[Vo]:Debye temperature and LENR

2013-07-24 Thread Alain Sepeda
Can someone explain me what could be the link between Debye temperature and LENR. It is said tha this temperature match athe maximum energy level of normal phonons... So when Defkalion said that the minimum temperature is Debye temp, it imply that abnormal phonons energy level are required ? I

[Vo]:Self-sustaining Defkalion

2013-07-24 Thread Sunil Shah
Why-oh-why don't they have a heat engine on the output? (Or heat pump + heat engine.) With roughly 10 kW out, I'm quite sure it wouldn't be impossible to create the necessary 220 VAC @ 2.5 kW input. Just switch over from Mains when the reactor is fairly stable @ COP=4. What can I say. : (

Re: [Vo]:Debye temperature and LENR

2013-07-24 Thread Axil Axil
http://www.nature.com/nnano/journal/v8/n5/full/nnano.2013.69.html?WT.ec_id=NNANO-201305 Direct observation and dynamics of spontaneous skyrmion-like magnetic domains in a ferromagnet The skyrmion-like magnetic domains appear as clusters above the Curie temperature. We found that the repeated

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2013-07-24 Thread Alain Sepeda
on his blog, Matt lewans report what Defkalion CTO said http://matslew.wordpress.com/2013/07/24/comments-on-defkalion-reactor-demo-in-milan/ according to CTO John Hadjichristos there are HUGE magnetic fields inside the reactor as a result of the reaction, in the order of 1 Tesla if I remember

Re: [Vo]:Self-sustaining Defkalion

2013-07-24 Thread Peter Gluck
Dear Sunil, judge realisically, they are stillo under way and going very fast. I have personal experience in RD nd I feel empathy for them and I understand that not everything can be perfect at once, Peter On Wed, Jul 24, 2013 at 9:09 AM, Sunil Shah s.u.n@hotmail.com wrote: Why-oh-why

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2013-07-24 Thread Daniel Rocha
Yiannis said this concerning the mismatch between HV measurement: For the HV power:one had to calculate also its duty cycle (approx 20%). There were some mistakes done during this demo (at conditions never before experienced). The most serious was done by the observer Matts Lawen who caused a

Re: [Vo]:Rossi Replication

2013-07-24 Thread Peter Gluck
The details are secret but the technological principles as *make hydrogen active and nickel reactive* were published by DGT and on my blog. The devil is in the details indeed but the angel is in the basic principles. Peter On Wed, Jul 24, 2013 at 12:40 AM, James Bowery jabow...@gmail.com wrote:

Re: [Vo]:Defkalion Green Technologies - English Demo

2013-07-24 Thread David Roberson
You bring up an interesting point Robin. Does anyone know of the exact location of the Tout test point? I am wondering whether this is measuring the temperature of a metallic path to the device or just the water outlet. My suspicion is that the water is being ejected from the cooling tube by

Re: [Vo]:Forbes LENR Coverage

2013-07-24 Thread David Roberson
The timing of this action speaks volumes to me. I hope this is not indicative of what we can expect to see in the future. Mark[mg], I wish you well and thank you for your brave reporting about a subject that apparently hits some raw nerves. Dave -Original Message- From: Jones

Re: [Vo]:Forbes LENR Coverage

2013-07-24 Thread Peter Gluck
Dear Mark, You are always (and now especially) welcome with an guest editorial on the Blog Ego Out. However I predict you are only a temporary martyr of the LENR oppression. Truth will triumph. Peter On Wed, Jul 24, 2013 at 5:11 PM, David Roberson dlrober...@aol.com wrote: The timing of this

Re: [Vo]:Ni 61 does not react. (Ideas why this would be?)

2013-07-24 Thread David Roberson
Axil, where did you see reference to the DGT device magnetic fields causing disruptions to nearby equipment? That would be extremely important if true. Dave -Original Message- From: Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Wed, Jul 24, 2013 1:25 am

Re: [Vo]:Self-sustaining Defkalion

2013-07-24 Thread David Roberson
It would be a bit more tricky than what you imagine. Matching the exact power output with the required input would take quite a lot of extra effort and energy storage. Think of a balancing act. Dave -Original Message- From: Sunil Shah s.u.n@hotmail.com To: vortex-l

RE: [Vo]: magnetic field, plasmons and Zeeman

2013-07-24 Thread Jones Beene
It's too bad that this putative magnetic field was not shown with a magnetometer. Many physicists would have considered a large magnetic field to be better proof than the heat. actually FAR BETTER proof in the unusual combination, since it would validate a more nebulous thermal gain with an

Re: [Vo]:Ni 61 does not react. (Ideas why this would be?)

2013-07-24 Thread David Roberson
Inquiring minds want to hear more! Dave -Original Message- From: Alan Fletcher a...@well.com To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Wed, Jul 24, 2013 1:34 am Subject: Re: [Vo]:Ni 61 does not react. (Ideas why this would be?) From: Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com Sent: Tuesday, July

Re: [Vo]:Ni 61 does not react. (Ideas why this would be?)

2013-07-24 Thread David Roberson
Good point Eric. But keep in mind that a Faraday shield would not stop a magnetic field. They can eliminate electrostatic fields, but not magnetic ones unless the field is at a very high frequency. This is an important piece of the puzzle if true. Dave -Original Message- From:

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2013-07-24 Thread David Roberson
I find this an interesting subject to pursue. Another possibility is that there is some form of magnetic feedback of a positive nature. In this case, a small region of magnetic field causes a larger field to be generated by its interaction and so on until a very large one appears which might

Re: [Vo]: magnetic field, plasmons and Zeeman

2013-07-24 Thread David Roberson
I recall seeing Mats connecting the ground of his scope to the center pin on occasions. He appeared to perform this test with a loop available which would intercept any magnetic fields passing by the area. I used to do this type of measurement to search for RF fields that would induce a

RE: [Vo]: magnetic field, plasmons and Zeeman

2013-07-24 Thread Roarty, Francis X
Jones, nice factoid, I never considered ionic current of hydrogen in redundant ground states (which have accentuated magnetic properties due to inverse square) would result in huge magnetic fields. Defkalion clearly has a thermal gradient between the material warmed by heaters and the area

Re: [Vo]:Ni 61 does not react. (Ideas why this would be?)

2013-07-24 Thread Teslaalset
The magnetic fields may be very high frequent which will cause eddy currents in the shielding plates, creating counter magnetic fields, resulting in strongly reduced magnetic interference. In that sence shielding will work. Op woensdag 24 juli 2013 schreef David Roberson (dlrober...@aol.com) het

Re: [Vo]: magnetic field, plasmons and Zeeman

2013-07-24 Thread ChemE Stewart
I use a couple of magnetometer apps for my iPhone. One even logs data for emailing and running FFTs in Excel SensorScope for IPhone MagnetMeter It goes wild during thunderstorms. Stewart On Wednesday, July 24, 2013, Jones Beene wrote: It’s too bad that this putative magnetic field was not

RE: [Vo]: magnetic field, plasmons and Zeeman

2013-07-24 Thread Jones Beene
Most interesting Stewart, since someone present may have actually documented the magnetic field from a known (estimated) distance, thus allowing a decent calculation of the internal field. This is reminiscent of the streaking asteroid in Russia recently - which was caught on hundreds of dash cams

Re: [Vo]:Ni 61 does not react. (Ideas why this would be?)

2013-07-24 Thread Axil Axil
John H stated that these DGT device magnetic fields will cause disruptions to nearby equipment in the demo introduction on Tuesday. On Wed, Jul 24, 2013 at 10:16 AM, David Roberson dlrober...@aol.com wrote: Axil, where did you see reference to the DGT device magnetic fields causing

Re: [Vo]: magnetic field, plasmons and Zeeman

2013-07-24 Thread ChemE Stewart
Very easy to do. The app has to be running to collect data and measures uT mag fields in x, y z. You then email the data file to a PC. Excel has a FFT data analysis add-in library to run the spectrum analysis. Also logs gravitational acceleration in x,y,z just in case that thing is warping

RE: [Vo]: magnetic field, plasmons and Zeeman

2013-07-24 Thread Jones Beene
The hydrogen molecule is usually diamagnetic and that would be in the s-orbital state. It would be interesting to know - even without invoking f/H or the Mills' hydrino, if the p-orbital state of molecular hydrogen has enhanced magnetic susceptibility or not. Logic would seem to dictate that it

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2013-07-24 Thread James Bowery
Why a Faraday cage when Faraday cages do not block magnetic, but electromagnetic, phenomena? On Wed, Jul 24, 2013 at 5:07 AM, Alain Sepeda alain.sep...@gmail.comwrote: on his blog, Matt lewans report what Defkalion CTO said

Re: [Vo]:Ni 61 does not react. (Ideas why this would be?)

2013-07-24 Thread James Bowery
It doesn't make sense to call them magnetic rather than electromagnetic fields if the variation in the magnetic field is rapid. Moreover, a mere magnetic field is not going to disrupt electronics in general -- its EM fields that do that. On Wed, Jul 24, 2013 at 9:55 AM, Teslaalset

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2013-07-24 Thread Axil Axil
If memory serves without going back to the demo archives, John H said that the iron outer box was part of the EMF containment system. Wouldn’t an iron box shield magnetism? On Wed, Jul 24, 2013 at 11:51 AM, James Bowery jabow...@gmail.com wrote: Why a Faraday cage when Faraday cages do not

RE: [Vo]:Ni 61 does not react. (Ideas why this would be?)

2013-07-24 Thread Jones Beene
-Original Message- From: mix...@bigpond.com Brad Lowe: It was reported that the nickel isotopes all react, except that Ni 61 does not react. (Ideas why this would be?) 61Ni is the only naturally occurring NI isotope with odd spin (and hence a nuclear magnetic moment). The more logical

Re: [Vo]:Ni 61 does not react. (Ideas why this would be?)

2013-07-24 Thread David Roberson
Near fields behave quite a bit differently than far fields. You can have a near field with a magnetic component that is far higher than that of a standard electromagnetic radiation condition. This seemed strange when I first encountered it, but made a lot of sense after looking into the

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2013-07-24 Thread Teslaalset
Copy of my response elsewhere: The magnetic fields may be very high frequent which will cause eddy currents in the shielding plates, creating counter magnetic fields, resulting in strongly reduced magnetic interference. In that sence shielding will work. Op woensdag 24 juli 2013 schreef Axil

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2013-07-24 Thread David Roberson
I believe this is true in many cases Axil. The external magnetic flux components would be diverted to travel within the strongly magnetic material and around things within that box. There are special metals that are used for this purpose in sensitive systems. Dave -Original

Re: [Vo]:Ni 61 does not react. (Ideas why this would be?)

2013-07-24 Thread David Roberson
The plasma control technique used by DGT appears to be quite a bit different than what Rossi is doing with his device. We should all be excited to find that there are several different techniques that yield excess heat. Dave -Original Message- From: Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net

Re: [Vo]:Ni 61 does not react. (Ideas why this would be?)

2013-07-24 Thread Axil Axil
There might well be a LENR reaction strength component to this even isotope issue. The DGT reactor might well produce a stronger reaction intensity that can crack upon open the Ni58 and Ni60 isotopes that the weaker Rossi reaction cannot do. If a reactor with a stronger reaction is invented,

Re: [Vo]:Ni 61 does not react. (Ideas why this would be?)

2013-07-24 Thread Axil Axil
You can bet your eye teeth that Rossi et al are trying to duplicate the spark control mechanism that DGT is currently demonstrating. In this LENR activation area, DGT is ahead in the LENR technology race and Rossi wants it badly. It reminds me of what the competition was like between Jobs and

Re: [Vo]:Ni 61 does not react. (Ideas why this would be?)

2013-07-24 Thread ChemE Stewart
And HP Dell ended up selling the most PC's... I predict this quantum rabbit is just beginning to multiply Stewart On Wed, Jul 24, 2013 at 1:48 PM, Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com wrote: You can bet your eye teeth that Rossi et al are trying to duplicate the spark control mechanism that DGT is

RE: [Vo]:Ni 61 does not react. (Ideas why this would be?)

2013-07-24 Thread Jones Beene
From: David Roberson The plasma control technique used by DGT appears to be quite a bit different than what Rossi is doing with his device. We should all be excited to find that there are several different techniques that yield excess heat.

Re: [Vo]:Forbes LENR Coverage

2013-07-24 Thread blaze spinnaker
Well, at least you went out with a bang! On Tue, Jul 23, 2013 at 8:23 PM, Mark Gibbs mgi...@gibbs.com wrote: Ladies and Gentlemen, Following my last post to my blog on Forbes ( http://www.forbes.com/sites/markgibbs/2013/07/23/defkalion-demonstrates-lenr-live-right-now/) my tenure with that

Re: [Vo]:Ni 61 does not react. (Ideas why this would be?)

2013-07-24 Thread Eric Walker
Point taken about the Faraday cage (I have not heard the original reference, so I am going on hearsay). After I thought about it, I suspect any shielding would be for low-level x-ray and gamma radiation rather than to protect electronics. Eric On Jul 24, 2013, at 7:19, David Roberson

[Vo]:FYI, patent issued

2013-07-24 Thread DJ Cravens
Just since some here might like to know. I was just issued a patent ( http://www.patentgenius.com/patent/8485791.html ) (This makes 6 useless CF patents for me . But the point is it can be done, but that by the time they get through the PTO, what is left is gutted beyond recognition) It is

RE: [Vo]:Ni 61 does not react. (Ideas why this would be?)

2013-07-24 Thread DJ Cravens
The grounded thick stainless steel container, mu metal, and outer metal insulated box should act as a cage for the Defkalion demo. I expect there was EMI from their HV supply D2 Subject: Re: [Vo]:Ni 61 does not react. (Ideas why this would be?) From: eric.wal...@gmail.com Date: Wed, 24 Jul

[Vo]:Wired UK on Defkalion and ICCF18

2013-07-24 Thread Alan Fletcher
http://www.wired.co.uk/news/archive/2013-07/24/cold-fusion/viewgallery/306439 ... Mats Lewan acted as an independent observer of the Defkalion demonstration; he gives a full account on his blog. His view is that is appears to be genuine, producing 5.5 kilowatts of heat from a 2.7-kilowatt

[Vo]:wired UK cover ICCF18 and Defkalion tes

2013-07-24 Thread Alain Sepeda
wired UK cover ICCF18 and Defkalion test, quite negatively but not too much http://www.wired.co.uk/news/archive/2013-07/24/cold-fusion

Re: [Vo]:Wired UK on Defkalion and ICCF18

2013-07-24 Thread James Bowery
The name should either be FPP (scientific name) or CF (colloquial name). Not enough is known about the FPP at present to limit the phenomenon to even condensed matter. Until nuclear products are accepted by the wider scientific community, nor is low energy nuclear reaction a good scientific

Re: [Vo]:wired UK cover ICCF18 and Defkalion tes

2013-07-24 Thread Alan Fletcher
From: Alain Sepeda alain.sep...@gmail.com Sent: Wednesday, July 24, 2013 2:06:19 PM wired UK cover ICCF18 and Defkalion test, quite negatively but not too much Given the recent job security (not a conspiracy theory of course) .. I'd hedge my bets too.

Re: [Vo]:Mats Lewan's comments on Defkalion reactor demo in Milan

2013-07-24 Thread Jed Rothwell
Alan Fletcher a...@well.com wrote: We had the fortune to be in direct Skype chat contact with Mats Lewin during the experiment and it was definitely live, we were able to ask Mats to pose questions . . . I heard about that after it happened. The MFMP people have a good impression. I was

Re: [Vo]:Mats Lewan's comments on Defkalion reactor demo in Milan

2013-07-24 Thread Daniel Rocha
Why do you claim that Defkalion did not have extensive 3rd party tests? -- Daniel Rocha - RJ danieldi...@gmail.com

Re: [Vo]:Mats Lewan's comments on Defkalion reactor demo in Milan

2013-07-24 Thread Alan Fletcher
From: Daniel Rocha danieldi...@gmail.com Sent: Wednesday, July 24, 2013 3:50:50 PM Why do you claim that Defkalion did not have extensive 3rd party tests? They announced them (back when they had a blog), and they released one inconclusive report (with redacted names), ISTR with some

Re: [Vo]:Mats Lewan's comments on Defkalion reactor demo in Milan

2013-07-24 Thread Alan Fletcher
They announced them (back when they had a blog), and they released one inconclusive report (with redacted names), ISTR with some gummint-lab related people acting on their own behalf. Listed here : October 22, 2012 :

[Vo]:A post attempts to ask Dr. Mills about Defkalion, and disappears

2013-07-24 Thread OrionWorks - Steven Vincent Johnson
Earlier today I got the following eMail post from Dr. Mill's Yahoo SocietyforCalssicalPhysics group. Someone queried Dr. Mills about the following: Dr. Mills, What is your take on the Defkalion demo that was put on-line? Is BLP

Re: [Vo]:Mats Lewan's comments on Defkalion reactor demo in Milan

2013-07-24 Thread Daniel Rocha
You underestimate them! ;) 2013/7/24 Alan Fletcher a...@well.com They announced them (back when they had a blog), and they released one inconclusive report (with redacted names), ISTR with some gummint-lab related people acting on their own behalf. Listed here : October 22, 2012 :

Re: [Vo]:Mats Lewan's comments on Defkalion reactor demo in Milan

2013-07-24 Thread James Bowery
So you have inside information that is not an estimate but a measurement? On Wed, Jul 24, 2013 at 7:32 PM, Daniel Rocha danieldi...@gmail.com wrote: You underestimate them! ;) 2013/7/24 Alan Fletcher a...@well.com They announced them (back when they had a blog), and they released one

[Vo]:TerraPower most likely won’t be pursuing is fusion

2013-07-24 Thread James Bowery
One nuclear technology that TerraPower most likely won’t be pursuing is fusion. “I have a soft spot in my heart for fusion, *having run the ITER program*and things like that, but it’s something I can’t count on for my grandchildren,” said Gilleland, whose background includes having served as U.S.

[Vo]:Re: [Vo]:TerraPower most likely won’t be pursuing is fusion

2013-07-24 Thread Terry Blanton
Does he say why he can't count on ITER?

Re: [Vo]:Mats Lewan's comments on Defkalion reactor demo in Milan

2013-07-24 Thread Jed Rothwell
Daniel Rocha danieldi...@gmail.com wrote: Why do you claim that Defkalion did not have extensive 3rd party tests? Perhaps they have. I do not have any information on this, or any test results. Perhaps they have had tests under NDAs. - Jed

Re: [Vo]:Ni 61 does not react. (Ideas why this would be?)

2013-07-24 Thread mixent
In reply to Jones Beene's message of Wed, 24 Jul 2013 09:39:38 -0700: Hi, -Original Message- From: mix...@bigpond.com Brad Lowe: It was reported that the nickel isotopes all react, except that Ni 61 does not react. (Ideas why this would be?) 61Ni is the only naturally occurring NI

Re: [Vo]:Mats Lewan's comments on Defkalion reactor demo in Milan

2013-07-24 Thread Eric Walker
On Wed, Jul 24, 2013 at 8:11 PM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote: Perhaps they have. I do not have any information on this, or any test results. Perhaps they have had tests under NDAs. I recall claims to the effect that they have some big partnerships underway or under the works.

Re: [Vo]:Mats Lewan's comments on Defkalion reactor demo in Milan

2013-07-24 Thread Eric Walker
Alan Fletcher quoted MFMP: We had the fortune to be in direct Skype chat contact with Mats Lewin during the experiment and it was definitely live, we were able to ask Mats to pose questions, challenges and do additional testing during the run and saw near real time responses including watching

[Vo]:Debye temperature of Palladium

2013-07-24 Thread H Veeder
Since exceeding the Debye temperature of nickel appears to be necessary to produce heat from Ni-H systems, I was wondering if the Debye temperature of palladium must be exceeded too in Pd systems. I did a search for the Debye of temperature of palladium and found this abstract from 1966:

[Vo]:Defkalion's promise was respected

2013-07-24 Thread Peter Gluck
My dear friends, I have just published: http://egooutpeters.blogspot.ro/2013/07/defkalion-has-kept-its-promise.html Good news coming... Peter -- Dr. Peter Gluck Cluj, Romania http://egooutpeters.blogspot.com

Re: [Vo]:Defkalion's promise was respected

2013-07-24 Thread blaze spinnaker
Very well said, Peter. I think it's easy to underestimate how intimidating it is to go on a globally streamed demonstration like this in front of your peers and to do that well unless you are deeply confident in what you are showing. Anyways, I do agree however that this was a demo and not a