Re: [Vo]:If I want to see it for myself...

2013-05-17 Thread Joshua Cude
On Thu, May 16, 2013 at 6:58 PM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote: Joshua Cude joshua.c...@gmail.com wrote: So if the probability of a false positive is 1/3, and 1/3 of the tries are hits, then that is consistent with all the hits being false positives. How can you not get that?

Re: [Vo]:If I want to see it for myself...

2013-05-17 Thread Joshua Cude
On Thu, May 16, 2013 at 7:08 PM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote: Joshua Cude joshua.c...@gmail.com wrote: Furthermore, it's easy to imagine experiments that exclude artifacts, making them falsifiable. Yes, it is. And all of the mainstream experiments have excluded artifacts.

Re: [Vo]:If I want to see it for myself...

2013-05-17 Thread Joshua Cude
On Thu, May 16, 2013 at 7:15 PM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote: Joshua Cude joshua.c...@gmail.com wrote: And while I can't identify such an artifact, neither can you identify a nuclear reaction that fits the claims. I do not need to identify the reaction. The tritium and

Re: [Vo]:If I want to see it for myself...

2013-05-17 Thread Joshua Cude
On Thu, May 16, 2013 at 11:16 PM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.comwrote: Some experts do make mistakes, naturally. But not every single one of them, No, just the ones claiming nuclear reactions. They represent a small fraction of experts. day in day out, for years, when measuring heat

Re: [Vo]:If I want to see it for myself...

2013-05-17 Thread Joshua Cude
On Fri, May 17, 2013 at 12:06 AM, Eric Walker eric.wal...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, May 16, 2013 at 3:34 PM, Joshua Cude joshua.c...@gmail.comwrote: Here's a bigfoot believer making the same argument you make for cold fusion (from J Milstone): The sheer mass of reports alone should point to

RE: [Vo]:Nickel Aluminum (NiAl)

2013-05-17 Thread Roarty, Francis X
Jones, I only read your top citation so far but it does indicate the emissions recorded may have been due to ZPE [snip] We analyzed the emission from different gases and cavities to determine its origin. None of the conventional thermodynamic models we applied to our data fully explain

Re: [Vo]:If I want to see it for myself...

2013-05-17 Thread Jed Rothwell
Eric Walker eric.wal...@gmail.com wrote: these people from all walks of life is bogus, misconstrued or originating from a too many beers in the woods. Just to clarify a possible misunderstanding -- we believe in Bigfoot here, as well. Good point. Plus, most cold fusion experiments are done

Re: [Vo]:If I want to see it for myself...

2013-05-17 Thread Jed Rothwell
Joshua Cude joshua.c...@gmail.com wrote: The experiments are *always* short of convincing . . . Only to you. They have convinced thousands of scientists, such as McKubre, Gerischer and Duncan. They have convinced most people who reviewed them, including 6 out of the 18 reviewers at the

Re: [Vo]:Nickel Aluminum (NiAl)

2013-05-17 Thread Roarty, Francis X
Hi Ed, Vacuum energy can never be totally blocked by Casimir geometry or anything physical, even an ideal metal with optimum geometry won't totally block vacuum energy since it needs to permeate all matter in a Wave Structure of Matter kind of way -cant have matter [a persistent

Re: [Vo]:Nickel Aluminum (NiAl)

2013-05-17 Thread torulf.greek
Is aluminium metal good for absorb hydrogen? I also wonder which metals how is bad to absorb hydrogen? Its not but to find good materials for hydrogen loading but also to avoid de-loading. For example a connecting cord to an anode can de-lode hydrogen from Ni or Pd in an electrolytic experiment.

Re: [Vo]:Nickel Aluminum (NiAl)

2013-05-17 Thread ChemE Stewart
Guys, I can't remember if I posted this before. If my theory is correct this is a string of vacuum energy we know as a waterspout: http://www.rightthisminute.com/video/ultra-thin-waterspout-spotted-georgia-coastline It is referred to as a closed string 1-Brane by the string guys. You cannot

Re: [Vo]:skepticism versus Debunkers

2013-05-17 Thread James Bowery
On Thu, May 16, 2013 at 11:27 PM, John Berry berry.joh...@gmail.com wrote: Actually skeptics (correctly called pseudo skeptics) are far worse than that. They even disbelieve things that can be explained by establishment dogma. Actually, that which can be explained by establishment dogma is

Re: [Vo]:'Slow' arcing electrons can gain relativistic mass

2013-05-17 Thread James Bowery
This may be a naive question, but does not stimulated emission concentrate energy in some sense? A material that is pumped to a higher electron orbital has that energy spatially distributed and stimulated emission causes it to concentrate in some sense. Have there been any successful models of

Re: [Vo]:Nickel Aluminum (NiAl)

2013-05-17 Thread Edmund Storms
Thanks for the description Fran. Let's focus on one subject at a time, in this case the Casimir effect. While you use and value theory, I see no value in a theory unless it fits an observation. So, let's look at the Casimir effect in this context. The evidence for the theoretical idea

Re: [Vo]:'Slow' arcing electrons can gain relativistic mass

2013-05-17 Thread Edmund Storms
Understanding the word spontaneous is essential. This means that a material, to which no energy is applied, suddenly decides to get hot on one side while getting cold on the other. This would be an example of a spontaneous concentration of energy. This simply does not happen. Of course,

RE: [Vo]:Nickel Aluminum (NiAl)

2013-05-17 Thread MarkI-ZeroPoint
Ed: Two things... 1. I don't think Fran's explanation adequately explained the Casimir effect... (sorry Fran). Theory posits that the vacuum is made up of almost an infinite range of frequencies (some have proposed a cutoff frequency, probably approaching the Plank frequency). Closely spaced,

Re: [Vo]:'Slow' arcing electrons can gain relativistic mass

2013-05-17 Thread pagnucco
Ed, Don't many (most) LENR experiments use outside energy stimuli? As far as concentration, nanostructures can concentrate currents (see [1] ), electric fields (see Axil's many postings), or magnetic fields (see [2]) enormously, with currents and fields available from simple lab equipment. How

Re: [Vo]:Nickel Aluminum (NiAl)

2013-05-17 Thread Andy Findlay
Hi Mark, Possible typo alert: I think you meant to say 'wavelengths', not 'frequencies'. Andy. On 17/05/13 18:22, MarkI-ZeroPoint wrote: Closely spaced, parallel conducting plates will ONLY exclude vacuum frequencies LARGER than the spacing between the plates.

RE: [Vo]:Nickel Aluminum (NiAl)

2013-05-17 Thread MarkI-ZeroPoint
Yes, **wavelengths** larger (=lower frequencies) than the plate spacing will be excluded... Thx for the correction Andy! -m -Original Message- From: Andy Findlay [mailto:andy_find...@orange.net] Sent: Friday, May 17, 2013 11:25 AM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: [Vo]:Nickel Aluminum

Re: [Vo]:Nickel Aluminum (NiAl)

2013-05-17 Thread Harry Veeder
Assuming the casimir force is the best explanation of the observed force on the plates, wouldn't the vacuum energy produce a drag on all moving bodies? Harry On Fri, May 17, 2013 at 1:22 PM, MarkI-ZeroPoint zeropo...@charter.netwrote: Ed: Two things... 1. I don't think Fran's explanation

Re: [Vo]:'Slow' arcing electrons can gain relativistic mass

2013-05-17 Thread Axil Axil
A polariton is a unique and special hybrid of light and the electron. A polariton can be stimulated into lazing, which means it can form a Bose-Einstein condensate (BEC). See my post: Polariton lasers. The polariton is light that carries negative electric charge. When polaritons

Re: [Vo]:Nickel Aluminum (NiAl)

2013-05-17 Thread Edmund Storms
Thanks Mark, this is making more sense. But I have a few more questions. I'm sure all of these issues have been addressed. I assume the radiation is normal photon radiation, but at a higher frequency than is normally encountered. When such radiation passes through a material, the

Re: [Vo]:'Slow' arcing electrons can gain relativistic mass

2013-05-17 Thread Edmund Storms
Axil, if this process actually can initiate a nuclear reaction, why do nuclear reactions not occur when these polaritons are made? Why are certain materials treated to certain very novel conditions required to cause CF? There appears to be no connection between the conditions required to

Re: [Vo]:'Slow' arcing electrons can gain relativistic mass

2013-05-17 Thread Axil Axil
LENR requires a concentration of polaritons that is challenging to produce when random processes are at play. First, heat maintained at a sufficient level must be available in the system. Next, an ideal mix of micro and nano-particles of the proper sizes must be used in the system that

Re: [Vo]:'Slow' arcing electrons can gain relativistic mass

2013-05-17 Thread Harry Veeder
From the standpoint of CoE every spontaneous emission is just a delayed stimulated emission. If it were possible transfer energy without doing work to produce a spontaneous emission at a later time then entropy would decrease. The spontaneous creation of energy would also decrease entropy. harry

Re: [Vo]:'Slow' arcing electrons can gain relativistic mass

2013-05-17 Thread Edmund Storms
On May 17, 2013, at 1:39 PM, Axil Axil wrote: LENR requires a concentration of polaritons that is challenging to produce when random processes are at play. First, heat maintained at a sufficient level must be available in the system. What temperature? LENR works near room

Re: [Vo]:'Slow' arcing electrons can gain relativistic mass

2013-05-17 Thread Axil Axil
Ed Storms states: What temperature? LENR works near room temperature. Axil Responds: In the Ni/H reactor, the startup temperature is about 60C to 80C. Ed Storms states: No evidence exists that a large number of nano particles are present during LENR, although a few are always present

RE: [Vo]:Nickel Aluminum (NiAl)

2013-05-17 Thread MarkI-ZeroPoint
Yes, it's called inertia. Bernie Haisch and Alfonso Rueda derived it (F=ma), and published it in Physical Revue A in 1994. -mark From: Harry Veeder [mailto:hveeder...@gmail.com] Sent: Friday, May 17, 2013 11:44 AM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: [Vo]:Nickel Aluminum (NiAl) Assuming

Re: [Vo]:'Slow' arcing electrons can gain relativistic mass

2013-05-17 Thread pagnucco
Ed, Thanks for your reply. Your statement may be correct. I am looking for overlooked explanations for paradoxical LENR experiments. The Feynman Lecture reference I cited at the start of this thread shows that electrons in electric arcs can pick up significant linear momentum as current is

RE: [Vo]:Nickel Aluminum (NiAl)

2013-05-17 Thread MarkI-ZeroPoint
Hi Ed, I want to extend a sincere thank you for engaging the inquisitive minds here and helping to focus some of the discussions. I have been too busy to participate in what have been some very good exchanges, and fortunately too busy so as to avoid others! ;-) Most of the regular-posting

[Vo]:Watson computer application example

2013-05-17 Thread Jed Rothwell
Click on the video here to see Watson in action: http://www.slate.com/blogs/moneybox/2013/05/17/watson_oncology_diagnostic_medicine_without_the_doctor.html You can see this is similar to today's computer, but so much larger, faster and more capable it is verging on something new. I think this

Re: [Vo]:Watson computer application example

2013-05-17 Thread James Bowery
Actually Universal Artificial Intelligencehttp://www.amazon.com/Universal-Artificial-Intelligence-Algorithmic-Probability/dp/3540221395is a field of study that has rigorously proven that in a computable http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Computability universe, intelligence is precisely measured as the

RE: [Vo]:Nickel Aluminum (NiAl)

2013-05-17 Thread MarkI-ZeroPoint
Let's put some numbers to it... From Dr. Milonni's YouTube presentation: F = ((pi^2)*hbar*c) / (240d^4) (force per unit area, Casimir original derivation in 1948) F = 0.013 dyne for 1cm square plates separated by 1um. Which is comparable to the Coulomb force on the electron in the H atom.

RE: [Vo]:Nickel Aluminum (NiAl)

2013-05-17 Thread Jones Beene
Mark, A force is provocative -- but a dynamic effect is what we want to see for free energy. Recently, the DCE or dynamical Casimir effect has been shown to be real http://phys.org/news/2013-03-nihilo-dynamical-casimir-effect-metamaterial.ht ml Is it only a matter of time... ? -Original

Re: [Vo]:'Slow' arcing electrons can gain relativistic mass

2013-05-17 Thread Axil Axil
http://www.brillouinenergy.com/docs.php?doc=phase_2_data The results of the Ni/H system is disappointing. The COP is still under 2. Brillouin Energy still fails to incorporate the lessons learned from other Ni/H reactors to increase their power gain. There may be many roads to LENR, some more

RE: [Vo]:Nickel Aluminum (NiAl)

2013-05-17 Thread MarkI-ZeroPoint
Agreed, and it *is* only a matter of time... but can they please hurry up since I want to see it happen! -m -Original Message- From: Jones Beene [mailto:jone...@pacbell.net] Sent: Friday, May 17, 2013 4:13 PM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: RE: [Vo]:Nickel Aluminum (NiAl) Mark, A