h pressure,
by using a Pd cathode and driving the hydrogen out the back side of
the cathode. Commercial electrolysers that use this technique save
money and energy on compression costs. Also, hydrogen which goes
through a Pd "filter" comes out very pure and dry.
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e large compared to human reaction
time error.
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On Sep 12, 2011, at 4:10 PM, Stephen A. Lawrence wrote:
On 11-09-12 05:18 PM, Horace Heffner wrote:
On Sep 12, 2011, at 10:59 AM, Stephen A. Lawrence wrote:
On 11-08-25 10:33 AM, Abd ul-Rahman Lomax wrote:
At 06:55 PM 8/24/2011, Jed Rothwell wrote:
Here is an interesting footnote to
ion) physically
isolated from the nickel. There is no requirement for it to decay
into Ni, or Cu, or Zn, which were found in the used fuel. Thus, it
is possible to choose an alpha or beta source which does not produce
large gamma signatures through 2 cm of lead.
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think it is good to think about these things when looking at new
claims for free energy. It highlights the importance of good input
power measurement.
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then the Co60 source would
produce about a kW all on its own, and that assumes all the Co60
gammas result in an LENR reaction. This would be a highly detectable
radiation source.
[snip older material]
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On Sep 13, 2011, at 12:55 PM, Peter Heckert wrote:
Am 13.09.2011 22:47, schrieb Man on Bridges:
Hi,
On 13-9-2011 20:44, Horace Heffner wrote:
Hmmm, is there a way to start and stop a gamma radiation source,
as it may be used only to trigger the process?
There is no other way than
On Sep 13, 2011, at 3:30 PM, Jouni Valkonen wrote:
On Sep 14, 2011 1:00 AM, "Horace Heffner"
wrote:
[snip]
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On Sep 13, 2011, at 10:20 PM, Peter Heckert wrote:
Am 14.09.2011 01:20, schrieb Horace Heffner:
On Sep 13, 2011, at 12:55 PM, Peter Heckert wrote:
Am 13.09.2011 22:47, schrieb Man on Bridges:
Hi,
On 13-9-2011 20:44, Horace Heffner wrote:
Hmmm, is there a way to start and stop a gamma
expect the thermometer is probably still in a metal
well. The only difference this time is the thermal resistance is much
lower between that well and the large metal thermal mass. Before the
thermal wicking into the thermometer well easily could have accounted
for a few °C, now it like
On Sep 14, 2011, at 12:29 AM, Peter Heckert wrote:
Am 14.09.2011 10:08, schrieb Horace Heffner:
It is not possible to put enough lead in the device to suppress
the 1.33 MeV gammas from cobalt to even a non-lethal level -
provided there is enough cobalt to sustain a 15 kW reaction at one
On Sep 14, 2011, at 12:44 PM, Jouni Valkonen wrote:
2011/9/14 Horace Heffner :
I have to wonder if anyone associated with Rossi ever
going to actually do calorimetry on the output?
I will do it soon. Actually I am right now writing it. There are
plenty of ways to do calorimetry. Not all
on in the
E-cat. Hopefully the 1 MW unit test will provide economical steam for
a very long period.
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On Sep 14, 2011, at 6:35 PM, Jouni Valkonen wrote:
New self-sustaining test was far superior to previous E-Cat tests. It
On Sep 14, 2011, at 8:59 PM, Jouni Valkonen wrote:
2011/9/15 Horace Heffner :
The claims made for months that all the water was being converted
to steam
has been utterly crushed!
Krivit was clearly right on his seven points.
True, but his seven points had nothing to do with Rossi
On Sep 15, 2011, at 6:49 AM, Jed Rothwell wrote:
Horace Heffner wrote:
More importantly, the claim that all the water was being converted
to steam, the repeated, defended, and heralded basis for thinking
something practical has been created, the basis for the
"calorimetry&qu
On Sep 15, 2011, at 9:11 AM, Peter Heckert wrote:
Am 14.09.2011 22:31, schrieb Horace Heffner:
Sticking the one and only output measuring thermometer down inside
the device is still as useless as ever for calorimetry purposes.
It likely is directly heated by its metal surroundings. The
mperature will not instantaneously
drop. It will stay at the same temperature and decline slowly.
There is much too much mass for what your talking about to happen.
I have to laugh at the fact that if you saw the temp drop even a
hundredth of a degree at power down you would have declared the
thermal inertia regime over and the CF regime to have begun.
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ument is
forever. The perception of truth can be fleeting.
That's my personal opinion anyway. Maybe a reference to an expert
opinion on that can be found. 8^)))
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On Sep 15, 2011, at 12:05 PM, Peter Heckert wrote:
Am 15.09.2011 21:48, schrieb Horace Heffner:
On Sep 15, 2011, at 9:11 AM, Peter Heckert wrote:
Am 14.09.2011 22:31, schrieb Horace Heffner:
Sticking the one and only output measuring thermometer down
inside the device is still as
lumn, where it says
"Ladda ner
Report E-cat test September 7 (pdf)
Temperature data Sept 7 (xls)"
- Jed
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On Sep 15, 2011, at 11:59 AM, Jed Rothwell wrote:
Horace Heffner wrote:
As I showed numerically, it was not reasonable that no water was
ejected in the prior demonstration tests unless the tests were run
at precisely the right input power (from electric plus LENR) at
all times to just
On Sep 15, 2011, at 2:01 PM, Jed Rothwell wrote:
Horace Heffner wrote:
A 0.7°C temperature rise is significant with any thermocouple.
That can't be noise. There is no question there must be a heat
source in the cell.
Yes - it is the 80 kg of cell metal which has stored heat.
S
flow from the pump would be if a
water inlet valve in the machine were closed?
It is a good thing to have measurements instead of estimates.
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Not
that I expect anyone would take any action based on comments from the
peanut gallery.
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m the peanut gallery."
Just to avoid miscommunication, I just realized that I should note
that the above refers to vortex-l as a peanut gallery with respect to
the Rossi extravaganza.
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d carrying vortex-l member myself, it seemed pretty
clear to me whom you were referring to. ;-)
Make mine salted, please.
Regards
Steven Vincent Johnson
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I think two bags works best - one for eating and one for throwing! 8^)
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ns are
avoided.
Jones
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you the "Health" part, it's a high tech firm,
which gets you the "Technology" part, and it's certainly become his
career.
In any case, it's nice to hear they're still on the verge of
delivering something, even after all these years. (A lot like the
hot fusion community, come to think of it.)
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.
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from the heat exchanger. Some good insulation is
required for accurate data - but reliable data only accurate to 10%
would hopefully be way more than enough to show the value of the
device.
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Hi Colin,
Alan Fletcher gets the credit for that scenario.
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On Sep 16, 2011, at 4:39 PM, Colin Hercus wrote:
Hi Horace,
Your 3rd scenario may be right. From mats Report
"According to Andrea Rossi the increased
dimensi
On Sep 16, 2011, at 5:01 PM, Jouni Valkonen wrote:
2011/9/17 Horace Heffner :
A heat exchange system can be very accurate. The advantage is it
does not
matter what happens to the cooling water beyond the bounds where the
thermometers are located, provided it comes back cool enough and
Sigh.
On Sep 16, 2011, at 5:33 PM, Jouni Valkonen wrote:
2011/9/17 Horace Heffner :
Measuring momentary powers and flows is not adequate because the
powers and
flows are dynamic.
We need to measure the pressure, because only steam contributes for
the pressure and of course steam
On Sep 16, 2011, at 6:42 PM, Jouni Valkonen wrote:
2011/9/17 Horace Heffner :
Hundreds of man days have been wasted. If the job were done right
the first
time a lot of labor and money could have been saved, not only for
Rossi and
his associates, but for Rossi himself. Not only that
. Sorry for the redundant posting.
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Weird!
I resent the "Henry Dircks"and "BLP's CIHT" posts and they did not
show up, while the "Test of archive dropping posts" post immediately
did.
I wonder if mail-archive.com is now screening screening mail for
unwanted domain name URLs?
On Sep 18
http://www.blacklightpower.com/Press%20Releases/
BlackLightHydrinoElectricity112910.htm
http://www.greenbiz.com/news/2010/02/25/ebay-walmart-google-among-
early-adopters-fuel-cell-bloom-boxes
http://www.earthtech.org/capabilities/vwfc/
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It appears mail-archive.com is now screening out mail which uses
"tinyurl.com".
I go to the trouble to provide a redundant tinyurl reference as a
courtesy, to avoid problems readers might have with line-wrap. This
is a significant loss of function I think.
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http://www.earthtech.org/experiments/ICCF14_MOAC.pdf
http://www.earthtech.org/capabilities/dual/
http://www.earthtech.org/capabilities/vwfc/
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.
Note, if water is fed back a 50°C I get only 675 liter/sec steam flow.
Side note: the 52 E-cats at 80 kg each should have a mass of 4160
kg! I wonder what the shipping cost on that is?
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L. The ban here is aimed at scoffing and "hostile disbelief,"
and
at the sort of "Skeptic" who angrily disbelieves all that is not solidly
proved true, while carefully rejecting all new data and observations
which
conflict with widely accepted theory.
- - - - - - -
some free energy principals
were sound, and thus the "technology" itself was worth licensing just
to do the actual difficult, expensive, and risky work of developing a
working product.
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astrophically fails, it will be difficult to
enter the container to perform any emergency operation of the
remaining devices. Hopefully complete operation can be performed
remotely.
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On Sep 19, 2011, at 2:26 PM, Joe Catania wrote:
Why do you think the device is under pressure?
See end of:
http://www.nyteknik.se/nyheter/energi_miljo/energi/article3264362.ece
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idden device of not fully known
structure and function. Everything is speculation.
It is easy to get a MW out for a while, even periodically, even if
the only input has been 167 kW. The thermal mass is huge.
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means to develop confidence in safe operating procedures and
emergency procedures.
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.
It would obviously be useful to continuously measure the flow and
pressure of the supply water (since we know for sure that is
variable), and, for safety sake, the pressure just inside the relief
valve.
- Original Message - From: "Horace Heffner"
To:
Sent: Monday,
why I posted at
all on this. I suppose it present some fun problems and an
opportunity to learn. Hopefully, my posting has contributed to the
gestalt of the list.
On Sep 19, 2011, at 6:03 PM, Jouni Valkonen wrote:
2011/9/20 Horace Heffner :
It seems with regard to the E-cat that one of
ssure just inside the
relief valve.
- Original Message ----- From: "Horace Heffner"
To:
Sent: Monday, September 19, 2011 8:29 PM
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Calulations for 1 MW plant.
On Sep 19, 2011, at 2:26 PM, Joe Catania wrote:
Why do you think the device is under pressure?
the poster's position, I
simply leave it at that. What comment is necessary then?
—Jouni
On Sep 20, 2011 9:51 AM, "Horace Heffner"
wrote:
> Excuses, excuses, excuses, piled on more excuses for using methods
> which produce no reliable conclusions, for taking shortc
water dosen't give it pressure. We also don't know how
long it takes to drain.
Aha. We have a dribble quibble. 8^)
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x27;m not saying the overlying water dosen't
give it pressure. We also don't know how long it takes to drain.
Aha. We have a dribble quibble.
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On Sep 20, 2011, at 9:01 AM, Jouni Valkonen wrote:
2011/9/20 Horace Heffner :
I am amazed why do you have so much difficulties to admit that
there is a
correlation between steam production rate (i.e. pressure) and
enthalpy? Do
you discard it only because you were unable to come up with
On Sep 20, 2011, at 10:14 AM, Peter Heckert wrote:
Am 20.09.2011 19:49, schrieb Horace Heffner:
I think my conclusion was good: "None of this indicates for sure
whether Rossi has anything of value or not. Maybe he does. The
continued failure to obtain independent high quality inpu
owered woos? The water is obviously under high pressure.
The couple atmospheres pressure estimate by others does not seem
off. You need a numerical velocity to determine the difference?
- Original Message - From: "Horace Heffner"
To:
Sent: Tuesday, September 20,
t out of
control.'
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I have just lost about 50% (left side) of my left eye. It may be a
retinal detachment. It seems to be coming back. I may not respond for
a bit.
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On Sep 20, 2011, at 11:43 AM, Peter Heckert wrote:
[snip]
A proven COP of 2 is more important than a doubtful COP of 6.
[snip]
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So very true.
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dness, so I was very concerned.
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http://tinyurl.com/28a8pxu
http://tinyurl.com/3cegmxo
http://tinyurl.com/3vuopax
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test
. com problem by white listing tinu
yurl.com. It appears that all is well now.
If you posted anything with "tin yurl.com" in it in recent months it
is likely those posts did not make it into the vortex-l archives.
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is likely those posts did not make it into the vortex-l archives.
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Test of mail-archive.com faq,
I am sorry for the meaningless posts.
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kely those posts did not make it into the vortex-l archives.
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es.
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ore nerves are affected then it might too late.
Take this serious please!
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- Original Nachricht
Von: Horace Heffner
An: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Datum: 21.09.2011 09:25
Betreff: Re: [Vo]:stopping
Thanks for the kind words. It appears it was very likely n
for billions of people, there is a duty to rise to the
highest possible standard of data acquisition to avoid the extensive
damage failure of such a highly visible public affair can have on
what little research is now funded, and to reach that high standard
as quickly as possible.
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On Sep 20, 2011, at 11:24 AM, Peter Heckert wrote:
Am 20.09.2011 20:38, schrieb Horace Heffner:
On Sep 20, 2011, at 10:14 AM, Peter Heckert wrote:
In all demonstrations, January demo, Essen Kulander demo, 3 Ny
Teknik demos, the electrical input energy was not enough to heat
the water to
On Sep 21, 2011, at 4:29 PM, fznidar...@aol.com wrote:
You appear to have recovered. I am happy for you.
Thanks!
I won't know the full story for a week, but all is fine for now.
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On Sep 21, 2011, at 8:24 PM, Peter Heckert wrote:
Am 22.09.2011 02:18, schrieb Horace Heffner:
FIG. 4 NOTES
It is notable the 2 cm of lead is not evident. The insulation
looks more like a polyester than fiberglass, and if so its melting
temperature is around 250°C.
It could be
well above 10 keV, and yet emitted these at a kW level.
This seems very unlikely. If such were found, however, it would be a
monumental discovery. And, it would be easily detectible at close
range by NaI detectors, easily demonstrated scientifically.
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lar problems to the subsequent tests. Also, these tests
have been discussed for a very long time and probably anything
significant to be said about them has been said.
–Jouni
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0.99
196548 196798
1.00
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results as obtaining them.
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On Sep 21, 2011, at 11:18 PM, Horace Heffner wrote:
On Sep 21, 2011, at 7:40 PM, Jouni Valkonen wrote:
[snip]
I have snipped material, some of which I disagree with, but seems
not worth debating at this late date.
This is very good observation. If your calculations are correct, then
it
On Sep 22, 2011, at 5:16 AM, Joe Catania wrote:
Congrats! You are doing some good work.
Thanks Joe!
- Original Message - From: "Horace Heffner"
To:
Sent: Thursday, September 22, 2011 2:25 AM
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Review of Travel report by Hanno Essén and Sven
Ku
an expected. It looked like
the T-trap would fill in seconds. It looked like it was a closed end
T. If it were an open end T then the steam would pour out as well.
So .. Rossi made it available, Lewan didn't use it. Who's to blame?
Lewan couldn't use it?
Best
On Sep 22, 2011, at 1:53 PM, Alan J Fletcher wrote:
At 02:26 PM 9/22/2011, Horace Heffner wrote:
Lewan couldn't use it?
I can't find his statement that he measured the outflow through the
T-trap. I don't THINK I imagined it
I don't see how it is possib
is the following:
- the system is more or less at steady-state
- the flow into the T-tube (let's call it 'outlet_overflow') was
(more or
less) constant,
- the liquid water coming out the end of the HOSE was then:
Outlet_overflow + condensation_in_the_hose
-Mark
-Or
rt.
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On Sep 22, 2011, at 6:24 PM, Stephen A. Lawrence wrote:
On 11-09-22 08:40 PM, Horace Heffner wrote:
This is in regard to the 7 Sept. Lewan "Test of Energy Catalyzer"
report. URL:
http://www.nyteknik.se/incoming/article3264365.ece/BINARY/Report+E-
cat+test+September+7+%28pdf
gather
overflown water. _Obviously_ it was not in operation during the
NyTeknik demonstration. MW unit has similar setup, but it is more
sophisticated and valve controlled.
—Jouni
On Sep 23, 2011 3:52 AM, "Horace Heffner"
wrote:
> There can be no flow into the
On Sep 22, 2011, at 2:06 PM, Jed Rothwell wrote:
Horace Heffner wrote:
Some questions for you and other self-appointed experts here:
This remark seems to have some emotional content.
Darn right it does. I am annoyed.
DO you know of any requirement for anyone here on vortex-l to be
damage failure of such a highly visible public affair can have on
what little research is now funded, and to reach that high standard
as quickly as possible.
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On Sep 23, 2011, at 9:58 PM, Kyle Mcallister wrote:
--- On Fri, 9/23/11, Horace Heffner wrote:
This measurement conflicts with early arrival time data for
neutrinos from supernova. The New Scientist article quotes
Marc Sher of the College of William and Mary in
Williamsburg, Virginia
A slight correction to the Dt calc made below.
On Sep 23, 2011, at 9:58 PM, Kyle Mcallister wrote:
--- On Fri, 9/23/11, Horace Heffner wrote:
This measurement conflicts with early arrival time data for
neutrinos from supernova. The New Scientist article quotes
Marc Sher of the College of
ulse, traveling on a momentarily merged string.
The hypothesis is tenuous. However, it indicates a possible
experimental direction, looking at the effect of a through earth's
core pathway.
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instead of tinyurl.com
–Jouni
Thanks for the info!
I sent an updated one that also does not have the tinyurl. It
archived OK:
http://www.mail-archive.com/vortex-l%40eskimo.com/msg51772.html
This is still a work in progress of course. 8^)
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n observable time.
This area is of great importance to the deflation fusion theory:
http://www.mtaonline.net/~hheffner/CFnuclearReactions.pdf
http://www.mtaonline.net/~hheffner/DeflationFusion.pdf
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Attached is the scale reading at 0:33 in the Mario video:
http://youtu.be/OHvnpYgg_rw
This reading corresponds to the initial 10 kg weight. Note the 5
major divisions. The question then is whether the line at 6 o'clock
is the zero line.
<>
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Attached is the scale reading at 2:44 in the Mario video:
http://youtu.be/OHvnpYgg_rw
This reading corresponds to the final weight. Note the 6 major
divisions. 12 minor divisions. The question then is whether the line
at 6 o'clock is the zero line.
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Attached is a jpeg, Krivit9_53.jpg, from 9.53 in the Krivit video.
showing Rossi's wrist and the steam pipe.
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<>
ased water.
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k that comes from air, that was
dissolved
> in the evaporated water and could be avoided with de-gased water.
>
>
>
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On Sep 25, 2011, at 1:03 PM, Peter Heckert wrote:
<http://www.unibo.it/SitoWebDocente/default.htm?UPN=enrico.campari%
40unibo.it&TabControl1=TabCV>
So he should know much about steam,energy and water overflow ;-)
I wonder if it was a percolator? 8^)
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uccess in
his next test of the E-cat, using a heat exchanger. I hope his test
is definitive.
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The text quoted by Passerini was from a letter from Levi inviting
Brian Josephson to participate and not Brian Josephson's own words.
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On Sep 25, 2011, at 2:32 PM, Akira Shirakawa wrote:
Hello group,
This got just post
It is nice to see our views so closely aligned. My comments are
mainly additive.
On Sep 26, 2011, at 6:39 AM, Jed Rothwell wrote:
Horace Heffner wrote:
First, let me say, despite the casual, inaccurate, and one data
point nature of the method shown, it is far better than any
ut not more than
in short, this time I trust in a good 24 hours!"
Quite a mixup! What is going on with NASA? Is that another mixup?
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