yesterday when I upgraded it to version
> 12.4 since I was finally ready to upgrade to iOS 9.x and believed 
> iTunes 12.x was required to get correct functionality between iTunes 
> and a device running iOS 9.x.
>
> As Richard suggested, maybe Apple Accessibility will be able to help 
> but I suspect they're going to start that upgrade your iTunes rallying 
> cry when they learn you're running iTunes 11.4.
>
> I hope you're able to resolve your issue.
>
> Alan Lemly
>
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On 
> Behalf Of Richard Turner
> Sent: Friday, May 20, 2016 10:08 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Weird itunes mystery.
>
> Not to sound like a broken record, but have you called Apple Accessibility?
> 877-204-3930?
> Richard
>
>
>  The problem with people who have no vices is that generally you can 
> be pretty sure they're going to have some pretty annoying virtues.  
> Elizabeth Taylor (Sent from my iPhone 5S)
>
>> On May 20, 2016, at 7:11 AM, Cheryl LeFurgey <clefur...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> Hi, everyone.
>> First, before I get into what's going on, let me say that i'm using 
>> an ipod touch fifth gen, and that my computer is running windows xp 
>> and Itunes 11.4.
>> Yes, I know, my OS is ancient, please don't tell me that.
>> Now, on to the mystery.
>> About a month ago, I downloaded an AudioBoom update, didn't like it, 
>> and tried to go back to the previous version.
>> Unfortunately, I didn't have the right version on my computer, so I 
>> restored my ipod from an icloud backup in order to get my previous 
>> app back.
>> The restore worked, eventually. The first few times it kept saying it 
>> couldn't copy some of my apps because they weren't available, but I 
>> was eventually able to complete a restore.
>> I import all of my music from cds, using itunes to sync it to my ipod.
>> Because of the restore, my music wasn't coppied over.
>> So I tried to sync my ipod to get my music back, only to be told that 
>> my ipod couldn't be used because it required a newer version of 
>> itunes.
>> Now, for the mystery. My iphone 5, which is running the exact same 
>> version of IOS as my ipod (when this started it was 9.3.1, and still 
>> happens with 9.3.2), will sync just fine.
>> i've tried everything I can think of to get t

Re: Weird itunes mystery.

[Cheryl LeFurgey]

Alan,

Everything I've googled does support the idea that ITunes 12.x is
required, that's why the fact that my phone will sync is such a
mystery. Not that i'm complaining, of course!
I can connect my phone, it pops up in my sources list, and I can add
music to it, which is all i use itunes for.
Yeah, if I do call, the people at apple will probably hear the words
windows xp and start laughing. Well no, but everyone else says xp is
outdated, not secure, bla bla bla. It works just fine here, I have no
issues, I'll update when I'm good and ready.
Hopefully I can get this resolved, it's kind of annoying to have an
ipod and not be able to play music on it. I mean sure I could copy my
library to dropbox and use that app to play music, but that kind of
defeats the purpose, IMO.

On 5/20/16, Alan Lemly <wale...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Cheryl,
>
> I wish I had an answer for you but I was under the impression that those
> running iOS 9.x had to run iTunes 12.x to get correct iTunes behavior with
> their iDevices for things like syncing and backing up. Since you were
> getting your iTunes 11.4 to sync okay before this problem arose, I guess
> something about my information was incorrect. I too have a desktop system
> running Windows XP but I'm transitioning to another desktop system running
> Windows 7 which is the one on which I run iTunes. I ran iTunes 11.4 on my
> Windows 7 system until day before yesterday when I upgraded it to version
> 12.4 since I was finally ready to upgrade to iOS 9.x and believed iTunes
> 12.x was required to get correct functionality between iTunes and a device
> running iOS 9.x.
>
> As Richard suggested, maybe Apple Accessibility will be able to help but I
> suspect they're going to start that upgrade your iTunes rallying cry when
> they learn you're running iTunes 11.4.
>
> I hope you're able to resolve your issue.
>
> Alan Lemly
>
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
> Of Richard Turner
> Sent: Friday, May 20, 2016 10:08 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Weird itunes mystery.
>
> Not to sound like a broken record, but have you called Apple Accessibility?
> 877-204-3930?
> Richard
>
>
>  The problem with people who have no vices is that generally you can be
> pretty sure they're going to have some pretty annoying virtues.  Elizabeth
> Taylor (Sent from my iPhone 5S)
>
>> On May 20, 2016, at 7:11 AM, Cheryl LeFurgey <clefur...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> Hi, everyone.
>> First, before I get into what's going on, let me say that i'm using an
>> ipod touch fifth gen, and that my computer is running windows xp and
>> Itunes 11.4.
>> Yes, I know, my OS is ancient, please don't tell me that.
>> Now, on to the mystery.
>> About a month ago, I downloaded an AudioBoom update, didn't like it,
>> and tried to go back to the previous version.
>> Unfortunately, I didn't have the right version on my computer, so I
>> restored my ipod from an icloud backup in order to get my previous app
>> back.
>> The restore worked, eventually. The first few times it kept saying it
>> couldn't copy some of my apps because they weren't available, but I
>> was eventually able to complete a restore.
>> I import all of my music from cds, using itunes to sync it to my ipod.
>> Because of the restore, my music wasn't coppied over.
>> So I tried to sync my ipod to get my music back, only to be told that
>> my ipod couldn't be used because it required a newer version of
>> itunes.
>> Now, for the mystery. My iphone 5, which is running the exact same
>> version of IOS as my ipod (when this started it was 9.3.1, and still
>> happens with 9.3.2), will sync just fine.
>> i've tried everything I can think of to get this working, with no
>> success. I even downloaded the IPSW file for IOS9.3.1, put my ipod
>> into recovery mode and restored with that, no luck.
>> Now, there is a newer version of itunes that'll work on xp, but I
>> don't like itunes 12, and because my phone will still sync fine, see
>> no real reason to update.
>> Has anyone had this kind of thing happen to them? If so, what can I do
>> to get my music back onto my ipod? I've even tried various wifi file
>> sharing apps, but they all just keep the files inside themselves,
>> since apple won't allow us to copy music to the ipod's internal
>> library without itunes.
>> Thanks in advance for any suggestions, this is super frustrating.
>>
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RE: Weird itunes mystery.

[Alan Lemly]

Cheryl,

I wish I had an answer for you but I was under the impression that those 
running iOS 9.x had to run iTunes 12.x to get correct iTunes behavior with 
their iDevices for things like syncing and backing up. Since you were getting 
your iTunes 11.4 to sync okay before this problem arose, I guess something 
about my information was incorrect. I too have a desktop system running Windows 
XP but I'm transitioning to another desktop system running Windows 7 which is 
the one on which I run iTunes. I ran iTunes 11.4 on my Windows 7 system until 
day before yesterday when I upgraded it to version 12.4 since I was finally 
ready to upgrade to iOS 9.x and believed iTunes 12.x was required to get 
correct functionality between iTunes and a device running iOS 9.x.

As Richard suggested, maybe Apple Accessibility will be able to help but I 
suspect they're going to start that upgrade your iTunes rallying cry when they 
learn you're running iTunes 11.4.

I hope you're able to resolve your issue.

Alan Lemly

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Richard Turner
Sent: Friday, May 20, 2016 10:08 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Weird itunes mystery.

Not to sound like a broken record, but have you called Apple Accessibility?
877-204-3930?
Richard
 
 
 The problem with people who have no vices is that generally you can be pretty 
sure they're going to have some pretty annoying virtues.  Elizabeth Taylor 
(Sent from my iPhone 5S)

> On May 20, 2016, at 7:11 AM, Cheryl LeFurgey <clefur...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Hi, everyone.
> First, before I get into what's going on, let me say that i'm using an 
> ipod touch fifth gen, and that my computer is running windows xp and 
> Itunes 11.4.
> Yes, I know, my OS is ancient, please don't tell me that.
> Now, on to the mystery.
> About a month ago, I downloaded an AudioBoom update, didn't like it, 
> and tried to go back to the previous version.
> Unfortunately, I didn't have the right version on my computer, so I 
> restored my ipod from an icloud backup in order to get my previous app 
> back.
> The restore worked, eventually. The first few times it kept saying it 
> couldn't copy some of my apps because they weren't available, but I 
> was eventually able to complete a restore.
> I import all of my music from cds, using itunes to sync it to my ipod.
> Because of the restore, my music wasn't coppied over.
> So I tried to sync my ipod to get my music back, only to be told that 
> my ipod couldn't be used because it required a newer version of 
> itunes.
> Now, for the mystery. My iphone 5, which is running the exact same 
> version of IOS as my ipod (when this started it was 9.3.1, and still 
> happens with 9.3.2), will sync just fine.
> i've tried everything I can think of to get this working, with no 
> success. I even downloaded the IPSW file for IOS9.3.1, put my ipod 
> into recovery mode and restored with that, no luck.
> Now, there is a newer version of itunes that'll work on xp, but I 
> don't like itunes 12, and because my phone will still sync fine, see 
> no real reason to update.
> Has anyone had this kind of thing happen to them? If so, what can I do 
> to get my music back onto my ipod? I've even tried various wifi file 
> sharing apps, but they all just keep the files inside themselves, 
> since apple won't allow us to copy music to the ipod's internal 
> library without itunes.
> Thanks in advance for any suggestions, this is super frustrating.
> 
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Re: Weird itunes mystery.

[rajmund]

hello,
Next idea, from someone who has no PC, is there a reset iTunes option in there, 
somewhere? Or remove everything iPod related, once it backs up, but before 
doing that, back up to iCloud?

Sent from my iPhone 5S

> On 20 May 2016, at 7:35 pm, Cheryl LeFurgey  wrote:
> 
> Well, i've just set up as a new ipod, and Itunes still won't see it.
> Am restoring back to yesterday's icloud backup now.
> Looks like i'm pretty much out of options, unless someone can think of
> something I haven't tried yet.
> At least I can still use the ipod for apps...
> 
>> On 5/20/16, rajmund  wrote:
>> Hello,
>> Before restoring, try it. If it doesn't, but it does after restoring, that
>> means you have to start from new. but, I think, it can't hurt to try it:
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone 5S
>> 
>>> On 20 May 2016, at 4:56 pm, Cheryl LeFurgey  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Also, wouldn't restoring my ipod from my icloud backup just put all
>>> the same information back on it, basically recreating the same
>>> problem?
>>> 
 On 5/20/16, Cheryl LeFurgey  wrote:
 I haven't tried setting up as new yet either, hmm.
 It's just so weird though, my phone has had zero issues.
 
> On 5/20/16, rajmund  wrote:
> Hello,
> backup iPod, set up as new, see if iTunes recognises, if so, restore?
> 
> Sent from my iPhone 5S
> 
>> On 20 May 2016, at 4:12 pm, Cheryl LeFurgey 
>> wrote:
>> 
>> no, I haven't called them, actually.
>> I don't know what help they could be though, because all they'd
>> probably do is tell me to update itunes which, since my phone is
>> syncing fine, I don't see the need to do right now.
>> 
>>> On 5/20/16, Richard Turner  wrote:
>>> Not to sound like a broken record, but have you called Apple
>>> Accessibility?
>>> 877-204-3930?
>>> Richard
>>> 
>>> 
>>> “The problem with people who have no vices is that generally you can
>>> be
>>> pretty sure they're going to have some pretty annoying virtues.”
>>> Elizabeth Taylor
>>> (Sent from my iPhone 5S)
>>> 
 On May 20, 2016, at 7:11 AM, Cheryl LeFurgey 
 wrote:
 
 Hi, everyone.
 First, before I get into what's going on, let me say that i'm using
 an
 ipod touch fifth gen, and that my computer is running windows xp and
 Itunes 11.4.
 Yes, I know, my OS is ancient, please don't tell me that.
 Now, on to the mystery.
 About a month ago, I downloaded an AudioBoom update, didn't like it,
 and tried to go back to the previous version.
 Unfortunately, I didn't have the right version on my computer, so I
 restored my ipod from an icloud backup in order to get my previous
 app
 back.
 The restore worked, eventually. The first few times it kept saying
 it
 couldn't copy some of my apps because they weren't available, but I
 was eventually able to complete a restore.
 I import all of my music from cds, using itunes to sync it to my
 ipod.
 Because of the restore, my music wasn't coppied over.
 So I tried to sync my ipod to get my music back, only to be told
 that
 my ipod couldn't be used because it required a newer version of
 itunes.
 Now, for the mystery. My iphone 5, which is running the exact same
 version of IOS as my ipod (when this started it was 9.3.1, and still
 happens with 9.3.2), will sync just fine.
 i've tried everything I can think of to get this working, with no
 success. I even downloaded the IPSW file for IOS9.3.1, put my ipod
 into recovery mode and restored with that, no luck.
 Now, there is a newer version of itunes that'll work on xp, but I
 don't like itunes 12, and because my phone will still sync fine, see
 no real reason to update.
 Has anyone had this kind of thing happen to them? If so, what can I
 do
 to get my music back onto my ipod? I've even tried various wifi file
 sharing apps, but they all just keep the files inside themselves,
 since apple won't allow us to copy music to the ipod's internal
 library without itunes.
 Thanks in advance for any suggestions, this is super frustrating.
 
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Re: Weird itunes mystery.

[Cheryl LeFurgey]

Well, i've just set up as a new ipod, and Itunes still won't see it.
Am restoring back to yesterday's icloud backup now.
Looks like i'm pretty much out of options, unless someone can think of
something I haven't tried yet.
At least I can still use the ipod for apps...

On 5/20/16, rajmund  wrote:
> Hello,
> Before restoring, try it. If it doesn't, but it does after restoring, that
> means you have to start from new. but, I think, it can't hurt to try it:
>
> Sent from my iPhone 5S
>
>> On 20 May 2016, at 4:56 pm, Cheryl LeFurgey  wrote:
>>
>> Also, wouldn't restoring my ipod from my icloud backup just put all
>> the same information back on it, basically recreating the same
>> problem?
>>
>>> On 5/20/16, Cheryl LeFurgey  wrote:
>>> I haven't tried setting up as new yet either, hmm.
>>> It's just so weird though, my phone has had zero issues.
>>>
 On 5/20/16, rajmund  wrote:
 Hello,
 backup iPod, set up as new, see if iTunes recognises, if so, restore?

 Sent from my iPhone 5S

> On 20 May 2016, at 4:12 pm, Cheryl LeFurgey 
> wrote:
>
> no, I haven't called them, actually.
> I don't know what help they could be though, because all they'd
> probably do is tell me to update itunes which, since my phone is
> syncing fine, I don't see the need to do right now.
>
>> On 5/20/16, Richard Turner  wrote:
>> Not to sound like a broken record, but have you called Apple
>> Accessibility?
>> 877-204-3930?
>> Richard
>>
>>
>> “The problem with people who have no vices is that generally you can
>> be
>> pretty sure they're going to have some pretty annoying virtues.”
>> Elizabeth Taylor
>> (Sent from my iPhone 5S)
>>
>>> On May 20, 2016, at 7:11 AM, Cheryl LeFurgey 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi, everyone.
>>> First, before I get into what's going on, let me say that i'm using
>>> an
>>> ipod touch fifth gen, and that my computer is running windows xp and
>>> Itunes 11.4.
>>> Yes, I know, my OS is ancient, please don't tell me that.
>>> Now, on to the mystery.
>>> About a month ago, I downloaded an AudioBoom update, didn't like it,
>>> and tried to go back to the previous version.
>>> Unfortunately, I didn't have the right version on my computer, so I
>>> restored my ipod from an icloud backup in order to get my previous
>>> app
>>> back.
>>> The restore worked, eventually. The first few times it kept saying
>>> it
>>> couldn't copy some of my apps because they weren't available, but I
>>> was eventually able to complete a restore.
>>> I import all of my music from cds, using itunes to sync it to my
>>> ipod.
>>> Because of the restore, my music wasn't coppied over.
>>> So I tried to sync my ipod to get my music back, only to be told
>>> that
>>> my ipod couldn't be used because it required a newer version of
>>> itunes.
>>> Now, for the mystery. My iphone 5, which is running the exact same
>>> version of IOS as my ipod (when this started it was 9.3.1, and still
>>> happens with 9.3.2), will sync just fine.
>>> i've tried everything I can think of to get this working, with no
>>> success. I even downloaded the IPSW file for IOS9.3.1, put my ipod
>>> into recovery mode and restored with that, no luck.
>>> Now, there is a newer version of itunes that'll work on xp, but I
>>> don't like itunes 12, and because my phone will still sync fine, see
>>> no real reason to update.
>>> Has anyone had this kind of thing happen to them? If so, what can I
>>> do
>>> to get my music back onto my ipod? I've even tried various wifi file
>>> sharing apps, but they all just keep the files inside themselves,
>>> since apple won't allow us to copy music to the ipod's internal
>>> library without itunes.
>>> Thanks in advance for any suggestions, this is super frustrating.
>>>
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Re: Weird itunes mystery.

[rajmund]

Hello,
Before restoring, try it. If it doesn't, but it does after restoring, that 
means you have to start from new. but, I think, it can't hurt to try it:

Sent from my iPhone 5S

> On 20 May 2016, at 4:56 pm, Cheryl LeFurgey  wrote:
> 
> Also, wouldn't restoring my ipod from my icloud backup just put all
> the same information back on it, basically recreating the same
> problem?
> 
>> On 5/20/16, Cheryl LeFurgey  wrote:
>> I haven't tried setting up as new yet either, hmm.
>> It's just so weird though, my phone has had zero issues.
>> 
>>> On 5/20/16, rajmund  wrote:
>>> Hello,
>>> backup iPod, set up as new, see if iTunes recognises, if so, restore?
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone 5S
>>> 
 On 20 May 2016, at 4:12 pm, Cheryl LeFurgey  wrote:
 
 no, I haven't called them, actually.
 I don't know what help they could be though, because all they'd
 probably do is tell me to update itunes which, since my phone is
 syncing fine, I don't see the need to do right now.
 
> On 5/20/16, Richard Turner  wrote:
> Not to sound like a broken record, but have you called Apple
> Accessibility?
> 877-204-3930?
> Richard
> 
> 
> “The problem with people who have no vices is that generally you can be
> pretty sure they're going to have some pretty annoying virtues.”
> Elizabeth Taylor
> (Sent from my iPhone 5S)
> 
>> On May 20, 2016, at 7:11 AM, Cheryl LeFurgey 
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi, everyone.
>> First, before I get into what's going on, let me say that i'm using an
>> ipod touch fifth gen, and that my computer is running windows xp and
>> Itunes 11.4.
>> Yes, I know, my OS is ancient, please don't tell me that.
>> Now, on to the mystery.
>> About a month ago, I downloaded an AudioBoom update, didn't like it,
>> and tried to go back to the previous version.
>> Unfortunately, I didn't have the right version on my computer, so I
>> restored my ipod from an icloud backup in order to get my previous app
>> back.
>> The restore worked, eventually. The first few times it kept saying it
>> couldn't copy some of my apps because they weren't available, but I
>> was eventually able to complete a restore.
>> I import all of my music from cds, using itunes to sync it to my ipod.
>> Because of the restore, my music wasn't coppied over.
>> So I tried to sync my ipod to get my music back, only to be told that
>> my ipod couldn't be used because it required a newer version of
>> itunes.
>> Now, for the mystery. My iphone 5, which is running the exact same
>> version of IOS as my ipod (when this started it was 9.3.1, and still
>> happens with 9.3.2), will sync just fine.
>> i've tried everything I can think of to get this working, with no
>> success. I even downloaded the IPSW file for IOS9.3.1, put my ipod
>> into recovery mode and restored with that, no luck.
>> Now, there is a newer version of itunes that'll work on xp, but I
>> don't like itunes 12, and because my phone will still sync fine, see
>> no real reason to update.
>> Has anyone had this kind of thing happen to them? If so, what can I do
>> to get my music back onto my ipod? I've even tried various wifi file
>> sharing apps, but they all just keep the files inside themselves,
>> since apple won't allow us to copy music to the ipod's internal
>> library without itunes.
>> Thanks in advance for any suggestions, this is super frustrating.
>> 
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Re: Weird itunes mystery.

[Cheryl LeFurgey]

Also, wouldn't restoring my ipod from my icloud backup just put all
the same information back on it, basically recreating the same
problem?

On 5/20/16, Cheryl LeFurgey  wrote:
> I haven't tried setting up as new yet either, hmm.
> It's just so weird though, my phone has had zero issues.
>
> On 5/20/16, rajmund  wrote:
>> Hello,
>> backup iPod, set up as new, see if iTunes recognises, if so, restore?
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone 5S
>>
>>> On 20 May 2016, at 4:12 pm, Cheryl LeFurgey  wrote:
>>>
>>> no, I haven't called them, actually.
>>> I don't know what help they could be though, because all they'd
>>> probably do is tell me to update itunes which, since my phone is
>>> syncing fine, I don't see the need to do right now.
>>>
 On 5/20/16, Richard Turner  wrote:
 Not to sound like a broken record, but have you called Apple
 Accessibility?
 877-204-3930?
 Richard


 “The problem with people who have no vices is that generally you can be
 pretty sure they're going to have some pretty annoying virtues.”
 Elizabeth Taylor
 (Sent from my iPhone 5S)

> On May 20, 2016, at 7:11 AM, Cheryl LeFurgey 
> wrote:
>
> Hi, everyone.
> First, before I get into what's going on, let me say that i'm using an
> ipod touch fifth gen, and that my computer is running windows xp and
> Itunes 11.4.
> Yes, I know, my OS is ancient, please don't tell me that.
> Now, on to the mystery.
> About a month ago, I downloaded an AudioBoom update, didn't like it,
> and tried to go back to the previous version.
> Unfortunately, I didn't have the right version on my computer, so I
> restored my ipod from an icloud backup in order to get my previous app
> back.
> The restore worked, eventually. The first few times it kept saying it
> couldn't copy some of my apps because they weren't available, but I
> was eventually able to complete a restore.
> I import all of my music from cds, using itunes to sync it to my ipod.
> Because of the restore, my music wasn't coppied over.
> So I tried to sync my ipod to get my music back, only to be told that
> my ipod couldn't be used because it required a newer version of
> itunes.
> Now, for the mystery. My iphone 5, which is running the exact same
> version of IOS as my ipod (when this started it was 9.3.1, and still
> happens with 9.3.2), will sync just fine.
> i've tried everything I can think of to get this working, with no
> success. I even downloaded the IPSW file for IOS9.3.1, put my ipod
> into recovery mode and restored with that, no luck.
> Now, there is a newer version of itunes that'll work on xp, but I
> don't like itunes 12, and because my phone will still sync fine, see
> no real reason to update.
> Has anyone had this kind of thing happen to them? If so, what can I do
> to get my music back onto my ipod? I've even tried various wifi file
> sharing apps, but they all just keep the files inside themselves,
> since apple won't allow us to copy music to the ipod's internal
> library without itunes.
> Thanks in advance for any suggestions, this is super frustrating.
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Re: Weird itunes mystery.

[Cheryl LeFurgey]

I haven't tried setting up as new yet either, hmm.
It's just so weird though, my phone has had zero issues.

On 5/20/16, rajmund  wrote:
> Hello,
> backup iPod, set up as new, see if iTunes recognises, if so, restore?
>
> Sent from my iPhone 5S
>
>> On 20 May 2016, at 4:12 pm, Cheryl LeFurgey  wrote:
>>
>> no, I haven't called them, actually.
>> I don't know what help they could be though, because all they'd
>> probably do is tell me to update itunes which, since my phone is
>> syncing fine, I don't see the need to do right now.
>>
>>> On 5/20/16, Richard Turner  wrote:
>>> Not to sound like a broken record, but have you called Apple
>>> Accessibility?
>>> 877-204-3930?
>>> Richard
>>>
>>>
>>> “The problem with people who have no vices is that generally you can be
>>> pretty sure they're going to have some pretty annoying virtues.”
>>> Elizabeth Taylor
>>> (Sent from my iPhone 5S)
>>>
 On May 20, 2016, at 7:11 AM, Cheryl LeFurgey 
 wrote:

 Hi, everyone.
 First, before I get into what's going on, let me say that i'm using an
 ipod touch fifth gen, and that my computer is running windows xp and
 Itunes 11.4.
 Yes, I know, my OS is ancient, please don't tell me that.
 Now, on to the mystery.
 About a month ago, I downloaded an AudioBoom update, didn't like it,
 and tried to go back to the previous version.
 Unfortunately, I didn't have the right version on my computer, so I
 restored my ipod from an icloud backup in order to get my previous app
 back.
 The restore worked, eventually. The first few times it kept saying it
 couldn't copy some of my apps because they weren't available, but I
 was eventually able to complete a restore.
 I import all of my music from cds, using itunes to sync it to my ipod.
 Because of the restore, my music wasn't coppied over.
 So I tried to sync my ipod to get my music back, only to be told that
 my ipod couldn't be used because it required a newer version of
 itunes.
 Now, for the mystery. My iphone 5, which is running the exact same
 version of IOS as my ipod (when this started it was 9.3.1, and still
 happens with 9.3.2), will sync just fine.
 i've tried everything I can think of to get this working, with no
 success. I even downloaded the IPSW file for IOS9.3.1, put my ipod
 into recovery mode and restored with that, no luck.
 Now, there is a newer version of itunes that'll work on xp, but I
 don't like itunes 12, and because my phone will still sync fine, see
 no real reason to update.
 Has anyone had this kind of thing happen to them? If so, what can I do
 to get my music back onto my ipod? I've even tried various wifi file
 sharing apps, but they all just keep the files inside themselves,
 since apple won't allow us to copy music to the ipod's internal
 library without itunes.
 Thanks in advance for any suggestions, this is super frustrating.

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Re: Weird itunes mystery.

[rajmund]

Hello,
backup iPod, set up as new, see if iTunes recognises, if so, restore?

Sent from my iPhone 5S

> On 20 May 2016, at 4:12 pm, Cheryl LeFurgey  wrote:
> 
> no, I haven't called them, actually.
> I don't know what help they could be though, because all they'd
> probably do is tell me to update itunes which, since my phone is
> syncing fine, I don't see the need to do right now.
> 
>> On 5/20/16, Richard Turner  wrote:
>> Not to sound like a broken record, but have you called Apple Accessibility?
>> 877-204-3930?
>> Richard
>> 
>> 
>> “The problem with people who have no vices is that generally you can be
>> pretty sure they're going to have some pretty annoying virtues.”
>> Elizabeth Taylor
>> (Sent from my iPhone 5S)
>> 
>>> On May 20, 2016, at 7:11 AM, Cheryl LeFurgey  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi, everyone.
>>> First, before I get into what's going on, let me say that i'm using an
>>> ipod touch fifth gen, and that my computer is running windows xp and
>>> Itunes 11.4.
>>> Yes, I know, my OS is ancient, please don't tell me that.
>>> Now, on to the mystery.
>>> About a month ago, I downloaded an AudioBoom update, didn't like it,
>>> and tried to go back to the previous version.
>>> Unfortunately, I didn't have the right version on my computer, so I
>>> restored my ipod from an icloud backup in order to get my previous app
>>> back.
>>> The restore worked, eventually. The first few times it kept saying it
>>> couldn't copy some of my apps because they weren't available, but I
>>> was eventually able to complete a restore.
>>> I import all of my music from cds, using itunes to sync it to my ipod.
>>> Because of the restore, my music wasn't coppied over.
>>> So I tried to sync my ipod to get my music back, only to be told that
>>> my ipod couldn't be used because it required a newer version of
>>> itunes.
>>> Now, for the mystery. My iphone 5, which is running the exact same
>>> version of IOS as my ipod (when this started it was 9.3.1, and still
>>> happens with 9.3.2), will sync just fine.
>>> i've tried everything I can think of to get this working, with no
>>> success. I even downloaded the IPSW file for IOS9.3.1, put my ipod
>>> into recovery mode and restored with that, no luck.
>>> Now, there is a newer version of itunes that'll work on xp, but I
>>> don't like itunes 12, and because my phone will still sync fine, see
>>> no real reason to update.
>>> Has anyone had this kind of thing happen to them? If so, what can I do
>>> to get my music back onto my ipod? I've even tried various wifi file
>>> sharing apps, but they all just keep the files inside themselves,
>>> since apple won't allow us to copy music to the ipod's internal
>>> library without itunes.
>>> Thanks in advance for any suggestions, this is super frustrating.
>>> 
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Re: Weird itunes mystery.

[Cheryl LeFurgey]

no, I haven't called them, actually.
I don't know what help they could be though, because all they'd
probably do is tell me to update itunes which, since my phone is
syncing fine, I don't see the need to do right now.

On 5/20/16, Richard Turner  wrote:
> Not to sound like a broken record, but have you called Apple Accessibility?
> 877-204-3930?
> Richard
>
>
> “The problem with people who have no vices is that generally you can be
> pretty sure they're going to have some pretty annoying virtues.”
> Elizabeth Taylor
> (Sent from my iPhone 5S)
>
>> On May 20, 2016, at 7:11 AM, Cheryl LeFurgey  wrote:
>>
>> Hi, everyone.
>> First, before I get into what's going on, let me say that i'm using an
>> ipod touch fifth gen, and that my computer is running windows xp and
>> Itunes 11.4.
>> Yes, I know, my OS is ancient, please don't tell me that.
>> Now, on to the mystery.
>> About a month ago, I downloaded an AudioBoom update, didn't like it,
>> and tried to go back to the previous version.
>> Unfortunately, I didn't have the right version on my computer, so I
>> restored my ipod from an icloud backup in order to get my previous app
>> back.
>> The restore worked, eventually. The first few times it kept saying it
>> couldn't copy some of my apps because they weren't available, but I
>> was eventually able to complete a restore.
>> I import all of my music from cds, using itunes to sync it to my ipod.
>> Because of the restore, my music wasn't coppied over.
>> So I tried to sync my ipod to get my music back, only to be told that
>> my ipod couldn't be used because it required a newer version of
>> itunes.
>> Now, for the mystery. My iphone 5, which is running the exact same
>> version of IOS as my ipod (when this started it was 9.3.1, and still
>> happens with 9.3.2), will sync just fine.
>> i've tried everything I can think of to get this working, with no
>> success. I even downloaded the IPSW file for IOS9.3.1, put my ipod
>> into recovery mode and restored with that, no luck.
>> Now, there is a newer version of itunes that'll work on xp, but I
>> don't like itunes 12, and because my phone will still sync fine, see
>> no real reason to update.
>> Has anyone had this kind of thing happen to them? If so, what can I do
>> to get my music back onto my ipod? I've even tried various wifi file
>> sharing apps, but they all just keep the files inside themselves,
>> since apple won't allow us to copy music to the ipod's internal
>> library without itunes.
>> Thanks in advance for any suggestions, this is super frustrating.
>>
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Re: Weird itunes mystery.

[Richard Turner]

Not to sound like a broken record, but have you called Apple Accessibility?
877-204-3930?
Richard
 
 
“The problem with people who have no vices is that generally you can be pretty 
sure they're going to have some pretty annoying virtues.”
Elizabeth Taylor
(Sent from my iPhone 5S)

> On May 20, 2016, at 7:11 AM, Cheryl LeFurgey  wrote:
> 
> Hi, everyone.
> First, before I get into what's going on, let me say that i'm using an
> ipod touch fifth gen, and that my computer is running windows xp and
> Itunes 11.4.
> Yes, I know, my OS is ancient, please don't tell me that.
> Now, on to the mystery.
> About a month ago, I downloaded an AudioBoom update, didn't like it,
> and tried to go back to the previous version.
> Unfortunately, I didn't have the right version on my computer, so I
> restored my ipod from an icloud backup in order to get my previous app
> back.
> The restore worked, eventually. The first few times it kept saying it
> couldn't copy some of my apps because they weren't available, but I
> was eventually able to complete a restore.
> I import all of my music from cds, using itunes to sync it to my ipod.
> Because of the restore, my music wasn't coppied over.
> So I tried to sync my ipod to get my music back, only to be told that
> my ipod couldn't be used because it required a newer version of
> itunes.
> Now, for the mystery. My iphone 5, which is running the exact same
> version of IOS as my ipod (when this started it was 9.3.1, and still
> happens with 9.3.2), will sync just fine.
> i've tried everything I can think of to get this working, with no
> success. I even downloaded the IPSW file for IOS9.3.1, put my ipod
> into recovery mode and restored with that, no luck.
> Now, there is a newer version of itunes that'll work on xp, but I
> don't like itunes 12, and because my phone will still sync fine, see
> no real reason to update.
> Has anyone had this kind of thing happen to them? If so, what can I do
> to get my music back onto my ipod? I've even tried various wifi file
> sharing apps, but they all just keep the files inside themselves,
> since apple won't allow us to copy music to the ipod's internal
> library without itunes.
> Thanks in advance for any suggestions, this is super frustrating.
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Re: Weird itunes mystery.

[Cheryl LeFurgey]

I don't know, because when I connect my ipod to itunes it immediately
pops up the message about not being able to use the ipod because it
requires a newer version of itunes.
When I cancel out of the message, my ipod isn't even listed under
sources, so it's like itunes doesn't even see it.

On 5/20/16, Kimber Gardner  wrote:
> Is the music still in the iTunes library but it just won't sync to the
> iPod? If you were to rip a CD, one that isn't in the "old" library of
> music, would that one sync to the device?
>
> Kimber
>
> On 5/20/16, Cheryl LeFurgey  wrote:
>> Hi, everyone.
>> First, before I get into what's going on, let me say that i'm using an
>> ipod touch fifth gen, and that my computer is running windows xp and
>> Itunes 11.4.
>> Yes, I know, my OS is ancient, please don't tell me that.
>> Now, on to the mystery.
>> About a month ago, I downloaded an AudioBoom update, didn't like it,
>> and tried to go back to the previous version.
>> Unfortunately, I didn't have the right version on my computer, so I
>> restored my ipod from an icloud backup in order to get my previous app
>> back.
>> The restore worked, eventually. The first few times it kept saying it
>> couldn't copy some of my apps because they weren't available, but I
>> was eventually able to complete a restore.
>> I import all of my music from cds, using itunes to sync it to my ipod.
>> Because of the restore, my music wasn't coppied over.
>> So I tried to sync my ipod to get my music back, only to be told that
>> my ipod couldn't be used because it required a newer version of
>> itunes.
>> Now, for the mystery. My iphone 5, which is running the exact same
>> version of IOS as my ipod (when this started it was 9.3.1, and still
>> happens with 9.3.2), will sync just fine.
>> i've tried everything I can think of to get this working, with no
>> success. I even downloaded the IPSW file for IOS9.3.1, put my ipod
>> into recovery mode and restored with that, no luck.
>> Now, there is a newer version of itunes that'll work on xp, but I
>> don't like itunes 12, and because my phone will still sync fine, see
>> no real reason to update.
>> Has anyone had this kind of thing happen to them? If so, what can I do
>> to get my music back onto my ipod? I've even tried various wifi file
>> sharing apps, but they all just keep the files inside themselves,
>> since apple won't allow us to copy music to the ipod's internal
>> library without itunes.
>> Thanks in advance for any suggestions, this is super frustrating.
>>
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Re: Weird itunes mystery.

[Kimber Gardner]

Is the music still in the iTunes library but it just won't sync to the
iPod? If you were to rip a CD, one that isn't in the "old" library of
music, would that one sync to the device?

Kimber

On 5/20/16, Cheryl LeFurgey  wrote:
> Hi, everyone.
> First, before I get into what's going on, let me say that i'm using an
> ipod touch fifth gen, and that my computer is running windows xp and
> Itunes 11.4.
> Yes, I know, my OS is ancient, please don't tell me that.
> Now, on to the mystery.
> About a month ago, I downloaded an AudioBoom update, didn't like it,
> and tried to go back to the previous version.
> Unfortunately, I didn't have the right version on my computer, so I
> restored my ipod from an icloud backup in order to get my previous app
> back.
> The restore worked, eventually. The first few times it kept saying it
> couldn't copy some of my apps because they weren't available, but I
> was eventually able to complete a restore.
> I import all of my music from cds, using itunes to sync it to my ipod.
> Because of the restore, my music wasn't coppied over.
> So I tried to sync my ipod to get my music back, only to be told that
> my ipod couldn't be used because it required a newer version of
> itunes.
> Now, for the mystery. My iphone 5, which is running the exact same
> version of IOS as my ipod (when this started it was 9.3.1, and still
> happens with 9.3.2), will sync just fine.
> i've tried everything I can think of to get this working, with no
> success. I even downloaded the IPSW file for IOS9.3.1, put my ipod
> into recovery mode and restored with that, no luck.
> Now, there is a newer version of itunes that'll work on xp, but I
> don't like itunes 12, and because my phone will still sync fine, see
> no real reason to update.
> Has anyone had this kind of thing happen to them? If so, what can I do
> to get my music back onto my ipod? I've even tried various wifi file
> sharing apps, but they all just keep the files inside themselves,
> since apple won't allow us to copy music to the ipod's internal
> library without itunes.
> Thanks in advance for any suggestions, this is super frustrating.
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