On Wed, Oct 1, 2014 at 3:16 AM, frobertcook frobertc...@hotmail.com wrote:
I doubt the NRC aauthority extends to LENR yet.
It extends to anything producing ionizing radiation.
I wonder if electron based quasiparticles can be involved or even causative
in the cold fusion mechanism.
In physics, fractionalization is the phenomenon whereby the quasiparticles
of a system cannot be constructed as combinations of its elementary
constituents. One of the earliest and most
exotic forms of hydrogen crystallization.
This type of one dimensional electron flow may cause
electron fractionalization as is suspected to happen in superconductivity
where charge can accumulate as a fractionalization phenomenon irrespective
of the location of the associated electrons
.
1) Everything reported in LENR experiments can be adequately explained
as a multistep process in a two-dimensional goldilocks systems (not too
hot and not too cold) in which the key operative role is played by
fractionalization of hydrogen (including fractional deuterium) and at least
one
direction caused by unique topologic constructions in
the cold plasma possibly due to the formation of some exotic forms of
hydrogen crystallization.
This type of one dimensional electron flow may cause electron
fractionalization as is suspected to happen in superconductivity where
charge can accumulate
Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net wrote:
Ø Rossi saw 512KeV gamma from positrons in his early reactors.
No, he didn’t. Rossi says over and over that there is no gamma radiation.
He says Focardi’s theory had predicted gamma, but none was ever observed.
On the other hand, Celani said he did
In reply to frobertcook's message of Tue, 30 Sep 2014 09:32:26 +0200:
Hi,
[snip]
Bob
In semi conductors electrons r enter and seem to change the energy states of
all the electrons in the semi conductor over a considerable distance
associated with QM system of the SC. TMK it's instantaneous.
In reply to Jones Beene's message of Tue, 30 Sep 2014 07:12:23 -0700:
Hi,
[snip]
You seem to favoring the terminology of IRH over DDL and that is fine
with me, however, DDL invokes Dirac, which is wise - and also it is not
necessarily limited to two dimensions as is IRH which means the reaction
On Tue, Sep 30, 2014 at 11:07 AM, Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com wrote:
Why would Rossi enclose his reactor in LEAD if no gamma's were ever seen?
In Rossi's own 2010 patent, he states that the lead (and boron) shield is
there to protect from harmful radiation: In particular, the inventive
I wrote:
In Rossi's own 2010 patent, he states that the lead (and boron) shield is
there to protect from harmful radiation: In particular, the inventive
apparatus is coated by boron layers and lead plates both for restraining
noxious radiations and transforming them into energy, without
Terry
It is my understanding that NRC authority only applies to radioactive materials
made in fission reactors using fissile materials. Thus, for example,
accelerator activated materials are not controled by NRC.
However the Energy Reorganization Act which created the NRC spells out the
Axil,
Of all the wild possibilities that we consider on vortex – most of which are
eventually rejected as impossible, gamma fractionalization still appears to me
to be the least likely major holdover theory (from the cold fusion era) to be a
physical reality in the NiH era. This is despite
. They cannot be absorbed easily, and
especially not by polaritons or plasmons.
Jones cannot accept that gamma fractionalization can be so complete. I states
that gamma is produced is some situations but can be completely fractionalized
in LENR, especially by LENR+; the LENR of the Ni/H reactor
.*
The character of the EMF produced by SPPs can be deduced by understanding
that in order for a SPP soliton to form, charge must be delocalize from the
SPP soliton through fractionalization of the properties of the electron.
What remains is spin.
An anapole magnetic field is projected from
theory that the down-conversion of high energy photons to lattice
phonons (fractionalization) can occur as he predicts with his theory.
Bob H.
On Thu, Jul 24, 2014 at 9:07 AM, Foks0904 . foks0...@gmail.com wrote:
I think Hagelstein draws on Karabuts work as well, but the relevance to his
model
on Hagelstein's evolving theory, which can be called gamma
fractionalization. That theory is based on downshifting of gamma level
energy, but without the photon emission, all the way to phonon vibrations at
8-16 THz, which is a massive drop of about 8-9 orders of magnitude - or a
ratio of at least
to helium. The most accepted solution to the
lack of gammas is based on Hagelstein's evolving theory, which can be called
gamma fractionalization. That theory is based on downshifting of gamma level
energy, but without the photon emission, all the way to phonon vibrations at
8-16 THz, which
From: Bob Higgins
Isn't the problem with this scenario that the ground state H/D atom must GIVE
UP energy to enter the DDL state.
That would be true under Mills theory, but one big objection to Mills concept
is that if it were true - as a logical matter, there would be nothing
energetic in net energy, that the lack
of
gamma is almost as problematic as the situation with putative fusion of
deuterons to helium. The most accepted solution to the lack of gammas is
based on Hagelstein's evolving theory, which can be called gamma
fractionalization. That theory is based
On Mon, Sep 29, 2014 at 8:26 PM, mix...@bigpond.com wrote:
I have previously suggested that a dense cluster might also absorb the
energy in
the form of kinetic energy distributed among thousands of densely clustered
atoms.
I see that Robin and Jones were talking about hydrino reinflation
Kevin O'Malley kevmol...@gmail.com wrote:
By the time he sells ten thousand units, the NRC gets wise and has no
capability to reign him in.
What would stop them? Even if he sold 10 million units, the government can
start regulating them anytime it wants. The government did not begin
Robin
It may be possible to measure differential voltages vs time at different places
on the SC, if it is not instantaneous. I would expect to see no differential
voltages.
Bob
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In reply to frobertcook's message of
On Wed, Oct 1, 2014 at 8:07 AM, Bob Higgins rj.bob.higg...@gmail.com
wrote:
Hydrinos would probably need 50eV in an inelastic collision to re-inflate,
and Df/H would need something like 500keV.
Yes, this occurred to me, too. It will no doubt depend upon the population
of hydrinos and how far
into the neutral atom removes the electrons from the
atom, i.e. causes the atom to become ionized.
Well, once again I will dissent, since we have had this discussion before.
It is your understanding of the fractionalization mechanism that is not
logical. What you are describing is simple ionization
There is a process that is strong enough to overcome the coulomb barrier
between the fermions in a cooper pair. This process is called
fractionalization. When a large group of fermions are packed so tightly
together, in order for one to move one beyond another, they must tunnel to
where
because LENR is not a nuclear process. Therefore, gamma level radiation
cannot be produced in any conceivable event. This is the same position that
Mills takes.
Jones cannot accept that gamma fractionalization can be so complete. I
states that gamma is produced is some situations but can be completely
boson to fermion) is the key to anomalous heat.
With a mix of dissolved H and D and a catalyst, when going in and out of the
fractional state (UDH, UDD) the proton becomes bosonic on fractionalization,
since it is bound at nuclear distances to an electron and gains half spin as
a composite boson
be deduced by understanding
that in order for a SPP soliton to form, charge must be delocalize from the
SPP soliton through fractionalization of the properties of the electron.
What remains is spin.
An anapole magnetic field is projected from the entangled and coherent SPP
soliton which acts
, which can be called gamma
fractionalization. That theory is based on downshifting of gamma level
energy, but without the photon emission, all the way to phonon vibrations
at
8-16 THz, which is a massive drop of about 8-9 orders of magnitude - or a
ratio of at least 100,000,000:1 (100 million to one
The following message did not appear, presumably because it contained a table,
which has been dropped.
From: Axil Axil
* Rossi saw 512KeV gamma from positrons in his early reactors.
No, he didn’t. Rossi says over and over that there is no gamma radiation. He
says Focardi’s
question is the dose...
Rossi mostly said that ther was no dangerous radiation, not much above
baclground.
a peak, eg at 511kev is not necessarily a danger yet can be detected.
from ed Storms books and papers it is clear there are x-rays, but not much
and there is a cutoff energy...
section 4.6
Rossi knows that in order to get his reactors to be approved in the USA, he
needs to show zero nuclear effects. He KNOWS it is nucular, but to the
authorities he will be saying showing NO nucular effects. none. By the
time he sells ten thousand units, the NRC gets wise and has no capability
I doubt the NRC aauthority extends to LENR yet.
Bob
Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE SmartphoneKevin O'Malley
kevmol...@gmail.com wrote:
Rossi knows that in order to get his reactors to be approved in the USA, he
needs to show zero nuclear effects. He KNOWS it is nucular, but to the
evolving theory, which can be called
gamma fractionalization. That theory is based on downshifting of gamma level
energy, but without the photon emission, all the way to phonon vibrations at
8-16 THz, which is a massive drop of about 8-9 orders of magnitude - or a
ratio of at least 100,000,000:1 (100
Jones
I think Celani had a coincidence counter setup to look for e-p annihaltion.
Bob
Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE SmartphoneKevin O'Malley
kevmol...@gmail.com wrote:
Rossi knows that in order to get his reactors to be approved in the USA, he
needs to show zero nuclear effects. He
, everything becomes
clearer. The see-saw change in identity (on fast scale from composite boson to
fermion) is the key to anomalous heat.
With a mix of dissolved H and D and a catalyst, when going in and out of the
fractional state (UDH, UDD) the proton becomes bosonic on fractionalization,
since
, then it lends
credibility to his theory that the down-conversion of high energy photons to
lattice phonons (fractionalization) can occur as he predicts with his
theory.
Bob H.
Foks0904 wrote:
I think Hagelstein draws on Karabuts work as well
redundancy comes from Randell
Mills, but this new version goes well beyond that - and in a completely
different direction by replacing Rydberg energy steps with FQHE electrons.
In fact, the fractionalization step itself should be endothermic, not
exothermic as Mills proclaims. All of the gain
that - and in a completely
different direction by replacing Rydberg energy steps with FQHE electrons. In
fact, the fractionalization step itself should be endothermic, not exothermic
as Mills proclaims. All of the gain (if there is any) comes later - after a
population of f/Li+ has been created, in situ
the high magnetic field of SPP is present (as evidenced by an intense
incandescence) a collective 2D reaction near the SPP interface results - a
fractionalization of lithium electrons. Following this, this species can
further interact with the better known version of fractional hydrogen, the
hydride
There is a process that is strong enough to overcome the coulomb barrier
between the fermions in a cooper pair. In type II superconductors, this
process is called fractionalization. When a large group of electrons are
packed so tightly together by the arrangement of atoms in the
superconductor
My indication that electrons who have had their charge removed through
fractionalization and photon entanglement can be packed into a small volume
comes from the experimentally verified power density of
1,000,000,000,000,000 watts per cm2 that has been measured in nanoplasmonuc
hot spots.
The NiH
of this reality is the formation of cooper pairs of electrons in
Type II superconductivity.
In this process this huge ensemble of electrons become strong enough to
overcome the coulomb barrier between the fermions in a cooper pair. In type
II superconductors, this process is called fractionalization
solution to the lack of gammas is
based on Hagelstein's evolving theory, which can be called gamma
fractionalization. That theory is based on downshifting of gamma level
energy, but without the photon emission, all the way to phonon vibrations
at
8-16 THz, which is a massive drop of about 8-9
Why would Rossi enclose his reactor in LEAD if no gamma's were ever seen?
Is it in his interest to mislead the world in believing that no gammas were
seen, I think it would be. It would keep the NRC out of his business. Is
Rossi totally honest in everything he says, I think he is not. Are you
I think putative DDL state hydrogen (Df/H) and probably hydrinos would be
more stable that you give them credit. At our environmental temperatures,
the average kinetic energy is 1.5 kT which is about .04 eV at room
temperature. Hydrinos would probably need 50eV in an inelastic collision
to
In reply to Jones Beene's message of Mon, 13 Apr 2015 20:05:22 -0700:
Hi,
[snip]
Well, once again I will dissent, since we have had this discussion before.
It is your understanding of the fractionalization mechanism that is not
logical. What you are describing is simple ionization of the catalyst
fractionalization at
all. It is a QM book balancing act. There never is or never was a gamma to
deal with.
≫ RvS: I guess the answer depends on the gamma emission time. If it's order
E-17 seconds, then light can travel about 3 nm in that time. So thousands of
Hydrinos would need to be packed
is called fractionalization, another condence
physics term. When a large group of electrons are packed so tightly together by
the arrangement of atoms in the superconductor material (Mott insulator), in
order for one to move one beyond another, they must tunnel to where they are
forced to go
(fractionalization) can occur as he predicts with his
theory.
Bob H.
Foks0904 wrote:
I think Hagelstein draws on Karabuts work as well, but the
relevance to his model is not readily apparent as Peter's
been
reported to be a better catalyst than nickel in certain situations. This
could be one.
In short, this dogbone reactor could be a situation where the Quantum Sphere
nano-nickel oxide would work very well with lithium to promote deep
fractionalization, following which the f/H then further
of the fractionalization mechanism that is not
logical. What you are describing is simple ionization of the catalyst,
Correct.
and
this must precede, not cause, orbital reduction.
No, it happens at the same time. That's why it's energy resonance. Energy
is
transferred from the H atom
that we consider on vortex – most of which
are eventually rejected as impossible, gamma fractionalization still
appears to me to be the least likely major holdover theory (from the cold
fusion era) to be a physical reality in the NiH era. This is despite it
being arguably more likely
there
is a relative increase in CFL bulbs, not a decrease. Thus we may opine that
this anomaly is probably not related to anomalous decay, and the results are
also a poor fit with mass fractionalization. But if we renormalize
everything into a flat fit - then we can possibly explain both the increase
variation
from
the more common isotopes, may mean latent primordial instability - yet
there
is a relative increase in CFL bulbs, not a decrease. Thus we may opine
that
this anomaly is probably not related to anomalous decay, and the results
are
also a poor fit with mass fractionalization. But if we
that fractional charge could
exist. This
experiment showed that confinement of electrons could produce very strange
effects.
Fractionalization of the electron is also weird but experimentally
demonstrated. But Mills
does not pay heed to those types of experiments since he tries his best to
undercut
is taken into consideration there is no net
energy gain.
That is not exactly correct. I believe that oxidation supplies a part of the
net energy and that fractionalization of hydrogen orbitals provides most of
the net energy. So there is a bona fide anomaly and possibly a strong one
depends stepwise
reductions or fractionalization, which have no signature lines associated
with them.
In short, the DDL describes gain in Mills experiments better than Mills own
theory and also explains LENR without the fiction of gamma shielding
In reply to Bob Higgins's message of Mon, 29 Sep 2014 11:42:39 -0600:
Hi,
[snip]
Jones,
Isn't the problem with this scenario that the ground state H/D atom must
GIVE UP energy to enter the DDL state. What you propose is that the H/D
atoms could absorb the gamma emission from the transmutation
be multiplied by hydrogen
fractionalization.
Imagine the combination of *Solar + LENR* where instead of low rate
conversion of solar photons, as with photovoltaics, we can boost that by an
order of magnitude, as solar photons are multiplied by the UV of ground
state redundancy via SPP interaction
, not a decrease. Thus we may opine
that
this anomaly is probably not related to anomalous decay, and the results
are
also a poor fit with mass fractionalization. But if we renormalize
everything into a flat fit - then we can possibly explain both the
increase
in 196, the larger decrease
that
this anomaly is probably not related to anomalous decay, and the results
are
also a poor fit with mass fractionalization. But if we renormalize
everything into a flat fit - then we can possibly explain both the
increase
in 196, the larger decrease in 199 and the relative lower decrease
a
fractionalhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fractionalization elementary
charge http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elementary_charge and possibly also
fractional statistics
Note that a strong magnetic field must be present to form the *
quasiparticles.*
**
On Mon, Sep 16, 2013 at 11:02 PM, mix...@bigpond.com
://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fractionalization elementary
charge http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elementary_charge and possibly also
fractional statistics
Note that a strong magnetic field must be present to form the *
quasiparticles.*
**
On Mon, Sep 16, 2013 at 11:02 PM, mix...@bigpond.com wrote
electrons were highly constrained
dimensionally and were also acted on by a strong magnetic field.
Even weirder, electric charge could be fractionalized when electrons were
exposed to a strong magnetic field.
This process of electron charge fractionalization is very difficult to
visualize
that
resistance could be quantized when electrons were highly constrained
dimensionally and were also acted on by a strong magnetic field.
Even weirder, electric charge could be fractionalized when electrons were
exposed to a strong magnetic field.
This process of electron charge fractionalization is very
magnetic field.
Even weirder, electric charge could be fractionalized when electrons
were exposed to a strong magnetic field.
This process of electron charge fractionalization is very difficult to
visualize physically. So physicists have come up with a quasiparticle
concept called a composite
Heating and loading both help expand the cloud into the cavities such that a
certain population occupies the regions where they can perform a nested
fractionalization .. that is fall first to say h/4 or h/8 and still find
themselves in a regions with wall spacing appropriate to let them load
supplies a part of
the
net energy and that fractionalization of hydrogen orbitals provides most
of
the net energy. So there is a bona fide anomaly and possibly a strong one.
But ... the bad news ... even with strong gain, it could be insufficient
to
fully rejuvenate the catalyst - especially
for a dogbone type of reactor, after which the entire output
is converted directly. This niche is a type of boosted solar and is more
likely now, following the Tesla announcement - since storage of daytime power
will be affordable. Solar photons would be multiplied by hydrogen
fractionalization
that
seminal experiment hit
physics, the entire community was distressed that fractional charge
could exist. This
experiment showed that confinement of electrons could produce very
strange effects.
Fractionalization of the electron is also weird but experimentally
demonstrated. But Mills
ctors).
I have been told by an ex-CANDU engineer, that they could
have made the heavy water for their reactors for "pennies on the dollar" using
waste heatfractionalization (compared to the chemical method) except that
the cheap way also enriched the heavy oxygen. IOW
the steam fracti
was distressed that
fractional charge could exist. This experiment showed that confinement of
electrons could produce very strange effects.
Fractionalization of the electron is also weird but experimentally
demonstrated. But Mills does not pay heed to those types of experiments
since he tries his best
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