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Recent comments here seem to suggest that the E-Cat chimney is simply
filled with hot water during operation.
Maybe, but think about it. Common sense would indicate that the fabrication
of this chimney is evidence of too much effort to be merely a receptacle
for
-Original Message-
From: Terry Blanton
The alloy Ni45Co5Mn40Sn10 achieves multiferroism by undergoing a
highly reversible phase transformation ...
Did he say phase transformation?
It's enough to make you believe in witch doctors!
isn't that the same thing as multi-pharaohism
In addition to E-Cat, is there another item, perhaps a dwarf on the menu
for this Fall?
The myth about a brown dwarf instead of comet Elenin has probably been
debunked but still... do we know for sure?
http://spaceobs.org/en/tag/c2010-x1-elenin/
Jones
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This could be important. Here is the story
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2011/06/110627143833.htm
From: Mark Iverson
This interesting tidbit from PhysOrg.com... Anything interesting about the
numbers 83 and 105?
Scientists have discovered fundamental steps of
From: Mark Iverson
... Anything interesting about the numbers 83 and 105? [wet water
structure]
I cannot find any connection in number theory.
The best site on the web for water structure, as vorticians know - is Martin
Chaplin's, but it does not specify anything special about these values,
http://jlnlabs.online.fr/cfr/files/CirilloDtransmutat.pdf
Caserta, Italy is about 30 km north of Naples
An unusual predicament is lurking in the background of the field of LENR,
due to Rossi's (apparent) success.
Prior to Rossi, palladium-deuterium - Pd-D - was king. Now it is looking
like Ni-H will be the heir to the throne. Generally this change in focus
away from exotic materials seems like a
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From: mix...@bigpond.com
I'm somewhat surprised that no one tries Lanthanum alloys, since these are
used
for Hydrogen storage, implying high loading.
Hi Robin,
Yes, a few of the lanthanides, particularly cerium, have potential for high
loading and reasonable cost.
Not many people remember this chapter in the history of LENR offshoots ...
since presumably it did not work as well as initially claimed, despite
coming from Brookhaven.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cluster_impact_fusion
Here is the story of the debunking of CIF (Cluster Impact Fusion) but
LOL. The personal dynamics emerging out of the Rossi story as we move into
Independence Day, especially on the journalism end of the spectrum, are
becoming quaintly humorous, no?
Let's face it: this is either the most important invention of all time or it
is a massive, embarrassing scam. It's
http://www.qsinano.com/new/qsi_nano_nickel_ni_5_oct_09.pdf
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and difficult to recite from
memory.
Jones
From: Alan J Fletcher
Roarty, Francis X wrote:
http://www.physics.purdue.edu/people/faculty/yekim/BECNF-Ni-Hydrogen.pdf
This sounds familiar to posits by Jones Beene. I'm not convinced it rules
out initial ZPE
Contributions but it sounds
Akira - yes this conversation did happen; but it is/was NOT supposed to be
public. The subject line is also misleading.
Celani (via Passerini) should not have posted it. But, since 'LA-cat is out
of the bag,' why not make the best of it?
This is an extraordinarily important validation for the
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From: Akira Shirakawa
By the way, I wonder if the Rossi-like experiment being tested at
LANL has something to do with the recently disclosed Brillouin device
which is supposed to be replicated there too...
... that is a very good bet
Perhaps this is the reason
I suspect you were using pure water and it superheated. You were lucky -
superheated water from a microwave can explode and cause a burn.
Myth-buster did short vid on it - using a sugar cube instead of tea bag.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1_OXM4mr_i0
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From: Stephen
From: francis
* I agree the core is hotter and the Casimir regions where the heat
anomaly is born may be even hotter yet. I know Jones Beene posits these
areas can be considered cold due to confinement but myself being of a
relativistic perspective think these hot and cold labels
Akira posted Julian Brown's recent criticism on Rossi in which he shares
Steven Krivit's skepticism, based on lack of scientific standards of proof.
Like Krivit, he cannot say that there is no robust anomaly, but only that
the proof is weak to non-existent; and that Rossi is not only stubborn, but
Daniel,
They are the same person.
JS Brown, formerly of Oxford is the same Julian Brown, now with the EPO.
-Original Message-
From: Daniel Rocha
BTW, I refer to the Julian Brown of the EPO, not this one:
http://arxiv.org/abs/0711.1878
President Alexandros Xanthoulis sez At the end of September there will be a
public demonstration of the final product (the Hyperion) , the power output
of the device would be 35KW/h.
from the website e-cat world
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Terry,
Stray current between two resistance heaters would be counter-intuitive,
since the heaters are supposed to be well insulated electrically, and
therefore not thermionic - so we must ask: what kind of current flow is even
possible between two resistance heaters should you desire to maximize
Are you ready for an apéritif yet ? It's after 6 somewhere, as they say ...
http://www.lenr-canr.org/acrobat/CampariEGsurfaceana.pdf
Funny thing about this paper. They talk about many issues of Nickel-hydrogen
which seem to be interesting but comparatively irrelevant - but do not
mention a big
As a parting shot, so to speak - let me chime in with a couple of comments
on Fran's behalf - and others who see cavity-QED as the best answer to
understanding the thermal gain in Ni-H (as opposed to the other proposed
transmutation reactions, including Piantelli, Focardi etc. since they should
The two could be part of the same phenomenon in a local geometry (thus
permitting so-called Casimatter, which implies an antigravity effect). IOW
this does not have to be related to some kind of Hubble scale effect,
based on Universal expansion as the accelerating force.
That is - if there is
Beautiful photo montage of a number of hot fusion's devastating failures.
None of them had a ghost of a chance:
http://www.technologyreview.com/energy/38167/?nlid=nldlynld=2011-07-29
How much precious RD resources have been funneled into this abysmal joke
(by the skeptics of LENR) ?
$100
Footnotes of interest, for the Cultured few amongst us - in what may end-up
as either a modern-day myth-come-true ... or else a Greek tragedy...
Δευκαλίων - Deucalion or Defkalion
The two English translated names: Deucalion, or Defkalion, are one and the
same individual, the son of Prometheus -
Of visual interest to the well-grounded inventor -
This one is surely galvanic, with 'dirt' as the electrolyte:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7jsCMbQN4U0
or especially lidmotor's cement battery, which he does not believe is
galvanic .
Mark,
Why measure steam quality at all? If there is one lesson we all should have
learned from the many painful gigabytes of wasted bandwidth on Vortex about
steam quality, it is that you simply cannot satisfy everyone this way. Too
many variables.
But there is a simpler and more accurate way
... imagine the possibilities of this for the white liquor biz g
-Original Message-
From: Terry Blanton
http://www.jouleunlimited.com/news/2011/joule-awarded-patents-high-volume-et
hanol-production-sunlight-and-co2
Cambridge, Mass. - July 26, 2011 - Joule Unlimited Technologies
Sun Tea will never be the same ...
-Original Message-
From: Terry Blanton
... imagine the possibilities of this for the white liquor biz g
All I need to do is get my hands on a culture!
T
Several interesting and provocative News items can be found in Mitchell's
newsletter.
http://world.std.com/~mica/cft.html
The first relates Robert Foot's mirror matter in the context of dark
energy/dark matter which is one of Horace's pet themes. From that point on
- the connection of this
Hold the presses.
Full Story at 5.
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There is no official announcement that I am aware of from Rossi, but I have
not checked the blogs today.
There has been circulating to potential investors what claims to be a Press
Release, and which appears to have been issued by ANDREA ROSSI AND EFA
S.R.L.
I have not posted this document,
Can we not get this Steorn holdover, whoever he really is, removed from this
list ?
He refuses to post under a real name. He bad-mouths everyone who does not
worship Rossi and has no apparent understanding of the science involved. Has
he ever contributed anything to our understanding of the
Well since this breakup information finally comes from Rossi himself, the
earlier press release was apparently not a forgery.
At any rate, it would be easy to misinterpret what this E-Cat breakup means,
but it clearly means that Rossi does not realize that DGT may know his
all-important secret.
...err ... speaking of holy grails ?
-Original Message-
From: Terry Blanton
I hear that Nicosia is nice in the fall g
Did you know that Cyprus was once owned by the Templars?
UPDATE:
I have been alerted that the likeliest location of Hyperion development in
Cyprus is not Nicosia but Limassol, which also looks very inviting
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Limassol,_Cyprus
...err ... speaking of holy grails ?
I hear that Nicosia is nice in the fall g
Did you know
Well, well, well indeed!
As the evidence adds up, it is looking more and more like this impulsive
move by AR - to sever the relationship with DGT - was not such a smart move.
Did he let his ego get ahead of cool-headed self-restraint?
Seriously, did he not essentially cancel a contract that
Brain Ahern's results are strong evidence that anomalous thermal gain is
possible with nano nickel. From there on, it is a struggle to increase the
gain.
IOW - the HUGE step is to get to rock-solid COP1. This is a done deal. From
there on it's a matter of engineering.
In Brian's results the
As you say Terry, Mills has defined the required catalytic energy hole in
such a way that most of the periodic table can be shoehorned into his
parameters g
... that is: if you allow all of the possible permutations: IOW all of those
which work out to a ~27.2 eV NET (ionization-potential) hole -
Whoa! The Dream is not over. It has just been renamed . and/or redefined.
There does not have to be a lie. The scenario which keeps everyone (both
Rossi and DGT) technically honest is:
1)Cyprus is not Greece, and there are at least two corporate entities
involved with similar names -
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From: Roarty, Francis X
Steven, The secret addition may or may not need to be a catalyst if it is
the SHAPE of the Nickel grains and how they Interlock with each other that
is the controlling factor. I suggest the pyrophoricity of metal powders is
also heavily
700 MHz Cellphone Spectrum - a warning
Although the link between cell phones and cancer is supposedly not strong,
if you look at the actual details -the greatest connection to disease
correlates with the longest exposure periods. Things can only get worse,
since usage is increasing, the users are
Ya' know, I haven't been the same since enjoying the view and a few
cocktails
at the Sun Dial . back in the day .
From: Terry Blanton
700 MHz Cellphone Spectrum - a warning
If this were a problem, would it not have been spotted when the UHF channels
were operating in these bands?
It is a mystery why nobody seems to be giving DGT (or PDGT) enough credit
for being able to enlist credible scientific expertise, and then to
replicate a 17 year old experiment in the public domain. These are
intelligent people, and they are wealthy.
Unless this drama is about stupidity or
http://nextbigfuture.com/2011/08/defkalion-claims-they-have-energy.html
_
It is a mystery why nobody seems to be giving DGT (or PDGT) enough credit
for being able to enlist credible scientific expertise, and then to
replicate a 17 year old experiment
Nano is the key to many anomalies, and the follow numbers tend to support
a surprising conclusion, to wit: Rossi's industrial secret catalyst is NOT
nearly as good as the original .
In 1994 in a series of experiments lasting over a year, but before nickel
nanopowder was available, Thermacore
From: OrionWorks - Steven Vincent Johnson
... What tends to happen under these kinds of circumstances where someone
appears to be on a self-righteous kamikaze mission to destroy the reputation
of an individual and his company.
Hmm... Funny thing this question came up as I had been reading the
Abstract of Tsyganov paper.
http://www.journal-of-nuclear-physics.com/?p=510
Recent accelerator experiments on fusion of various elements have clearly
demonstrated that the effective cross-sections of these reactions depend on
what material the target particle is placed in. In these experiments,
From: Axil Axil
* There have been reports that Rossi uses big micro grain sized
particles as a lattice support structure to buttress small nano-dimensioned
tubule structures of nickel. This more complex topology would cut down some
on the maximum surface area that would be provided by a
-Original Message-
From: Terry Blanton
I suggest a third way, without introducing dark matter and without
modification of the law of gravity ... the key hypothesis is that matter and
antimatter are gravitationally repulsive, and there are two gravitational
charges: positive
This thesis from NC State has not been mentioned here before, as best I can
tell. It is fairly recent, but there could be one useful finding.
http://docs.google.com/viewer?a=vq=cache:GdJCGKinenoJ:repository.lib.ncsu.e
du/ir/bitstream/1840.16/31/1/etd.pdf+strontium+Nowakhl=engl=uspid=blsrci
Steven, a logical error could be in assuming gravity and antigravity are
perfectly symmetric in an inverse way, or that antigravity scales in a similar
way as gravity all the way down.
This may or may not be true, since the big (HUGE) hurdle to overcome first is
to document that antimatter is
Recently, an experimenter asked for the identity of the best fit in the
periodic table for the catalytic energy hole at 2Ry = 27.2 eV based on
CQM theory. I dug up an unanswered post from the HSG days. It may need
revision.
Anyone who reads the BLP experiments can recite the 'usual suspects' in
Correction.
Value for strontium is wrong. Thanks Rob.
Looks like Moly is the best.
I am wondering about how Mills would account for alloys. If the two elements
can average their IP somehow, then it might be possible to nail the value
closely.
Variance
Robin,
I have a third ionization energy of 43.6 eV which gives:-
Where did this value turn up?
I was using an old version of Mills' CQM (hardback) but pasting from two
different sources in the original post, so I think your value could be
correct. At least it is a better fit when one enters
Someone (Jed or Horace?) wrote:
* If the results indeed were obtained and were positive and useful it is
strange that Defkalion did not pay up according to its contract.
It would not surprise me that positive results could be exactly *why* they
did not pay up !
DGT is facing the
From: Colin Hercus
* Funny that this module should produce 20Kw if it's part of a 1MW
reactor and if it was then how much back pressure would that little steam
orifice generate and how much energy would the system lose as steam squeezes
out that orifice. There's so much unexplained and so
Horace
Too bad the money that went into Solyndra didn't go into nano-
capacitors. Energy storage is the key stumbling block now for EVs
and renewable energy projects.
I predict that this factory will be back in operation in 6 months. It is a
fabulous facility but with the wrong product
Hey guys - isn't Rossi-mania already reading like a geek gossip column?
(Dear Daniel:)
The bogosity level hovering around the E-Cat is already so extreme that
further speculation pushes into the realm of Sci-Fi ... after all, I am just
re-interpreting a few published News stories already out
Oops - my mistake .
Should have been Dear Daniele
blog http://22passi.blogspot.com/
From: Daniel Rocha
Well, I am used to read computer news, so a little bit of Rossi-mania is
good for a change.
Hey guys - isn't Rossi-mania already reading like a geek gossip column?
-Original Message-
From: mix...@bigpond.com
The paper is dated 2010, not 2011.
Right. That is why I am thinking that the 18 months (before publication)
will be over 'any day now' and we should be able to learn the details (at
least to the level that one 'skilled in the art' can
-Original Message-
From: Peter Heckert
BTW, around anno 1950 there where special hydrogen-iron resistors available.
These are iron filaments in a hydrogen atmosphere. These where used for
current limiting.
When the Iron filament reaches a temperature above some 100 degrees, the
http://www.cnn.com/2011/WORLD/africa/09/22/libya.war/index.html
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From: Daniel Rocha
* I noticed that the countdown at http://ecat.com/ points to tonight,
October 1st, 12:00am. This is odd given that the only significant market in
my timezone is that of my country, Brazil, but that page is in English. What
does that show to you?
Hmm . Brazil is the
Not new papers, but new to me (and probably to U2)
http://puhep1.princeton.edu/~mcdonald/examples/current.pdf
http://gr.physics.ncsu.edu/files/babson_ajp_77_826_09.pdf
Older vorticians may remember Scott Little posting on this subject a decade
ago.
Needless to say, Scott did not foresee OU
In what was otherwise a disappointing demo (due to the missing four hours of
the scheduled 12)... and which would have made all the difference between
success - and the 'yawner' that we are stuck with ... there is one lingering
issue.
This 'mystery device,' aka a frequency generator, could be a
-Original Message-
From: Craig Haynie
Defkalion: We also identified confidential (yet shown in public) special
instruments designed in collaboration with Rossi and prepared by Defkalion.
CH: Could that 'confidential special instrument' be the frequency generator?
Didn't Rossi bring
http://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/biblio?DB=EPODOCII=0adja
cent=truelocale=en_EPFT=Ddate=20110922CC=WONR=206236A2KC=A2
There is a lot to wade through here... and I have not found the spark of
brilliance yet, but apparently this is the basis of Mills'
latest-and-greatest claim
Thanks, Akira ... More drama indeed! Move over, James Bond there is new
poker-faced gambler in town.
This is looking almost like financial suicide on Rossi's part (assuming DGT is
not bluffing). AR has made all the wrong strategic moves and with mind-boggling
naiveté. In contrast, the low key
-Original Message-
From: OrionWorks - Steven Vincent Johnson
BTW, have you been able to discern anything interesting from the BLP CIHT
patent? I seem to recall in that your last comment on the matter you had not
uncovered anything of particular interest.
I was hoping that Robin,
Hi Ron,
Here is the page from Tel Aviv University:
http://www.tau.ac.il/~supercon/
It is likely that the white disc is a composite sandwich of materials which
is mostly (90%) merely a thermal insulator - possibly a white cloth or foam
of some kind holding a 'supply' of LN for an
I was only guessing. Jeff Driscoll found the answer in these videos
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VyOtIsnG71U
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VyOtIsnG71Ufeature=related feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6lmtbLu5nxw
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6lmtbLu5nxwfeature=related
As most vorticians are aware, a certain mad Italian has explosive plans for
October 28, 2011, so to speak.
Here is an even nuttier nut-case commentary, turning the whole scene of Oct
28 into something of prophetic Revelation of grand cosmological
significance, and with the obligatory biblical
Well - everyone who has followed this story for the last year (or twenty
years for some of us) should perhaps go on record in the next few days with
their well-considered predictions, as Terry has ventured. And not just a
prediction but a rationale for the justifying their slant on the outcome of
BTW one thing not discussed earlier was slide #48 - entitled Preliminary
Excess Heat Measurement etc.
This used nanopowder supplied by Brian Ahern, if I am not mistaken, and yet
it was NOT his most active nanopowder. Not even close. There is a typo in
the description which should have included Ni
– this situation also point to a real nuclear reactor, which
comes under the control of the NRC in the USA, and it would be little different
in Europe - except possibly for the Balkans :-)
Jones
From: Jouni Valkonen
Jones Beene wrote:
In one early test in Bologna, a tank
It seems you are conflating two processes when only one will suffice. And one
of them is absurd from the start.
Why pump the liquid at all? Why use a magnetic field with pumping, when a
simpler route exists? Calutrons were a gigantic waste of money in the Manhattan
project and were only used
Need a break from Rossi madness? Slow slide into crazy? Do you know about
the Mental illness happy hour?
Well those guys have learned that co-mingling wry humor (or rye humor, if
after 5) with pathological science is a good place to start. To that end,
here is an unauthorized episode.
Start
Jones,
Is this paving the way to a new kind of doping in sports? To be seen at next
Olympic Games!
;-)
mic
Il giorno 10/nov/2011 17:54, Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net ha scritto:
Need a break from Rossi madness? Slow slide into crazy? Do you know about
the Mental illness happy hour
From: Jeff Sutton
This is not the proof we wanted :)
http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/mystery-radiation-detected-europe/story?id=149
32064#.Tr1zdcNFunA
http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/mystery-radiation-detected-europe/story?id=14
932064
This story involves the release of iodine-131, apparently
The RD in the reference below is almost a decade old and comes from the
mainstream of physics - (and courtesy of your tax dollars and NIST) and . it
can relate to LENR in an unintended way, via the route of what has been
called:
1) Temporal or temporary BEC
2) Virtual BEC
3) Quasi
-Original Message-
From: Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
... the only problem is the question of whether or not a condensate will
form ...
Here are citations from Mitchell Swartz, which are not found on the LENR
site, in which he finds evidence of BEC formation:
Swartz, M.R., Survey of the
-Original Message-
From: Stephen A. Lawrence
Isn't that endothermic? We way past iron here.
I tried to make it very clear that this article, which is quoted in the
original posting does not go there - not in any remote way.
The article is simply of interest for both the focus on
-Original Message-
From: Stephen A. Lawrence
That juxtaposition of fusion, generate energy, and rubidium 85
doesn't sound right.
That's quite true - including the little problem of rubidium not being a
boson.
OTOH - many things that don't sound right today are merely awaiting a
As we mentioned in previous postings, any nuclear reaction with Rb is
extremely unlikely, if we assume it is related in any way to a thermonuclear
reaction.
HOWEVER, and this is the interesting point: there is actually one category
of reaction involving bosons that has not been ruled out and
-Original Message-
From: Horace Heffner
JB: As we mentioned in previous postings, any nuclear reaction with Rb is
extremely unlikely, if we assume it is related in any way to a thermonuclear
reaction.
HH: I think this is true. OTOH, the fact that a gas, Kr, would be
produced from a
-Original Message-
From: Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
However, given that MCF as an explanation for palladium deuteride CF is a
very, very long shot, and seems generally contradictory to the evidence ...
No, no - I think this is a slight misinterpretation - if I understand what
you are
-Original Message-
From: Horace Heffner
Cosmic rays are isotropic. At the surface their effect is not
isotropic due to a slight east-west bias due perturbation of cosmic rays by
the earth's magnetic field, however diurnal *flux* variation is small ... I
think it is neutrino flux
-Original Message-
From: mix...@bigpond.com
If lattice resonance is a factor, then some depth may be required to build
up a strong enough resonance effect that the mechanism can operate.
(analogous to adding more dipoles to a TV antenna)
Hi Robin,
Lattice resonance and depth below the
-Original Message-
From: Stephen A. Lawrence
Jones Beene wrote:
I have lost the citation from a few weeks ago that claimed that below a
threshold of about 10 nm, the expected blackbody frequency is upshifted
for
nanostructures, in general.
SAL: If I understand you
-Original Message-
From: Stephen A. Lawrence
I'm not going to pretend I can follow the reasoning here. Sorry...
Well, you can lead a horse to water, but you can't make it drink.
If it helps to slake your thirst for nano-insight on this subject, here is
the same story from a
Stephen
It's clear that you are trying to re-characterize a mistaken understanding
on your part, in order to try to win an argument that can only be won if you
get to rephrase it your own terms.
For instance: CoE has *nothing* to do with the issues here. CoE is first
law. We're
talking about
-Original Message-
From: Stephen A. Lawrence
My comments all addressed the issue of a BB spectrum shift, and were not
related to superradiance.
Aha. I see, this is a miscommunication more than just being argumentative.
I'll take that as an unintended apology, since you must have
Ron,
You have to wonder - with liquid glass and a commercial laser engraver
(etcher) which is similar to an ink jet printer -
http://www.epiloglaser.com/product_line.htm
and some imagination and metal-coated film, if one could not etch the
circuits with the printer, then coat this film with the
-Original Message-
From: Ron Wormus
What I really need is a heater! It's been an unusually cold winter on the
CO front range this year my gas bills crazy high just to keep this old
place around 60 degrees.
You should never have given up on those fractional hydrogen gas-discharge
-Original Message-
From: Horace Heffner
I am curious as to why you think circuits have to be etched? To use
silicon for a solar cell I think it has to be doped, so as to create a PN
boundary. It is the potential drop across the PN boundary that actually
drives a solar cell. The sun
As controversial as the subject is, the Wiki article is balanced, if not
leaning towards the minority viewpoint:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Expanding_earth
Here is what is said about Adams:
One prominent present day advocate of an expanding Earth is comics artist
Neal Adams,[34] who
Scott,
One thing I meant to add to the previous - about the methodology for an
expanding earth - and it is not mentioned in the Wiki piece - is the
assertion of Dr. R. Mills of large scale hydrino T formation in the solar
corona.
Side note: Due to trademark concerns, we are usually
for those Smokers!
Oh! I don't care! This is still an elegant hypothesis! :-)
A+
Regards,
Steven Vincent Johnson
www.OrionWorks.com
www.zazzle.com/orionworks
From: Jones Beene [mailto:jone...@pacbell.net]
Sent: Sunday, February 14, 2010 9:58 AM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Subject: RE: [Vo]:Theory
Meulenberg's paper can be download online.
Lochon Catalyzed D-D Fusion in Deuterated Palladium in the Solid State
By K. P. Sinha and A. Meulenberg
Abstract
Lochons (local charged bosons or local electron pairs) can form on D+ to
give D- (bosonic ions) in Palladium Deuteride in the solid
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