Horace Heffner wrote:
All the opinions in the world can not change the fact that water was
probably coming out of the device in large mass proportions, whither
or not the device produced some nuclear heat.
Here is what all the opinions in the world cannot change: liquid flow
test proves
Jouni Valkonen jounivalko...@gmail.com wrote:
Horace wrote: «I would note that steam sparging can have large errors due
to steam escaping, due to variability in measuring the temperature decline
curve, due to variations in the calorimetry constant with temperature, and
due to imperfect
Horace Heffner wrote:
Here is what all the opinions in the world cannot change: liquid flow
test proves that the machine is producing 12 to 16 kW of excess heat.
Period.
Again, where is the data for this test.
http://lenr-canr.org/News.htm#Rossi18HourTest
(with links to NyTeknik)
And do
Peter Heckert wrote:
- Although Rossi initially complained about it, he agreed to perform
tests without phase changes (no steam)
I dont understand this. The devices where tested all the times with
steam successfully.
So they should be tested with steam . . .
Many people prefer to avoid the
Peter Gluck peter.gl...@gmail.com wrote:
And I also hope he will be obliged to test individual E-cats
instead of that monstruous combination of 330 E-cats.
With such an impossible set-up everything is possible.
I believe NASA is testing smaller units. The 1 MW gadget is not ready.
Akira
Peter Heckert wrote:
Yes, Rossi can look inside, but we cannot, so we cannot accept it.
Even if the pope himself swears it on the holy bible I would not
finally believe this before I have seen it myself.
Do you mean: 1. Until you see an actual machine in operation? Or 2.
Until you have
Peter Heckert peter.heck...@arcor.de wrote:
If they use a transparent measuring method like massflow calorimetry that
excludes any possible error, then I believe it.
You mean liquid state mass flow calorimetry, with no phase change. Not steam
or ice calorimetry.
That is a reasonable demand.
Horace Heffner hheff...@mtaonline.net wrote:
This test shows your true colors. It indicates that you actually expect the
steam power to be on the order of 100 watts, not 10,000 watts or even 1,000
watts. If you put a wand issuing 10,000 watts steam power into the bucket
you will get a notion
Horace Heffner hheff...@mtaonline.net wrote:
I don't see your point. I used to do this test with a hose producing 75 kW
at Hydrodynamics Inc. It worked fine. The results were close to the expected
amount from that heater.
If that was a Griggs device I wonder if your memory might be failing
Horace Heffner hheff...@mtaonline.net wrote:
My first reaction is: did it not occur to anyone in 18 hours to reduce the
flow by a factor of 10 so as to get more reliable numbers?
I would not recommend that:
1. The machine went bonkers when they started the run, producing very high
heat. I
Horace Heffner hheff...@mtaonline.net wrote:
I am happy to see such a neat application was found for Grigg's technology.
I hope he has benefited from it.
Griggs left the company many years ago. The company seems to be doing well.
They no longer talk about the fact that their machine
Daniel Rocha danieldi...@gmail.com wrote:
What do you mean by excess heat? I thought it was a link to a website of bio
fuel.
It is a long story. The Hydrodynamics gadget produces heat by generating
ultrasound. Under some circumstances it appears to produce anomalous excess
heat. Many years ago
I sure hope this works out. I described this enthusiastically in chapter 16
of my book.
I have read that the first cultured meat (in vitro meat) may not taste
very good. It may lack flavor and the fibers may not stick together much,
giving it an odd texture. Perhaps they can use it for filler, or
Daniel Rocha danieldi...@gmail.com wrote:
Do you have links for articles regarding this experiment? It looks like
fishy.
See p. 43-1 here:
http://lenr-canr.org/acrobat/EPRIproceedingc.pdf
it was not fishy. I do not do fishy stuff. It was inconclusive. it is
unfinished business. If cold
See:
http://www.xanthipress.gr/eidiseis/politiki/9154-xynidis-kontos-aitisi-ergostasio-syntixi-defkalion-.html
A translation sent to me by someone (maybe done by Google):
No applications for plant in Xanthi
With new negative letters answered, as expected, the question submitted by
the MP
OrionWorks - Steven Vincent Johnson orionwo...@charter.net wrote:
The last 20 seconds of part 4 of the interview were amazing! :D
Yes, it would appear that Rossi changed his mind. ;-) Very mercurial of
him.
In the last 20 seconds he says Krivit did a very good job. I agree that he
did, in
Peter Heckert peter.heck...@arcor.de wrote:
This makes me a little bit sceptic about LENR. They research for 20 years
now and still have no repeatable results.
That is incorrect. You need to read the literature more carefully before
commenting on this research. McKubre, Storms and others
Peter Heckert peter.heck...@arcor.de wrote:
10-20% COP is easily explained as measuring error.
Not with the instruments used by McKubre or Storms. If you think it would be
easy I suggest you write a paper explaining how that might work with the
system described here:
See:
Chubb, S.R., *O Reator Rossi de 10kW.* Infinite Energy, 2011(96): p. 31.
http://lenr-canr.org/acrobat/ChubbSRoreatorros.pdf
Bacchi, S., *Coletânea de artigos sobre o aparelho de fusão a frio Rossi*.
2011, LENR-CANR.org.
[That title doesn't survive conversion.]
MJ feli...@gmail.com wrote:
Coletânea de artigos sobre o aparelho de fusão a frio de Andrea Rossi
Hmmm . . . It is properly formatted in EndNote but by the time it gets
converted to HTML format by my Pascal program the ã characters are lost. I
guess I should convert them to a.
American
I changed the a which changed the name:
Bacchi, S., *Coletanea de artigos sobre o aparelho de fusao a frio Rossi*.
2011, LENR-CANR.org.
New name:
http://lenr-canr.org/acrobat/BacchiScoletanead.pdf
- Jed
Alan: Thanks again for monitoring Rossi's blog.
- Jed
I read this story and tried to look up another, and got this error
message from NBCSandiego.com:
Our servers are down so we're digging up the streets and blocking
traffic. We are pretty sure this will go faster than the most recent
City construction project, so check back soon. Sorry for the
Some interesting quotes from Slate:
http://slatest.slate.com/posts/2011/09/09/california_blackout_utility_worker_s_error_in_yuma_leaves_san_di.html
QUOTE
Much of Southern California and parts of Arizona and even Mexico came to a
standstill Thursday, apparently thanks to a blunder by a single
Peter Gluck peter.gl...@gmail.com wrote:
really interesting but unverifiable now. Otherwise it is a temporary
saison morte in the Rossi camp, nothing happens. Dekalion seems to be dead
and unressurectable . . .
I doubt that. As far as I know Defkalion intends to continue with their
plans to
See:
Grimshaw, T., *Evidence-Based Public Policy toward Cold Fusion: Rational
Choices for a Potential Alternative Energy Source*. 2008, The University of
Texas at Austin.
http://lenr-canr.org/acrobat/GrimshawTevidenceba.pdf
Peter Gluck peter.gl...@gmail.com wrote:
I hope so too but I have not a iota of proof for that, except wishful
thinking and sympathy for them.
Do you have more?
I have had some contact with the company. They tell me everything is going
forward as planned. That isn't proof of anything, but I
Peter Gluck wrote:
But Xanthi Press wrote no testing by State authorities no
plant. Confusing.
The Sept. 1 report said they do not have a license for the plant yet.
Defkalion confirmed they are still working on that. I do not think the
report said there has been no testing.
There is also
OrionWorks - Steven V Johnson svj.orionwo...@gmail.com wrote:
Inquiring minds want to know... What does Defkalilon's have on hand?
Do they possess the equivalent of Rossi's eCat technology in-house, or
not.
They say they do. See their web site, their statements at PESN, and the
press
OrionWorks - Steven Vincent Johnson orionwo...@charter.net wrote:
A subtle point the above premise may have gotten completely wrong is the
fact that as automation takes over more and more jobs in traditional
manufacturing sectors it is NOT necessarily true that these misplaced
workers will
fznidar...@aol.com wrote:
Yes has you read Lights in a Tunnel it is shareware and goes through this.
Would free energy mean more or less jobs, perhaps Jed knows.
When I wrote the book in 2004, in chapter 20 on employment I said that cold
fusion would not have a large impact. Nearly everyone
mix...@bigpond.com wrote:
I don't see why they would need to store any Hydrogen. They could just
produce
it on demand through electrolysis. If they can't do this then the device is
worthless anyway.
It is a bad idea to produce hydrogen on demand with electrolysis. That adds
to the complexity
mix...@bigpond.com wrote:
I get it, said Adell. Don’t shout. When the sun is done, the other
stars
will be gone, too.
This is of course not true. New stars are being born all the time.
They know that. The basic point remains valid. Read the whole story:
mix...@bigpond.com wrote:
then cold fusion will reduce overall employment by 1.2 million people.
Inexorably.
[snip]
This may well be true in the USA which already has a high standard of
living,
however CF will make a huge difference in the developing world, where
billions
of people
mix...@bigpond.com wrote:
Over the long haul, it's going to need to come from electrolysis anyway.
That's
where most of our hydrogen is. It doesn't need to cause explosions if done
correctly.
Of course. Over the short-haul too. But it should be done at specialized
facilities by experienced
mix...@bigpond.com wrote:
Who said anything about do it yourself? I didn't mean to imply that every
device sold should have an electrolyzer included. What I meant was that the
factory could have a dedicated unit that they used to produce bottled
Hydrogen
for inclusion in the devices.
That
See:
http://www.slate.com/id/2303250/
Photos of early personal computers:
http://www.computerhistory.org/revolution/personal-computers/17/intro
When a technology is just getting started, product designers do not know
what the machines should look like. They do not understand what the customer
I wrote:
It is symptomatic of early machines that the designers don't know what it
is they're trying to accomplish because they have no experience using the
machines. It is not their fault. They tend to go overboard and throw in all
sorts of features that are not called for. Early technology
Examples of elaborate and useless features in naval technology include:
Modern naval rams, which became popular in the late 19th century after the
Battle of Lissa (1866).
Cage masts, seen in battleships before Pearl Harbor. They were supposed to
let shells fly through without toppling the mast.
Peter Heckert peter.heck...@arcor.de wrote:
Can this be? The Hydrogen bottle lost 25 bar of pressure and about 42 grams
of hydrogen between April and September.
Does this make sense?
How much H2 is typically inside the bottle?
It is probably leaking a little. I have not seen the hardware,
[LENR-CANR.org News Item]
Rossi eCat device demonstrated in self-sustaining mode
September 14, 2011
NyTeknik published three articles and two videos about the Rossi device:
*See the E-cat run in self-sustained mode* Article and video
Joe Catania zrosumg...@aol.com wrote:
The E-Cat ran for 35 minutes without electrical power? Did anyone tell you
that the thermal inertia will run the E-Cat for that long?
At 22:35 input electric power was 2.5 kW. All electric power was cut off at
this time. The temperature dropped from
OrionWorks - Steven V Johnson svj.orionwo...@gmail.com wrote:
Meanwhile, Mr. Rothwell replied to your original comment by posting thermal
measurements that apparently reveal the interesting fact that thermal
inertia had already been taken into account when the temperature initially
dropped
Alan J Fletcher a...@well.com wrote:
And (regrettably) incomplete. We know that the power to the resistor was
being cycled on and off, but not the actual duty ratio!
The duty cycle is 100% after 19:40. It says:
19:40Power was increased to the maximum value, “9.” [blue box control],
and
Peter Heckert peter.heck...@arcor.de wrote:
There is one thing that irritated me. When they show the e-cat in
self-sustained mode, then I cannot hear the pump anymore. Did they stop the
pump and why?
There is no way they would stop the pump! The temperature would climb and it
would blow up.
I wrote:
I do not see what you mean. (I don't hear what you mean.) In the video,
starting around 5:00 they turn off the power. I hear the pump still running.
I mean the video minute 5, which occurred at 23:10 real-time. The pump sound
continues until the video jumps ahead to real-time 23:10.
Peter Heckert peter.heck...@arcor.de wrote:
I mean the video minute 5, which occurred at 23:10 real-time. The pump sound
continues until the video jumps ahead to real-time 23:10.
Yes, I have seen it now. I was in error, sorry.
I got it wrong, too. Minute 5 is real-time 23:35.
It is a shame
OrionWorks - Steven V Johnson svj.orionwo...@gmail.com
mailto:svj.orionwo...@gmail.com wrote:
Meanwhile, Mr. Rothwell replied to your original comment by posting
thermal measurements that apparently reveal the interesting fact
that thermal inertia had already been taken into account
A new version of this report has been uploaded:
*Test of Energy Catalyzer, Bologna, September 7, 2011* Analysis of
calorimetry
http://www.nyteknik.se/incoming/article3264365.ece/BINARY/Report+E-cat+test+September+7+%28pdf%29
The new version says QUOTE:
22:35 Power to the resistance was cut
Alan J Fletcher a...@well.com wrote:
Lewan did report that at setting 5 the ON and OFF times were equal.
So taking the duty cycle as PLC/9 is about as good as we can guess.
Lewan wrote that PLC/9 is full cycle. Also, that is a single digit decimal
display. It don't go any higher than 9. Nine
Horace Heffner hheff...@mtaonline.net wrote:
More importantly, the claim that all the water was being converted to
steam, the repeated, defended, and heralded basis for thinking something
practical has been created, the basis for the calorimetry of the public
demos, is now shown to be
Stephen A. Lawrence sa...@pobox.com wrote:
And we know the probe came out dry because Galantini said so. Right?
Yes, of course. It is very easy for a person to observe that a probe is wet
or dry. A small child could do this.
Galantini, the man who claimed to have tested the steam and
Alan J Fletcher a...@well.com wrote:
There would appear to be from 17 to 20L of water stored in the E-Cat.
Rossi said the reactor volume is 30L -- but this includes space for water
and for steam.
I asked Lewan about this. He said: The volume of the cell was at least 22.5
liters, as shown
Stephen A. Lawrence sa...@pobox.com wrote:
**
Sorry -- I'm afraid I crossed over the line in my previous post into
sneering.
The truth is I feel kind of bitter about this whole thing.
Don't fret about it. Forget it.
Ever since I put together what I knew about the early results with the
Stephen A. Lawrence sa...@pobox.com wrote:
I would get testy if people addressed me the way they have addressed him.
Also, if I were Levi I would have tossed Krivit...
I wasn't talking about the Krivit interview, which I haven't read. I was
thinking in particular of a response from
Colin Hercus colinher...@gmail.com wrote:
Of all the demos reported this new one is the least convincing and is a
major disappointment.
I tend to agree, because power input was high and they did not measure total
enthalpy. However, the last 35 min. with no input power redeemed the test. I
do
Stephen A. Lawrence sa...@pobox.com wrote:
But my opinion is the only one I've got, so naturally, I believe it.
You have no choice. Belief is not voluntary. A person cannot persuade
himself that 2+2 does not equal 4. That is the problem with some arguments
in favor of religion such as Pascal's
Stephen A. Lawrence sa...@pobox.com wrote:
My concern is actually rather different.
My concern is that I suspect he knows perfectly well what the flaws were in
his analysis, and realizes that the steam wasn't dry.
And that, in turn, leads me to question any testimony from Galantini.
You
Joe Catania wrote:
There would appear to be from 17 to 20L of water stored in the E-Cat.
It takes ~5MJ to heat 17L of water from 30C to 100C. So it would
appear that there are 25MJ stored elsewhere at this point.
Stored somewhere, you say. Where? The metal? There are 80 kg of metal,
mainly
Horace Heffner wrote:
As I showed numerically, it was not reasonable that no water was
ejected in the prior demonstration tests unless the tests were run at
precisely the right input power (from electric plus LENR) at all times
to just boil all the water yet not raise the steam temperature.
This is very helpful. See:
http://www.nyteknik.se/incoming/article3267991.ece/BINARY/Temperature+data+Sept+7+%28xls%29
The data is taken at 2 second intervals.
The thing cools down slowly after the pump is turned off at 23:10. assuming
the reaction is fully quenched at that time you can
I wrote:
The thing cools down slowly after the pump is turned off at 23:10. assuming
the reaction is fully quenched at that time . . .
That may be a rash assumption. It is sometimes hard to quench a cold fusion
reaction.
I don't see the temperature going up anywhere after 23:10, so I guess
Daniel Rocha danieldi...@gmail.com wrote:
It doesn't go down. The temperature falls to ~100.3C at 23:19:00 but starts
raising at 23:22:01 an slowly raises continuously until the data collect
is stooped at 23:29:07, with a temperature of 105C.
Oh! You are right. I should have graphed it. I
Daniel Rocha danieldi...@gmail.com wrote:
There is a curious thing between 23:25:19 and 23:26:23 on column D, where
probably water enters the cell 2.
I believe this is discussed in the log graph:
Note: jumps in serie2 to (inlet water temp) are due to the probe being
pulled out of the water
Akira Shirakawa wrote:
I tried making a more detailed chart:
http://i.imgur.com/lU42G.png
Good job.
The heat-after-death event is marked here in the top graph with the red
cross-hatching, between 22:35 and 23:10.
I do not see why you have the Input Current (A) rising at around 18:35
Horace Heffner wrote:
A 0.7°C temperature rise is significant with any thermocouple. That
can't be noise. There is no question there must be a heat source in
the cell.
Yes - it is the 80 kg of cell metal which has stored heat.
Stored heat can only be released monotonically declining. The
Horace Heffner hheff...@mtaonline.net wrote:
If I did the calculations right, then this indicates the device could blow
up. If there are emergency steam relief valves on the devices the steam
could be released inside the container.
Some friends of mine who wish to remain anonymous know a
Bastiaan Bergman bastiaan.berg...@gmail.com wrote:
At min 4:24
John Maddox
Editor of Nature magazine
says: It [cold fusion] will remain dead for a long long time
This to me means that it is not dead for forever, or 'temporarily
dead' be it for a long time. Does anyone know what Mr. Maddox
OrionWorks - Steven V Johnson svj.orionwo...@gmail.com wrote:
It's quite odd to notice that on the skeptical side of the fence the subject
of CF continues to be perceived as a bogus completely unproven source of
energy. Therefore, one would infer from such conclusions that Rossi's 1 MW
[This just in, sent by a friend. I don't write to the DoE. I wouldn't
bother.]
Monday, September 19, 2011
Dear Mr. Owens:
This is in response to your e-mail message to Secretary Chu dated September
13, 2011 in which you asked to know where the Department of Energy stands on
“cold fusion.”
Susan Gipp susan.g...@gmail.com wrote:
did you have the chance to ask DoE about Rossi's e-cat ? He claimed in his
paper that DoE saw a succesfull demostration back in 2009 !
I did not communicate with the DoE. Someone else did, and they sent me a
copy of the response. As you see, it is a
See:
http://e.nikkei.com/e/fr/tnks/Nni20110920D2009A09.htm
NAGOYA (Nikkei)--A Toyota Motor Corp. (7203) group research firm said
Tuesday that it has developed technology that duplicates how plants make
energy, using only sunlight, water and carbon dioxide.
Artificial photosynthesis is not new,
peter.heck...@arcor.de wrote:
Now what happens, when an inventor without deep knowledge and experience
constructs a steam device, makes it unaccessible and then lets unexperienced
scientist measure the steam?
Most scientists expect that devices that they use are properly constructed and
work
Horace Heffner wrote:
Some questions for you and other self-appointed experts here:
This remark seems to have some emotional content.
Darn right it does. I am annoyed.
DO you know of any requirement for anyone here on vortex-l to be an
expert to comment?
Not to comment. I have no
Stephen A. Lawrence wrote:
If nothing else, this shoots down the old canard (often claimed by
those trying to argue that SR is just a big conspiracy) that any
scientist who actually measured a particle going faster than light
would suppress the result to avoid going against the establishment.
See:
Levi, G., et al., *Teste experimental de um dispositivo mini-Rossi na
corporacao Leonardo, Bologna 29 de marco de 2011*. 2011, Bologna University.
http://lenr-canr.org/acrobat/LeviGtesteexper.pdf
- Jed
In this section:
http://lenr-canr.org/Collections/DoeReview.htm#Submissions
. . . I have a list of papers submitted to the DOE panel by Hagelstein et
al. For reasons beyond the scope of the discussion I have brought this list
up-to-date, adding several papers. This is at the bottom of this page.
Peter Heckert peter.heck...@arcor.de wrote:
However, experts skilled in the art have said that Galantini's methods are
correct.
Did Galantini know whats inside the tower?
Did these experts know whats inside?
They say they looked inside it. They saw nothing unexpected or unusual.
Horace Heffner hheff...@mtaonline.net wrote:
People who tell it like it is look sophomoric, in my opinion. People who
are dismissive run the risk of being themselves dismissed. It is better to
leave some room to retreat in case it turns out you are wrong.
What is so bad about being wrong.
THAT is astounding. There has been slow progress toward mind-reading
machines and machines that can be controlled by the mind. This looks like a
large leap. Kind of like that Google self-driving car versus earlier
attempts to make antonymous cars.
- Jed
Peter Heckert peter.heck...@arcor.de wrote:
found a video that demonstrates how easy steam calorimetry can be done:
http://youtu.be/OHvnpYgg_rw
No heat excanger needed as they will use at sweden and no 6 months of
preparation as Levi claimed.
This is a steam sparge test. This is what I
Jouni Valkonen jounivalko...@gmail.com wrote:
This increases the digestibility of of food by a lot. This is because the
energetic cost of digestion will be reduced greatly, because we can come
along with smaller gut and shorter chewing time, but also we can get much
more energy from the food
Ah, I see that Terry has already posted a link to this book. Great minds
think alike.
- Jed
Horace Heffner hheff...@mtaonline.net wrote:
First, let me say, despite the casual, inaccurate, and one data point
nature of the method shown, it is far better than any calorimetry applied in
Rossi public demos.
I agree it is better for steam. It is the only reasonable way to measure a
Right. Josephson says he has no intention of doing a test at present. This
was a mixup.
The text quoted by Passerini was from a letter from Levi inviting
Brian Josephson to participate and not Brian Josephson's own words.
- Jed
Jouni Valkonen jounivalko...@gmail.com wrote:
Yup, stirring is the problem. You need to stir vigorously with a stick or
something like a Dremel tool with a paint mixer attached. (Like a giant
eggbeater.)
That is untrue, it is not a problem. It really does not need much
efforts to stir
See:
http://www.slate.com/id/2304442/
This article references Martin Ford's Lights in the Tunnel which was
discussed here.
- Jed
Horace Heffner hheff...@mtaonline.net wrote:
It is nice to see our views so closely aligned.
They are indeed.
I think running the steam and water through a condensing heat exchanger
works very well, provided *all* the flow and temperature variables are
recorded very frequently - more
Akira Shirakawa shirakawa.ak...@gmail.com wrote:
What this exactly means, it's still unknown to me. I thought they wouldn't
have had anything to do with Rossi and e-Cat based products anymore for the
time being.
Rossi said that, but Defkalion never agreed. They do not acknowledge a rift:
Susan Gipp susan.g...@gmail.com wrote:
Jed, in your opinion, how can DT go ahead with their scheduled plans if
Rossi never gave to them the e-cat technology (the secret sauce ?)
Defkalion says Rossi gave them all information about the technology long
ago, and they are capable of making all
Rossi wrote:
WE WILL MEASURE THE ENERGY TAKING THE DELTA T OF THE WATER, THE
WATER, THE WATER, NOT OF THE STEAM NOT OF THE STEAM, NOT OF THE
STEAM, THEREFORE THE ISSUE OF THE QUALITY OF THE STEAM HAS ABSOLUTELY
NOT IMPORTANCE, BECAURE WE DO NOT MEASURE THE ENERGY FROM THE STEAM
!!! WE
Man on Bridges manonbrid...@aim.com wrote:
Statistically each Ecat has it's own independent chance of explosion at any
given moment which does not change over time.
I believe that is incorrect. Boiler explosions are caused by the overall
temperatures and pressures of the machine. When a
ecat builder ecatbuil...@gmail.com wrote:
There is NO evidence that Rossi's newer generation E-Cats have ever or will
ever explode.
Anything that produces steam can explode. Wet coal, for example, is very
dangerous.
If you happen to be on Rossi's invitation to see his 1MW plant, by all
OrionWorks - Steven V Johnson wrote:
The concerns I've seen raised have far more to do with
the delicate management of a whole lot of highly pressurized steam - a
megawatt's worth of steam.
Ladies and gentlemen, please don't try this at home!
Exactly. That is what experts have been telling
Man on Bridges manonbrid...@aim.com wrote:
In 1906, the Wrights knew *far* more about aerodynamics and the physics of
flight than anyone else in the world. They should have concentrated on what
they knew best, leaving other details to other experts. It was a waste of
time for them to work on
Jouni Valkonen jounivalko...@gmail.com wrote:
And Krivit started vicious ad hominem attacking against Rossi and
Levi. By for what reason?
What is Krivit's evidence? Rossi purposefully showed him a dummy
E-Cat that does fool no one.
If that is true it should certainly make Krivit upset! It
Toyota announced a plug-in previous hybrid car will be available nationwide
starting January 1, 2012. The base price is around $32,000. Battery range is
greater than 20 km.
In other news from Japan, the Fukushima reactors are now all cooled below
100°C. In English:
In principle, thermal-solar should be cheaper than PV, but rapid progress in
PV has outpaced solar-thermal. This may be a case of the second-best
technology beating the best because of government subsidies and widespread
interest and participation in the development. See:
OrionWorks - Steven V Johnson svj.orionwo...@gmail.com wrote:
I assume you meant to say Prius whereas Dragon interpreted your
dictation as previous.
Yup. You gotta watch it.
Somehow a $32k price tag along with a whopping 20 km max range does
not strike me as terribly impressive. Am I
Horace Heffner wrote:
Interesting! Thanks for posting that. So the 1 MW E-cat will be
tested in Bologna Oct. 6 with Teknik, and Focus information agency,
using a heat exchanger.
http://www.focus-fen.net/
One unit from it. Not the whole shebang. I guess that should be ~15 kW.
- Jed
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