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On 08/08/2016 08:27 PM, David Roberson wrote: I suppose that Rossi may not be telling the truth as you have concluded, but I am attempting to give him _*the benefit of the doubt*_. You have got to be kidding. We have been discussing Rossi in this group for the last /_six years_./ The first

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David Roberson wrote: > And, if he actually did look at the total average flow rate throughout the > test, it might indeed read 36000 because of the meter increments. This > certainly seems convenient, but would be possible. > Nope. Not possible, I think. That would require the flow to be sync

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Rossi's flow meter described in court document Not necessarily. The water, though is entering relatively cold, it has passed through regions of turbulence, so it should be carrying bubbles due cavitation of the vortices. 2016-08-08 11:06 GMT-03:00 Bob Higgins : That problem could have

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Not necessarily. The water, though is entering relatively cold, it has passed through regions of turbulence, so it should be carrying bubbles due cavitation of the vortices. 2016-08-08 11:06 GMT-03:00 Bob Higgins : > That problem could have been totally eliminated if the flow meter were > orient

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Rothwell To: vortex-l Sent: Mon, Aug 8, 2016 7:57 pm Subject: Re: [Vo]:Problems with Rossi's flow meter described in court document David Roberson wrote: Jed, you post Mats Levan's statement as proof for your conclusion that the flow rate was exactly 36,000 kg/day. I just read h

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Lab puppies are so adorable. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tQBciJLONbQ harry On Mon, Aug 8, 2016 at 11:33 AM, Jed Rothwell wrote: > I wrote: > > >> I would say [Penon] is Rossi's lab dog. I suspect Rossi is hoping to pin >> the blame on Penon and send him to jail, instead of going himself. >

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a.ashfield wrote: > > > The name plate for the flow meter gives the minimum flow rate for which > they guarantee extreme accuracy. It is fairly linear below that. > Where did you get that information? Someone who appears to know more about this meter than I do told me: "the manufacturers recomm

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David Roberson wrote: Jed, you post Mats Levan's statement as proof for your conclusion that the > flow rate was exactly 36,000 kg/day. I just read his article and it > clearly says that this is the average rate of flow for the test period. > How do you draw the conclusion from his article that

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Yeah, and the "experts" said that Pons & Fleischmann had nothing too - and they were wrong On 8/8/2016 6:38 PM, Stephen A. Lawrence wrote: On 08/08/2016 06:25 PM, Che wrote: On Mon, Aug 8, 2016 at 5:07 PM, Stephen A. Lawrence wrote: The group got Rossi'd a couple years back and w

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Jed, The name plate for the flow meter gives the minimum flow rate for which they guarantee extreme accuracy. It is fairly linear below that. As I said, the maximum error would be less than 3% and on the low side, contrary to what you wrote. Yes I think Exhibit 5 is wrong in several places.

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From: Jed Rothwell To: vortex-l Sent: Mon, Aug 8, 2016 4:05 pm Subject: Re: [Vo]:Problems with Rossi's flow meter described in court document Russ George wrote: Just show your source and the documented evidence/data, you ask for no less of Rossi et al. I was asked not to reve

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On 08/08/2016 06:25 PM, Che wrote: On Mon, Aug 8, 2016 at 5:07 PM, Stephen A. Lawrence > wrote: The group got Rossi'd a couple years back and we're still gradually digging out from under. Ditto the entire LENR world, I'm afraid. I think the issue sti

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a.ashfield wrote: > It is quite accurate at the flow rates used should you care to read the > specs (at worst would read 3% low) and Penon had it calibrated both before > and after the test at the flow rate and temperatures encountered. > Who told you that? It would be out of character. > So to

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On Mon, Aug 8, 2016 at 5:07 PM, Stephen A. Lawrence wrote: > > > The group got Rossi'd a couple years back and we're still gradually > digging out from under. > > Ditto the entire LENR world, I'm afraid. > I think the issue still remains: *did* Rossi turn Nickel into copper -- and produce excess

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Jed, Further to your oft repeated comments on the flow meter and references to the unsigned Exhibit 5, I have read this again and it strikes me that whoever wrote it is not an engineer. The flowmeter MWN130-80-NC. Has numbers and letters that indicate various things.130 is the max water temp

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On 08/08/2016 04:52 PM, Che wrote: On Mon, Aug 8, 2016 at 10:11 AM, Stephen A. Lawrence > wrote: On 08/08/2016 07:43 AM, Peter Gluck wrote: ... Missed this the first time around. Peter, you've been spouting boring, sanctimonious, barely coherent n

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On Mon, Aug 8, 2016 at 10:11 AM, Stephen A. Lawrence wrote: > > On 08/08/2016 07:43 AM, Peter Gluck wrote: > ... > Missed this the first time around. > > Peter, you've been spouting boring, sanctimonious, barely coherent > nonsense for weeks now, and you've descended to the point to accusing Je

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Russ George wrote: I have no interest in participating in a ‘Kangaroo Court’ process with real > court evidence, that is the proper purview of a real judge and the formal > legal process. > By saying that, you are participating. You are using Donald Trump's favorite rhetorical technique, praeter

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[mailto:jedrothw...@gmail.com] Sent: Monday, August 8, 2016 1:03 PM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: [Vo]:Problems with Rossi's flow meter described in court document Russ George mailto:russ.geo...@gmail.com> > wrote: Just show your source and the documented evidence/data, you

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Russ George wrote: Just show your source and the documented evidence/data, you ask for no less > of Rossi et al. > I was asked not to reveal this up until now. You can now learn nearly everything I know by reading the documents uploaded by I.H. in the trial (especially Exhibit 5), and Rossi's in

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@eskimo.com Subject: Re: [Vo]:Problems with Rossi's flow meter described in court document Russ George mailto:russ.geo...@gmail.com> > wrote: This acrimonious discussion of Rossi with the posturing pretentious claims of ‘insider knowledge’ by one disgruntled camp follow

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Russ George wrote: This acrimonious discussion of Rossi with the posturing pretentious claims > of ‘insider knowledge’ by one disgruntled camp follower, utterly > unsubstantiated and without any verifiable facts/data . . . > If documents filed with the court are not substantiation and not verifi

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a.ashfield wrote: There is no verifiable proof about the flow rates over time. I doubt > Penon would be stupid enough to report it constant for a year.. > That's what he wrote in all of the data I have seen. That's what Exhibit 5 says. Do you have any reason to doubt that? Have you heard diffe

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Bob Higgins wrote: Well, upon further investigation, I find that this flow meter has "internal > float level regulation" and is designed for measurement in horizontal or > vertical orientations. So, the issue with water level may be moot because > it appears this flow meter is designed to compen

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a.ashfield wrote: I haven't seen the spec sheet m self, but this comment backs up what I > wrote earlier. > Where did you get the idea it would read high? From IH? > I have not discussed this with them, except very briefly. I got that idea from flow meter manuals, guides to flow meters, and my

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Jed, I haven't seen the spec sheet m self, but this comment backs up what I wrote earlier. Where did you get the idea it would read high? From IH? Ged Obvious

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Bob, It is simple to locate a flow meter low enough that it is never just partly filled. I find it significant that we are not told where it was located. Also, the stories of stain levels by an electronics expert don't mean much. Jed suggested a world level stain expert had been hired...

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On 08/08/2016 12:20 PM, Russ George wrote: RE: [Vo]:Problems with Rossi's flow meter described in court document This acrimonious discussion of Rossi with the posturing pretentious claims of ‘insider knowledge’ by one disgruntled camp follower, utterly unsubstantiated and withou

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Well, upon further investigation, I find that this flow meter has "internal float level regulation" and is designed for measurement in horizontal or vertical orientations. So, the issue with water level may be moot because it appears this flow meter is designed to compensate for water level (not s

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There is no verifiable proof about the flow rates over time. I doubt Penon would be stupid enough to report it constant for a year.. On 8/8/2016 12:43 PM, Jack Cole wrote: A large part of the discussion about the flow meter ignores a bigger problem. Whether the meter could possibly have corr

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A large part of the discussion about the flow meter ignores a bigger problem. Whether the meter could possibly have correct measurements at that flow rate is irrelevant. The numbers are fake! 36000 kg/day even when the plant is not running. On Mon, Aug 8, 2016 at 11:29 AM a.ashfield wrote:

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Bob, If the flow meter was mounted at the bottom outlet of the water tank, that presumably is outside and therefore a couple of feet lower than the plant, it would always be full On 8/8/2016 10:06 AM, Bob Higgins wrote: Jed, Do you know the orientation of the flow meter? It is only possibl

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Jed, What you wrote is perfectly clear. But there are some things missing that cloud the picture. 1. It seems the pressure drop across the feed pipe is not available. Eg. it could have been negative at the receiving end with the steam condensing. 2. I presume that the water level in the

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x27;s flow meter described in court document From: Jed Rothwell Stephen A. Lawrence wrote: What will you say if Rossi has a commercial 1 MW plant up and running before the trial? Good joke. Hah hah! What will you say if the sky is suddenly full of ships, and it turns out it's an alie

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From: Jed Rothwell Stephen A. Lawrence wrote: What will you say if Rossi has a commercial 1 MW plant up and running before the trial? Good joke. Hah hah! What will you say if the sky is suddenly full of ships, and it turns out it's an alien invasion, and the only one they'll negotiate with i

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ex-l@eskimo.com > *Subject:* Re: [Vo]:Problems with Rossi's flow meter described in court > document > > What I meant is that the flow axis (also the turbine propeller axis) > should be vertical to insure that the flow tube (housing the turbine) is > fully filled. > > I b

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The flow meter from that URL has nothing to do with heat measurement - it is a standard turbine type flow meter. It has a mechanical (gear ratio) calculation of flow from the rotor speed. What I said still applys - it measures essentially the same water speed whether the flow tube is half full or

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I wrote: > I would say [Penon] is Rossi's lab dog. I suspect Rossi is hoping to pin > the blame on Penon and send him to jail, instead of going himself. > I mean "lap dog." My voice input program, having once got that wrong, continues to get it wrong. I guess I talk about labs more often than la

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Rossi's flow meter described in court document What I meant is that the flow axis (also the turbine propeller axis) should be vertical to insure that the flow tube (housing the turbine) is fully filled. I believe such turbines have a rotor (like a propeller) with an axis coaxial with the

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Bob Higgins wrote: What I meant is that the flow axis (also the turbine propeller axis) should > be vertical to insure that the flow tube (housing the turbine) is fully > filled. > > I believe such turbines have a rotor (like a propeller) with an axis > coaxial with the flow tube and low blockage

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Peter Gluck wrote: do you believe he has the ERV extract indeed? > You have no reason to doubt it! Actually, everyone now has that extract, from what Rossi told Lewan, and from Exhibit 5. If you don't believe Rossi or Exhibit 5, I have no means to convince you. I have no other proof left up my

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What I meant is that the flow axis (also the turbine propeller axis) should be vertical to insure that the flow tube (housing the turbine) is fully filled. I believe such turbines have a rotor (like a propeller) with an axis coaxial with the flow tube and low blockage spider supports for the rotor

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Stephen A. Lawrence wrote: > On 08/08/2016 09:30 AM, Jed Rothwell wrote: > > If you assume there was actually some pressure, then there was only hot > water, not steam, where the temperature went from 60°C to 100°C. > > > I feel like this is where I came in. > > Years ago, in early ecat tests, R

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Bob Higgins wrote: > Do you know the orientation of the flow meter? It is only possible to > have a pipe half full if the flow meter is mounted horizontally (a mistake > for use of this type of flow meter). > Umm . . . I don't follow what you mean. Do you mean the pipe should be vertical? I do

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On 08/08/2016 09:30 AM, Jed Rothwell wrote: If you assume there was actually some pressure, then there was only hot water, not steam, where the temperature went from 60°C to 100°C. I feel like this is where I came in. Years ago, in early ecat tests, Rossi had a *fixed* flow rate of water go

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do you believe he has the ERV extract indeed? Then why he does not gives any dta about what he has? As regarding insults I will not go down to your level. peter On Mon, Aug 8, 2016 at 5:11 PM, Stephen A. Lawrence wrote: > > > On 08/08/2016 07:43 AM, Peter Gluck wrote: > > Jed, how much of Rossi'

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I wrote: > Let me assume the pressure was a little higher than 1 atm. That means the > fluid was pressurized and it was probably not steam. It was probably hot > water. > Actually, a more realistic estimate would be that it is a mixture of hot water and steam. So the flow meter error would be at

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On 08/08/2016 07:43 AM, Peter Gluck wrote: Jed, how much of Rossi's data do you have? Days; weeks? How do you got them? *How would you convince us that you have them indeed*? That's obnoxious. You're outright accusing Jed of lying here. I've been hanging around here for a long time, I've h

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Jed, Do you know the orientation of the flow meter? It is only possible to have a pipe half full if the flow meter is mounted horizontally (a mistake for use of this type of flow meter). That problem could have been totally eliminated if the flow meter were oriented vertically. An observation (

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On 08/08/2016 07:43 AM, Peter Gluck wrote: Jed, how much of Rossi's data do you have? Days; weeks? How do you got them? How would you convince us that you have them indeed? I confess that after what you have told about knowledgeable people being those who know to cheat with an instrument I cann

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Stephen A. Lawrence wrote: > On Sun, Aug 7, 2016 at 12:42 PM, a.ashfield > wrote: > >> What will you say if Rossi has a commercial 1 MW plant up and running >> before the trial? > > > Good joke. Hah hah! > > What will you sat if the the sky is suddenly full of ships, and it turns > out it's an

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I wrote: > Look at Exhibit 5, and also look at what Rossi told Lewan. The temperature > is just over 100°C and the flow rate is 36,000 kg per day. The pressure is > 0 bar. It is the same every day, including days when the reactor was shut > down, according to Exhibit 5. > > If you assume there wa

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a.ashfield wrote: > Who provided you with Rossi's log book and data that you say you have? > By "log book" I mean the ERV data. It is same thing. Rossi collects data manually as far as I know. People who visited him saw only log books. The flow meter and other instruments are not electronic as

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Jed, Who provided you with Rossi's log book and data that you say you have? " why didn't he present his side of the story in the lawsuit? " According to the contract all that is needed is Dr. Penon's report. On 8/7/2016 10:55 PM, Jed Rothwell wrote: a.ashfield mailto:a.ashfi...@verizon.net>>

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Jed, how much of Rossi's data do you have? Days; weeks? How do you got them? How would you convince us that you have them indeed? I confess that after what you have told about knowledgeable people being those who know to cheat with an instrument I cannot belive anything you say without proofs. Your

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On Sun, Aug 7, 2016 at 8:47 PM, a.ashfield wrote: > Rossi doesn't sound too worried > Since there doesn't seem to be the long-expected constant gush of hot steam in the works here, Rossi appears to be somewhat delusional. His ego appears legendary.

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a.ashfield wrote: > I'm really curious to know why IH is providing you with so much data about > their internal workings. > Much of what I report comes from people outside of I.H. who visited Rossi. Some of it comes from Rossi. He is pissed off that I know it. The only reason I can think of i

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Jed, I'm really curious to know why IH is providing you with so much data about their internal workings. The only reason I can think of is that they are using you to spread their side of the story. Obviously one party is lying. There is no proof yet which one and I take the position of waiti

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Axil Axil wrote: "I am sure Rossi and Penon claimed the reactor was producing heat on days > when it was turned off and disassembled." > > One of the 4 tigers (250 kilowatt units) was off line. That single unit > failure/repair situation is the reason for the the drop in reactor power to > 750 ki

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"I am sure Rossi and Penon claimed the reactor was producing heat on days when it was turned off and disassembled." One of the 4 tigers (250 kilowatt units) was off line. That single unit failure/repair situation is the reason for the the drop in reactor power to 750 kilowatts that are seen in the

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a.ashfield wrote: Rossi's answer to the claim the customer was not using the heat. > Why would Rossi make a court claim unless he was confident he could prove > the plant worked? > Why would I.H. say they measured the heat coming from the customer site and found nothing, unless they were confide

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a.ashfield wrote: > Murray lists himself as being an independent consultant. See my earlier > post. > It says "Independent Consultant June 2016 - present." The Exhibit 5 e-mail is dated Feb. 2016. Exhibit 19, introducing Murray to Rossi, was dated July 2015. So he was not introduced as an inde

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Rossi's answer to the claim the customer was not using the heat. Why would Rossi make a court claim unless he was confident he could prove the plant worked? Obviously he knows proof will be required. 1. Patrick Ellul August 7, 2016 at 5:20 PM

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Jed. Murray lists himself as being an independent consultant. See my earlier post. On 8/7/2016 8:36 PM, Jed Rothwell wrote: a.ashfield mailto:a.ashfi...@verizon.net>> wrote: It is not worth my time to determine the time sequence. I didn't think Murray was allowed in the plant until

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Rossi doesn't sound too worried 1. JP Renoir August 7, 2016 at 6:24 PM Dear Andrea Rossi, I have just finished to read the 66 pages of the counter complaints of IH, but they are just making assumption

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a.ashfield wrote: It is not worth my time to determine the time sequence. I didn't think > Murray was allowed in the plant until after the test . . . > You are wrong about that. In any case, many other people were in the plant, and they asked the same questions. > . . . and I expect Penon kn

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It is not worth my time to determine the time sequence. I didn't think Murray was allowed in the plant until after the test and I expect Penon knew he was hostile by then. So even if he didn't know of the pending court case he probably didn't feel inclined to answer a third party's request fo

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a.ashfield wrote: > I expect Penon will answer through Rossi's lawyers. > This letter was written before Rossi filed suit. No lawyers were involved then. Penon had plenty of time to respond. He did not. Furthermore, if there was a simple error such as referencing the wrong flow meter model (as

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Jed, I expect Penon will answer through Rossi's lawyers. That would be the proper thing to do in a court case. Show some evidence of these other "experts" please. Why have they not made statements so far? On 8/7/2016 2:14 PM, Jed Rothwell wrote: a.ashfield mailto:a.ashfi...@verizon.net>>

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a.ashfield wrote: Just because you think he is an expert is not proof. > You can see from the letter he knows more than Penon does. Note that Penon never answered. I believe he skedaddled back to Italy. Probably a wise move. > From his background he is an electronics engineer and you have not

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a.ashfield wrote: > > > Don't you think it would be better to wait for proof? > The proof is right there, in Exhibit 5. Penon never responded. If the statements were wrong, he would have pointed out the errors. > How do you know the flow meter (and all Dr. Penon's the other > instruments) w

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Daniel Rocha wrote: exhibit 3 > Exhibit 3 is another reactor! Read the main document, p. 11: "Photographs accurately depicting the Six Cylinder Unit are attached hereto as Exhibit 3. The Six Cylinder Unit remains in North Carolina." - Jed

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On 08/07/2016 01:31 PM, Stephen A. Lawrence wrote: On 08/07/2016 01:06 PM, Che wrote: On Sun, Aug 7, 2016 at 12:42 PM, a.ashfield > wrote: What will you say if Rossi has a commercial 1 MW plant up and running before the trial? Good joke. Hah hah!

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On 08/07/2016 01:06 PM, Che wrote: On Sun, Aug 7, 2016 at 12:42 PM, a.ashfield > wrote: What will you say if Rossi has a commercial 1 MW plant up and running before the trial? Good joke. Hah hah! What will you sat if the the sky is suddenly full o

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On Sun, Aug 7, 2016 at 12:42 PM, a.ashfield wrote: > What will you say if Rossi has a commercial 1 MW plant up and running > before the trial? How many years go by with a lack of even definitive 'proof-of-concept' -- let alone the World being presented with a 'wiz-bang' working prototype -- fro

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On Sun, Aug 7, 2016 at 12:20 PM, a.ashfield wrote: > Your earlier defense was that Murray was an expert. Also, that I wasn't > there. You weren't there either and are just relying on hear say. > What other "experts" were on the case? Murray was the one who wrote Dr. > Penon. > Whatever any e

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The flow meter problem is just a tiny part of the picture. You don't need to go beyond the paragraph below to throw it all out of the window. Despite that fact, they do go well beyond what they say below in the document. Best to not get hung up on a debatable matter like the flow meter. You'd n

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What will you say if Rossi has a commercial 1 MW plant up and running before the trial? On 8/7/2016 12:38 PM, Stephen A. Lawrence wrote: On 08/07/2016 12:03 PM, Jed Rothwell wrote: I suspect Rossi is hoping to pin the blame on Penon and send him to jail, instead of going himself. Not s

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Jed, Just because you think he is an expert is not proof. From his background he is an electronics engineer and you have not shown he knows anything about fluid flow and measurement, or stains. He was the only one (that I have seen) who has pontificated on the flow rate and other measurement

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On 08/07/2016 12:03 PM, Jed Rothwell wrote: I suspect Rossi is hoping to pin the blame on Penon and send him to jail, instead of going himself. Not sure I can agree with that. I've long since stopped believing people like Rossi (or Trump) have a coherent exit strategy -- their slogan see

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Your earlier defense was that Murray was an expert. Also, that I wasn't there. You weren't there either and are just relying on hear say. What other "experts" were on the case? Murray was the one who wrote Dr. Penon. On 8/7/2016 11:56 AM, Jed Rothwell wrote: a.ashfield mailto:a.ashfi...@ver

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a.ashfield wrote: > In view of the above information on Mr. Murray, why do you think he is an > expert engineer . . . I know he is. But it does not take a rocket scientist super expert to compare the minimum flow rate shown on the face plate with the data in the log book. Even I had no trouble

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Jed, Don't you think it would be better to wait for proof? How do you know the flow meter (and all Dr. Penon's the other instruments) were not send back for calibration? In view of the stakes, it would seem to be a very prudent step to take. Where does IH state that there were not returned?

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a.ashfield wrote: It appears Murray's expertise is in electronics, although Jed claims he is > an expert on stains... > Oh give me a break. I never said anything like that. Do you think Murray is the only person assigned to this? If you had a billion dollars, and someone was threatening you with

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a.ashfield wrote: > Wasn't it claimed the meter was sent back to the manufacturer after the > test for a calibration check? > Rossi said that, but it is not true. However, I am sure the meter would test perfectly in a calibration check. There is nothing wrong with it. It gave the wrong answer b

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Jed, In view of the above information on Mr. Murray, why do you think he is an expert engineer and Dr. Penon, who has rated nuclear power plants, is an idiot?

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More on Mr. Murray who is still listed as Principal of Ultra Electronics – 3 Phoenix Linked In shows him as Executive VP of Ultra Electronics Feb 2014 - Apr 2015 Independent Consultant June 2016 - present Joseph Murray – Principal Mr. Murray has over eighteen years of experience in system archi

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It appears Murray's expertise is in electronics, although Jed claims he is an expert on stains... This is what SIffercoll writes: http://www.sifferkoll.se/sifferkoll/is-joseph-murray-the-establishmentdodapco-operative-assigned-to-slow-lenr-down-and-trash-rossi/

Re: [Vo]:Problems with Rossi's flow meter described in court document

Engineer48 wrote this on Ecatworld. "Rossi did say the ERV had all his instruments pre calibrated. Also said the flow meter was calibrated at the expected flow rate and fluid temperature. Plus after the trial, the ERV had all the instruments re calibrated

Re: [Vo]:Problems with Rossi's flow meter described in court document

Jed, You are assuming IH are the innocent party before the facts are all in. Either side is capable of cheating. Remember IH claimed in their motion to dismiss that the second agreement was not valid because Ampernego had not signed it. On 8/6/2016 10:41 PM, Jed Rothwell wrote: a.ashfield m

Re: [Vo]:Problems with Rossi's flow meter described in court document

Jed, In your replies, you missed the bit where I stated that contrary to your claim flow meters run at to low flow rates tend to give too low flow readings, not too high. Wasn't it claimed the meter was sent back to the manufacturer after the test for a calibration check? I doubt anyone spec

Re: [Vo]:Problems with Rossi's flow meter described in court document

a.ashfield wrote: As for the stain marks, without actually seeing them, I doubt they mean > much. > Since you have not actually seen them, HOW CAN YOU DOUBT anything about them??!? That's crazy. Millions of dollars are at stake here. Has it not occurred to you that with that much money at stake

Re: [Vo]:Problems with Rossi's flow meter described in court document

a.ashfield wrote: > It strikes me as highly unlikely that whoever chose the flow meter > (Penon?) would not talk to the manufacturer for advice on which model to > get. > Oh, I expect they did consult. Then they deliberately selected an instrument that gave the wrong answer. They selected sever

Re: [Vo]:Problems with Rossi's flow meter described in court document

Daniel Rocha wrote: Alright. I am not in the mood for your temper tantrums. > I am not in the mood for your utter disregard for the facts. You should not invent nonsensical accusations that Murray did not see the instrument he described. He and the others looked at it closely, and at the pipe, a

Re: [Vo]:Problems with Rossi's flow meter described in court document

Thanks. Interesting read. On 08/06/2016 07:30 PM, Jed Rothwell wrote: Stephen A. Lawrence mailto:sa...@pobox.com>> wrote: Your link is apparently only useful to members of the NewVortex group on Yahoo. Okay. I uploaded the document here: https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B6qvuFUMAp

Re: [Vo]:Problems with Rossi's flow meter described in court document

Alright. I am not in the mood for your temper tantrums. 2016-08-06 23:09 GMT-03:00 Jed Rothwell : > Stop making up impossible nonsense. It is OVER. > > - Jed > >

Re: [Vo]:Problems with Rossi's flow meter described in court document

Daniel Rocha wrote: > "The turbine flow meter used for your measurements ." There is no proof > that the expert went there or how he got the information. He is just > questioning the type used and makes some calculations. > Give me a break! Of course he went there. Lots of people went there. T

Re: [Vo]:Problems with Rossi's flow meter described in court document

exhibit 3 2016-08-06 22:39 GMT-03:00 Daniel Rocha : > On exhibit there are some pictures of stuff which looks like flowmeters > (though I am not sure they are), page 3. They have a zigzag shape of > mp130-nc-80NC > and not the straight and chubby form of MWN130-80-NC > > 2016-08-06 22:32 GMT-

Re: [Vo]:Problems with Rossi's flow meter described in court document

On exhibit there are some pictures of stuff which looks like flowmeters (though I am not sure they are), page 3. They have a zigzag shape of mp130-nc-80NC and not the straight and chubby form of MWN130-80-NC 2016-08-06 22:32 GMT-03:00 Daniel Rocha : > It does give and it is simple. > For exampl

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