Simple to fix. Just paint a big E-CAT logo on the side of the container
and on each module. ;)
AG
On 11/11/2011 5:56 PM, peter.heck...@arcor.de wrote:
http://www.ni.com/legal/trademarks/
Rules for usage, excerpt:
# Do not display any NI Trademark more prominently than your own trademarks,
Regarding:
The Big Lie Technique of Scammers, Courtesy of Adolf Hitler
http://blog.newenergytimes.com/2011/11/10/the-big-lie-technique-of-scammers-
courtesy-of-adolf-hitler/
In regards to the pursuit of scientific investigation, personally I think
the late author Jacob Bronowski said it
Rossi can write Ni powdered and NI powered whichever he prefers. ;-)
Now seriously unless the statement below is fake, which is unlikely,
the article must be taken for what it says: NI and Rossi have made a
deal.
On November 10, 2011 4:39 PM [MST], regarding the above story, I
received the
On November 10, 2011 4:39 PM [MST], regarding the above story, I received
the following from Trisha McDonell | Corporate PR Manager | National
Instruments.
Subject: Re: final Re: contact info for E-Cat / NI contract
Thank you Sterling for allowing us to review. We approve the text,
especially
2011/11/11 Michele Comitini michele.comit...@gmail.com
Rossi can write Ni powdered and NI powered whichever he prefers. ;-)
Now seriously unless the statement below is fake, which is unlikely,
the article must be taken for what it says: NI and Rossi have made a
deal.
Or better: Rossi
Probably they know Rossi from earlier projects.
National Instruments is an US company, operating worldwide and have without
doubt italian filiales.
Their Name starts with N.
They need a lot of hot water in semiconductor and PCB board production.
Without doubt they employ engineers in Italia,
On 2011-11-11 00:53, Akira Shirakawa wrote:
Today, Leonardo Corporation, led by Andrea Rossi, inventor and
developer of the one-megawatt cold fusion E-Cat plant, signed an
agreement with National Instruments (NI)
By the way, Daniele Passerini (22passi) knew about this partnership
since last
Do you know whether or Daniele knows who is the secret customer? In case
you don't know, can you ask him?
2011/11/11 Akira Shirakawa shirakawa.ak...@gmail.com
On 2011-11-11 00:53, Akira Shirakawa wrote:
Today, Leonardo Corporation, led by Andrea Rossi, inventor and
developer of the
On 2011-11-11 10:59, Daniel Rocha wrote:
Do you know whether or Daniele knows who is the secret customer? In case
you don't know, can you ask him?
I think Daniele knows (quotes about a customer that cannot be fooled
were from him) but he is definitely not going to reveal who it is before
Higgins Bob-CBH003 bob.higg...@motorolasolutions.com wrote:
One of the reasons that Rossi may not wish to run a very long
test is that
I suspect that HE is the control mechanism. When it is run
in self-sustaining mode, after some period it will need to be
briefly reheated to stabilize
Rossi has stated each E-Cat module has it own control system. There are
2 wires / cables connected to each module in addition to a earth wire
plus the 2 heater power wires. I doubt the 2 non heater power wires are
there for show. Additionally it has been disclosed that Rossi and NI
have been
On Fri, Nov 11, 2011 at 12:41 AM, Robert Leguillon
robert.leguil...@hotmail.com wrote:
Statement only slightly more ridiculous:
The most energetic thing that they could put inside is a fission reactor.
No, the most energetic thing you could put inside is a fusion reactor.
Oh, wait! They
David Roberson wrote:
You answer is clearly indicated by the temperature readings at T2.
This was very constant.
Yes, of course. It has to be very constant. The pressure did not change,
so the steam temperature did not change. When heat increased, more steam
was generated, but the
David Roberson wrote:
Jed, I am waiting for Mary to give an example. It is not your question.
Just in case someone were to scam your experiment, you have to realize
that there are no limits on what is acceptable. You would not be able
to set up the final experiment since that is part of the
peter.heck...@arcor.de wrote:
This means, if Rossi has no trademark, he cannot use the NI Trademark.
He must get an own Trademark first.
That is easy. Anyone can get a trademark for around $300 in the U.S.
- Jed
/snip/
Additionally it has been disclosed that Rossi and NI have been working
together for some time as well as the fact that Rossi had 107 modules working
in parallel for 5.5 hours and maintained a very good regulation on the heat
output.
/snip/
Statements from NI do not indicate that they
About N.I. involment this is what Daniele reports on 22passi:
Questa primavera National Instrument aveva chiesto silenzio sulla sua
disponibilità a sponsorizzare l'E-Cat di Rossi, ritenendo ancora
troppo controversa la sua invenzione. Ergo, se National Instrument è
uscita allo scoperto adesso,
Vorl Bek wrote:
This is what Rossi has said on many occasions. He says he cannot
leave the thing, especially in self-sustaining mode.
The idea that Rossi would do an unconvincing demo because he
needed to empty his bladder or get some sleep, and could not
delegate control for a while, makes
Michele Comitini michele.comit...@gmail.com wrote:
Ergo, se National Instrument è
uscita allo scoperto adesso, significa che anche loro hanno escluso
l'ipotesi (campata in aria) della bufala.
Ergo, if Nat. Instr. came out now, it
means that they too excluded the (too far fetched) hoax
Jed, there is a point when it is good for a company to be seen to be at the
forefront of a new technological movement. Maybe they have reached a
comfort level about the E-Cat now.where they can publicly say they are on
board with Rossi. If and when widespread validation comes NI will be in a
good
In the PESN postscript, it is quite obvious that NI is distancing itself from
any conclusions on authenticity. I added emphasis with the below:
PESN Postscript
On November 10, 2011 4:39 PM [MST], regarding the above story, I received the
following from Trisha McDonell | Corporate PR Manager |
Vorl Bek wrote:
This is what Rossi has said on many occasions. He says he
cannot leave the thing, especially in self-sustaining mode.
The idea that Rossi would do an unconvincing demo because he
needed to empty his bladder or get some sleep, and could not
delegate control for a
I already have seen Labview on his Laptop.
This is a very efficient control system (made by NI)
Am 11.11.2011 01:18, schrieb David Roberson:
This is excellent news, and the ECAT will improve rapidly as a result
of this association. The lack of an adequate control system has
hampered every
Am 11.11.2011 16:06, schrieb Michele Comitini:
About N.I. involment this is what Daniele reports on 22passi:
Questa primavera National Instrument aveva chiesto silenzio sulla sua
disponibilità a sponsorizzare l'E-Cat di Rossi, ritenendo ancora
troppo controversa la sua invenzione. Ergo, se
Any scam must obey the laws of physics.
Oh yes. But you don't necessarily know which laws are used to deceive you.
All propositions and assertions in a scientific debate must be subject to
testing and must be falsifiable, at least in principle. Asserting that
somewhere, someone might
On Fri, Nov 11, 2011 at 10:06 AM, Michele Comitini
michele.comit...@gmail.com wrote:
About N.I. involment this is what Daniele reports on 22passi:
Questa primavera National Instrument aveva chiesto silenzio sulla sua
disponibilità a sponsorizzare l'E-Cat di Rossi, ritenendo ancora
troppo
Mary, you seem to love to find ways to scam scientific tests or do magic
tricks or whatever. Let me ask you a question. Can you name one
scientific experiment that is impossible to scam from the past? I tried
and can not come up with one, so give it a try. There are many ways to
suggest a
If NI is the secret confidential customer, then it would be a bad
violation of confidentiality to spread these rumors.
So in any case this are bad news, true, or not true.
Only believe what NI says.
It was visible in earlier videos that Rossi has NI Labview on his computer.
This doesnt mean too
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Minor_Scale
You are making excellent points Jed. By the way, has anyone heard any peeps
out of Mr. Parks lately? I bet he and a lot of his cohorts are keeping a low
profile. ;-)
Dave
-Original Message-
From: Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com
To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Fri, Nov
I think there is a consensus that Rossi was the control mechanism for his
earlier devices. If this is the situation, he will not be able to leave
for any extended length of time. The self sustaining mode, if that is what
they witnessed, will require careful control if operated for very long.
By the way, has anyone heard any peeps out of Mr. Parks lately? I bet he
and a lot of his cohorts are keeping a low profile. ;-)
Why would anyone keep a low profile because of Rossi?
Yeah, they're bored and jaded, resting while the contagion of delusion runs
its feverish course -- myself, I find it all most interesting, like a
pyramid or Ponzi scheme or a financial bubble...
Rich Murray
On Fri, Nov 11, 2011 at 9:22 AM, David Roberson dlrober...@aol.com wrote:
You are
/snip/
Additionally it has been disclosed that Rossi and NI have been working
together for some time as well as the fact that Rossi had 107 modules
working in parallel for 5.5 hours and maintained a very good regulation on
the heat output.
/snip/
The reactivity of Rossi's reactor is directly
At 08:54 AM 11/11/2011, Mary Yugo wrote:
To sum up, the problem with Rossi's story is that there are too many
things that don't hang together. The short runs,
Lewan called the end of the first self-sustaining experiment. Oct 6
was also done to a timetable, allowing for weighing at the
OK Mary, you are correct in realizing that Rossi could be attempting a fake.
Many of his supporters have reviewed the sparse data supplied during his
demonstrations and have convinced ourselves that it is real. I am confident
that we are seeing a real LENR device. Rossi succeeded in
Well, if I had been so confident that cold fusion or LENR or what ever you want
to call it is impossible, I would feel quite foolish at the moment. He spent
many years of his career making fun of the serious researchers operating within
the field.
I suspect that the damage to the world
Stay tuned for act two.
Dave
-Original Message-
From: Rich Murray rmfor...@gmail.com
To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com; Rich Murray rmfor...@gmail.com; Rich
Murray rmfor...@comcast.net
Sent: Fri, Nov 11, 2011 12:32 pm
Subject: Re: [Vo]:National Instruments signs to do E-Cat controls
Both Levi and Lewan were given a second-shot at testing.
Do you mean Levi was given a chance to repeat and record properly his long
high power experiment and refused? If so, WHY?!?!
| With the possible exception of the Oct 6 run, all of the investigators
(not Krivit -- that was a
OK Mary, you are correct in realizing that Rossi could be attempting a
fake. Many of his supporters have reviewed the sparse data supplied during
his demonstrations and have convinced ourselves that it is real. I am
confident that we are seeing a real LENR device.
I'm happy for you, David,
On 11-11-11 09:07 AM, Jed Rothwell wrote:
David Roberson wrote:
You answer is clearly indicated by the temperature readings at T2.
This was very constant.
Yes, of course. It has to be very constant. The pressure did not
change, so the steam temperature did not change.
This again!
For
You can't have it both ways. Either the steam is dry (complete
vaporization), in which case the temperature and pressure of the effluent
are independent, or it's not. Your assertion that the output temperature
depends directly on the pressure is a tacit statement that it's not
producing dry
Well, if I had been so confident that cold fusion or LENR or what ever you
want to call it is impossible, I would feel quite foolish at the moment.
He spent many years of his career making fun of the serious researchers
operating within the field.
I'm not sure who will end up looking foolish
Hey, guys and gals, listen to Steven A. Lawrence...
“Many of his supporters have reviewed the sparse data supplied during his
demonstrations and have convinced ourselves that it is real.”
There are different levels of SCAM that Rossi can be perpetrating. The one
level that I think currently applies to Rossi is the ability of his reactor
to
Faking experiments is beginning to become boring so let's call it a day. That
is the game I made reference to.
Dave
-Original Message-
From: Mary Yugo maryyu...@gmail.com
To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Fri, Nov 11, 2011 1:16 pm
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Physorg comments : new Krivit
Mary Yugo wrote:
If there is no way you or any of us can know anything at all about
this method that you imagine might exist somewhere in the
universe, how can you expect us to evaluate it?
The way I said many times. You can falsify the premise that Rossi is
scamming easily
Daniel Rocha wrote:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Minor_Scale
An interesting example.
This was a conventional explosion that simulated a 4.8 kt nuclear
explosion. A person observing this from a distance might have difficulty
determining whether it is nuclear or chemical. Of course if you
David Roberson wrote:
The output check valve operates by opening further as the pressure
increases across it. It will not open any additional amount unless
there is a finite pressure applied. There are several reasons for the
ECAT internal pressure to rise.
Yes, I realize that reactor
oh oh. This is not the proof we wanted :)
http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/mystery-radiation-detected-europe/story?id=14932064#.Tr1zdcNFunA
On Fri, Nov 11, 2011 at 2:09 PM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote:
Daniel Rocha wrote:
Stephen A. Lawrence wrote:
In case anybody hasn't gotten it, let me repeat it: The rate of mass
flow *out* of the device is fixed by the *pump* *rate*, not by the
power level.
Only if the vessel is full to overflowing. If the water level is below
the top, then it acts like a pot on the
This is a completely different subject. Please do not mix up unrelated
topics. I asked how a person can test or falsify *your* assertion about
stage magic. I did not ask how Rossi can falsify his claims.
If you will not cite a specific stage magic technique, there is no way
anyone can
Call this a CYA memo if you will, but I would like to grant that there is
one part of the October 6 test that could allow fraud. The 2 power meters
might be fake. I do not know where they came from. It is conceivable that
Rossi took 2 genuine power meters and changed out the electronics. I do not
Humor us a little longer. You need us to keep from getting bored.
Dave
On 11-11-11 09:07 AM, Jed Rothwell wrote:
David Roberson wrote:
You answer is clearly indicated by the temperature readings at T2.
This was very constant.
Yes, of course. It has to be very constant. The pressure did
Mary raised the interesting point that NI will sell to anyone (even
Iran or Qadaffi, when legal).
But NI is less likely to negotiate a contract apparently _requiring_
that the NI name appear on the control
panel with just anyone.
As a scientist in a former life, I bought NI hardware and software
Faking experiments is beginning to become boring so let's call it a day.
That is the game I made reference to.
Sorry if it bores you. The possibility that everything Rossi has shown is
fake and that all the people who have endorsed it are being flummoxed is
fascinating to me. So much of life,
At 07:16 AM 11/10/2011, Jed Rothwell wrote:
http://lenr-canr.org/RossiData/Higgins%20Oct%206%2027kWreactorDiagram4.png
Do we have any agreement on the volume of the REACTOR (excluding
fins).
Lewan gives the total volume as 50 x 60 x 35
Lewan says the reactor is 30 x 30 x 30 -- Including fins
The total heat contained within the mixture of water and vapor entered the heat
exchanger. The output of the exchanger was plain old fashioned cool water.
The heat was extracted to the cooling water flow.
The issue of vapor versus liquid did not remain.
Unfortunately, some of us disagree
The deal with Rossi sounds much more like an OEM contract, and they are
very
likely to have done some diligence on it. Just the risk of adverse PR
(which they are already experiencing,
I suspect) would require a reasonable return on the cost of the perceived
risk.
What due diligence do you
Well, if I had been so confident that cold fusion or LENR or what ever you want
to call it is impossible, I would feel quite foolish at the moment. He spent
many years of his career making fun of the serious researchers operating within
the field.
I'm not sure who will end up looking
Mary Yugo wrote:
Claim: Rossi may be faking this -- I don't know how.
Falsification: Someone independent and credible tested the device and
determined by this method (yadadada) it's real and not fake.
Right. Exactly. And in my opinion Rossi did this on Oct. 6. I think he
provided
The total heat contained within the mixture of water and vapor entered the
heat exchanger. The output of the exchanger was plain old fashioned cool
water. The heat was extracted to the cooling water flow.
The issue of vapor versus liquid did not remain.
Yup-- that was true October 6 but on
To prevent federal funds from being spent on research is going to
slow down the research. Do you not agree?
Yes. That's a pity. But it's sort of circular. If the evidence was
convincing, the funds would be there. You have to start somewhere. And
before we start on it, I don't know
On 11-11-11 02:19 PM, Jed Rothwell wrote:
Stephen A. Lawrence wrote:
In case anybody hasn't gotten it, let me repeat it: The rate of mass
flow *out* of the device is fixed by the *pump* *rate*, not by the
power level.
Only if the vessel is full to overflowing.
The correct statement
Mary Yugo maryyu...@gmail.com wrote:
If they suspected it is fraud they would be crazy to allow that press
release. They would issue a strong denial instead.
Most people who have not followed the progress of this story carefully
from the start have no reason to suspect a fraud. I think NI
On 11-11-10 09:49 PM, Mary Yugo wrote:
Does anyone seriously doubt that if Fioravanti is telling the truth, there
can be any doubt the 1 MW reactor is real? Are you seriously suggesting
that a measurement using standard industrial techniques, performed by an
expert, showing 66 kWh input and
Here is my point. if you do not know how he might be cheating, then it
is not logical for you to propose this as a hypothesis to be debated here.
You can say it is your gut feeling he is cheating. That's fine. That's an
informal judgment. We welcome that here. But let us not confuse a gut
I doubt that. In my experience, large corporations do not authorize press
releases without checking things out carefully. Anyone can do a Google
search and find out in a few seconds that Rossi is very controversial. I do
not think it is likely that the public relations department at National
I like that expression jumping the shark. Does it mean the same as
screwing the pooch?
It means the voice entry system has added its own improvement to the
original statement.
An obvious guess is that the shark was supposed to be something a train
rides on.
Too bad. It was fun the
Mary Yugo maryyu...@gmail.com wrote:
I am not aware of a formal policy to not patent any cold fusion related
technology and I strongly suspect it doesn't exist.
It does exist. It has been in force since June 5, 1989.
Everyone who works in cold fusion knows this. When you apply for any cold
From: Jeff Sutton
This is not the proof we wanted :)
http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/mystery-radiation-detected-europe/story?id=149
32064#.Tr1zdcNFunA
http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/mystery-radiation-detected-europe/story?id=14
932064
This story involves the release of iodine-131, apparently
Mary Yugo maryyu...@gmail.com wrote:
I do not think it is likely that the public relations department at
National Instruments has not even bothered to do a Google search and they
have no idea whether Rossi's machines do what he says they do.
So exactly what do you think NI did and why? A
At 05:36 PM 11/10/2011, Alan J Fletcher wrote:
I've updated http://lenr.qumbu.com/rossi_ecat_oct11_spice.php to
reflect a 20% possible error in Delta-T.
I don't know why Rossi ran with such a small delta-T (6 C).
I re-ran the simulation assuming 1/8 the flow, and the Secondary
Output
I wrote:
When you apply for any cold fusion related patent, they automatically
reject it with a form letter. . . .
Let me upload a copy:
http://lenr-canr.org/Collections/PatentOfficeMemo.jpg
That is a copy of their policy, not the form letter. Sorry for the
confusion.
I tossed out my
Alan J Fletcher wrote:
http://lenr-canr.org/RossiData/Higgins%20Oct%206%2027kWreactorDiagram4.png
Do we have any agreement on the volume of the REACTOR (excluding fins).
You mean the cell. Or core as they say in the fission biz. The thing
with the three cold fusion cells in it.
I would
Am 11.11.2011 21:05, schrieb Jed Rothwell:
At any corporation, the public relations department will strive to
avoid any association with fraud, criminality or controversy. They
will not allow a press release which might harm the company image.
To put it bluntly, if Trisha McDonell, Corporate
Mary, your requirement for blank test run is unreasonable, but you are
misunderstanding the reason why blank tests are used in science. Blank runs
are used when we are measuring effects that may consist on multiple unknown
variables and with controls we try to eliminate those variables that we are
Re: [Vo]:National Instruments signs to do E-Cat controls
Mary Yugo
Fri, 11 Nov 2011 11:44:09 -0800
The deal with Rossi sounds much more like an OEM contract, and they are
very
likely to have done some diligence on it. Just the risk of adverse PR
(which they are already experiencing,
I
When you apply for any cold fusion related patent, they automatically
reject it with a form letter. . . .
Let me upload a copy:
http://lenr-canr.org/Collections/PatentOfficeMemo.jpg
That is a copy of their policy, not the form letter. Sorry for the
confusion.
I tossed out my copy
I wrote This is not the proof we wanted :)
It was intended to be humorousRossi does major 1MW test at the end of
October and in November there is a radioactive pollution across Europe from
an unknown source.
The skeptics would be proven wrong and the optimists would be wishing the
skeptics
Mary Yugo wrote:
That jpg of a memo says only that applications about cold fusion
should be stamped cold fusion for identification. Nowhere I can see
does it say they should reject them.
Ah, but they did, in fact, summarily reject them. So that memo was
telling P.O. staff how to identify
Mary, your requirement for blank test run is unreasonable, but you are
misunderstanding the reason why blank tests are used in science. Blank runs
are used when we are measuring effects that may consist on multiple unknown
variables and with controls we try to eliminate those variables that we
Thank you Sterling for allowing us to review. We approve the
text, especially the National Instruments portion of the story that
includes Stefano’s quote and information.
Oops. I see that memo is written to Allan. I guess he circulated it. I
though it was to David Ledin. If it is forged,
-FP, 1989. Nothing was done about about any of the rejections. What
could be done?
I don't know. I do suspect that you can sue if a worthy patent is
denied. Maybe someone who is a patent attorney can comment? That's out of
my area and I don't want to discuss it as I already said.
My
Mary Yugo wrote:
I never alleged or even implied that it's forged (talk about straw men!).
You didn't, but I did.
It was not a straw man because it was my own supposition.
I said it's probably meaningless and has no value in determining
whether or not Rossi's claims are real.
True and I
Mary Yugo wrote:
And it (emphatically) does NOT follow that if FP are right, Rossi is
right, as some people have irresponsibly and foolishly claimed in
several forums.
Fleischmann and I think it does follow. So do most cold fusion
researchers I know. We think it is extremely unlikely there
On Fri, Nov 11, 2011 at 1:29 PM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote:
Mary Yugo wrote:
And it (emphatically) does NOT follow that if FP are right, Rossi is
right, as some people have irresponsibly and foolishly claimed in several
forums.
Fleischmann and I think it does follow. So do
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Oggetto: PRESS RELEASE - E-CAT: UNIVERSITY OF BOLOGNA IS NOT INVOLVED
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On Fri, Nov 11, 2011 at 1:42 PM, Mary Yugo maryyu...@gmail.com wrote:
Well, if I had been so confident that cold fusion or LENR or what ever you
want to call it is impossible, I would feel quite foolish at the moment. He
spent many years of his career making fun of the serious researchers
See:
http://www.forbes.com/sites/markgibbs/2011/11/11/national-instruments-and-cold-fusion/
QUOTE:
Update#1: A statement from John Pasquarette, Vice President of Corporate
Marketing and eBusiness, National Instruments:
There are thousands of researchers and engineers in the world trying to
http://www.leonardo-ecat.com
On 2011-11-12 00:39, Jouni Valkonen wrote:
For me this looks like a bad joke. It is not nice to do a fan page
that superficially looks like authentic page.
It turns out it's really an official website:
* * *
http://peswiki.com/index.php/Main_Page
Leonardo-ECat.com Official Website Launched
On Fri, Nov 11, 2011 at 3:34 PM, Aussie Guy E-Cat
aussieguy.e...@gmail.comwrote:
http://www.leonardo-ecat.com
Gee. I looked all over for an order form, a price list and a PayPal Logo
and darn... no luck. Oh and:
Page posted by Sterling Allan http://sterlingdallan.com/, PES Network,
Inc.
Auch! sorry Akira you already noticed!
2011/11/12 Michele Comitini michele.comit...@gmail.com:
Look down on the pages:
Page by Hank Mills and Sterling Allan, PES Network, Inc.
Just like PESN: an old fashioned, '90s looking site...
mic
2011/11/12 Terry Blanton hohlr...@gmail.com:
Major
On Fri, Nov 11, 2011 at 3:39 PM, Jouni Valkonen jounivalko...@gmail.comwrote:
For me this looks like a bad joke. It is not nice to do a fan page
that superficially looks like authentic page.
It does look like a bad joke but look at this from there:
Welcome to the homepage of Andrea Rossi,
On Fri, Nov 11, 2011 at 3:40 PM, Terry Blanton hohlr...@gmail.com wrote:
Major kewl!
Yah. Looks like a camp stove.
I find this very interesting. Where is there a scam here?
http://www.leonardo-ecat.com/fp/Products/1MW_Plant/index.html
*Purchase Terms*
* Price: 2,000 Euros per kilowatt.
* 1 MW plant. Only under approved circumstances will smaller sizes be
considered, but no less than 100 kW.
* Full
Uhho... this is going to cause a lot of trouble for sure. Wait until the
universities hear about it!
Now I really do wonder if Rossi ever saw it before it went live. Ah
well... we'll know soon.
Leonardo Corp Personnel
Ing. Andrea A.
On Fri, Nov 11, 2011 at 3:52 PM, Aussie Guy E-Cat
aussieguy.e...@gmail.comwrote:
I find this very interesting. Where is there a scam here?
Oh ok. Let's order one. How do I do that exactly? (medium to small
please, one each)
Digging in to the html code, the headers tell it all about quality...
made with FrontPage software that was discontinued in 2003!
head
meta http-equiv=Content-Type content=text/html; charset=windows-1252
meta name=GENERATOR content=Microsoft FrontPage 4.0
meta name=ProgId
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