Re: [Vo]:Celani demonstration

2012-08-14 Thread Jed Rothwell
Jouni Valkonen jounivalko...@gmail.com wrote: Does it mean that you have now seen first ever scientifically demonstrable quantum reactor that producess clear and replicable anomalous heat effect? No, I have seen several. This is not even the first time a cold fusion reactor has been

[Vo]:remove unsubscribe please

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Re: [Vo]:Celani demonstration

2012-08-14 Thread Harry Veeder
how does he determine the ouput ? harry On Tue, Aug 14, 2012 at 1:14 AM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote: Celani has set up his demonstration cell. The people from TI reworked the instruments and the LabView code that collects data. They did a beautiful job. Celani just told me that

Re: [Vo]:Celani demonstration

2012-08-14 Thread Michele Comitini
Jed, Thanks for the live report! Isn't it NI instead of TI? Just to avoid giving credit to competitors that do not bring anything to the field... mic Il giorno 14/ago/2012 08:03, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com ha scritto: Jouni Valkonen jounivalko...@gmail.com wrote: Does it mean that

[Vo]:Re: ProdEngAssemble.avi

2012-08-14 Thread Chemical Engineer
At 2:30 of this video they mention aligning the holes shown machined on the outside of each cylinder to the top for access to the coils for wiring, etc. I believe they mount a circuit board for each cylinder atop/near each hole to access the coils to supply control power. They do not show the

Re: [Vo]:Celani demonstration

2012-08-14 Thread Jed Rothwell
Harry Veeder hveeder...@gmail.com wrote: how does he determine the ouput ? Briefly: The abstract says that at the lab they have a precision flow calorimeter. Here they are using crude thermometry in an uncontrolled environment. That is, a room full of people crowded around the machine, with

Re: [Vo]:Celani demonstration

2012-08-14 Thread Jed Rothwell
Michele Comitini michele.comit...@gmail.com wrote: Isn't it NI instead of TI? Yes. Both in Texas. - Jed

Re: [Vo]:Celani demonstration

2012-08-14 Thread Jed Rothwell
Celani's spoken English is hard to understand. Many details of his presentation escaped me. I will ask him for copies of the slides. He is usually happy to share them. He concluded by saying he plans to improve the insulation and put it in self-sustaining mode, soon. That is to say, trigger the

Re: [Vo]:Celani demonstration

2012-08-14 Thread Andre Blum
Hi Jed, When you say they cleaned it, what exactly did they do? Do you mean vacuum pumping it? Or rinsing it with H2? Or did they somehow give treatment to the wire? If this step apparently is so important and leaving it out is prohibitive for the results, I'd like to understand that better.

Re: [Vo]:Celani demonstration

2012-08-14 Thread Akira Shirakawa
On 2012-08-14 14:36, Andre Blum wrote: One thing I also fail to understand of Celani's setup is when he talks about switching from the active (treated) wire to the inactive (stock ISOTAN44?) wire as a control experiment. As far as I understand, both wires are in the tube simultaneously. What

Re: [Vo]:Celani demonstration

2012-08-14 Thread Andre Blum
In my opinion this is a huge achievement for the entire LENR field, which should make other researchers/experimenters think twice before keeping working on historically problematic Pd-D electrolytic systems. Ni-H gas loaded cells are cheaper, easier to set up, easier to replicate, and show a

[Vo]:How to convert nickel FCC lattice into C4 / Pm3m structures ?

2012-08-14 Thread Teslaalset
All, I tried to find how to convert metal FCC lattices into C4 / Pm3m lattice structure (this is what Defkalion is claiming to do in preparation of their Nickel). Until now I have failed in finding ways to do that. Anyone knowledgeable on this?

[Vo]:Introducing Gremlin's Non-Identical Twin Brother - Chameleon

2012-08-14 Thread Chemical Engineer
In my last post I explained why the radiation from Anomolous Heat is very weak. For those of you who missed it, it is because in order for radiation to first escape the quantum gravity of the gremlin's (collapsed matter) surface horizon, most of the radiation's energy is used up in escaping the

Re: [Vo]:Celani demonstration

2012-08-14 Thread Akira Shirakawa
On 2012-08-14 15:43, Andre Blum wrote: [...] has not seen excess heat. We are at a point now where we have to decide on a direction to take for next experiments. Maybe you are right that we should try with alloys. Remember that material surface nano/micro structures appear to be very

Re: [Vo]:Re: ProdEngAssemble.avi

2012-08-14 Thread Kelley Trezise
Until I see an energy balance on the engine or they run this in a closed loop, generating the power for the spark and such, and produce a significant amount of work out over a significant amount of time they have nothing. Don't buy a thing until you have proof that it works. - Original

Re: [Vo]:Re: ProdEngAssemble.avi

2012-08-14 Thread Chemical Engineer
Unless they back out of the PowerGEN conference in December, they should have a running system on display along with other OEMS using their engine. I am not ready to give them $50K On Tue, Aug 14, 2012 at 11:14 AM, Kelley Trezise ktrez2...@ssvecnet.comwrote: ** Until I see an energy balance

Re: [Vo]:Re: ProdEngAssemble.avi

2012-08-14 Thread Andre Blum
The use of an adjustable spanner more or less settles this discussion. On 08/14/2012 11:17 AM, Chemical Engineer wrote: Unless they back out of the PowerGEN conference in December, they should have a running system on display along with other OEMS using their engine. I am not ready to give

Re: [Vo]:Re: ProdEngAssemble.avi

2012-08-14 Thread David Roberson
It is too bad that they did not show placement of the coils in this video. One thing to notice is that the cylinders are made of aluminum which will allow the steady state magnetic fields due to DC through the coils free access to the interior. The highly conductive cylinder walls would

Re: [Vo]:Re: ProdEngAssemble.avi

2012-08-14 Thread Chemical Engineer
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iF7HVi5OVIc On Tue, Aug 14, 2012 at 11:26 AM, David Roberson dlrober...@aol.com wrote: It is too bad that they did not show placement of the coils in this video. One thing to notice is that the cylinders are made of aluminum which will allow the steady state

Re: [Vo]:Re: ProdEngAssemble.avi

2012-08-14 Thread Chemical Engineer
The reason the balloon gets sucked in and the reason the coil gets hot is: The unit has created gremlins (collapsed matter). Over time, the gremlins are collapsing additional matter available in the vicinity until they have finally collapsed all the matter available. The coil is available to

[Vo]:A bit of shameless self-promotion

2012-08-14 Thread Kelley Trezise
I am happy to hear of developments of the E-Cat and await with bated breath the presentation of a working product or third party proof. On the other hand if the E-Cat arrives, my beautiful play Waiting for E-Cat, will be moot. So here for you enjoyment of my magificant creation is a link to the

RE: [Vo]:A bit of shameless self-promotion

2012-08-14 Thread Jones Beene
Well, ya' coulda' named the dog Toto. since he's not in Kansas anymore From: Kelley Trezise I am happy to hear of developments of the E-Cat and await with bated breath the presentation of a working product or third party proof. On the other hand if the E-Cat arrives, my beautiful play

[Vo]:LENR - MRI versus NMR- Peter Gluck=OKK

2012-08-14 Thread Ron Kita
Greetings Vortex, In Dr Peter Gluck s post citing LENR, Peter is correct as usual. I should mention that in the book: A Machine Called Indomibable- The History of the MRI: that the he original term was: Nuclear Magnetic Resonance and people were concerned about the word: Nuclear. So NMR

Re: [Vo]:LENR - MRI versus NMR- Peter Gluck=OKK

2012-08-14 Thread Peter Gluck
thank you, dear Ron, but I am only sometimes correct Peter On Tue, Aug 14, 2012 at 8:23 PM, Ron Kita chiralex.k...@gmail.com wrote: Greetings Vortex, In Dr Peter Gluck s post citing LENR, Peter is correct as usual. I should mention that in the book: A Machine Called Indomibable- The

[Vo]:Re: CMNS: New comment paper re Defkalion

2012-08-14 Thread Daniel Rocha
Those slides and also their paper presented on ICCF 17, which is also available, are sadly inconclusive. They just add confusion to the mass. I asked someone to ask defkalion people if they had done isotope analysis and to ask what were the light elements. They said they did no isotope analysis,

Re: [Vo]:New comment paper re Defkalion

2012-08-14 Thread Daniel Rocha
Hi Peter, Those slides and also their paper presented on ICCF 17, which is also available, are sadly inconclusive. They just add confusion to the mass. I asked someone to ask defkalion people if they had done isotope analysis and to ask what were the light elements. They said they did no

Re: [Vo]:New comment paper re Defkalion

2012-08-14 Thread bertoldo arpagoni
What a smart guys they are. Isn't it? They announce they moving to Canada, hand out a bunch of well written slides with many fancy pics and everybody forget the promise to show independent test results to the public. Did you guys forget that this promise is due in Jul/Aug 2012? All right, August

Re: [Vo]:Re: ProdEngAssemble.avi

2012-08-14 Thread David Roberson
Thanks for the link. I saw it once then lost the location. One thing I notice is that this only happens when he uses a coil built to his interpretation of the original Papp design. Also, grounding the coil did not stop the strange heating effect. It was stated that the device needed the

Re: [Vo]:New comment paper re Defkalion

2012-08-14 Thread Peter Gluck
Dear Daniel, you well know that they are using some additives to enhance the process; Rossi has named these the Catalyst. The opinions inside the company nd for their friends are divided some say they are telling too much ( I am on this side too). Please focus on what is most valuable in what

Re: [Vo]:How to convert nickel FCC lattice into C4 / Pm3m structures ?

2012-08-14 Thread Franco Talari
Try googling nickel rutile pigments. You should see a link to a product called HEUCODUR made by HEUBACH. It appears that these are yellow pigments/paints made with 0.1 micron sized 'nickel rutile particles' with 'molecular formula:(Ni,Sb,Ti)O2 which I interpret as an oxide of an alloy of Ni,

[Vo]:To: Peter G et al re: Popular Science..and the No Coverage for Sept

2012-08-14 Thread Ron Kita
Greetings Peter and Vortex-l I have been visiting our local bookstore to see IF Popular Science would feature anything on LENR-CF, BUT nothing is in the September issue. Also, I was watching http://www.popsci.com and they still have the old August website as of this e-mail. For a media

Re: [Vo]:New comment paper re Defkalion

2012-08-14 Thread Peter Gluck
Dear Bertoldo, They are really moving to Canada due to the finacial situation of Greece and they really have done many test, the partners have reciprocal NDAs with them and don't want the tests made public. But it will come ye day when their kibitzes will be happy and their detractors rather sad.

Re: [Vo]:To: Peter G et al re: Popular Science..and the No Coverage for Sept

2012-08-14 Thread Peter Gluck
Dear Ron, it was changed for the next month, do not worry CF will come in Pop Sci peter On Tue, Aug 14, 2012 at 9:16 PM, Ron Kita chiralex.k...@gmail.com wrote: Greetings Peter and Vortex-l I have been visiting our local bookstore to see IF Popular Science would feature anything on

Re: [Vo]:New comment paper re Defkalion

2012-08-14 Thread Daniel Rocha
Dear Peter, I do not expect any theory to be simple. I think, as we discussed another time, something multistage like photosynthesis. But I cannot think about the if they do not release data with better accuracy! Given that there are many stages, I have to separate what comes in different stages

Re: [Vo]:LENR - MRI versus NMR- Peter Gluck=OKK

2012-08-14 Thread Terry Blanton
As someone suggested, quantum reactor or quantum fusion reactor would work better. T

Re: [Vo]:New comment paper re Defkalion

2012-08-14 Thread Peter Gluck
please have empathy for them, including in the data release issue. and patience, What should I say I am at least 3 times older than you peter On Tue, Aug 14, 2012 at 9:22 PM, Daniel Rocha danieldi...@gmail.com wrote: Dear Peter, I do not expect any theory to be simple. I think, as we

Re: [Vo]:LENR - MRI versus NMR- Peter Gluck=OKK

2012-08-14 Thread Peter Gluck
Terry, the ways of bureaucracy are tortuous, I have met seen lots of quantum reactors.They were mainly perpetuum stabile ypu know the antonu=ym of Perpettuum mobile. Peter On Tue, Aug 14, 2012 at 9:25 PM, Terry Blanton hohlr...@gmail.com wrote: As someone suggested, quantum reactor or quantum

Re: [Vo]:How to convert nickel FCC lattice into C4 / Pm3m structures ?

2012-08-14 Thread Teslaalset
Thanks Franco, Interesting hint. Hoe did you find the relation with C4 / Pm3m structure however? On Tuesday, August 14, 2012, Franco Talari wrote: Try googling nickel rutile pigments. You should see a link to a product called HEUCODUR made by HEUBACH. It appears that these are yellow

Re: [Vo]:Inspiration

2012-08-14 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
At 01:56 PM 8/13/2012, Bastiaan Bergman wrote: http://physics.aps.org/articles/v5/90 [...] What is not known, and remains under considerable debate even now, is how the energy stored in the magnetic fields is converted into heating the corona Lesson: We have no freeking clue how fusion works

Re: [Vo]:How to convert nickel FCC lattice into C4 / Pm3m structures ?

2012-08-14 Thread Franco Talari
A little more searching indicates that the composition of nickel rutile yellow is: (Ti_0.85 Sb_0.10 Ni_0.05)O_2, so I doubt that this is the rutile nickel you are searching for. Still perhaps this gives a clue... On Tue, Aug 14, 2012 at 2:04 PM, Franco Talari franco.tal...@gmail.comwrote: Try

Re: [Vo]:Inspiration

2012-08-14 Thread Chemical Engineer
If the Papp engine really works, it shows us that collapsed Helium ions work just as well as Collapsed Hydrogen ions... On Tue, Aug 14, 2012 at 3:35 PM, Abd ul-Rahman Lomax a...@lomaxdesign.comwrote: At 01:56 PM 8/13/2012, Bastiaan Bergman wrote:

Re: [Vo]:LENR - MRI versus NMR- Peter Gluck=OKK

2012-08-14 Thread Chemical Engineer
I prefer Quantum Singularity Reactor... On Tue, Aug 14, 2012 at 2:25 PM, Terry Blanton hohlr...@gmail.com wrote: As someone suggested, quantum reactor or quantum fusion reactor would work better. T

Re: [Vo]:LENR - MRI versus NMR- Peter Gluck=OKK

2012-08-14 Thread Peter Gluck
singularity is frightening peter On Tue, Aug 14, 2012 at 9:49 PM, Chemical Engineer cheme...@gmail.comwrote: I prefer Quantum Singularity Reactor... On Tue, Aug 14, 2012 at 2:25 PM, Terry Blanton hohlr...@gmail.com wrote: As someone suggested, quantum reactor or quantum fusion reactor

[Vo]:Recombination

2012-08-14 Thread Axil Axil
Recombination What John Rohner said in an interview the other day complicates the nuclear reactions going on in LENR. John said that the original Papp engine produced boron as an ash product and as a consequence, demonstrated relatively poor reaction efficiency. Because of his efforts

Re: [Vo]:Re: ProdEngAssemble.avi - 1/2 volt grounded

2012-08-14 Thread David L Babcock
On 8/14/2012 1:51 PM, David Roberson wrote: He suggested that there was .5 volts across the coil when grounded. I assume that he broke the ground and then connected some form of meter across the turns. I suspect that this reading was not accurate and most likely external noise or possibly

Re: [Vo]:Recombination

2012-08-14 Thread Axil Axil
Referenced interview: http://larryseyer.com/media/podcasts/tmdd/TMDD-2012-08-10.MP3 Cheers: Axil On Tue, Aug 14, 2012 at 3:10 PM, Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com wrote: Recombination What John Rohner said in an interview the other day complicates the nuclear reactions going on in

Re: [Vo]:Recombination

2012-08-14 Thread Chemical Engineer
Axil, DGT has claimed no less than 10-11 elements created that would typically be created from fission or fusion. My theory is that the collapsed matter(gremlin) is indiscriminate, it can rip protons and/or electrons from nearby atoms due to the immense local quantum gravity and evaporate them

Re: [Vo]:Re: ProdEngAssemble.avi - 1/2 volt grounded

2012-08-14 Thread David Roberson
It depends upon what he refers to by grounding. I assumed that he was just connecting each of the inductor leads to ground initially. He of course figured that this would eliminate any current flowing, but induced currents would continue as is well established. I am not knowledgeable about

Re: [Vo]:LENR - MRI versus NMR- Peter Gluck=OKK

2012-08-14 Thread Chemical Engineer
Peter, I do not believe at this time there is any chance of collapse of a significant amount of matter from one of these things. Unless you give birth to an enormously large gremlin to begin with, they like to reach thermal equilibrium with their surroundings extremely quickly. There is however

Re: [Vo]:New comment paper re Defkalion

2012-08-14 Thread Daniel Rocha
Are you 93? 2012/8/14 Peter Gluck peter.gl...@gmail.com please have empathy for them, including in the data release issue. and patience, What should I say I am at least 3 times older than you peter -- Daniel Rocha - RJ danieldi...@gmail.com

Re: [Vo]:Celani demonstration -- Other ICCF17 Comments

2012-08-14 Thread Alan J Fletcher
http://www.e-catworld.com/2012/08/report-from-iccf-17/ Report from ICCF-17August 14, 2012 I thought this comment from Tyler van Houwelingen deserved to be in separate post. Thanks Tyler! Greetings from ICCF-17, After seeing the DGT presentation, speaking with them and speaking with people who

Re: [Vo]:Recombination

2012-08-14 Thread Guenter Wildgruber
Chem Eng, Axil somehow my limits are reached. Do'nt know who from the italian faction it was (Piantelli?) who found lots of transmutations bydifferential analysis (pre-after of the SAME sample), then there is LeClair/nanospire, then DGTG, who claim similar things. This is like opening a can

Re: [Vo]:To: Peter G et al re: Popular Science..and the No Coverage for Sept

2012-08-14 Thread Alain Sepeda
I wait for it in science... Maybe for the first LENR plane test flight to prove it is impossible. 2012/8/14 Peter Gluck peter.gl...@gmail.com Dear Ron, it was changed for the next month, do not worry CF will come in Pop Sci peter On Tue, Aug 14, 2012 at 9:16 PM, Ron Kita

Re: [Vo]:LENR - MRI versus NMR- Peter Gluck=OKK

2012-08-14 Thread Guenter Wildgruber
Peter, ChemEng, frightening it is. In the sense that 'logic' is abandoned. The 'singularity' is synonymous to annihilation of 'logic'. So beware what you think for! Have been fighting the 'singularity' in all sorts of contexts for years. It is sort of a joker. For the same (hopefully logic)

Re: [Vo]:Celani demonstration -- Other ICCF17 Comments

2012-08-14 Thread Joe Hughes
Sorry if I missed this come across the wire last week: http://blog.newenergytimes.com/2012/08/07/lenr-gets-major-boost-from-national-instruments/ Thought it was a great article and was surprised to see our dear old friend Mary Yugu as chatty as ever in the comments at the bottom of the

Re: [Vo]:Celani demonstration -- Other ICCF17 Comments

2012-08-14 Thread Alan J Fletcher
At 01:47 PM 8/14/2012, Joe Hughes wrote: Sorry if I missed this come across the wire last week: http://blog.newenergytimes.com/2012/08/07/lenr-gets-major-boost-from-national-instruments/ Thought it was a great article and was surprised to see our dear old friend Mary Yugu as chatty as ever in

Re: [Vo]:the Coil

2012-08-14 Thread mixent
In reply to Axil Axil's message of Mon, 13 Aug 2012 21:52:02 -0400: Hi, [snip] How do the fields from the coil get through the metal walls? Good question. I think there are some metals that a non changing magnetic field will penetrate, though those containing magnetic materials such as iron

[Vo]:The faint young Sun paradox

2012-08-14 Thread Harry Veeder
Models of the Sun's evolution predict the Sun was 70% percent as bright 2 billion years ago, and the Earth should have been an ice ball at that time. Yet the geological record indicates the oceans were liquid. A number of explanations have been proposed which haven't faired well upon closer

Re: [Vo]:the Coil

2012-08-14 Thread mixent
In reply to David Roberson's message of Mon, 13 Aug 2012 11:50:22 -0400 (EDT): Hi, [snip] There is a phenomena that is not too well known that most likely allows this possibility to exist. I first ran into this effect years ago when designing and modeling an EAS system. The system worked with

Re: [Vo]:Celani demonstration

2012-08-14 Thread Harry Veeder
Thanks for the detailed answer. Harry On Tue, Aug 14, 2012 at 6:26 AM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote: Harry Veeder hveeder...@gmail.com wrote: how does he determine the ouput ? Briefly: The abstract says that at the lab they have a precision flow calorimeter. Here they are using

Re: [Vo]:the Coil

2012-08-14 Thread Chemical Engineer
I think in the Papp you are trading Helium ions for energy at the rate of e=mc2. Not a bad trade, i just hope the cost of balloons does not go up. On Tuesday, August 14, 2012, wrote: In reply to David Roberson's message of Mon, 13 Aug 2012 11:50:22 -0400 (EDT): Hi, [snip] There is a

Re: [Vo]:Re: ProdEngAssemble.avi

2012-08-14 Thread Michael Foster
I really want to believe these guys are for real in their revival of the Papp engine. If it works, it's certainly more compelling than getting heat from LENR. One thing bothers me in watching the video of the engine assembly. The piston rings are rubber O-rings. There's no way in hell that

Re: [Vo]:The faint young Sun paradox

2012-08-14 Thread Robert Lynn
Probably the most sensible solution is that the atmosphere was significantly thicker. 30% less heat input would drop the earth's temperature by about 20°C, but 20% more mass of air would increase the temperature by about 20°C at ground level. We know that during the age of the dinosaurs that

[Vo]:Celani ICCF17 Presentation

2012-08-14 Thread Terry Blanton
Jed just gave me a copy. I have u/l to google: https://docs.google.com/open?id=0B8mt4mJOTGvBeXJCNXNUdEJVME0 Haven't read it yet. I have another; but, we are awaiting permission to share. T

Re: [Vo]:Celani ICCF17 Presentation

2012-08-14 Thread Terry Blanton
Oh, Jed suggested the following edit: Nuked eyes = naked eyes But, the document is locked and does not accept changes. T On Tue, Aug 14, 2012 at 8:10 PM, Terry Blanton hohlr...@gmail.com wrote: Jed just gave me a copy. I have u/l to google:

Re: [Vo]:Celani ICCF17 Presentation

2012-08-14 Thread Akira Shirakawa
On 2012-08-15 02:10, Terry Blanton wrote: Jed just gave me a copy. I have u/l to google: https://docs.google.com/open?id=0B8mt4mJOTGvBeXJCNXNUdEJVME0 Haven't read it yet. I have another; but, we are awaiting permission to share. Very good! Thanks! Cheers, S.A.

Re: [Vo]:The faint young Sun paradox

2012-08-14 Thread Harry Veeder
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/46632008/ns/technology_and_science-science/t/mystery-still-why-early-earth-didnt-freeze-over/ For greenhouse gases to explain the faint young sun paradox, their concentrations would need to have been extremely high, hundreds to thousands of times as much as today. If

Re: [Vo]:Celani ICCF17 Presentation

2012-08-14 Thread Terry Blanton
On Tue, Aug 14, 2012 at 8:17 PM, Akira Shirakawa shirakawa.ak...@gmail.com wrote: Very good! Thanks! After all you do, da nada! We have a lot of lurkers on Vortex. Ten minutes after I u/l, there are 25 views. :-) T

Re: [Vo]:Re: ProdEngAssemble.avi

2012-08-14 Thread Axil Axil
John Rohner uses magnetic confinement to keep the noble gas located axially at the center of the cylinder. This might keep the gases away from the edge of the piston. What this might mean is that the gas is well contained while the engine is running. The coil provides a cylinder within the

Re: [Vo]:Celani ICCF17 Presentation

2012-08-14 Thread Terry Blanton
This image: https://docs.google.com/open?id=0B8mt4mJOTGvBUkl3SGNkcmQxTTg shows the effect from the air conditioner since the demonstration unit is not insulated. (From Jed) T

RE: [Vo]:The faint young Sun paradox

2012-08-14 Thread Jones Beene
A more sensible solution is that was NO faint young sun to begin with. The same flawed model of solar mechanics that gives us the solar neutrino problem also gives us the faint young sun problem. They invented a straw man that never was much more than fiction, and now that they are trying to

[Vo]:Fwd: Celani ICCF17 Presentation

2012-08-14 Thread Terry Blanton
From Jed. T -- Forwarded message -- From: Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com Date: Tue, Aug 14, 2012 at 8:45 PM Subject: Re: Celani ICCF17 Presentation To: Terry Blanton hohlr...@gmail.com Paper is here: http://lenr-canr.org/acrobat/CelaniFcunimnallo.pdf - Jed

Re: [Vo]:Celani ICCF17 Presentation

2012-08-14 Thread Terry Blanton
On Tue, Aug 14, 2012 at 8:47 PM, Terry Blanton hohlr...@gmail.com wrote: This image: https://docs.google.com/open?id=0B8mt4mJOTGvBUkl3SGNkcmQxTTg shows the effect from the air conditioner since the demonstration unit is not insulated. (From Jed) Source is from National Instruments guy

Re: [Vo]:Re: ProdEngAssemble.avi

2012-08-14 Thread Chemical Engineer
Axil, I believe you are correct. My understanding is that there are two coils in each cylinder, one for compression and one for containment. I believe the compression coil is located exactly around the focal point of the spark plug electrodes so that it concentrates ions at the focal point for

Re: [Vo]:Re: ProdEngAssemble.avi

2012-08-14 Thread Axil Axil
You’re hoped for gremlins have not been seen in CERN’s LHC, any problem with the gremlin theory is they do not exist? Cheers:Axil On Tue, Aug 14, 2012 at 8:52 PM, Chemical Engineer cheme...@gmail.comwrote: Axil, I believe you are correct. My understanding is that there are two coils

Re: [Vo]:The Magic of Xenon

2012-08-14 Thread Harry Veeder
hmmm xenon --- xenomorph could there be connection with Chemical Engineer's gremlin? http://user.xmission.com/~vancea/Xenomorph.htm ;-) harry On Tue, Aug 14, 2012 at 7:15 PM, Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com wrote: The Magic of Xenon The study of Xenon is a large field of physics and

Re: [Vo]:Celani ICCF17 Presentation

2012-08-14 Thread Jed Rothwell
NI guy = Brian Glass, Applications Engineering. Many thanks to him. As you see, nominal excess power is 12 to 14 W. Most perturbations are probably caused by changes in ambient temperature this morning when the air conditioning came on. Ambient at present 29.4 deg C. Surface temperature of

Re: [Vo]:Fwd: Celani ICCF17 Presentation

2012-08-14 Thread Chemical Engineer
Jed, Based upon Celani's paper at the following step: After adding a H2/Ar mixture (75/25 ratio) at 7 bar of total pressure, and using as monitor parameter the resistance of both the active and inert wires, it was given power (48W) to the inert wire. It was found that when the temperature inside

Re: [Vo]:Celani ICCF17 Presentation

2012-08-14 Thread Daniel Rocha
Thin like what? For any wire I can think of, I think for its volume it should yield a much higher density than Rossi's. 2012/8/14 Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com The active constantan wire is ~1.1 m long. It is very thin. The total mass is small, so the power density per cubic centimeter

Re: [Vo]:Celani ICCF17 Presentation

2012-08-14 Thread Akira Shirakawa
On 2012-08-15 02:47, Terry Blanton wrote: This image: https://docs.google.com/open?id=0B8mt4mJOTGvBUkl3SGNkcmQxTTg shows the effect from the air conditioner since the demonstration unit is not insulated. This picture shows about 20.5 hours of cell activity. Nice. Is the reactor still going

Re: [Vo]:Celani ICCF17 Presentation

2012-08-14 Thread Jed Rothwell
Daniel Rocha danieldi...@gmail.com wrote: Thin like what? Thin like within an order of magnitude of eng. Rossi. This is Ni-H at high temperature, high power density, at a National Lab, with a detailed description of the material preparation. What's not to like? - Jed

Re: [Vo]:Celani ICCF17 Presentation

2012-08-14 Thread Akira Shirakawa
On 2012-08-15 03:14, Daniel Rocha wrote: Thin like what? For any wire I can think of, I think for its volume it should yield a much higher density than Rossi's. It should be 0.2 mm thin. Cheers, S.A.

Re: [Vo]:Re: ProdEngAssemble.avi

2012-08-14 Thread Chemical Engineer
Up until now they have spent $9B looking for the Higgs Boson... I referenced in my summary the 2012 studies below which estimated they should show up around 1 TeV, depending upon how strong you think quantum gravity is and how many dimensions of spacetime and the effect of gravitons. How strong

Re: [Vo]:the Coil

2012-08-14 Thread Jouni Valkonen
On 15 August 2012 02:24, Chemical Engineer cheme...@gmail.com wrote: I think in the Papp you are trading Helium ions for energy at the rate of e=mc2. Not a bad trade, i just hope the cost of balloons does not go up. We can make additional helium using cold fusion, so no worries with with

Re: [Vo]:Celani ICCF17 Presentation

2012-08-14 Thread Jed Rothwell
Akira Shirakawa shirakawa.ak...@gmail.com wrote: This picture shows about 20.5 hours of cell activity. Nice. Is the reactor still going on? Yes. When does Celani plan to switch it off? Friday, I think. Any information about the excess power spike at around the first hour of

Re: [Vo]:The faint young Sun paradox

2012-08-14 Thread Harry Veeder
On Tue, Aug 14, 2012 at 8:47 PM, Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net wrote: A more sensible solution is that was NO faint young sun to begin with. I was waiting for someone to suggest this possibility. The same flawed model of solar mechanics that gives us the solar neutrino problem also

Re: [Vo]:Celani ICCF17 Presentation

2012-08-14 Thread Daniel Rocha
That's 14W/(PI*(0.3)^2)*1)~14W/(0.3mm^3)~45KW/cm^3. DAMN! 2012/8/14 Akira Shirakawa shirakawa.ak...@gmail.com On 2012-08-15 03:14, Daniel Rocha wrote: Thin like what? For any wire I can think of, I think for its volume it should yield a much higher density than Rossi's. It should be 0.2

Re: [Vo]:Fwd: Celani ICCF17 Presentation

2012-08-14 Thread Jed Rothwell
Chemical Engineer cheme...@gmail.com wrote: I am surprised pressure changes on the airplane did not flush a few out. It was recharged with fresh gas at a KAIST laboratory before being brought to the convention center. There is no gas canister here. It is sealed, but leaking gradually. The

Re: [Vo]:Fwd: Celani ICCF17 Presentation

2012-08-14 Thread Chemical Engineer
OK, thanks On Tue, Aug 14, 2012 at 9:25 PM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote: Chemical Engineer cheme...@gmail.com wrote: I am surprised pressure changes on the airplane did not flush a few out. It was recharged with fresh gas at a KAIST laboratory before being brought to the

Re: [Vo]:Celani ICCF17 Presentation

2012-08-14 Thread Akira Shirakawa
On 2012-08-15 03:21, Jed Rothwell wrote: When does Celani plan to switch it off? Friday, I think. Very nice, I'm looking forward to seeing the final charts. By the way, what is the general reaction to Celani's demo? Personally I have been very positively impressed so far, the presentation

Re: [Vo]:Celani ICCF17 Presentation

2012-08-14 Thread Robert Lynn
Wire diameter 0.2mm, 1000mm long gives 0.031cm³, or about 500W/cm³, you were off by a factor of about 1000. It is likely that not the whole thickness is active, and this is only early days in development, not even running at high temperature yet. On 15 August 2012 02:23, Daniel Rocha

Re: [Vo]:Celani ICCF17 Presentation

2012-08-14 Thread Robert Lynn
Argh, I meant a factor of 100 (never a good look to cock up your own arithmetic when correcting someone) On 15 August 2012 02:32, Robert Lynn robert.gulliver.l...@gmail.com wrote: Wire diameter 0.2mm, 1000mm long gives 0.031cm³, or about 500W/cm³, you were off by a factor of about 1000. It

Re: [Vo]:Fwd: Celani ICCF17 Presentation

2012-08-14 Thread Chemical Engineer
I wonder if they got the Rohner brothers to recharge it?:) On Tue, Aug 14, 2012 at 9:28 PM, Chemical Engineer cheme...@gmail.comwrote: OK, thanks On Tue, Aug 14, 2012 at 9:25 PM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.comwrote: Chemical Engineer cheme...@gmail.com wrote: I am surprised pressure

Re: [Vo]:Celani ICCF17 Presentation

2012-08-14 Thread Akira Shirakawa
On 2012-08-15 02:47, Terry Blanton wrote: This image: https://docs.google.com/open?id=0B8mt4mJOTGvBUkl3SGNkcmQxTTg shows the effect from the air conditioner since the demonstration unit is not insulated. I just noticed that the pressure, resistance and temperature charts do not start from

RE: [Vo]:The faint young Sun paradox

2012-08-14 Thread Jones Beene
Harry, I have not followed Mills' cosmological arguments for years and they may have changed. IIRC he thinks 100% of the UV and EUV (which is the main emission spectrum for f/H) and something like 40% of the net thermal energy received on earth comes from the Corona. That instantly solves the

Re: [Vo]:The faint young Sun paradox

2012-08-14 Thread Chemical Engineer
Just a bunch of collapsed microsingularities emitting hawking radiation around the sun collapsed due to the intense gravity and flux. The smaller they are the hotter they get. The smallest might get up to... 5.6×1032 K vs a monster black hole in the emptiest part of space which is somewhat

[Vo]:Brillouin ICCF17 Presentation

2012-08-14 Thread Terry Blanton
Jed just informed me that it's okay to open this one: https://docs.google.com/presentation/d/1SOA7Z4aIGnT_HrshnzNF6vTsgj4PULTBceDyUINIZG8/edit My wife kept me up long enough talking about LENR that we got the okay from Frank. She's never been this excited about my hobby. :-) T

RE: [Vo]:Brillouin ICCF17 Presentation

2012-08-14 Thread Jones Beene
Whoa. 130 bar light water electrolysis instead of gas phase! -Original Message- From: Terry Blanton Jed just informed me that it's okay to open this one: https://docs.google.com/presentation/d/1SOA7Z4aIGnT_HrshnzNF6vTsgj4PULTBceDy UINIZG8/edit My wife kept me up long enough talking

Re: [Vo]:Brillouin ICCF17 Presentation

2012-08-14 Thread Chemical Engineer
I think that is their wet boiler? On Tue, Aug 14, 2012 at 11:02 PM, Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net wrote: Whoa. 130 bar light water electrolysis instead of gas phase! -Original Message- From: Terry Blanton Jed just informed me that it's okay to open this one:

[Vo]:Grand Unification Theory of Cold Fusion

2012-08-14 Thread Chemical Engineer
I know you guys are sick of hearing about it, but here is a link to revision 4 of my theory, with a list of recent observations and how this theory explains them. http://wp.me/p26aeb-4 Basically the Ghostbusters had it right, if you cross the streams and generate enough charge you may vaporize

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