Re: [Vo]:Isotope separation technology can be improved

2013-05-28 Thread Harry Veeder
On Mon, May 27, 2013 at 10:11 AM, Edmund Storms stor...@ix.netcom.comwrote: On May 27, 2013, at 12:17 AM, Harry Veeder wrote: On Sat, May 25, 2013 at 10:30 AM, Edmund Storms stor...@ix.netcom.comwrote: On May 24, 2013, at 10:38 PM, Harry Veeder wrote: The process you have described

Re: [Vo]:Isotope separation technology can be improved

2013-05-27 Thread Harry Veeder
On Sat, May 25, 2013 at 10:30 AM, Edmund Storms stor...@ix.netcom.comwrote: On May 24, 2013, at 10:38 PM, Harry Veeder wrote: The process you have described has the characteristics of a ratchet. Curiously, Jones used the ratchet metaphor in another post where he characterised the effect

Re: [Vo]:Isotope separation technology can be improved

2013-05-27 Thread Andrew
is nothing if not unintuitive. Andrew - Original Message - From: Harry Veeder To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Sunday, May 26, 2013 11:17 PM Subject: Re: [Vo]:Isotope separation technology can be improved On Sat, May 25, 2013 at 10:30 AM, Edmund Storms stor...@ix.netcom.com

Re: [Vo]:Isotope separation technology can be improved

2013-05-27 Thread Harry Veeder
sense. But that's OK - QM is nothing if not unintuitive. Andrew - Original Message - *From:* Harry Veeder hveeder...@gmail.com *To:* vortex-l@eskimo.com *Sent:* Sunday, May 26, 2013 11:17 PM *Subject:* Re: [Vo]:Isotope separation technology can be improved On Sat, May 25, 2013

Re: [Vo]:Isotope separation technology can be improved

2013-05-27 Thread Edmund Storms
On May 27, 2013, at 12:17 AM, Harry Veeder wrote: On Sat, May 25, 2013 at 10:30 AM, Edmund Storms stor...@ix.netcom.com wrote: On May 24, 2013, at 10:38 PM, Harry Veeder wrote: The process you have described has the characteristics of a ratchet. Curiously, Jones used the ratchet

Re: [Vo]:Isotope separation technology can be improved

2013-05-27 Thread David Roberson
Storms stor...@ix.netcom.com To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com Cc: Edmund Storms stor...@ix.netcom.com Sent: Mon, May 27, 2013 10:11 am Subject: Re: [Vo]:Isotope separation technology can be improved On May 27, 2013, at 12:17 AM, Harry Veeder wrote: On Sat, May 25, 2013 at 10:30 AM, Edmund

Re: [Vo]:Isotope separation technology can be improved

2013-05-27 Thread Edmund Storms
-Original Message- From: Edmund Storms stor...@ix.netcom.com To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com Cc: Edmund Storms stor...@ix.netcom.com Sent: Mon, May 27, 2013 10:11 am Subject: Re: [Vo]:Isotope separation technology can be improved On May 27, 2013, at 12:17 AM, Harry Veeder wrote: On Sat, May

Re: [Vo]:Isotope separation technology can be improved

2013-05-25 Thread Edmund Storms
On May 24, 2013, at 10:38 PM, Harry Veeder wrote: On Thu, May 23, 2013 at 10:16 AM, Edmund Storms stor...@ix.netcom.com wrote: On May 22, 2013, at 11:21 PM, Harry Veeder wrote: Ed, I think the structure of the coulomb barrier is open to intrinsic modification, but the variables

Re: [Vo]:Isotope separation technology can be improved

2013-05-24 Thread Harry Veeder
On Thu, May 23, 2013 at 10:16 AM, Edmund Storms stor...@ix.netcom.comwrote: On May 22, 2013, at 11:21 PM, Harry Veeder wrote: Ed, I think the structure of the coulomb barrier is open to intrinsic modification, but the variables governing this possibility cannot be uncovered by the tools

Re: [Vo]:Isotope separation technology can be improved

2013-05-23 Thread Edmund Storms
On May 22, 2013, at 11:21 PM, Harry Veeder wrote: Ed, I think the structure of the coulomb barrier is open to intrinsic modification, but the variables governing this possibility cannot be uncovered by the tools and concepts of high energy physics. I agree. In fact, the insistence that

Re: [Vo]:Isotope separation technology can be improved

2013-05-22 Thread Harry Veeder
You propose that the coulomb barrier is structured differently from how it is normally portrayed in textbooks, and it is this difference that permits the low temperature fusion of protons and deuterons and energy production. Wouldn't the same difference help to explain how transmutations can

Re: [Vo]:Isotope separation technology can be improved

2013-05-22 Thread Edmund Storms
No Harry, the Coulomb barrier is the same in Hot and Cold fusion. The difference is that it is overcome very rapidly during hot fusion and very slowly during cold fusion. That is the only difference between the two methods. This difference results in a different behavior. Yes, a theory

Re: [Vo]:Isotope separation technology can be improved

2013-05-22 Thread Harry Veeder
Ed, I am intrigued by your idea that the lack of gammas could be explained by fusion process which happens gradually rather than suddenly as is the case with hot fusion. However, on the one hand you say the fusion of protons and deuterons supplies the energy necessary to over come coulomb

Re: [Vo]:Isotope separation technology can be improved

2013-05-22 Thread Edmund Storms
Harry, calculations are useless in this case because the mechanism is unknown to which the calculations can be applied. We know that the mechanism for fusion and transmutation must be the same, which means they both must occur in the same NAE. I can describe a process that fits this

Re: [Vo]:Isotope separation technology can be improved

2013-05-22 Thread Axil Axil
The transfer of energy in a nuclear reaction must be sudden because of requirements of quantum mechanics. The first law of QM is that whenever energy is transferred, the superposition of a QM states is resolved. The transfer of energy is equivalent to an outside observer making a measurement of

Re: [Vo]:Isotope separation technology can be improved

2013-05-22 Thread mixent
In reply to Edmund Storms's message of Tue, 21 May 2013 20:51:20 -0600: Hi Ed, [snip] You may be right. Time will tell. Robin, you are making an assumption here. You are assuming that no energy has been lost before the neutrino is emitted and the electron is absorbed. Suppose, as I have

Re: [Vo]:Isotope separation technology can be improved

2013-05-22 Thread Harry Veeder
Ed, I think the structure of the coulomb barrier is open to intrinsic modification, but the variables governing this possibility cannot be uncovered by the tools and concepts of high energy physics. In most situations the coulomb barrier behaves in a textbook fashion, but when bathed in the right

RE: [Vo]:Isotope separation technology can be improved

2013-05-21 Thread DJ Cravens
Ni 62 has zero spin but the others have a nuclear spin component. So I should be relatively easy to come up with a way to separate them. D2 Date: Tue, 21 May 2013 16:15:20 -0400 From: jedrothw...@gmail.com To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: [Vo]:Isotope separation technology can be improved

Re: [Vo]:Isotope separation technology can be improved

2013-05-21 Thread Bob Higgins
I don't understand why 62Ni would make a difference in the reaction. Are we now seriously considering that the Ni nucleus participates in the nuclear reaction that causes the heat? Dr. Storms proposes that physical cracks in the lattice are the NAE and the money crop of the reaction does not

Re: [Vo]:Isotope separation technology can be improved

2013-05-21 Thread Jed Rothwell
I wrote: If he only increased the concentration of one rare isotope, without eliminating the others, I assume that would work. The point being that present day isotope separation techniques work by processing the same material over and over again, gradually increasing the concentration of

RE: [Vo]:Isotope separation technology can be improved

2013-05-21 Thread Jones Beene
Guys, Without getting too philosophical Cost is almost a relative thing. When the demand is there, the cost will come down to some reasonable level. When the politicians favor it, the cost will be even lower. Aluminum was more expensive than gold when it was first put into production.

Re: [Vo]:Isotope separation technology can be improved

2013-05-21 Thread Edmund Storms
Good point, Bob. Simple arguments can show that the amount of energy claimed by Rossi can not result from the Ni+p=Cu reaction regardless of the isotope. Ironically, people will accept Rossi's claim that transmutation is the source of energy while questioning whether he makes any energy

RE: [Vo]:Isotope separation technology can be improved

2013-05-21 Thread DJ Cravens
]:Isotope separation technology can be improved Date: Tue, 21 May 2013 14:48:13 -0600 Good point, Bob. Simple arguments can show that the amount of energy claimed by Rossi can not result from the Ni+p=Cu reaction regardless of the isotope. Ironically, people will accept Rossi's claim

Re: [Vo]:Isotope separation technology can be improved

2013-05-21 Thread Axil Axil
If you have studied the ash from the Ni/H reactors you must conclude that: Any elements having an even number of nucleons with spin zero will react in LENR. LENR has a far greater energy density than U235 because cascades of LENR reaction products will fission from a very high atomic weight to a

RE: [Vo]:Isotope separation technology can be improved

2013-05-21 Thread Jones Beene
From: Bob Higgins I don't understand why 62Ni would make a difference in the reaction. Are we now seriously considering that the Ni nucleus participates in the nuclear reaction that causes the heat IMO this is a Mills type reaction (BLP), involving deep hydrogen redundancy - and

Re: [Vo]:Isotope separation technology can be improved

2013-05-21 Thread Harry Veeder
-- CC: stor...@ix.netcom.com From: stor...@ix.netcom.com To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: [Vo]:Isotope separation technology can be improved Date: Tue, 21 May 2013 14:48:13 -0600 Good point, Bob. Simple arguments can show that the amount of energy claimed by Rossi can

Re: [Vo]:Isotope separation technology can be improved

2013-05-21 Thread Edmund Storms
Jones, there is no ash because no one has looked for deuterium. Everyone who might find enough deuterium to detect is focused on transmutation. If they now find deuterium, their favorite explanation will go up in smoke and the patents that claim to need nickel will be useless. I'm trying

Re: [Vo]:Isotope separation technology can be improved

2013-05-21 Thread Edmund Storms
Ni + p or Ni + 2p reactions. most of these seem endothermic to me. I would be more inclined to think there some kind of p+p like event. (OK Ed... p e p ) Dennis CC: stor...@ix.netcom.com From: stor...@ix.netcom.com To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: [Vo]:Isotope separation

Re: [Vo]:Isotope separation technology can be improved

2013-05-21 Thread Axil Axil
Nickel nano-particles are superparamagnetic. They interact with dipole vibration. This may be the reason why nickel nanostructures are important in the nanoplasmonic causation of LENR. * Magnetic relaxation of a system of superparamagnetic particles weakly coupled by dipole-dipole interactions

Re: [Vo]:Isotope separation technology can be improved

2013-05-21 Thread Terry Blanton
If Ni62 is not consumed, the cost is somewhat academic.

RE: [Vo]:Isotope separation technology can be improved

2013-05-21 Thread Jones Beene
From: Edmund Storms Jones, there is no ash because no one has looked for deuterium. Everyone who might find enough deuterium to detect is focused on transmutation. If they now find deuterium, their favorite explanation will go up in smoke and the patents that claim to need nickel will be

Re: [Vo]:Isotope separation technology can be improved

2013-05-21 Thread Jed Rothwell
On Tue, May 21, 2013 at 8:28 PM, Edmund Storms stor...@ix.netcom.comwrote: Vortex will not accept an attachment so you will have to find the paper elsewhere. J. Condensed Matter Nucl. Sci. 11 (2013) 1-15 Research Article Nature of Energetic Radiation Emitted from a Metal Exposed to H2

Re: [Vo]:Isotope separation technology can be improved

2013-05-21 Thread Edmund Storms
Robin, you are making an assumption here. You are assuming that no energy has been lost before the neutrino is emitted and the electron is absorbed. Suppose, as I have proposed, the energy is lost as a series of photons before the electron is added so that no energy remains to be carried