Re: [Vo]:Re: Swedish scientists claim LENR explanation break-through

Jones Beene wrote: > Jed Rothwell has put countless hours and his own funds over 25 years to > memorialize the efforts of dozens of scientists and thousands of papers. None > of these experiments going back to 1989 – representing 25 years of blood, > sweat and tears - has

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Hi Bob, You seem to be describing a kind of nuclear "band," where there are so many nuclear levels from participating nuclei that they merge into a band analogous to a band in a semiconductor, and the energy levels lose their distinctness and become continuous. How do the nuclei communicate with

Re: [Vo]:Re: Swedish scientists claim LENR explanation break-through

On Fri, Oct 16, 2015 at 11:43 AM, Jones Beene wrote: In short (at the risk of being repetitive) ... this theory is an > embarrassment to the two guys who proposed it since they did not recognize > the insurmountable problems. I don't know. I think it's kind of an

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It seems to me that the reading and analysis of the Lugano report that was done by Lunden and Lidgren was at best superficial. The information about the fuel and ash is very deep and needs to be mulled over for a considerable amount of time. The smallest experimental detail can make or break a

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From: Eric Walker Ø We should be encouraging and not take too critical an eye to attempts such as the one by Lunden and Lidgren. In addition, we should be open to fragments of insight that might be hidden in such attempts. Maybe so … but... there are limits to gullibility. This

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In the Lugano test, each nickel atom comprising the 100 micro nickel particle swapped either 1, 2, 3 or 4 neutrons from multiple lithium 7 atoms to get to pure Ni62 from Ni58, Ni60 and Ni61 and this swap happened to all billion atoms of the that particle in one operation. This is what this latest

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Jones, No I did not say it was blunt. BTW I changed my signature:) No, I said it was a little contradictory to the general complaints, here in Vortex, saying that there is no room for accepting explanations that does not jive with the book. I think the same goes for religious people who throws the

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Jones Do you have ghosts at home? How can this be to shame either Mats or Rossi. If it is a 1 of April joke then you have certainly taken the edge off it. Besides the people involved would not risk their careers for an April 1 joke. Nobody can say you did not see through it if it is one. The

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Regarding Geneste's paper, the 'strange radiation' tracks described were replicated by Keith Fredericks and reported at ICCF18: http://www.ecoinventions.ca/iccf-18-keith-fredericks-possibility-of-tachyon/ His analysis suggested they might be superluminal tachyons. On 10/16/2015 12:38 PM,

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These tracks are produced by analog black holes call "dark mode surface plasmon polaritons" (dark mode SPP). it is well know that these polariton solitons produce monopole magnetic fields. Being a black hole, the inside of the soliton contains negative energy due to the fact that loads of power

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I think it is appropriate for forums such as Vortex-L to debate the value of new papers. We should be fair, honest, and not defamatory. We should not impugn the integrity of the authors. I tried to be fair and explicit in what I said. I would love for the authors to respond on Vortex - lets

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I see some of my favorite words in that * Geneste *paper. You might have had this * Geneste *information available to you right here on vortex. On Fri, Oct 16, 2015 at 3:38 PM, Lennart Thornros wrote: > Jones > Do you have ghosts at home? > How can this be to shame either

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On Fri, Oct 16, 2015 at 2:52 PM, Bob Higgins wrote: I think it is appropriate for forums such as Vortex-L to debate the value > of new papers. > I agree. I wasn't criticizing your very apt points. I was just commenting on the decision of the authors to propose the

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stable O-17 >and it goes to O-18 which is also stable. > >Bob Cook > >-Original Message- >From: mix...@bigpond.com >Sent: Thursday, October 15, 2015 9:36 PM >To: vortex-l@eskimo.com >Subject: Re: [Vo]:Re: Swedish scientists claim LENR explanation >break-through > >

Re: [Vo]:Re: Swedish scientists claim LENR explanation break-through

Subject: Re: [Vo]:Re: Swedish scientists claim LENR explanation break-through In reply to Bob Cook's message of Thu, 15 Oct 2015 21:26:22 -0700: Hi, [snip] It doesn't matter which element/isotope absorbs the neutron, or which isotope it creates. Every reaction is going to produce an energetic

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> *To:* vortex-l@eskimo.com > *Subject:* Re: [Vo]:Re: Swedish scientists claim LENR explanation > break-through > > On Thu, Oct 15, 2015 at 10:55 PM, Bob Cook <frobertc...@hotmail.com> > wrote: > > I believe the authors know what they are about. >> > > The authors a

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Mats blog also indicates following remarks: *Lundin and Lidgren have made a brief successful experiment and they have verified the model through calculations against results from well-known LENR experiments such as the Lugano report with Andrea Rossi’s E-Cat

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gamma have to be emited in most case, or else energy is transfered as momentum, who finish as indirect gamma or impacts. anyway the implicit that may not be true is that this happen in one shot. the key idea of ed Storms is that the emission of excess energy is not done in one shot, but by the

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Jones, You might be right they understand nothing - nada. But as you said first thing first. To be categoric about others believe might backfire. There might be a shred of truth in their ideas, why not just find out if that is so and add that to the previous knowledge. A couple of comments. Those

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riginal Message- > From: mix...@bigpond.com [mailto:mix...@bigpond.com] > Sent: Friday, October 16, 2015 5:11 PM > To: vortex-l@eskimo.com > Subject: Re: [Vo]:Re: Swedish scientists claim LENR explanation > break-through > > In reply to Teslaalset's message of Fri, 16 Oc

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iverson From: Bob Higgins [mailto:rj.bob.higg...@gmail.com] Sent: Friday, October 16, 2015 12:52 PM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: [Vo]:Re: Swedish scientists claim LENR explanation break-through I think it is appropriate for forums such as Vortex-L to debate the value of new papers. We

Re: [Vo]:Re: Swedish scientists claim LENR explanation break-through

On Fri, Oct 16, 2015 at 2:07 PM, Jones Beene wrote: Maybe the intent is to shame Mats – or Rossi, or the whole field by > promoting a spoof? Can you rule this out? Maybe. That possibility brings to mind this incident, where a fake article written by a physics professor

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From: Bob Cook Ø If the authors are embarrassed as has been suggested they should be, I doubt they will come to Vortex-L for consultation. First things first. The real problem is that there is a fabulous Library of LENR experiments, readily available to consult, and free to explore.

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In reply to Teslaalset's message of Fri, 16 Oct 2015 09:50:19 +0200: Hi, [snip] >*The scientists are now preparing for a well-planned experiment with all >necessary safety measures, ideally with a transparent reactor body since >the effect according to the scientists releases a lot of light.*

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Add some BORAX to the water, I hear that's even better. -Original Message- From: mix...@bigpond.com [mailto:mix...@bigpond.com] Sent: Friday, October 16, 2015 5:11 PM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: [Vo]:Re: Swedish scientists claim LENR explanation break-through In reply

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In reply to Craig Haynie's message of Fri, 16 Oct 2015 20:56:56 -0400: Hi, [snip] >What am I missing here? Is hydrogen not really necessary for this reaction? >Then why was it considered so important? > >Craig .. another reason why their explanation is probably invalid, or they are inventing a

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Sokal article is clerly an danger in this field. On Fri, 16 Oct 2015 16:59:32 -0500, Eric Walker wrote: On Fri, Oct 16, 2015 at 2:07 PM, Jones Beene wrote: Maybe the intent is to shame Mats - or Rossi, or the whole field by promoting a spoof? Can you rule this out? Maybe. That

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There are many things I find wrong with the theory expounded by this paper and the paper itself is poor. Here are some other complaints that you Vorts may or may not have already noted (not in any particular order). [I would be happy to hear how I might have gotten these wrong.] - The first

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From: Bob Higgins * There are many things I find wrong with the theory expounded by this paper and the paper itself is poor. I agree. It is so poor that it reflects badly on the LENR community that it is being praised. From: Bob Cook * * The Li-7 would pick up a

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Bob, I understand that the process you are describing is one of them that they assume is occurring. But, you know there must be other elements such as aluminum within range of those low energy neutrons. If even a tiny fraction of the slow neutrons end up being absorbed by one of these

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Even if this isn't the right explanation, it is the one that patent applicants should use. I've been saying all along that guys like Rossi and P should have called it a super-resonating chemical reaction and just keep experimenting until they have production units. This might even explain how

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In reply to Bob Cook's message of Thu, 15 Oct 2015 21:26:22 -0700: Hi, [snip] It doesn't matter which element/isotope absorbs the neutron, or which isotope it creates. Every reaction is going to produce an energetic gamma immediately. ALL the excess energy from this process is going to be in the

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Sent: Thursday, October 15, 2015 5:22 PM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: [Vo]:Re: Swedish scientists claim LENR explanation break-through Bob, I understand that the process you are describing is one of them that they assume is occurring. But, you know there must be other elements

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I wrote: Only after this first step is the energy debt paid back in a second step > involving the exothermic neutron capture reaction (which would be > accompanied by deexcitation gammas). > Note that there's two sources of gammas. There's the gamma that is released during the reaction (Robin's

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On Thu, Oct 15, 2015 at 10:55 PM, Bob Cook wrote: I believe the authors know what they are about. > The authors approach the energy balance problem in two steps, and the first step is extremely endothermic. It's pretty difficult to separate a neutron from 7Li or d and

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What any reasonable theory of LENR must explain is how the positive feedback loop between the site of atomic transformation is occurring and the site of LENR causation. What transfers the reaction energy(binding energy?) to and fro. Then there is all the miracles of LENR to be explained. In

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Bob, The life after death phenomena appears to be a consequence of the core power being able to supply the energy and hence temperature required to keep the reaction going. This is a form of positive feedback. Rossi refers to this form of operation as SSM(self sustaining mode) and I have

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Bob/FrankZ, I remember seeing a phrase which stated acoustic resonance or something similar, but cannot find it. You mention sonic resonances… Wouldn’t it be a real kicker if this agrees with Frank Z’s ‘frequency of sound in the nucleus’??? Frank, care to comment??? -mark From: