Re: [Vo]:How small Rossi devices might be ganged together

All the generators have to be balanced- heating capacity = cooling capacity; you cannot cool the second E-cat in a row with steam- very bad heat transmission. It must be something like warm- hot- very- hot- steam, or with the cooling "line" under pressure. Not an easy problem, however not an imposs

Re: [Vo]:Re: [Vo]:Swedish physicists on the E-cat: “It’s a nuclear reaction” / The used powder contains ten percent copper

In reply to Dennis's message of Wed, 6 Apr 2011 09:49:01 -0600: Hi, [snip] >Looking at the pictures, it seems to be fairly simple mechanically. The >chamber is 50cc and not 1 liter as we were made to believe. Two different devices. This 4 kW version has a 50 cc chamber. The original 10 kW versio

Re: [Vo]:How small Rossi devices might be ganged together

In reply to Peter Gluck's message of Thu, 7 Apr 2011 07:51:42 +0300: Hi, [snip] >> Yup. But I started writing that text before I learned that. Besides a 10 x >> 10 array is easy to envision, whereas . . . 17 x 17? I think that if you put two devices in series you already get superheated steam, so

Re: [Vo]:How small Rossi devices might be ganged together

Have you seen what has answered Rossi re my question about E-lions or E-tigers? Here IS a problem, but 300 E-kitten bound together IS a greater problem, I think On Wed, Apr 6, 2011 at 11:56 PM, Jed Rothwell wrote: > SHIRAKAWA Akira wrote: > > >> According to Rossi's latest plans, the megawatt r

Re: [Vo]:Nickel and Copper

I wrote: >Stellar fusion can account for the lighter elements up to and including iron, >but how the heavier elements arose is not so clear. Indeed, most of the >heavier >elements might be produced by cold fusion processes. Well maybe most of the heavy elements can be explained by stellar fus

Re: [Vo]:RE: [Vo]:Swedish physicists on the E-cat: "It's a nuclear reaction" / The used powder contains ten percent copper

In reply to Jones Beene's message of Wed, 6 Apr 2011 07:59:15 -0700: Hi, [snip] >When you compare the amount of hydrogen "lost" compared to the energy >released, it works out to something like 100 keV per proton (but that can vary >depending on which Rossi quote you have) ... which is far less t

Re: [Vo]:RE: [Vo]:Swedish physicists on the E-cat: "It's a nuclear reaction" / The used powder contains ten percent copper

In reply to P.J van Noorden's message of Wed, 6 Apr 2011 16:46:27 +0200: Hi, [snip] >The energy release of the hydrino producing reaction is 50 MJ/mol hydrogen >gas. The prefered reactionproduct seems to be H1/4. >See http://www.blacklightpower.com/papers/Eng%20Power050410S.pdf > >So if 25 kWh i

Re: [Vo]:RE: [Vo]:Swedish physicists on the E-cat: "It's a nuclear reaction" / The used powder contains ten percent copper

In reply to OrionWorks - Steven V Johnson's message of Wed, 6 Apr 2011 09:30:21 -0500: Hi, [snip] >Regarding the hydrino theory, my first impression would be to conclude >(with absolutely no math to back this conclusion up with) that not >enough hydrogen was consumed (into hydrinos) that would exp

Re: [Vo]:RE: [Vo]:Swedish physicists on the E-cat: "It's a nuclear reaction" / The used powder contains ten percent copper

In reply to Stephen A. Lawrence's message of Wed, 06 Apr 2011 22:25:21 -0400: Hi, [snip] >OTOH I suppose we can assume that lots of copper migrated, a little The problem with this is that the actual container holding the Ni is made of steel, not copper. The Copper is a second outer container form

RE: [Vo]:Swedish physicists on the E-cat: "It's a nuclear reaction" / The used powder contains ten percent copper

The write up says: "the reaction chamber is made of stainless steel" so I would assume that the water flows around the outside of it. Ron --On Wednesday, April 06, 2011 4:17 PM -0700 Jones Beene wrote: It looks to me like the water inlet goes through the center of the reactor. This would lik

Re: [Vo]:RE: [Vo]:Swedish physicists on the E-cat: "It's a nuclear reaction" / The used powder contains ten percent copper

In reply to Jed Rothwell's message of Wed, 6 Apr 2011 10:23:32 -0400: Hi, [snip] >Where are the electric fields that would cause electromigration? There are >no fields in copper pipes as far as I know. ...different metals form junctions. Two junctions at different temperatures will form a thermoc

Re: [Vo]:RE: [Vo]:Swedish physicists on the E-cat: "It's a nuclear reaction" / The used powder contains ten percent copper

In reply to Jones Beene's message of Wed, 6 Apr 2011 06:09:13 -0700: Hi, [snip] >Even hydrinos would result in an isotopic imbalance. Actually, the ratio of Ni62/Ni64 is about the same as the ratio of Cu63/Cu65, so adding a proton to Ni62 to give Cu63 and to Ni64 to give Cu65 would automatically

Re: [Vo]:Nickel and Copper

It worth noting that nickel and copper are often found together in mineral deposits. Harry > >From: Harry Veeder >To: vortex-l@eskimo.com >Sent: Wed, April 6, 2011 5:08:27 PM >Subject: Re: [Vo]:Nickel and Copper > > >oh it is not surprising that they are claiming copper is produced, since even

Re: [Vo]:Swedish physicists on the E-cat: "It's a nuclear reaction" / The used powder contains ten percent copper

In the Essen report, Fig. 3, you see the hydrogen pipe at the top of the cell, and the power lead for the resistance heater at the bottom (the red wire). I am assuming both of pass through the outer copper sleeve, and then into the inner cylindrical stainless steel container. Granted, that might be

Re: [Vo]:RE: [Vo]:Swedish physicists on the E-cat: "It's a nuclear reaction" / The used powder contains ten percent copper

On 04/06/2011 11:28 AM, OrionWorks - Steven V Johnson wrote: > >From Stephen > > ... > > >> It's more likely that Levi is in on the gag than that >> transmutation from nickel to copper produced "natural" >> isotope ratios in the ash. The former merely requires >> the assumption that a few hum

Re: [Vo]:Swedish physicists on the E-cat: "It's a nuclear reaction" / The used powder contains ten percent copper

Oh no I agree with Jed. Notice if it is just a SS cylinder inside some flowing water, it would be very easy to scale up. Just a bigger "pipe" or even a pond with lots of Cylinders down inside . D2 From: Jed Rothwell Sent: Wednesday, April 06, 2011 7:38 PM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Su

Re: [Vo]:Swedish physicists on the E-cat: "It's a nuclear reaction" / The used powder contains ten percent copper

Jones Beene wrote: It looks to me like the water inlet goes through the center of the reactor. > This would likely be a copper pipe along the axis, surrounded by the nickel > powder. I gather Ed Storms also thinks that is the configuration, with the water flowing through the center of the bulge

Re: [Vo]:Swedish physicists on the E-cat: \"It\'s a nuclear reaction\" / The used powder contains ten percent copper

On Wed, Apr 6, 2011 at 9:19 PM, Terry Blanton wrote: > What do you want from life? > > "Well, you can't have that, but if you're an American citizen you are > entitled to: > a heated kidney shaped pool, > a microwave oven--don't watch the food cook,  . . ." I am turning in for the night and let t

Re: [Vo]:Swedish physicists on the E-cat: \"It\'s a nuclear reaction\" / The used powder contains ten percent copper

What do you want from life? "Well, you can't have that, but if you're an American citizen you are entitled to: a heated kidney shaped pool, a microwave oven--don't watch the food cook, . . ." T

Re: [Vo]:Swedish physicists on the E-cat: \"It\'s a nuclear reaction\" / The used powder contains ten percent copper

On Wed, Apr 6, 2011 at 8:46 PM, Harry Veeder wrote: > I wonder if any of the other components of stainless steel might facilitate > the reaction Dunno. But the SS "pit" could contain any radioactivity from isotopes. This could allow Rossi to say that the ECat is not radioactive because it i

Re: [Vo]:Swedish physicists on the E-cat: \"It\'s a nuclear reaction\" / The used powder contains ten percent copper

I wonder if any of the other components of stainless steel might facilitate the reaction harry > >From: Jed Rothwell >To: vortex-l@eskimo.com >Sent: Wed, April 6, 2011 8:26:53 PM >Subject: Re: [Vo]:Swedish physicists on the E-cat: \"It\'s a nuclear >reaction\" >/ The used powder contains

Re: [Vo]:Swedish physicists on the E-cat: "It's a nuclear reaction" / The used powder contains ten percent copper

On Wed, Apr 6, 2011 at 7:47 PM, Terry Blanton wrote: > For a 50 cc volume, the internal sphere would have a radius of about 1 > inch (2.8 cm). That should be 2.3 cm internal radius. Sloppy math! T

Re: [Vo]:Swedish physicists on the E-cat: "It's a nuclear reaction" / The used powder contains ten percent copper

All this being said, how do you avoid the isotopic ash in a true N reaction as Mr. Beene originally points out? T

Re: [Vo]:Swedish physicists on the E-cat: "It's a nuclear reaction" / The used powder contains ten percent copper

yes, I would think that a practical design would be to have a single large flow system with several of the stainless reactors down inside the flow instead of having a hundred widen copper tubes to make. I also think that the additive is something that keeps the Ni surface reduced and supports

Re: [Vo]:Swedish physicists on the E-cat: "It's a nuclear reaction" / The used powder contains ten percent copper

On Wed, Apr 6, 2011 at 8:25 PM, Terry Blanton wrote: > Yeah, and that is probably similar to the 12 kW reactor; but, the heat > variance over that amount of material required 5 heaters to control. > The much simplified single heater with a smaller output is actually an > ingenious modification, IM

Re: [Vo]:Swedish physicists on the E-cat: \"It\'s a nuclear reaction\" / The used powder contains ten percent copper

Harry Veeder wrote: http://www.buzzle.com/articles/what-is-stainless-steel-made-of.html This does not say how much copper impurity is found. It must be less than 0.15% I guess. Allowable Impurities for stainless steel are listed in ASTM A276 but you gotta pay for that. - Jed

Re: [Vo]:Swedish physicists on the E-cat: "It's a nuclear reaction" / The used powder contains ten percent copper

On Wed, Apr 6, 2011 at 8:19 PM, Dennis wrote: > The patent drawings sure looks like cylinder type vessel containing Ni and > surrounded by flowing water. Yeah, and that is probably similar to the 12 kW reactor; but, the heat variance over that amount of material required 5 heaters to control. The

Re: [Vo]:Swedish physicists on the E-cat: \"It\'s a nuclear reaction\" / The used powder contains ten percent copper

http://www.buzzle.com/articles/what-is-stainless-steel-made-of.html Harry - Original Message > From: Terry Blanton > To: vortex-l@eskimo.com > Sent: Wed, April 6, 2011 7:55:58 PM > Subject: Re: [Vo]:Swedish physicists on the E-cat: \"It\'s a nuclear > reaction\" >/ The used powder c

Re: [Vo]:Swedish physicists on the E-cat: \"It\'s a nuclear reaction\" / The used powder contains ten percent copper

Dennis wrote: I thought of it as a stainless steel cylinder (easier to machine) inside > the [wider] part of the copper tubing with water flowing around it. > Yes, that is my understanding. In Fig. 4 you see a bulge in the copper pipe. Inside that bulge is a second, stainless steel chamber hold

Re: [Vo]:Swedish physicists on the E-cat: "It's a nuclear reaction" / The used powder contains ten percent copper

The patent drawings sure looks like cylinder type vessel containing Ni and surrounded by flowing water. Dennis C -- From: "Terry Blanton" Sent: Wednesday, April 06, 2011 5:53 PM To: Subject: Re: [Vo]:Swedish physicists on the E-cat: "It's a nucl

Re: [Vo]:Swedish physicists on the E-cat: \"It\'s a nuclear reaction\" / The used powder contains ten percent copper

It's probably something like nanonickel and buckyballs. :-) T

Re: [Vo]:Swedish physicists on the E-cat: \"It\'s a nuclear reaction\" / The used powder contains ten percent copper

I thought of it as a stainless steel cylinder (easier to machine) inside the widen part of the copper tubing with water flowing around it. >From the temperature curves, I think that the external heater gets the system >up to around 60C where the reaction starts to proceed. My guess for the >"se

Re: [Vo]:Swedish physicists on the E-cat: \"It\'s a nuclear reaction\" / The used powder contains ten percent copper

Maybe the catalyst isn't so very secret. T "Keep your powder dry, men."

Re: [Vo]:Swedish physicists on the E-cat: "It's a nuclear reaction" / The used powder contains ten percent copper

On Wed, Apr 6, 2011 at 7:47 PM, Jones Beene wrote: > Has anyone seen such a sphere? > > Nothing seen by me indicates that level of sophistication. Small spheres are > tricky to make and the outward of H2 pressure would possibly be more of a > problem than a central tube. > > An axial copper tube,

Re: [Vo]:Swedish physicists on the E-cat: "It's a nuclear reaction" / The used powder contains ten percent copper

Watson, bring me my Dremel tool! T

RE: [Vo]:Swedish physicists on the E-cat: \"It\'s a nuclear reaction\" / The used powder contains ten percent copper

Dennis, that is also how I interpreted the new paper but Jones then indicated there may also be copper inside the reactor. In either case I am convinced the initial Reaction is due to changes in nano geometry which causes change in suppression level that disassociates any molecular hydrogen or f

RE: [Vo]:Swedish physicists on the E-cat: "It's a nuclear reaction" / The used powder contains ten percent copper

Has anyone seen such a sphere? Nothing seen by me indicates that level of sophistication. Small spheres are tricky to make and the outward of H2 pressure would possibly be more of a problem than a central tube. An axial copper tube, even having lost mass to migration, would withstand a fairly hig

Re: [Vo]:Swedish physicists on the E-cat: "It's a nuclear reaction" / The used powder contains ten percent copper

On Wed, Apr 6, 2011 at 7:37 PM, Terry Blanton wrote: > Because that is not what I envision.  I envision a SS reactor vessel > enclosed within a copper sphere attached to a copper pipe.  The > reactor vessel is suspended inside the copper and the water passes > outside the SS reactor.  Water does

Re: [Vo]:Swedish physicists on the E-cat: "It's a nuclear reaction" / The used powder contains ten percent copper

that is also the way I see it. Otherwise you would need two copper components - inner Cu tube, stainless and then the outer Cu tube - A stainless reactor chamber inside a widen part of one copper component would be much easier to machine. Dennis C -

Re: [Vo]:Swedish physicists on the E-cat: "It's a nuclear reaction" / The used powder contains ten percent copper

On Wed, Apr 6, 2011 at 7:17 PM, Jones Beene wrote: > It looks to me like the water inlet goes through the center of the reactor. > This would likely be a copper pipe along the axis, surrounded by the nickel > powder. Copper ions would immediately start to migrate when heat was applied > to the out

RE: [Vo]:Swedish physicists on the E-cat: "It's a nuclear reaction" / The used powder contains ten percent copper

It looks to me like the water inlet goes through the center of the reactor. This would likely be a copper pipe along the axis, surrounded by the nickel powder. Copper ions would immediately start to migrate when heat was applied to the outside of the reactor. Did you enlarge the pictures? There is

Re: [Vo]:Swedish physicists on the E-cat: "It's a nuclear reaction" / The used powder contains ten percent copper

On Wed, Apr 6, 2011 at 6:59 PM, Terry Blanton wrote: > On Wed, Apr 6, 2011 at 6:48 PM, Jones Beene wrote: > >> IN SHORT - the migratory copper itself appears to be the "secret" catalyst, >> but only after it alloys with the nickel to form this super catalytic alloy >> - which almost splits the hy

Re: [Vo]:Swedish physicists on the E-cat: "It's a nuclear reaction" / The used powder contains ten percent copper

On Wed, Apr 6, 2011 at 6:48 PM, Jones Beene wrote: > IN SHORT - the migratory copper itself appears to be the "secret" catalyst, > but only after it alloys with the nickel to form this super catalytic alloy > - which almost splits the hydrogen molecule on contact. Unbelievable ! Well, then, it c

RE: [Vo]:Swedish physicists on the E-cat: "It's a nuclear reaction" / The used powder contains ten percent copper

-Original Message- From: Terry Blanton Well. The one problem is that the paper is not accessible except by fee. Copyrights and all that. You can read the abstract http://pubs.acs.org/doi/abs/10.1021/la981339q Romanowski is a nickel alloy expert. This finding is not new but was generally

Re: [Vo]:FAKES NOT ALL ELIMINATED : Swedish physicists on the E-cat: "It's a nuclear reaction"

At 03:34 PM 4/6/2011, Jed Rothwell wrote: Alan J Fletcher wrote:   Because the horizontal arm was NOT inspected "unwrapped", we have to assume it contained FAKE material. The 6 hour test was NOT long enough to eliminate all of the fakes. What on EARTH is THAT supposed to mean?

Re: [Vo]:FAKES NOT ALL ELIMINATED : Swedish physicists on the E-cat: "It's a nuclear reaction"

Alan J Fletcher wrote: > Because the horizontal arm was *NOT* inspected "unwrapped", we have to > assume it contained *FAKE* material. The 6 hour test was *NOT* long enough > to eliminate all of the fakes. > What on *EARTH* is *THAT* supposed to mean? The horizontal arm contains a mini-Rossi d

Re: [Vo]:FAKES NOT ALL ELIMINATED : Swedish physicists on the E-cat: "It's a nuclear reaction"

http://lenr.qumbu.com/fake_rossi_ecat_v314.php Preliminary Conclusion: Because the horizontal arm was NOT inspected "unwrapped", we have to assume it contained FAKE material. The 6 hour test was NOT long enough to eliminate all of the fakes.

Re: [Vo]:RE: [Vo]:Swedish physicists on the E-cat: "It's a nuclear reaction" / The used powder contains ten percent copper

the Cu would have to go through the water and then through the stainless steel to get to the powder. Dennis C -- From: "Harry Veeder" Sent: Wednesday, April 06, 2011 4:11 PM To: Subject: Re: [Vo]:RE: [Vo]:Swedish physicists on the E-cat: "It's a

Re: [Vo]:RE: [Vo]:Swedish physicists on the E-cat: "It's a nuclear reaction" / The used powder contains ten percent copper

Indeed from the link provided Akira it says:   "The reactor itself, which is loaded with the nickel powder and secret catalysts pressurized with hydrogen, has an estimated volume of 50 cubic centimeters (3.2 cubic inches). The reactor is made of stainless steel."     Harry - Original M

Re: [Vo]:Swedish physicists on the E-cat: "It's a nuclear reaction" / The used powder contains ten percent copper

On Wed, Apr 6, 2011 at 12:55 PM, Jones Beene wrote: > Clue: no, it's not the Colonel Mustard with the lead pipe - but the paper's > lead researcher is a Polish alloy expert named Romanowski, and you want to > look at Fig 9 on page 8 ... Jesus, Jones! F9P8 of which? This: http://www.nyteknik

[Vo]:Sergio Focardi interviewed (not yet in english!)

On Wed, 06 Apr 2011 09:53: SHIRAKAWA Akira wrote [snip]Focardi doesn't know the exact composition of the catalyser used in the reactor (in addition to nickel powder) or what it does exactly but he suspects that it's a chemical compound promoting nickel's adsorption of hydrogen in atomic form rathe

Re: [Vo]:Swedish physicists on the E-cat: "It's a nuclear reaction" / The used powder contains ten percent copper

The first paragraph (Google translation) attacks Fleischmann and Pons, saying: "No significant similarities with the Pons and Fleischmann flop of 1989 could be discerned." What a jerk! I would send him a nasty note saying he should read the literature, but I am trying to sweet talk him into givin

Re: [Vo]:Swedish physicists on the E-cat: "It's a nuclear reaction" / The used powder contains ten percent copper

SHIRAKAWA Akira wrote: Seems new to me. Proper link to the relevant bit: http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=sv&tl=en&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.vof.se%2Faktuellt.php%23notis472 Original article in Swedish: http://www.vof.se/aktuellt.php#notis472 - Jed

Re: [Vo]:Nickel and Copper

oh it is not surprising that they are claiming copper is produced, since even on the standard peoridic table nickel and copper are neighbors. Stellar fusion can account for the lighter elements up to and including iron, but how the heavier elements arose is not so clear. Indeed, most of the hea

Re: [Vo]:Swedish physicists on the E-cat: "It's a nuclear reaction" / The used powder contains ten percent copper

On 2011-04-06 23:01, Alan J Fletcher wrote: &prev=_t&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&layout=2&eotf=1&sl=sv&tl=en&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.vof.se%2Findex.php Seems new to me. Proper link to the relevant bit: http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=sv&tl=en&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.vof.se%2Faktuellt.php%23notis472

Re: [Vo]:Swedish physicists on the E-cat: “It’s a nuclear reaction” / The used powder contains ten percent copper

I don't remember having seen this (March) report by Essen from the Swedish Skeptics Society (Discusses the NYteknik interview) http://translate.google.com/translate?js=n&prev=_t&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&layout=2&eotf=1&sl=sv&tl=en&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.vof.se%2Findex.php (Sorry if it's a duplicate)

Re: [Vo]:How small Rossi devices might be ganged together

SHIRAKAWA Akira wrote: > According to Rossi's latest plans, the megawatt reactor is going to be made > of not 100, but 300 smaller units similar in size to those seen in photos . > . . Yup. But I started writing that text before I learned that. Besides a 10 x 10 array is easy to envision, wher

Re: [Vo]:How small Rossi devices might be ganged together

On 2011-04-06 22:06, Jed Rothwell wrote: A few weeks ago I mentioned that I think ganging together many small Rossi devices will call for some complicated engineering. Perhaps it will slow down the development of the 1 MW reactor. I'm sure that 100 units can be coordinated but it may take a team

Re: [Vo]:How small Rossi devices might be ganged together

I meant to say the screw holes would be used to admit hydrogen into the cells, or evacuate them. Maybe they would be used to admit nitrogen to shut the thing down. 100 individual hydrogen pressure hoses running to 100 cylinders would be an engineering headache but I suppose something can be worked

[Vo]:How small Rossi devices might be ganged together

A few weeks ago I mentioned that I think ganging together many small Rossi devices will call for some complicated engineering. Perhaps it will slow down the development of the 1 MW reactor. I'm sure that 100 units can be coordinated but it may take a team of engineers some time to design such a sys

Re: [Vo]:Wet steam controversy

I pushed "send" too soon. I meant to add a critical point: The 18-hour test proved that the device does, in fact, output 15 kW, so I do not see how people can still argue that the first test was actually putting out far less than that because of wet steam. I think the second test proved that the f

[Vo]:Wet steam controversy

Jeff Driscoll wrote: As far as I can see, they are still making mistakes by using a humidity meter to test for the mass fraction of vapor to liquid water - also known as "steam quality As everyone here remembers, this was disputed after the first test. I would not know, but I have found on-l

Re: [Vo]:Nickel and Copper

This question made me check out Walter Russell's Periodic Chart of the Elements, and in there, Nickel and Copper are right next to eachother in the 7th octave, listed as isotopes. On top of Nickel there's Cobalt, and below Copper there's Zinc, Gallium and Germanium. http://www.flickr.com/photos/

[Vo]:Nickel and Copper

Has it ever be explained, using stellar nucleosynthesis theory, why naturally occurring nickel and copper have the isotopic distribution that they have?  Harry > >From: Stephen A. Lawrence >To: vortex-l@eskimo.com >Sent: Wed, April 6, 2011 10:33:19 AM >Subject: Re: [Vo]:RE: [Vo]:Swedish physicis

[Vo]:Re: [Vo]:Re: [Vo]:Re: [Vo]:Swedish physicists on the E-cat: “It’s a nuclear reaction” / The used powder contains ten percent copper

As far as I can see, they are still making mistakes by using a humidity meter to test for the mass fraction of vapor to liquid water - also known as "steam quality from their technical paper: http://www.nyteknik.se/incoming/article3144960.ece/BINARY/Download+the+report+by+Kullander+and+Ess%C3%A9n

RE: [Vo]:Swedish physicists on the E-cat: "It's a nuclear reaction" / The used powder contains ten percent copper

Jones, Yeah, I love that it looks like it could have been made in a garage of spare plumbing parts. It has a much less sophisticated geometry than I expected too; seems too simple even compared to the MAHG I started to replicate (it also had a copper vessel). Keeps life interesting; you are a

Re: [Vo]:Sergio Focardi interviewed (not yet in english!)

On 2011-04-06 19:10, OrionWorks - Steven V Johnson wrote: Really! Does he say why he doesn't want to know? The only speculation that makes any sense to me might be for personal safety reasons. He doesn't, and I don't think he seriously means that either, but maybe he simply doesn't want to j

Re: [Vo]:Swedish physicists on the E-cat: "It's a nuclear reaction" / The used powder contains ten percent copper

Jones sez: ... > Wow, gotta luv that the Rossi apparatus does work - apparently - but doesn't > it > just scream "cheap"? Off the rack at K-Mart cheap... Heh! It will probably result in an extra month of delays over at DoE getting their s**t in gear... particularly if they deem to look at the l

Re: [Vo]:RE: [Vo]:Swedish physicists on the E-cat: "It's a nuclear reaction" / The used powder contains ten percent copper

On Wed, Apr 6, 2011 at 11:47 AM, Jones Beene wrote: > -Original Message- > From: Terry Blanton > >> If the reactor vessel is stainless steel, is the Cu migrating through > the walls of the vessel to contaminate the Ni? > > That is probably net necessary. It looks to me like a copper pipe,

[Vo]:Re: [Vo]:Re: [Vo]:Swedish physicists on the E-cat: “It’s a nuclear reaction” / The used powder contains ten percent copper

This is a smaller version of the ECat: 4 kW vs 12 kW. It appears to have a single heater. Rossi says he will make 300 of these for his MW generator. It is simpler and safer according to the inventor. Allegedly, in 2.5 months, a version of the ECat consumed (transmuted, whatever) 100g of Ni and

Re: [Vo]:Sergio Focardi interviewed (not yet in english!)

>From Akira > On 2011-04-06 18:58, OrionWorks - Steven V Johnson wrote: > > I'm quite sure Focardi told that he doesn't know the composition (nor he > wants to know - he added). By catalyzer I mean the unknown compound which > enhances the nickel-hydrogen reaction. Really! Does he say why he does

Re: [Vo]:Sergio Focardi interviewed (not yet in english!)

Confirmed. Focardi doesn't know the composition. -- From: "OrionWorks - Steven V Johnson" Sent: Wednesday, April 06, 2011 6:58 PM To: Subject: Re: [Vo]:Sergio Focardi interviewed (not yet in english!) From Akira, ... - Focardi doesn't know th

Re: [Vo]:Swedish physicists on the E-cat: “It’s a nuclear reaction” / The used powder contains ten percent copper

I'll update my "Proof" paper shortly. Not much that can happen in 50cc, though .

Re: [Vo]:Sergio Focardi interviewed (not yet in english!)

On 2011-04-06 18:58, OrionWorks - Steven V Johnson wrote: Maybe something got lost in the translation here, but find it surprising that Focardi apparently doesn't know the composition of the catalyzer used in Rossi's reactor. Are we to assume Rossi hasn't told him? I'm quite sure Focardi told

Re: [Vo]:Sergio Focardi interviewed (not yet in english!)

>From Akira, ... > - Focardi doesn't know the exact composition of the catalyser used in the > reactor (in addition to nickel powder) or what it does exactly but he > suspects that it's a chemical compound promoting nickel's adsorption of > hydrogen in atomic form rather than molecular. Maybe so

Re: [Vo]:Swedish physicists on the E-cat: “It’s a nuclear reaction” / The used powder contains ten percent copper

The copper isotope ratios reported here contradict those from Rossi's blog published data. In his blog post titled Experimental Results he states the Cu63/Cu65 ratio is 1.6 after transmutation. The isotope results reported by the swedish observers seems very suspicious to me.

RE: [Vo]:Swedish physicists on the E-cat: "It's a nuclear reaction" / The used powder contains ten percent copper

-Original Message- From: Ron Wormus > So what causes the "electromigration"? As far as I can see all he has in > there are some resistive heaters. Ron - Possibly it could be related to either low level magnetic fields or emf associated with the heaters, or else galvanic corrosion bet

[Vo]:Sergio Focardi interviewed (not yet in english!)

Hello group, A *very* interesting (revealing many previously unknown details, to tell the truth I'm not sure if he was supposed to disclose them all) three-part audio interview in italian to Sergio Focardi by a local web radio has been submitted here: http://radio.rcdc.it/archives/sergio-foc

Re: [Vo]:RE: [Vo]:Swedish physicists on the E-cat: "It's a nuclear reaction" / The used powder contains ten percent copper

>From Jones > From: Terry Blanton > >> If the reactor vessel is stainless steel, is the Cu migrating through > the walls of the vessel to contaminate the Ni? > > That is probably net necessary. It looks to me like a copper pipe, for heat > transfer, may go into the reactor itself. Plus, if I am no

RE: [Vo]:Swedish physicists on the E-cat: "It's a nuclear reaction" / The used powder contains ten percent copper

Jones, So what causes the "electromigration"? As far as I can see all he has in there are some resistive heaters. Ron --On Wednesday, April 06, 2011 6:15 AM -0700 Jones Beene wrote: To be clear: Yes the reaction is NOT chemical, but it is NOT the fusion of nickel and hydrogen. 1)

Re: [Vo]:Swedish physicists on the E-cat: "It's a nuclear reaction" / The used powder contains ten percent copper

My guess is that the Aux is to pre heat the water flowing into the system and the other external clamp on heater is for "control". Put those two seem to be the only external electrical connections (other than the thermocouples) Dennis C From: Jones Beene Sent: Wednesday, April 06, 2011 9:41 A

RE: [Vo]:RE: [Vo]:Swedish physicists on the E-cat: "It's a nuclear reaction" / The used powder contains ten percent copper

-Original Message- From: Terry Blanton > If the reactor vessel is stainless steel, is the Cu migrating through the walls of the vessel to contaminate the Ni? That is probably net necessary. It looks to me like a copper pipe, for heat transfer, may go into the reactor itself. Plus, if I a

[Vo]:Re: [Vo]:Swedish physicists on the E-cat: “It’s a nuclear reaction” / The used powder contains ten percent copper

Looking at the pictures, it seems to be fairly simple mechanically. The chamber is 50cc and not 1 liter as we were made to believe. My question is: does the water pass through the bed of Nickel? I don't see anything in the pictures that would indicate that there is a separate path for the wa

RE: [Vo]:Swedish physicists on the E-cat: "It's a nuclear reaction" / The used powder contains ten percent copper

From: Stephen A. Lawrence * * Where are the electric fields that would cause electromigration? There are no fields in copper pipes as far as I know. In the photos I am looking at, from this page - one resistance heater labeled "auxiliary" goes directly into a copper pipe. You may ne

Re: [Vo]:RE: [Vo]:Swedish physicists on the E-cat: "It's a nuclear reaction" / The used powder contains ten percent copper

Stephen, Urgent Addendum: Just to be clear on this point, my speculation was pertaining to whether you were now suspicious of the HEAT measurements. In truth I must admit the fact that you seem to be questioning the isotopic shifts, not the actual HEAT measurements. My apologies if I have misinte

Re: [Vo]:RE: [Vo]:Swedish physicists on the E-cat: "It's a nuclear reaction" / The used powder contains ten percent copper

>From Stephen ... > It's more likely that Levi is in on the gag than that > transmutation from nickel to copper produced "natural" > isotope ratios in the ash. The former merely requires > the assumption that a few humans are acting unusually > stupid (which happens frequently). The latter requ

Re: [Vo]:RE: [Vo]:Swedish physicists on the E-cat: "It's a nuclear reaction" / The used powder contains ten percent copper

On Wed, Apr 6, 2011 at 10:59 AM, Jones Beene wrote: > Essentially this is why I concocted the 'quark power' concept presented > recently. I don't think you can sell the quark power theory to Hawking. :-) T

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-Original Message- From: Steven V Johnson > Regarding the hydrino theory, my first impression would be to conclude... > that not enough hydrogen was consumed (into hydrinos) that would explain the massive amount of heat recorded. Right on! Steven. You get points for having been thinki

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If the reactor vessel is stainless steel, is the Cu migrating through the walls of the vessel to contaminate the Ni? T

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The energy release of the hydrino producing reaction is 50 MJ/mol hydrogen gas. The prefered reactionproduct seems to be H1/4. See http://www.blacklightpower.com/papers/Eng%20Power050410S.pdf So if 25 kWh is produced (90 MJ) this should correspond to 1.8 moles of H2 gas = 3.6 grams. Peter va

Re: [Vo]:RE: [Vo]:Swedish physicists on the E-cat: "It's a nuclear reaction" / The used powder contains ten percent copper

Stephen A. Lawrence wrote: > He *said* they measured the isotopes. > > He said, specifically, the ratios for both nickel and copper didn't vary > from natural abundances: "The isotopic analysis through ICP-MS *doesn’t > show any deviation from the natural isotopic composition* of nickel and > c

Re: [Vo]:RE: [Vo]:Swedish physicists on the E-cat: "It's a nuclear reaction" / The used powder contains ten percent copper

One of the great things about this is that there is so much new information here, it is taking me all morning to read and understand the reports and photos. Usually, when I get a new paper, it is all stuff that I have heard before. It is either a re-hash of previous reports, or a repetition of

Re: [Vo]:RE: [Vo]:Swedish physicists on the E-cat: "It's a nuclear reaction" / The used powder contains ten percent copper

On 04/06/2011 10:23 AM, Jed Rothwell wrote: > Jones Beene mailto:jone...@pacbell.net>> wrote: > > The mundane reason for the appearance of iron an copper is > electromigration. > > > Where are the electric fields that would cause electromigration? There > are no fields in copper pipes as

Re: [Vo]:RE: [Vo]:Swedish physicists on the E-cat: "It's a nuclear reaction" / The used powder contains ten percent copper

>From Jones: > The mundane reason for the appearance of iron an[d] copper > is electromigration. Seems like a reasonable conclusion to draw. I must apologize for not being sufficiently clear as to what I was really questioning: What is generating the massive amount of heat? I gather the responsi

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On 04/06/2011 08:20 AM, Jones Beene wrote: > The Facts: There is evidence of the presence of copper but that is all. If > it were formed by transmutation some of it should be radioactive. In fact > there is a mundane explanation for the presence of copper Dead on. In fact, as I recall, folks on

Re: [Vo]:RE: [Vo]:Swedish physicists on the E-cat: "It's a nuclear reaction" / The used powder contains ten percent copper

Jones Beene wrote: The mundane reason for the appearance of iron an copper is > electromigration. > Where are the electric fields that would cause electromigration? There are no fields in copper pipes as far as I know. Kullander does say ". . . it’s remarkable that nickel-58 and hydrogen can f

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On the pictures in the article: http://www.nyteknik.se/incoming/article3144960.ece/BINARY/Download+the+report+by+Kullander+and+Ess%C3%A9n+%28pdf%29 ) it is seen that the copper tubes are corroded from the outside , probably due to the high temperature of the reaction. As Jones says it is very l

Re: [Vo]:Levi can commit fraud as easily at the University as off campus

Andrea Selva wrote: Jed, I don't understand if you ever saw any of the pictures of the two test > assets or any of the clips of the January one. > If your answer is yes maybe your eyes are note telling you the truth. > Everybody can easily see that the output probe (the one attached to the > data

[Vo]:Re: [Vo]:Swedish physicists on the E-cat: “It’s a nuclear reaction” / The used powder contains ten percent copper

On 04/06/2011 03:01 AM, SHIRAKAWA Akira wrote: > > > Kullander: Both measurements show that the pure nickel powder contains > mainly nickel, and the used powder is different in that several > elements are present, mainly 10 percent copper and 11 percent iron. > The isotopic analysis through ICP-M

RE: [Vo]:Swedish physicists on the E-cat: "It's a nuclear reaction" / The used powder contains ten percent copper

To be clear: Yes the reaction is NOT chemical, but it is NOT the fusion of nickel and hydrogen. 1)The copper and iron are incidental, and come from electromigration. 2)The ash would be isotopically different otherwise, and radioactive. 3)Since it is not radioactive nor

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