Re: [Vo]:Engineering and materials issues with high temperature hot-cat Lugano demo

2014-10-15 Thread Eric Walker
I wrote: The following is a bit speculative, but perhaps someone can correct any misstatements I make -- if there is a magnetic field being created by the cables coiling around the tube [1], I believe the field would point along the axis of the tube, creating a theta pinch, even if only

[Vo]:high temp condinsate

2014-10-15 Thread Axil Axil
*http://scitation.aip.org/content/aip/journal/jcp/136/3/10.1063/1.3678015 http://scitation.aip.org/content/aip/journal/jcp/136/3/10.1063/1.3678015* *Quote:* Within the optical cavity, the photons acquire an effective mass as determined by the cut-off frequency of the cavity that can be 6–7 orders

[Vo]:temperature of the resistor wire.

2014-10-15 Thread H Veeder
Some people suspect that the resistor wire can't be Inconel because they are predicted to melt at the reactor's operating temperature. However, since we know the resistor wire casts a shadow in the alumina, the temperature of the wire remains below the operating temperature and therefore can't

Re: [Vo]:temperature of the resistor wire.

2014-10-15 Thread Robert Lynn
how do you know this? How do you know the the wire is not the brightest area? On 15 October 2014 15:06, H Veeder hveeder...@gmail.com wrote: Some people suspect that the resistor wire can't be Inconel because they are predicted to melt at the reactor's operating temperature. However, since

Re: [Vo]:Engineering and materials issues with high temperature hot-cat Lugano demo

2014-10-15 Thread Robert Lynn
Highly doubtful. Above curie temperture of Nickel so no ferromagnetism, and powder too microscopic hot resistivity too high, and AC frequency, current and number of windings too low for strong magnetic fields or significant eddy currents to form and give push via lenzs law. On 15 October 2014

Re: [Vo]:temperature of the resistor wire.

2014-10-15 Thread ChemE Stewart
If you zoom in very closely on the hot reactor photos you can see the the dark lines are of uniform width, continuity and shade. I am 95% confident that is the shadow of the coil. The light areas change in brightness, width, etc. On Wed, Oct 15, 2014 at 3:56 AM, Robert Lynn

Re: [Vo]:temperature of the resistor wire.

2014-10-15 Thread Robert Lynn
I am looking at high zoom at the same photos and finding it easy to draw the opposite conclusion. Confirmation bias on both our parts :) I think it is equivocal at best. On 15 October 2014 19:52, ChemE Stewart cheme...@gmail.com wrote: If you zoom in very closely on the hot reactor photos you

Re: [Vo]:temperature of the resistor wire.

2014-10-15 Thread Robert Lynn
Additionally, look at the darkened photo, the wire exterior to the reactor sourrounded by cooler materials to radiate to are brighter than the bright wires in the reactor. Hard to believe it would be colder inside the reactor surrounded by relatively hotter materials that are harder to radiate

Re: [Vo]:Testing fuels without a reactor

2014-10-15 Thread Terry Blanton
On Tue, Oct 14, 2014 at 10:14 PM, ChemE Stewart cheme...@gmail.com wrote: Or just ride your bike... http://koin.com/2014/09/05/electric-bike-battery-may-have-caused-bend-house-fire/ I have been studying the 18650, the cell which powers the Tesla. Proper charging of the cell is a far cry from

RE: [Vo]:temperature of the resistor wire.

2014-10-15 Thread Jones Beene
From: ChemE Stewart If you zoom in very closely on the hot reactor photos you can see the the dark lines are of uniform width, continuity and shade. If this is 3-phase 50-cycle, then the photo should be showing the gap of the odd phase at any instant, which gap moves in one

Re: [Vo]:temperature of the resistor wire.

2014-10-15 Thread ChemE Stewart
The photo is an average of radiation from 50 Hz cycles, not instantaneous...temp does not swing that quickly...?... On Wednesday, October 15, 2014, Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net wrote: *From:* ChemE Stewart If you zoom in very closely on the hot reactor photos you can see the the dark

Re: [Vo]:temperature of the resistor wire.

2014-10-15 Thread Blaze Spinnaker
They specifically say in the report the coils are the dark areas. I doubt they're lying about that. On Wed, Oct 15, 2014 at 6:07 AM, Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net wrote: *From:* ChemE Stewart If you zoom in very closely on the hot reactor photos you can see the the dark lines are of

Re: [Vo]:temperature of the resistor wire.

2014-10-15 Thread ChemE Stewart
Can you attach that photo? I am not sure which one On Wednesday, October 15, 2014, Robert Lynn robert.gulliver.l...@gmail.com wrote: Additionally, look at the darkened photo, the wire exterior to the reactor sourrounded by cooler materials to radiate to are brighter than the bright wires in

RE: [Vo]:temperature of the resistor wire.

2014-10-15 Thread Jones Beene
Depends on the camera exposure time… Probably a digital camera. What would the exposure time be? From: ChemE Stewart The photo is an average of radiation from 50 Hz cycles, not instantaneous...temp does not swing that quickly...?... If you zoom in very closely on the hot reactor photos

Re: [Vo]:temperature of the resistor wire.

2014-10-15 Thread ChemE Stewart
I think it also depends on high quickly the wire temp oscillates, thermal conductivity, etc On Wednesday, October 15, 2014, Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net wrote: Depends on the camera exposure time… Probably a digital camera. What would the exposure time be? *From:* ChemE Stewart The

Re: [Vo]:temperature of the resistor wire.

2014-10-15 Thread Robert Lynn
Not lying, but perhaps again confirmation bias, based on wrong assumptions. How can the inconel wire in Fig 12b be hotter/brighter in the cooler external environment outside the end of the reactor than it is in the hotter internal environment inside the reactor? On 15 October 2014 21:12, Blaze

Re: [Vo]:temperature of the resistor wire.

2014-10-15 Thread ChemE Stewart
The wire is not in the reactor, it is embedded in the insulating alumina shell On Wednesday, October 15, 2014, Robert Lynn robert.gulliver.l...@gmail.com wrote: Not lying, but perhaps again confirmation bias, based on wrong assumptions. How can the inconel wire in Fig 12b be hotter/brighter

[Vo]:The Potential Vortex of Self-consistent Electrodynamics

2014-10-15 Thread James Bowery
PIERS Proceedings, Moscow, Russia, August 19–23, 2012 *Self-consistent Electrodynamics https://piers.org/piersproceedings/download.php?file=cGllcnMyMDEyTW9zY293fDFBN18wMTcyLnBkZnwxMjAzMTkwNTU5MTE=* Konstantin Meyl Faculty of Computer and Electrical Engineering, Furtwangen University, Germany

RE: [Vo]:temperature of the resistor wire.

2014-10-15 Thread Jones Beene
From: Robert Lynn How can the Inconel wire in Fig 12b be hotter/brighter in the cooler external environment outside the end of the reactor than it is in the hotter internal environment inside the reactor? In FWIW department, here is the grade of Inconel often used for resistor wire

Re: [Vo]:temperature of the resistor wire.

2014-10-15 Thread ChemE Stewart
I keep thinking he has built some sort of alumina/ceramic klystron/microwave tube with that reactor. http://www.daenotes.com/electronics/microwave-radar/microwave-tube-devices On Wednesday, October 15, 2014, Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net wrote: *From:* Robert Lynn How can the Inconel

Re: [Vo]:temperature of the resistor wire.

2014-10-15 Thread Jed Rothwell
ChemE Stewart cheme...@gmail.com wrote: I think it also depends on high quickly the wire temp oscillates, thermal conductivity, etc Macroscopic changes in temperature are very slow compared to the kinds of pulses a camera might capture. Unless you are talking about temperature changes in micro

RE: [Vo]:temperature of the resistor wire.

2014-10-15 Thread Jones Beene
From: ChemE Stewart I keep thinking he has built some sort of alumina/ceramic klystron/microwave tube with that reactor. Maybe… but is it not fair to say that you are kinda’ obsessed with microwaves :-) BTW in response to James Bowery’s post on Meryl – the SPP is an intense

Re: [Vo]:temperature of the resistor wire.

2014-10-15 Thread Alan Fletcher
From: ChemE Stewart cheme...@gmail.com Sent: Wednesday, October 15, 2014 6:28:37 AM The wire is not in the reactor, it is embedded in the insulating alumina shell. That's a guess. But it might be true. I drew (and scanned) some diagrams of a possible structure following the March 2013

Re: [Vo]:temperature of the resistor wire.

2014-10-15 Thread Robert Lynn
But the wire cannot be tungsten outside of the reactor where it is exposed to air! Only inconel will survive air exposure at such temperatures for a month, and it maxes out at about 1300-1350°C (even that is pushing it). And that wire (Fig 12b) is visibly brighter than the wire lines in the

Re: [Vo]:temperature of the resistor wire.

2014-10-15 Thread ChemE Stewart
You would think after 30 days of sitting around, staring at the reactor , drinking coffee, eating lunch, sleeping and thinking about it, the team of scientists would have discussed all of this and verified. They would have plenty of time to triple check readings, even some type of portable

Re: [Vo]:temperature of the resistor wire.

2014-10-15 Thread Alan Fletcher
fig 2 : http://lenr.qumbu.com/web_hotcat2_pics/141011_lugano_fig2.jpg No banding, dummy run fig10 : http://lenr.qumbu.com/web_hotcat2_pics/141011_lugano_fig10.png Possible IR banding, dummy run fig 12a : http://lenr.qumbu.com/web_hotcat2_pics/141011_lugano_fig12a.jpg Strong visible banding

Re: [Vo]:temperature of the resistor wire.

2014-10-15 Thread Robert Dorr
I've been thinking of tungsten for a while now. Do they make an alloy with tungsten that operates at high temps in an oxygen atmosphere. I ask because, although the tungsten that is embedded in the reactor would be protected from oxygen by the aluminum oxide coating, you have to connect it

Re: [Vo]:temperature of the resistor wire.

2014-10-15 Thread David Roberson
Your conclusion that there is no gain is incorrect. If that were the situation, the behavior that the testers witnessed with increasing temperature could not have happened. I do not know how much gain was actually present due to some of the questions that remain about the true temperature,

Re: [Vo]:temperature of the resistor wire.

2014-10-15 Thread ChemE Stewart
12A looks like a damn flame shooting out the end of the thing! Thin/uniform bands spiraling one way and thinker bands going the other. That alumina shell looks wrapped, sort of like a paper mache newspaper wrap, like alumina felt soaked in glue and wrapped. It is not even straight. On Wed, Oct

Re: [Vo]:temperature of the resistor wire.

2014-10-15 Thread Jed Rothwell
I wrote: Macroscopic changes in temperature are very slow compared to the kinds of pulses a camera might capture. I mean they all blur together. If there are moving pulses of heat under the alumina, by the time the heat reaches the surface it blurs together and you would not see light and

Re: [Vo]:temperature of the resistor wire.

2014-10-15 Thread ChemE Stewart
I agree On Wed, Oct 15, 2014 at 11:03 AM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote: I wrote: Macroscopic changes in temperature are very slow compared to the kinds of pulses a camera might capture. I mean they all blur together. If there are moving pulses of heat under the alumina, by

[Vo]:An galling alternative

2014-10-15 Thread Jones Beene
One more followup on Bob Ellefson's analysis of the SEM/EDS ToF/SIMS where the unexpected surprise was apparent gallium. (mass 69) I am wondering if the explanation is not exactly nuclear ! but instead, the lithium has been fully absorbed into the K or L shell of the Ni62, giving it high

RE: [Vo]:temperature of the resistor wire.

2014-10-15 Thread Jones Beene
Robert Lynn wrote: But the wire cannot be tungsten outside of the reactor where it is exposed to air! It could be exposed to air in the reactor too. One could imagine the leads into the end-caps are Inconel - and the wire coils are tungsten coated with alumina, or else body is two

[Vo]:Lockheed says makes breakthrough on fusion energy project - Yahoo News

2014-10-15 Thread Jones Beene
Lockheed says makes breakthrough on fusion energy project - Yahoo News WHOA ! http://news.yahoo.com/lockheed-says-makes-breakthrough-fusion-energy-project-123840986--finance.html Get this: “Ultra-dense deuterium, an isotope of hydrogen, is found in the earth's oceans…. I am

Re: [Vo]:Lockheed says makes breakthrough on fusion energy project - Yahoo News

2014-10-15 Thread Robert Dorr
Makes you wonder if this is LENR related. 100 megawatts from a reactor that fits on a truck, and no radioactive waste!!! Hmmm Robert Dorr On 10/15/2014 8:19 AM, Jones Beene wrote: Lockheed says makes breakthrough on fusion energy project - Yahoo News WHOA !

Re: [Vo]:An galling alternative

2014-10-15 Thread Brad Lowe
Martin Fleiishchmann Memorial Project Facebook page brought up the G69 and said it can be safely ignored as an artifact of the SIMS probe. https://www.facebook.com/MartinFleischmannMemorialProject SIMS stands for Secondary Ion Mass Spectrometry and Gallium 69 is used as the primary ionisation

Re: [Vo]:Engineering and materials issues with high temperature hot-cat Lugano demo

2014-10-15 Thread Eric Walker
On Wed, Oct 15, 2014 at 1:04 AM, Robert Lynn robert.gulliver.l...@gmail.com wrote: Highly doubtful. Above curie temperture of Nickel so no ferromagnetism, and powder too microscopic hot resistivity too high I assume, then, that magnetic domains and the curie temperature are not relevant.

RE: [Vo]:Lockheed says makes breakthrough on fusion energy project - Yahoo News

2014-10-15 Thread Jones Beene
The video is pretty http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embeddedv=UlYClniDFkM v=UlYClniDFkM but sparse technical details. Looks a lot like they added magnetic coils to the Farnsworth Fusor. I want to know about the

Re: [Vo]:temperature of the resistor wire.

2014-10-15 Thread Alan Fletcher
I wrote up my analysis of the banding : (Draft -- I'll rename it later). http://lenr.qumbu.com/rossi_hotcat_oct2014_141014a.php Short answer : we don't even know whether the bright bands line up with the wires, or the gaps between them. There are multiple explanations, which depend on the

RE: [Vo]:An galling alternative

2014-10-15 Thread Jones Beene
Thanks Brad AFAIK the SIMS which use gallium use elemental gallium, so there should be a 71Ga signal as well, which is apparently not seen. 40% of elemental gallium is mass-71. Do they have a reference for a device which only uses 69Ga? If so, case closed. -Original Message- From:

Re: [Vo]:Engineering and materials issues with high temperature hot-cat Lugano demo

2014-10-15 Thread Bob Higgins
I just suggested the following as the construction of the latest hotCat to MFMP: Here is a section drawing of the end of the new hotCat as I see it ( https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B5Pc25a4cOM2WXBNRjE2bDVVT1U/view?usp=sharing ). I believe IH would have used as many off-the-shelf components as

Re: [Vo]:Lockheed says makes breakthrough on fusion energy project - Yahoo News

2014-10-15 Thread Robert Dorr
Watching the video makes me a bit suspicious of the no radiation claim. High temperature fusion, magnetically bottled in a small container. Seems to me the container will eventually become radioactive. Robert Dorr On 10/15/2014 9:17 AM, Jones Beene wrote: The video is pretty

RE: [Vo]:Lockheed says makes breakthrough on fusion energy project - Yahoo News

2014-10-15 Thread Jones Beene
If there are neutrons emitted, then everything becomes activated, and this reactor cannot be used on an airplane, as suggested. In the Wiki entry http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aneutronic_fusion …there are two deuterium possibilities. But even those have secondary neutrons. This does

Re: [Vo]:Lockheed says makes breakthrough on fusion energy project - Yahoo News

2014-10-15 Thread David Roberson
They state that the device operates at many millions of degrees so it does not make sense to discuss deuterium atoms. Ions are all that exist at that temperature. Dave -Original Message- From: Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Wed, Oct 15,

Re: [Vo]:E-cat : Minimum COP assuming worst mistakes possible

2014-10-15 Thread Alain Sepeda
A calibration curve will bend down. It never bends up. this mean that temperature grow less than the power ? this mean that when you increase the power, and if temperature grows much more that before, something anomalous is happening ? Either excess heat, or some external blanket effect

Re: [Vo]:E-cat : Minimum COP assuming worst mistakes possible

2014-10-15 Thread David Roberson
You have a good understanding in my opinion. There is no doubt that energy is being generated within the core. Dave -Original Message- From: Alain Sepeda alain.sep...@gmail.com To: Vortex List vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Wed, Oct 15, 2014 12:59 pm Subject: Re: [Vo]:E-cat :

Re: [Vo]:temperature of the resistor wire.

2014-10-15 Thread Alan Fletcher
New version with embedded wires. http://lenr.qumbu.com/rossi_hotcat_oct2014_141014b.php Here I've also assumed that the wires are a simple single strand, rather than the spiral form used in the earlier tests, and are in good thermal contact with the Alumina.

Re: [Vo]:Engineering and materials issues with high temperature hot-cat Lugano demo

2014-10-15 Thread Alain Sepeda
One detail is how does the e-cat work when in after-death mode (SSM). One mystery for me is the powder not to melt, hotter and the around... I feel E-cat are very well engineered... we can be surpised like physicists were by felischmanpons calorimeter... 2014-10-15 18:24 GMT+02:00 Bob Higgins

Re: [Vo]:Engineering and materials issues with high temperature hot-cat Lugano demo

2014-10-15 Thread Alan Fletcher
I now think the general structure is more like this : http://lenr.qumbu.com/web_hotcat_pics/hotcat_141014_1_010.png See http://lenr.qumbu.com/rossi_hotcat_oct2014_141014b.php in my other thread for details - Original Message - From: Bob Higgins rj.bob.higg...@gmail.com To:

Re: [Vo]:Engineering and materials issues with high temperature hot-cat Lugano demo

2014-10-15 Thread Bob Higgins
Alan, Alumina fires at an extremely hot temperature, 1600-1700C for 96%, and for high purity aluminas, the firing temperature may be over 1800C. Firing must also occur in an oxygen (air) environment or the alumina will lose some of it oxygen during firing. Embedding any metals in this and having

Re: [Vo]:Engineering and materials issues with high temperature hot-cat Lugano demo

2014-10-15 Thread Jed Rothwell
You Alan have done an amazing job sleuthing out the details of this thing. I suppose you are right, although I cannot tell. If you are right it is a great job and if you are wrong you have a vivid imagination! - Jed

Re: [Vo]:Engineering and materials issues with high temperature hot-cat Lugano demo

2014-10-15 Thread ChemE Stewart
Me too, good job. Tube in a tube reminds of the model rockets I used to build. Fin supports between tubes might explain the wider dark band seen as a spiral?. Do you think a lot of the heat might be discharged in a space between tubes and out the ends? Or are the ends completely sealed? On

Re: [Vo]:Engineering and materials issues with high temperature hot-cat Lugano demo

2014-10-15 Thread Bob Higgins
I believe the ends, between the central tube and the outer 2 cm hot tube, are filled in with a refractory cement. In fact, that whole space, and maybe not the ends could be filled in to help improve the thermal conductivity. Most importantly it should keep out the air that could oxidize the

Re: [Vo]:Engineering and materials issues with high temperature hot-cat Lugano demo

2014-10-15 Thread Alan Fletcher
From: ChemE Stewart cheme...@gmail.com Sent: Wednesday, October 15, 2014 11:08:42 AM Me too, good job. Tube in a tube reminds of the model rockets I used to build. Fin supports between tubes might explain the wider dark band seen as a spiral?. Do you think a lot of the heat might be

[Vo]:Today's Confront Journal

2014-10-15 Thread Peter Gluck
Dear Friends, The second issue of this Confront journal: starts with a really bad shock http://egooutpeters.blogspot.ro/2014/10/lenr-confront-journal-october-15-2014.html but ends in a realistic- optimistic note. Peter -- Dr. Peter Gluck Cluj, Romania http://egooutpeters.blogspot.com

[Vo]:Gibbsite

2014-10-15 Thread Jones Beene
This is not Mark Gibbs' site but an aluminum mineral which may be relevant to this discussion. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gibbsite Gibbsite is Al(OH)3 is one of the minerals found in bauxite. Unlike other hydroxides, it is stable at high temperature. We are told that in the Rossi reactor

Re: [Vo]:E-cat : Minimum COP assuming worst mistakes possible

2014-10-15 Thread Jack Cole
I agree David. You can verify this by looking at the data for both the caps and the E-Cat body. The caps are not incandescent, so there does not appear to be any transparency issue there. The Delta T/Watt is nearly the same despite an increase in input power of ~100W. You would expect it to be

Re: [Vo]:E-cat : Minimum COP assuming worst mistakes possible

2014-10-15 Thread Jed Rothwell
Alain Sepeda alain.sep...@gmail.com wrote: A calibration curve will bend down. It never bends up. this mean that temperature grow less than the power ? Right. this mean that when you increase the power, and if temperature grows much more that before, something anomalous is happening ?

[Vo]:the true source of energy

2014-10-15 Thread Axil Axil
If the nickel particles are the ultimate source of 3.5X over-unity heat in the Rossi reactor, it is paradoxical and against common sense that 900 constantly applied watts of heat energy is required to keep the nickel particles active. Furthermore, this COP value is far under what the Hot-cat

RE: [Vo]:Gibbsite

2014-10-15 Thread Jones Beene
According to Albert, adding 25 MWhrs (90 gigajoules) of any form of energy to an object increases its mass by 1 milligram, even though no matter has been added... and vice-versa. In the case of the AR glow-tube, where 1.5 MWhr has been reported, the equivalent mass loss would only be about 60

Re: [Vo]:Gibbsite

2014-10-15 Thread ChemE Stewart
Yeah might be pulling protons out of the Dirac sea to combine with electrons, or something like that On Wednesday, October 15, 2014, Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net wrote: According to Albert, adding 25 MWhrs (90 gigajoules) of any form of energy to an object increases its mass by 1 milligram,

Re: [Vo]:E-cat : Minimum COP assuming worst mistakes possible

2014-10-15 Thread David Roberson
Good point Jack. One item of interest is that my simulation shows that one can refer to two different COPs when the core generates heating power that are not so evident with an inactive core. The first is an incremental COP that is calculated by taking the derivative of the output power at a

Re: [Vo]:the true source of energy

2014-10-15 Thread Alan Fletcher
From: Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com Sent: Wednesday, October 15, 2014 12:47:05 PM The conclusion that logic forces us to arrive at must be that there is another place where all that over unity heat is coming from. These particles cannot be producing (900 watts) (3.5) = 3150 watts of

Re: [Vo]:the true source of energy

2014-10-15 Thread Daniel Rocha
Perhaps these are the sources. If you look at the literature (I don't remember where, but I think it's a paper o presentation from Kim), it's pointed out that 24MeV particles from within old experiments with Pd look like conic craters with 4um in diameter and similar depth, if my memory is

Re: [Vo]:the true source of energy

2014-10-15 Thread David Roberson
We may eventually come to the conclusion that the nickel can produce power even in the molten form. That seems to be what is implied. Is there reason to assume that molten nickel can not work? A higher temperature might enhance the process that is not well understood at the moment. I have

Re: [Vo]:the true source of energy

2014-10-15 Thread mixent
In reply to David Roberson's message of Wed, 15 Oct 2014 16:16:29 -0400: Hi, [snip] We may eventually come to the conclusion that the nickel can produce power even in the molten form. That seems to be what is implied. Is there reason to assume that molten nickel can not work? A higher

Re: [Vo]:the true source of energy

2014-10-15 Thread Bob Higgins
I believe that Ni particles will not work once melted - just intuition, because I don't buy the neutron stripping yet. If we take a leap of faith and say that the central reactor core alumina tube is coated with particles sintered to its inside (like a catalytic converter for example), we don't

Re: [Vo]:Gibbsite

2014-10-15 Thread mixent
In reply to Jones Beene's message of Wed, 15 Oct 2014 12:13:20 -0700: Hi, [snip] If 0.006 gm of H has to supply 1.5 MWh, then each atom needs to supply 9.3 MeV. This is not out of the question, if the right reaction is found. However if it only acts as a catalyst for neutron transfer reactions,

Re: [Vo]:An galling alternative

2014-10-15 Thread mixent
In reply to Jones Beene's message of Wed, 15 Oct 2014 08:05:31 -0700: Hi, [snip] One more followup on Bob Ellefson's analysis of the SEM/EDS ToF/SIMS where the unexpected surprise was apparent gallium. (mass 69) I am wondering if the explanation is not exactly nuclear ! but instead, the lithium

Re: [Vo]:Gibbsite

2014-10-15 Thread Terry Blanton
On Wed, Oct 15, 2014 at 4:03 PM, Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net wrote: What's the point? The point is that if there is a real paradigm shift here, then it does not necessarily have to nuclear fusion as the source, not even involve the nucleus. We should be thinking outside the box ... err...

[Vo]:Lockheed- Fusion website-Gone????

2014-10-15 Thread Ron Kita
Greetings vortex-L, Went here after seeing it earlier..now gone. Temporary??? http://www.lockheedmartin.com/us/news/press-releases/2014/october/141015ae_lockheed-martin-pursuing-compact-nucelar-fusion.html Ad astra, Ron Kita, Chiralex

Re: [Vo]:Lockheed- Fusion website-Gone????

2014-10-15 Thread Patrick Ellul
Still Listed here: http://www.lockheedmartin.com/us/news/press-releases.html On Thu, Oct 16, 2014 at 10:02 AM, Ron Kita chiralex.k...@gmail.com wrote: Greetings vortex-L, Went here after seeing it earlier..now gone. Temporary???

Re: [Vo]:Lockheed- Fusion website-Gone????

2014-10-15 Thread Patrick Ellul
You have a typo in your link. nuCELar ... cheers patrick On Thu, Oct 16, 2014 at 10:17 AM, Patrick Ellul ellulpatr...@gmail.com wrote: Still Listed here: http://www.lockheedmartin.com/us/news/press-releases.html On Thu, Oct 16, 2014 at 10:02 AM, Ron Kita chiralex.k...@gmail.com wrote:

RE: [Vo]:Testing fuels without a reactor

2014-10-15 Thread Robert Ellefson
Ok, after escalating from random-questions-embedded-in-a-long-posting to open-conjecture-with-direct-questions and getting nowhere, I went with the shakily-supported-but-loudly-declared-claim-of-fact route so popular on the internet, and that elicited a couple of responses from kind and

Re: [Vo]:temperature of the resistor wire.

2014-10-15 Thread Robert Lynn
the resistor wire expands with respect to the alumina as it heats up, breaking any bonding contact, or lifting the wire of the inner alumina tube in more and more places and leading to less and less conductive contact - prompting the wire to heat up as more as more of the energy it transmits to

Re: [Vo]:temperature of the resistor wire.

2014-10-15 Thread ChemE Stewart
Since they are measuring the input energy to the wire that makes no sense On Wednesday, October 15, 2014, Robert Lynn robert.gulliver.l...@gmail.com wrote: the resistor wire expands with respect to the alumina as it heats up, breaking any bonding contact, or lifting the wire of the inner

Re: [Vo]:temperature of the resistor wire.

2014-10-15 Thread Terry Blanton
Do you have exceptional hearing?

Re: [Vo]:temperature of the resistor wire.

2014-10-15 Thread Robert Lynn
It has nothing to do with measuring of the wire power, except that as the wire heats up, increase the thermal resistance of the heat flow between wire and reactor body (by reducing number of points of physical contact) and of course the wire temperature will go up (given same input power) - I

Re: [Vo]:Engineering and materials issues with high temperature hot-cat Lugano demo

2014-10-15 Thread John Page
These might be pretty similar to Rossi's setup. (Google Superthal smu) Superthal heating modules Prefabricated heating modules consisting of vacuum-formed ceramic fibre with an integral Kanthal Super molybdenum-disilicide (MoSi2) heating element for up to 1750°C (3180°F) element temperature.

Re: [Vo]:Engineering and materials issues with high temperature hot-cat Lugano demo

2014-10-15 Thread Robert Lynn
such units are not made as 3 phase helically wound assemblies, MoSi2 is non-ductile/brittle and very difficult to make and even worse to bond to, and there is still the unanswered problem of how do you bond inconel wire that can survive only to 1350°C to an insulated heating element that is

Re: [Vo]:temperature of the resistor wire.

2014-10-15 Thread H Veeder
If the wire were the brightest area there would be no excess heat. Harry On Wed, Oct 15, 2014 at 3:56 AM, Robert Lynn robert.gulliver.l...@gmail.com wrote: how do you know this? How do you know the the wire is not the brightest area? On 15 October 2014 15:06, H Veeder hveeder...@gmail.com

Re: [Vo]:temperature of the resistor wire.

2014-10-15 Thread ChemE Stewart
But the reactor heat should drop at the same time. I guess it depends if they are measuring heat loss on all surfaces of the device. The total dissipated heat should not change except for due to the reaction and changes to input power. I have not read the report in detail to see how many

[Vo]:Aviation Week and the Lockheed Fusion Reactor

2014-10-15 Thread Ron Kita
Greeting Vortex-L, A yawn for the Aviation Week Lockheed Fusion website: http://aviationweek.com/technology/skunk-works-reveals-compact-fusion-reactor-details Ad Astra, Ron Kita, Chiralex Doylestown PA

Re: [Vo]:temperature of the resistor wire.

2014-10-15 Thread Axil Axil
Does this not indicate that the wire must be producing inductive heating in the powder? On Wed, Oct 15, 2014 at 8:23 PM, Robert Lynn robert.gulliver.l...@gmail.com wrote: the resistor wire expands with respect to the alumina as it heats up, breaking any bonding contact, or lifting the wire of

Re: [Vo]:temperature of the resistor wire.

2014-10-15 Thread ChemE Stewart
I think it is, but irregardless a wire alone cannot create COP1 On Wednesday, October 15, 2014, Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com wrote: Does this not indicate that the wire must be producing inductive heating in the powder? On Wed, Oct 15, 2014 at 8:23 PM, Robert Lynn

Re: [Vo]:temperature of the resistor wire.

2014-10-15 Thread Robert Lynn
So how do you imagine it inductively heats the powder given low AC frequency, weak solenoid magnetic field, tiny cross section area powder, and high resistivity of nickel near its melting point? The physics + mathematics to estimate the magnetic field strength and eddy currents induced are

Re: [Vo]:temperature of the resistor wire.

2014-10-15 Thread Axil Axil
Why did Rossi say that a DC current applied to the wire would not work? Why does the startup procedure need for a magnetic field to be applied? On Wed, Oct 15, 2014 at 9:56 PM, Robert Lynn robert.gulliver.l...@gmail.com wrote: So how do you imagine it inductively heats the powder given low AC

Re: [Vo]:temperature of the resistor wire.

2014-10-15 Thread ChemE Stewart
So how many turns are in the coil? And what are you calculating for a field strength? On Wednesday, October 15, 2014, Robert Lynn robert.gulliver.l...@gmail.com wrote: So how do you imagine it inductively heats the powder given low AC frequency, weak solenoid magnetic field, tiny cross section

Re: [Vo]:temperature of the resistor wire.

2014-10-15 Thread H Veeder
​If the wire inside the reactor was hot enough to glow it should produce a more uniform spiral glow along the entire length of the tube. Harry On Wed, Oct 15, 2014 at 8:19 AM, Robert Lynn robert.gulliver.l...@gmail.com wrote: Additionally, look at the darkened photo, the wire exterior to the

[Vo]:Thermography

2014-10-15 Thread H Veeder
If the thermography was done reasonably well, then it is proving to be more than just a means of measuring excess heat, it is also a means of probing the LENR phenomena. Harry

Re: [Vo]:temperature of the resistor wire.

2014-10-15 Thread Robert Lynn
Not if it is touching the walls of inner or outer alumina tube in places, intermittent contact due to vagaries of original wire winding around inner tube and subsequent large differential thermal expansion so that the wire is quenched in some places but not in others. Would explain the variation

Re: [Vo]:temperature of the resistor wire.

2014-10-15 Thread H Veeder
Thanks for posting your ideas. I hadn't seen that picture of the march 2013 reactor sitting on the scale with heating coils visible. Why don't we just accept that the authors of the 2014 test also know enough about the construction of the reactor to say that the dark bands align with the wires?

Re: [Vo]:temperature of the resistor wire.

2014-10-15 Thread ChemE Stewart
This is the likely what makes it appear that there is a gain above 1. So at least we have you now believing that a wire cannot create a gain above 1 and that the wire is not inside the reactor core. I wonder if we can estimate number of coil wraps from the photo(dark bands), we might be

Re: [Vo]:temperature of the resistor wire.

2014-10-15 Thread Robert Lynn
Nullis in verba. :) I believe my eyes more than others words. In finding so many potential faults with so little published information (they had a month to investigate!!) I can only say that I am unimpressed by the critical observational skills of the testers. If they had approached this demo

Re: [Vo]:temperature of the resistor wire.

2014-10-15 Thread Robert Lynn
Nullis in verba. :) I believe my eyes more than others words. In finding so many potential faults with so little published information (they had a month to investigate!!) I can only say that I am unimpressed by the critical observational skills or reporting of the testers. If they had

Re: [Vo]:E-cat : Minimum COP assuming worst mistakes possible

2014-10-15 Thread H Veeder
You might say I am splitting hairs but what Mckubre has written here is technically incorrect. The Stephan-Boltzman law is relationship between temperature and output power. It is not a relationship between input power and output power so you can't use the law by itself to infer any relationship

Re: [Vo]:temperature of the resistor wire.

2014-10-15 Thread David Roberson
Bob, you appear to be too convinced that the gain is unity and are going to great lengths to obtain that result. The testers are well respected scientists and no one should assume that they are so easily misslead. Besides, there are several measurements that support the fact that the COP is

Re: [Vo]:Gibbsite

2014-10-15 Thread Eric Walker
On Wed, Oct 15, 2014 at 1:50 PM, mix...@bigpond.com wrote: However if it [hydrogen] only acts as a catalyst for neutron transfer reactions, then nowhere near that amount would be needed. My current theory is that the hydrogen plays no role in this particular instance. Perhaps elsewhere, deep

Re: [Vo]:E-cat : Minimum COP assuming worst mistakes possible

2014-10-15 Thread David Roberson
To go a bit further, the law applies to black body radiation and not just any emitter. I suspect it is a difficult task to prove that the actual power being radiated is exactly what is expected unless a system is constructed to capture all of the radiation over the entire spectrum. Then that

Re: [Vo]:temperature of the resistor wire.

2014-10-15 Thread H Veeder
Look at this way the paper is getting peer reviewed in public. Hopefully they will revise the paper to address the criticisms. Harry On Wed, Oct 15, 2014 at 11:58 PM, Robert Lynn robert.gulliver.l...@gmail.com wrote: Nullis in verba. :) I believe my eyes more than others words. In finding

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