seems good description, but I would add a 5th category of target, probably
not targeted because scientist talk naturally to scientists.
-5 industrialists and their engineers, looking for opportunities
It is the only useful target in my opinion.
mainstream scientists will never accept newly
So to continue this line of arithmetic, we have a factor of 10 gain to
explain. First of all let's get rid of the Stefan Boltzmann amplification
of error by taking the fourth root of 10:
10^(1/4)
= 1.7782794
That means if we're looking for error as the source of the gain, we have to
plausibly
Erratum: luminosity should read photon flux
On Fri, May 24, 2013 at 11:16 AM, James Bowery jabow...@gmail.com wrote:
So to continue this line of arithmetic, we have a factor of 10 gain to
explain. First of all let's get rid of the Stefan Boltzmann amplification
of error by taking the
On Fri, May 24, 2013 at 9:16 AM, James Bowery jabow...@gmail.com wrote:
So if we're looking for errors in power measurement, we need to be most
concerned about frequencies below the IR. The problem for those of us who
want to find error in the measure is that the peak is in the camera's
I wrote:
I believe Lubos Motl proposed somewhere that the E-Cat HT surface is not
well-approximated by a blackbody and that the true emissivity is likely to
be T^(4+d), where 0 d 1; i.e., that in the worst case scenario there
will be ~T^5 relationship between temperature and power rather
Here's what Motl says about it:
The emissivity is set to one i.e. they assume the reactor to be a black
body. This choice is labeled conservative. Except that the truth seems to
be going exactly in the opposite direction. The actual emissivity is lower
than one and it's the coefficient
On Wed, May 22, 2013 at 2:44 PM, Robert Lynn robert.gulliver.l...@gmail.com
wrote:
Point is that it looks like it might be possible to hide additional
electrical power supply within what the testers looked at, and we don't
have enough information from the testers to check on all of these
On Wed, May 22, 2013 at 1:33 PM, Andrew andrew...@att.net wrote:
**
Since the experimenters walked up to the experiment *after* it had been
turned on, we don't know for sure whether the existing cabling was used to
impart the RF, or a separate kickstart cable.
There were three runs. The
I wrote:
Lubos Motl does not appear to be drawing a distinction between TeX and
LaTeX; he is drawing a distinction between TeX/LaTeX, on one hand, and a
simple PDF typed up in a normal word processor, on the other. Presumably
the former would be the expected form of submission to a mainstream
From: Eric Walker eric.wal...@gmail.com
Sent: Wednesday, May 22, 2013 11:00:43 PM
Alan (or someone) made the point that everything, laptop and all,
were plugged into the same power supply. Would hidden DC or AC above
or below the range of the meter hurt the laptop?
That was me -- and only a
From: Eric Walker eric.wal...@gmail.com
Sent: Thursday, May 23, 2013 12:16:55 AM
I wrote:
Lubos Motl does not appear to be drawing a distinction between TeX
and LaTeX; he is drawing a distinction between TeX/LaTeX, on one
hand, and a simple PDF typed up in a normal word processor, on the
Original Message
Subject:Fwd: Re: [Vo]:Levi Hot Cat paper is a gem
Date: Thu, 23 May 2013 10:20:27 -0700
From: Duncan Cumming spacedr...@cumming.info
To: vortex-l-requ...@eskimo.com
I am acting as devils advocate here for a minute.
Had the demo been
Have a bit more of a think about it Jed, IR laser beams wouldn't need to be
any more intense than the heat being radiated by the E-cat. In fact by
shining in from multiple directions they could be less intense than the
emitted heat from the E-cat (like concentrating relatively diffuse sunlight
to
Duncan Cumming spacedr...@cumming.info wrote:
Power measurement was done using a wide band 3 phase power meter, a
notoriously difficult instrument to use. A slight slackening of one of the
current sensing clamps . . .
This would be detected during the calibration with a resistor, and again
On Thu, May 23, 2013 at 9:35 AM, Alan Fletcher a...@well.com wrote:
Another reason to think they do not intend to submit for publication
in a reputable scientific journal -- they cite Wikipedia (ref. 8, at
the end).
Lordy, lordy -- it's firgin diagram -- a compilation of generally
I found the major error:
The peak wavelength is in the infrared -- as it is with the sun -- and I
intuitively thought that the fact that much of the surface was bright red
thru yellow meant my picking dull red (700nm) was conservative. This
then fed via Wien's law proportionately into the fourth
Robert Lynn robert.gulliver.l...@gmail.com wrote:
As for the other; are you seriously disputing that 2kW of AC electrical
power could be sent through those wires to the Ecat?
2 kW is not a problem, although modern US safety standards limit power to
1.5 kW. What they cannot do is send enough
Rossi writes on his blog about Arxiv, peer reviewing, why that report is
not going to be published on a magazine [not a journal], but something
derived from it could/will.
May 22nd, 2013 at 4:30 PM
Dear Paolo,
I read the article on Repubblica, is sincere and honest, but contains some
Actually, this is something I noticed in arxiv, pre prints of people
outside theoretical physics, have the appearance of being done in word
processors. They are later edited to the final form in journals.
2013/5/22 Eric Walker eric.wal...@gmail.com
On Tue, May 21, 2013 at 8:56 AM, Michele
So in a sense the elimination of fakes is cumulative.
Bear in mind that when Rossi says he has something he tends to follow up on it.
(Maybe not exactly as promised, but close to it).
Let's accept for the moment the OUTPUT analysis : it DOES produce the
documented COP.
Electrical INPUT is a
and how ?
Arnaud
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From: Alan Fletcher [mailto:a...@well.com]
Sent: mercredi 22 mai 2013 09:00
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Levi Hot Cat paper is a gem
So in a sense the elimination of fakes is cumulative.
Bear in mind that when Rossi says he has
]
Sent: mercredi 22 mai 2013 09:00
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Levi Hot Cat paper is a gem
So in a sense the elimination of fakes is cumulative.
Bear in mind that when Rossi says he has something he tends to follow up
on it.
(Maybe not exactly as promised, but close
. They are not looking very good at the moment, are they?
The fly in the ointment is that the calibration run worked.
Andrew
- Original Message -
From: Patrick Ellul
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Wednesday, May 22, 2013 1:06 AM
Subject: RE: [Vo]:Levi Hot Cat paper is a gem
Just
I think that there is plenty enough benefit that Rossi has a good paying job.
He does not need to make millions out of it, but it is plenty enough that he
receives enough capital for adequate living standards.
There are plenty other similar hoaxes such as BLP, Steorn and Inteligentry who
are
On Tue, May 21, 2013 at 9:58 PM, David Roberson dlrober...@aol.com wrote:
The ECAT is made of metal if I recall correctly
I thought the first test used a ceramic.
Darn, gotta read it again.
It's steel (with different steel end caps), inside corundum ceramic, inside
silicon nitride ceramic, with a coat of paint.
Andrew
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From: Terry Blanton hohlr...@gmail.com
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Wednesday, May 22, 2013 4:57 AM
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Levi Hot Cat
Jouni Valkonen wrote:
I think that there is plenty enough benefit that Rossi has a good
paying job. He does not need to make millions out of it, but it is
plenty enough that he receives enough capital for adequate living
standards.
This would be the world's worst way to make a living! Rossi has
From: Jed Rothwell
Jouni Valkonen wrote:
I think that there is plenty enough benefit that Rossi has a good paying
job. He does not need to make millions out of it, but it is plenty enough
that he receives enough capital for adequate living standards.
This would be the world's worst way
Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net wrote:
Plus, AR sold his biofuel company EON for about one million Euro and could
have retired comfortably to Miami on that income. This is a matter of
public record.
** **
Instead - he reinvests the proceeds of the EON sale into his project !
Does that
Mr. Cude? Perhaps he should
give us his point of view as it will be enlightening.
Dave
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From: Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com
To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Wed, May 22, 2013 12:53 pm
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Levi Hot Cat paper is a gem
Jones Beene jone
On Wed, May 22, 2013 at 10:49 AM, Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net wrote:
Plus, AR sold his biofuel company EON for about one million Euro and could
have retired comfortably to Miami on that income.
You can retire on $1.3M? Can you show me how? I think I need about $3M.
Depends upon your retirement age. :-) $100k will work if you are 90.
Dave
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From: Terry Blanton hohlr...@gmail.com
To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Wed, May 22, 2013 1:10 pm
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Levi Hot Cat paper is a gem
On Wed, May 22, 2013 at 10:49 AM, Jones
Excellent analysis, Jones. You have nailed the essential reason why
this is not a scam. Jed has done the same. Instead, Rossi is doing
what other people do all the time in all aspects of science and
commerce, but he is doing it under a microscope. Most similar efforts
are just as filled
To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com
Cc: Edmund Storms stor...@ix.netcom.com
Sent: Wed, May 22, 2013 1:13 pm
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Levi Hot Cat paper is a gem
Excellent analysis, Jones. You have nailed the essential reason why this is not
a scam. Jed has done the same. Instead, Rossi is doing what other people do
On Mon, May 20, 2013 at 9:09 PM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote:
They use Martin Fleischmann's favorite method of looking at the heat decay
curves when the power cycles off. Plot 5 clearly shows that the heat does
not decay according to Newton's law of cooling. There must be a heat
From: James Bowery jabow...@gmail.com
Sent: Wednesday, May 22, 2013 8:41:33 AM
p18 The electrical power to the dummy was handled by the same
control box, but without the ON/OFF
cycle of the resistor coils. Thus, the power applied to the dummy was
continuous
That would be fine if the
in a pulse width modulation mode
just as Rossi demonstrates. His waveforms shown in the third party test are
entirely consistent.
Dave
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From: Alan Fletcher a...@well.com
To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Wed, May 22, 2013 1:47 pm
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Levi Hot Cat
I sketched a tentative RC mesh model. It has at LEAST 30 resistors
(more than half non-linear) and 10 Capacitors.
I can do a zero'th order model with 2 linear resistors, a capacitor and a
non-linear resistor.
(I'd have to figure out how to do a T^4 model. Maybe a lookup table)
But I still
Electrical INPUT is a two-edged sword. It can be measured to 6
decimal places .. IF you do it correctly,
but if you don't cover ALL bases you might miss something.
(eg an AC-only meter might not notice DC, or HF AC beyond its spec).
I've come to the conclusion that the only way to overcome
Alan Fletcher a...@well.com wrote:
I've come to the conclusion that the only way to overcome the power-side
fake is to put a power conditioner between Rossi's power plug (maybe
miswired per Bryce etc, or with a DC component) and his control box.
That would do it. But the fact is, any $20 watt
-Original Message-
From: Alan Fletcher [mailto:a...@well.com]
Sent: mercredi 22 mai 2013 22:19
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Levi Hot Cat paper is a gem : power conditioner needed
Electrical INPUT is a two-edged sword. It can be measured to 6
decimal places .. IF you
It can be done. Give it a try and you might become convinced.
Dave
-Original Message-
From: Alan Fletcher a...@well.com
To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Wed, May 22, 2013 2:21 pm
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Levi Hot Cat paper is a gem
I sketched a tentative RC mesh model. It has
with the Swedes from someone who
understands the issues.
Andrew
- Original Message -
From: Jed Rothwell
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Wednesday, May 22, 2013 1:27 PM
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Levi Hot Cat paper is a gem : power conditioner needed
Alan Fletcher a...@well.com wrote
Andrew andrew...@att.net wrote:
There's a whole lot of detail about the input side that would benefit from
the light of day. What's required is an interview with the Swedes from
someone who understands the issues.
And who understands Swedish. Any volunteers?
- Jed
Talar ni Svenska. Not much, anyway.
- Original Message -
From: Jed Rothwell
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Wednesday, May 22, 2013 1:46 PM
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Levi Hot Cat paper is a gem : power conditioner needed
Andrew andrew...@att.net wrote:
There's a whole lot
On Wed, May 22, 2013 at 3:33 PM, Andrew andrew...@att.net wrote:
**
I doubt that Rossi would allow a power conditioner, because he himself
states that there is some initial RF powering going on to kickstart the
device.
You misunderstand:
The power conditioner would be placed between the
On Wed, May 22, 2013 at 3:27 PM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote:
...
I suggest you should stop fantasizing about this. Rossi did not take apart
the wall and install secret equipment that he turned on and then turned off
during the calibration. He did not find a way to send so much
James Bowery jabow...@gmail.com wrote:
There is value in pursuing reductio ad absurda when they engage one of the
strongest arguments that the demonstration is valid:
That the power input could not conceivably have produced the radiation
wavelengths observed.
You have mentioned that
I wrote:
That the power input could not conceivably have produced the radiation
wavelengths observed.
You have mentioned that several times. Can you please post a more detailed
discussion of that, with equations and examples?
I realize you challenged Mary Yugo and other skeptics to do this
Did anyone scope the the power in for 50Hz? Or allow the researchers to
choose any outlet? I imagine anything on the same heater circuit would fry
if someone tried to insert an extra 500 watts. A light bulb added to the
circuit would have detected additional power... or any decent UPS will
include
more relevant, and I suspect that they can be
set aside with the proper scrutiny.
Dave
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From: Andrew andrew...@att.net
To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Tue, May 21, 2013 9:27 pm
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Levi Hot Cat paper is a gem
Hey, I admit that's a bit far
Realistic speaking, to get a respectable scientists or engineers doing
formal peer review for a magazine is an impossible task right now. So, this
is a catch 22 problem to begin with.
2013/5/22 Brad Lowe ecatbuil...@gmail.com
Besides a circuit diagram showing all of the inputs, outputs, and
Robert Lynn robert.gulliver.l...@gmail.com wrote:
An IR laser wouldn't need to be intense, it/they could be spread out over a
wide beam/spot, not eye dangerous, and not particularly noticeable if you
weren't looking at it . . .
You are joking! I have seen lasers strike objects, such as the
I wrote:
You are joking! I have seen lasers strike objects, such as the items in a
cash register checkout line. You can't miss that. It is obvious. We have
all seen it.
Oops. You said infrared lasers. My mistake.
My other points hold. People would be burned and blinded.
It just isn't
Rossi would have had to design a world class electric fraud plan to
anticipate what equipment was going to be used in the test.
He did not know what the test plan was and could not know if this fraud
plan would cover every case and equipment configuration.
As a test plan developer myself, I
@eskimo.com
Sent: Tue, May 21, 2013 9:27 pm
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Levi Hot Cat paper is a gem
Hey, I admit that's a bit far out. But lasers can be straightforwardly
coerced into producing something that's not a spot, you know.
If there's foul play, my money is on the input side, frankly.
Andrew
q=eps*s*(Th^4-Tc^4)*A
q=eps*(2*pi*r^2+2*l*pi*r)*s*(Th^4-Tc^4) ; subst(2*pi*r^2+2*l*pi*r, A)
q=5.6703*10^-8*eps*(2*pi*r^2+2*l*pi*r)*(Th^4-Tc^4) ; subst(5.6703e-8, s)
q=5.6703*10^-8*eps*(0.11*l*pi+0.00605*pi)*(Th^4-Tc^4) ; subst(.055, r)
q=2.40137205*10^-9*eps*pi*(Th^4-Tc^4) ; subst(.33, l)
Erratum: Strike the So, what...
On Wed, May 22, 2013 at 5:53 PM, James Bowery jabow...@gmail.com wrote:
q=eps*s*(Th^4-Tc^4)*A
q=eps*(2*pi*r^2+2*l*pi*r)*s*(Th^4-Tc^4) ; subst(2*pi*r^2+2*l*pi*r, A)
q=5.6703*10^-8*eps*(2*pi*r^2+2*l*pi*r)*(Th^4-Tc^4) ; subst(5.6703e-8, s)
Erratum: I also left out the substitution step for room temperature:
360=2.40137205*10^-9*pi*(Th^4-6975757441) ; subst(289)
On Wed, May 22, 2013 at 5:53 PM, James Bowery jabow...@gmail.com wrote:
Erratum: Strike the So, what...
On Wed, May 22, 2013 at 5:53 PM, James Bowery
peak emission wavelength (λmax) = 5.9920696955297E-6 meter
or 6 micrometers
That is about the diameter of the Rossi micro-powder, could there be a
dipole blackbody resonant condition at work here? Of course there is!
On Wed, May 22, 2013 at 6:59 PM, James Bowery jabow...@gmail.com wrote:
One final erratum (hopefully): In the November run when the device
overheated to visible wavelengths, the input power was 1kW (p2), not 360W.
Therefore:
360=2.40137205*10^-9*pi*(Th^4-6975757441)
1000=2.40137205*10^-9*pi*(Th^4-6975757441) ; subst(1000, 360)
I can't resist:
What power level is required to get that device to barely enter the visible
wavelengths (700nm), again, assuming no losses other than black body?
again using http://www.ajdesigner.com/phpwien/wien_equation_t.php at 700nm:
blackbody temperature (T) = 4139.6692857143 kelvin
the heating
resistance is un powered.
Dave
-Original Message-
From: Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com
To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Mon, May 20, 2013 10:10 pm
Subject: [Vo]:Levi Hot Cat paper is a gem
I just read this paper for the third time. This is a gem
From Peter:
... (only Mary Yugo has surfaced till now, ...
Where? A link? What did she say?
Someone should start a thread pointing to what the Rossi skeptics, like
Cude, Yugo, or S. Krivit have decided to say about these latest
developments. I haven't been able to find anything. so far.
Comment on my blog to this most recent paper.
My answers to Mary
I wrote to Steve Krivit signalling this Report, no answer.
I sincerely fear this very talented journalist is depresed
obsessed, who knows...
Peter
On Tue, May 21, 2013 at 3:38 PM, OrionWorks - Steven Vincent Johnson
This is Krivit's reaction on the Forbes article:
Steven B. Krivit http://blogs.forbes.com/people/stevenbkrivit/9 hours ago
This is a partially independent measurement, performed on a device that was
built by and controlled by Rossi, and located in Rossi’s facility. The
measurement was performed
According to this they had to build a new E-cat from scratch
and test it on a continent where Rossi has no access
(Antarctica for example)
Hatred poisons the intellect, Krivit is really obsessed.
Peter
On Tue, May 21, 2013 at 4:13 PM, Patrick Ellul ellulpatr...@gmail.comwrote:
This is Krivit's
Gasp! Why this Cold Fusion thing is clearly some sort of conspiracy !!!
Chris, some 4 years ago you wrote something about Paul Feyerabend.
What would this philosopher say about the slogan of ICCF-18? I
need your help for a blog paper. if you want to help please write me in
private.
Peter
On Tue, May 21, 2013 at 4:25 PM, Chris Zell chrisz...@wetmtv.com wrote:
**
If there is an afterlife, Feyerabend might be laughing at anything that
suggests 'method' !
If I had the time and skills, I'd write a blog/book on what I call Atheist
Theology - a deliberate oxymoron.
If science is wholly based on reductionism and materialism, then it is
functionally
On 2013-05-21 04:09, Jed Rothwell wrote:
I just read this paper for the third time. This is a gem. [...]
Luboš Motl seems to think otherwise, but I think he's adopted an
excessively negative view probably due to personal bias against CF/LENR
in general:
It seems that by the table provided concerning the emissivity of metals,
dark materials are within .85 - .95% even at 1000C. So, the 10% error,
claimed by the paper, is accurate.
2013/5/21 Akira Shirakawa shirakawa.ak...@gmail.com
On 2013-05-21 04:09, Jed Rothwell wrote:
I just read this
2013/5/21 Akira Shirakawa shirakawa.ak...@gmail.com
http://motls.blogspot.com/**2013/05/tommaso-dorigo-**
impressed-by-cold-fusion.htmlhttp://motls.blogspot.com/2013/05/tommaso-dorigo-impressed-by-cold-fusion.html
Tommaso Dorigo is another apparently highly regarded skeptic who isn't
2013/5/21 Akira Shirakawa shirakawa.ak...@gmail.com
http://motls.blogspot.com/**2013/05/tommaso-dorigo-**
impressed-by-cold-fusion.htmlhttp://motls.blogspot.com/2013/05/tommaso-dorigo-impressed-by-cold-fusion.html
Tommaso Dorigo is another apparently highly regarded skeptic who isn't
I would shorten the title from
“Applying the Scientific Method to Understanding Anomalous Heat Effects:
Opportunities and Challenges.”
to
“Understanding Anomalous Heat Effects: Opportunities and Challenges.”
Harry
On Tue, May 21, 2013 at 9:33 AM, Peter Gluck peter.gl...@gmail.com wrote:
The original German title of Feyerabend's book is Wider den Methodenzwang.
Skizzen einer anarchistischen Erkenntnistheorie.
The standard English translation is Against Method. Outline Of An
Anarchist Theory of Knowledge
I have been told by someone who speaks German that a better translation is
On May 21, 2013, at 5:09 AM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote:
This is a gem.
Indeed. This paper proves that Mr. Krivit's criticism on bad calorimetry was
utterly false but Rossi has a method to import excess electricity into device
that does not register on measurements. I.e. he has
On May 21, 2013, at 8:41, Michele Comitini michele.comit...@gmail.com wrote:
I see they are starting to call themselves out as being not competent in the
field. Like saying they do not know. That's a good sign.
Someone should write a manual for walking back an extreme position. This move
On May 21, 2013, at 11:39, Jouni Valkonen jounivalko...@gmail.com wrote:
Rossi just keeps getting COP 6 with all his devices.
There were two main test runs. One achieved a COP of ~6 and the other, slightly
longer one, of ~3.
Eric
I dispute your COP 6 point. Dave Roberson has pointed out in a series
of posts that /in a thermally controlled heat generating reaction/ the
COP of 6 is about the best you can reliably aim for. Values above that
are too near thermal runaway, and of course lower COP is less
efficient.//A telling
http://motls.blogspot.com/2013/05/tommaso-dorigo-impressed-by-cold-fusion.htmlMotl's
critique seems to hinge on the actual output power being far less than the
estimate.He asserts that the actual emissivity is far less than unity, and so
it's reasonable to supposethat the actual output power is
Andrew andrew...@att.net wrote:
*Doesn't he have this backwards?* At constant output power, as the
emissivity reduces, output power
will apparently reduce, meaning that what is measured is progressively less
than what's actually output.
Yes, he has it backwards. Emissivity of 1 means the
Motl is a pretty racist guy saying all the Italians are part of the mafia
family.
Very offended.
Giovanni
On Tue, May 21, 2013 at 2:47 PM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote:
Andrew andrew...@att.net wrote:
*Doesn't he have this backwards?* At constant output power, as the emissivity
From: Andrew andrew...@att.net
Sent: Tuesday, May 21, 2013 12:16:45 PM
http://motls.blogspot.com/2013/05/tommaso-dorigo-impressed-by-cold-fusion.html
He also makes a big fuss about the convection being different between December
and March.
They ran at different temperatures, and were
this in
quantitatively?
Andrew
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From: Jed Rothwell
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Tuesday, May 21, 2013 12:47 PM
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Levi Hot Cat paper is a gem
Andrew andrew...@att.net wrote:
Doesn't he have this backwards? At constant output power, as the emissivity
Andrew andrew...@att.net wrote:
Since the supply powering the E-cat is off-limits, they measure only wall
power. That means that one could secrete a discrete power source inside the
supply box, and its power output would evade measurement. That's the input
hoax.
Mary Yugu suggested this,
-cold-fusion-reactor-independently-verified-has-1-times-the-energy-density-of-gas
Andrew
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From: Jed Rothwell
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Tuesday, May 21, 2013 1:32 PM
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Levi Hot Cat paper is a gem
Andrew andrew...@att.net wrote
Andrew andrew...@att.net wrote:
**
You're missing my point. A power meter looking at wall power is blind to
any internal power source in the box that directly supplies the device with
additional power.
What sort of internal power source?
A generator? That would noisy and obvious.
A
is fairly convensing. I have only had one thing glow
like that before and it did not last but 2 hours.
Oh would I love to know what is in that cylinder and what kind of frequencies,
etc were used.
Dennis
Date: Tue, 21 May 2013 16:53:20 -0400
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Levi Hot Cat paper is a gem
.
Andrew
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From: Jed Rothwell
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Tuesday, May 21, 2013 1:53 PM
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Levi Hot Cat paper is a gem
Andrew andrew...@att.net wrote:
You're missing my point. A power meter looking at wall power is blind to
any
The strongest technical argument for the veracity of this report is that
the power measured going into the device is 360W and that the way it was
measured was from the wall socket through an industry standard power
analyzer (PCE-830 Power and Harmonics Analyzer by PCE Instruments).
Detractors
My argument against what Motl claims (what I wrote on his post):
I think Lumo you are wrong on this issue of epsilon. The camera doesn't
know about temperatures but can measure power. If you use a higher epsilon
(1 being the highest) than the real one you are actually underestimating
the
]:Levi Hot Cat paper is a gem
The strongest technical argument for the veracity of this report is that the
power measured going into the device is 360W and that the way it was
measured was from the wall socket through an industry standard power
analyzer (PCE-830 Power and Harmonics Analyzer by PCE
Motl is deleting my comment, lol.
Funny
Giovanni
On Tue, May 21, 2013 at 4:37 PM, Giovanni Santostasi
gsantost...@gmail.comwrote:
My argument against what Motl claims (what I wrote on his post):
I think Lumo you are wrong on this issue of epsilon. The camera doesn't
know about
further that,
according to Randi, scientists are the most easily-fooled audience of all. Just
ask Geller and Taylor.
Andrew
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From: Giovanni Santostasi
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Tuesday, May 21, 2013 2:48 PM
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Levi Hot Cat paper is a gem
Motl is deleting my comment, lol.
Funny
Giovanni
On Tue, May 21, 2013 at 4:37 PM, Giovanni Santostasi gsantost...@gmail.com
: [Vo]:Levi Hot Cat paper is a gem
Motl is deleting my comment, lol.
Funny
Giovanni
On Tue, May 21, 2013 at 4:37 PM, Giovanni Santostasi
gsantost...@gmail.com wrote:
My argument against what Motl claims (what I wrote on his post):
I think Lumo you are wrong on this issue of epsilon
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Sent: Tuesday, May 21, 2013 2:49 PM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
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Motl is deleting my comment, lol.
Funny
Giovanni
On Tue, May 21, 2013 at 4:37 PM, Giovanni Santostasi gsantost...@gmail.com
wrote:
My argument
talented physicist.
Andrew
- Original Message -
*From:* Giovanni Santostasi gsantost...@gmail.com
*To:* vortex-l@eskimo.com
*Sent:* Tuesday, May 21, 2013 2:48 PM
*Subject:* Re: [Vo]:Levi Hot Cat paper is a gem
Motl is deleting my comment, lol.
Funny
Giovanni
On Tue, May 21, 2013
: [Vo]:Levi Hot Cat paper is a gem
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Motl is deleting my comment, lol.
Funny
Giovanni
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On Tue, May 21, 2013 at 4:37 PM, Giovanni Santostasi
gsantost...@gmail.com wrote:
My argument against what Motl claims (what I wrote on his post
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