On 23/01/2012 6:14 PM, Jojo Jaro wrote:
Shaun, you are in error. I have examined your pictures and like Mary, I
do not see the significance of the goop you are referring to. BUT ...
For the sake of discussion, I accept your premise that the goop was
placed there so that Tout can be higher than
On 22/01/2012 6:57 PM, Mary Yugo wrote:
On Sat, Jan 21, 2012 at 11:45 PM, Shaun Taylor shauntaylor...@gmail.com
mailto:shauntaylor...@gmail.com wrote:
Rossi faked the 6 Oct data and fooled all the Experts that
attended the demo. Some BIG names there.
Hey, do me a favor. I agree
On 22/01/2012 7:51 PM, Axil Axil wrote:
This crusade serves to only amuse the five star general of incongruity
who sits on high at the right hand of chaos, who calls the tune; who
pulls the strings, with every word he inspires the fight, till all
collapse in the dance of exhaustion and
it's
removal is clear.
Shaun
On 22/01/2012 5:00 PM, Shaun Taylor wrote:
I refer the reader to this report by your own Horace Heffner
http://www.mtaonline.net/~hheffner/Rossi6Oct2011Review.pdf
Please to to the bottom of page 3 where Horace discussed the placement
of the Tout thermocouple
On 22/01/2012 9:32 PM, Peter wrote:
Am 21.01.2012 16:04, schrieb Daniel Rocha:
Dear group:
Take a look at the background 0:12, behind the e-cat, you will see the
container at the same place.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=odkfAjqA4pcfeature=related
Rossi will have an explanation for this:
On 22/01/2012 10:15 PM, Wolf Fischer wrote:
Shaun,
I don't know if you know the following thread but this topic has been
analyzed before:
http://www.mail-archive.com/vortex-l@eskimo.com/msg52981.html
Further, Rossi answered to a question regarding the thermocouple placement:
On 23/01/2012 12:01 AM, Wolf Fischer wrote:
Shaun,
I didn't say anything about believing or not Rossi. I was more kind of
questioning if this topic has to be discussed once more.
Wolf
We have new data
Rossi has been caught telling 2 really big lies
The position of the Tout thermocouple is
On 23/01/2012 1:38 AM, John Milstone wrote:
So... Rossi had the old container in his warehouse on 10/28, for the
dog pony show. Meanwhile, he had a second box hidden somewhere else
(or he build a second one between 10/28 and 10/30, when he claimed it
was gone). The secret customer tested the
On 23/01/2012 1:47 AM, John Milstone wrote:
Not to mention that on 10/30 Rossi answered Yes to the question Have
you started building another 1MW in another container?
He said nothing about having finished a second box, nor of having
shipped it. It's clear from his answers that the first box is
On 23/01/2012 1:52 AM, John Milstone wrote:
If you're being sarcastic, I congratulate you on your subtlety.
If you're being serious, I would ask you to provide any evidence at all
to support your statement. It directly contradicts everything that Rossi
has said. On October 30 (just two days
On 23/01/2012 2:06 AM, Daniel Rocha wrote:
Rossi installed the other box at the customer's site, he even supervise
it. Probably he also tested the other box there.
Daniel there is no 2nd BBB. It is just another lie in a long line of
Rossi lies.
Shaun
On 23/01/2012 3:38 AM, Mary Yugo wrote:
On Sun, Jan 22, 2012 at 6:14 AM, John Milstone
john_sw_orla...@yahoo.com mailto:john_sw_orla...@yahoo.com wrote:
As for Focardi and Levi, I notice that they never corrected any of
the various lies about the University of Bologna actually
On 23/01/2012 4:46 AM, Jed Rothwell wrote:
These people include Mary Yugo, Axil Axil, John Milstone, Eff Wivakeef
and others. You know who you are. If you will not stop this childish
nonsense, I ask you to shut up and go away. I ask Bill Beaty to ban you.
I have been adding you to my personal
On 23/01/2012 5:01 AM, Mattia Rizzi wrote:
Here is the video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tqhXotcu5hsfeature=player_embedded
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tqhXotcu5hsfeature=player_embedded
You can see the 1MW plant.
I've contacted the author: the video footage was taken in the first day
of
On 23/01/2012 6:08 AM, Stephen A. Lawrence wrote:
On 12-01-22 04:24 AM, Shaun Taylor wrote:
The goop is where the bead of the thermocouple was placed. There is no
other reason for anything like that material to be there other than to
provide a good heat exchange between the brass fitting
On 23/01/2012 6:28 AM, Jed Rothwell wrote:
It is either minor confusion or a minor lie.
Minor Lie? WTF?
Rossi lied to the world about shipping the words first operational 500
kW LENR reactor to a secret customer and later lied about going there to
do the install.
Jed what does it take to
On 23/01/2012 6:31 AM, Mary Yugo wrote:
On Sun, Jan 22, 2012 at 11:55 AM, David Roberson dlrober...@aol.com
mailto:dlrober...@aol.com wrote:
Mary, there are serious problems with Rossi's demonstrations that we
are all aware of. It is apparent to me that he has a very difficult
On 23/01/2012 6:38 AM, John Milstone wrote:
At the risk of confusing the issue, is it possible that Rossi is trying
to *reduce* the apparent temperature of the system?
After seeing the video of the September test, and reading Eff Wiavkeef's
comments here:
On 23/01/2012 6:46 AM, Robert Leguillon wrote:
/snip/
It is either minor confusion or a minor lie. Minor compared to the usual
level of chaos that Rossi sows when he opens his mouth. This incident
sent AussiGuy into a tizzy. I told him I do not understand why, because
anyone who has dealt with
On 23/01/2012 9:55 AM, Mark Iverson-ZeroPoint wrote:
Shaun states as fact:
He [Rossi] has been caught working with licensees to take green family
investor money despite saying he would never do this.
I think I have read all the postings so far, and Shaun was specifically
asked, I think twice,
On 23/01/2012 10:46 AM, Craig Brown wrote:
I think you are misreading the situation. The problem here is the
accusatory and pathalogical scepticism displayed by posters such as
yourself which is based on attacking the character of anyone and
everyone who is keeping an open mind regarding Rossi's
On 23/01/2012 10:47 AM, Mark Iverson-ZeroPoint wrote:
So here was Shaun's acknowledging the FACT that he doesn't know, or have
evidence that Rossi is even aware of the Australian licensee (Millin):
Mark, since then I saw the slide show and other data about that event on
Millin's site.
He
Who needs Rossi and his fake Ecat when a commercially available Hitachi
heat pump, the Eco Cute, achieved a COP of up to 8 way back in 2008.
http://www.mayekawausa.com/brochures/pdf/wEcoCute_brochure.pdf
Shaun
On 23/01/2012 11:58 AM, Mark Iverson-ZeroPoint wrote:
Shaun,
Picking data apart is one thing, but when you choose to state, AS A FACT,
that Rossi is knowingly working with Millin, you damn well better have
direct evidence (e.g., a contract with Rossi's sig, or video of Rossi
interacting with
On 23/01/2012 12:27 PM, Jed Rothwell wrote:
As I noted, the temperature was measured by Lewan.
Who is now known to have covered up multiple Rossi lies and to have
accepted the BS Tout bead placement in the 6 Oct test. So please explain
why Lewans has credibility in your eyes?
Are you
On 23/01/2012 12:47 PM, Jed Rothwell wrote:
Shaun Taylor shauntaylor...@gmail.com
mailto:shauntaylor...@gmail.com wrote:
Of course we welcome your
contributions to the technical discussion here.
- Jed
Oh so now Vortex is only a PRO Rossi discussion group
On 23/01/2012 12:26 PM, Chemical Engineer wrote:
Shaun,
I use a heat pump with COP of 6 in Georgia to heat my pool. It still
needs a heat source such as relatively warm air or geothermal as a
primary heat source.
Of course. We do not create energy from nothing. We transform it from
one form
On 23/01/2012 1:12 PM, Jed Rothwell wrote:
Shaun Taylor shauntaylor...@gmail.com
mailto:shauntaylor...@gmail.com wrote:
We now know Rossi is a self admitted liar, from the 6 Oct images we
know he placed the Tout bead to create an artificially higher
temperature than reality.
You
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On 23/01/2012 2:16 PM, Craig Brown wrote:
In 5 years of listening to you ENDLESSLY complain about investors being
ripped off and people being scammed you have been unable to point to
even ONE single instance of someone who has made a complaint. You talk
of victims like they are everywhere when
On 23/01/2012 2:43 PM, David Roberson wrote:
I think you are suggesting a way to defeat the laws of thermodynamics
with your heat pump that has a COP of 10. This is a lot like having an
electric car with a generator that recharges the battery. My bet is that
the heat output is at too low of a
Interesting comment by Sol Millin on the BNE site
http://www.byronnewenergy.com/wiki/index.php?title=Main_Page
There is certainly no radiation coming from the device or any radwaste
accumulated in the device. This has been confirmed to me in writing by
Andrea Rossi.
Another Smoking Gun for
Rossi speaks:
NOT ONLY I CONFIRM THAT I VERIFIED THAT THE WATER TEMPERATURE IN THE
EXHAUST STREAM UNDER OPERATING CONDITIONS HAS BEEN MEASURED AND
MATCHES THE READING SEEN ON THE TEST THERMOCOUPLES,
Ok Mr Rossi, if that is so why didn't you leave the Tout thermocouple in
the exhaust water
On 23/01/2012 5:41 PM, Mark Iverson-ZeroPoint wrote:
You used some interview with NyTeknik to claim that that was indeed the
case, so I was simply assuming that your reporting of what went down in that
interview was accurate, and proposing what may have occurred between Rossi
and Amp; in
On 23/01/2012 5:29 PM, Mark Iverson-ZeroPoint wrote:
Since you failed to rebut my assumption that Millin is guilty of running at
least one or more scams, obviously lying to perpetrate those scams, then is
that assumption correct?
I'm waiting on feedback from Bryce about what he heard about the
On 23/01/2012 5:56 PM, Mark Iverson-ZeroPoint wrote:
Thank you Susan for triggering a major point about the so-called
skeptics, now obviously fitting the definition of ‘trolls’, that have
been spewing their BS for that last several days…
If you guys and gals are s concerned about
On 21/01/2012 5:50 PM, Mary Yugo wrote:
On Fri, Jan 20, 2012 at 10:18 PM, Shaun Taylor shauntaylor...@gmail.com
mailto:shauntaylor...@gmail.com wrote:
Ok Rossi may not be interested in private investors for Leonardo Corp
Well, we don't know that. He says it but it doesn't mean he
On 21/01/2012 9:28 PM, John Milstone wrote:
For what it's worth, here are the relevant links I have on Rossi's
claims of having been working with the University of Bologna...
June 18, 2011, Rossi says, In these days, together with the
University of Bologna and with my Customers, we have made
On 21/01/2012 9:57 PM, Ransom Wuller wrote:
Well, maybe the scam doesn't work anything like your speculation.
Listen, that interview was a huge waste of my time. This Bryce guy knows
far less about any of this then anyone following this on the Vortex.
Maryyugo could have done a much better job
On 21/01/2012 10:11 PM, Eff Wivakeef wrote:
Keef - my advice to you - is to get your act together on your real
adversary. It is GOW and not LENR. LENR is essentially correct, as science.
Yes, it rests on the vagaries of QM, but it may carry QM to the altar and
not the other way around. Check out
On 21/01/2012 11:12 PM, Eff Wivakeef wrote:
http://rossilivecat.com/all.html
Grab it quick before they take it down.
(I've saved it)
No PROOF that it is Greg Watson
but by the timing and all I am fairly confident.
It sure SOUNDS like him, and what he is tryn gto do is put together a
proposal for
On 21/01/2012 11:25 PM, Jouni Valkonen wrote:
Uh Shaun, wet steam is physical impossibility. All water boilers on
Earth produce 99-95 dry steam, including Krivit's water boiler. You need
to go high pressures and high steam velocities in order to produce
stable wet steam. So please, at least you
On 21/01/2012 11:01 PM, Wolf Fischer wrote:
Shaun,
Bryce may be well respected but he is doing a very poor job regarding
his research on the technology (and LENR in general).
Regarding his calculation: This is also no prove of Rossi conducting a
scam but just leaves the possibility that there
On 21/01/2012 11:19 PM, James Bowery wrote:
On Fri, Jan 20, 2012 at 11:28 PM, Robert Leguillon
robert.leguil...@hotmail.com mailto:robert.leguil...@hotmail.com wrote:
It should be quite obvious by now, that there are a lot of people
being separated from their money without any product
On 22/01/2012 12:00 AM, Alain Sepeda wrote:
you take the cost of the plant as your only parameter.
but normally the fuel is the key cost in normal cheap factory.
here fuel is nearly free
2012/1/21 Shaun Taylor shauntaylor...@gmail.com
mailto:shauntaylor...@gmail.com
It was meant to show
On 22/01/2012 12:14 AM, Eff Wivakeef wrote:
I'm not full of hate dude.
I strongly dislike con-artists and I think they should be locked up
(humanely) in a white room with the lights on 24 hours a day and nothing
to read no TV etc.
Very humane indeed.
A much better situation than their victims
On 22/01/2012 12:21 AM, Eff Wivakeef wrote:
What did this Watson do to you to make you so agro? You seem so full of
hate. Man I don't want to be around if you ever lose it
Ahem!
Keefer,
So all this Watson guy did was to argue with you? You never gave him any
money or he never refused to
On 22/01/2012 12:56 AM, John Milstone wrote:
If you trust Rossi, then you might as well accept the numbers presented
by the unknown consultant of the secret company.
You mean the secret company in the US that Rossi claimed to have visited
to install the plant but somehow it slipped his mind
On 22/01/2012 12:21 AM, Eff Wivakeef wrote:
The only problem here is this guy NEVER actually built one and tested
it. Prof. Clauzon and his team did build one, tested it and found out,
Keefer,
You do know this Prof Clauzon guy that you claimed is a JUNK scientist
was at Rossi's 6 Oct E-Cat
On 22/01/2012 1:13 AM, Jones Beene wrote:
That is absurd – John.
Do you have any depth of understanding on this test, since you seem to be
coming in after all of these details have been hashed and rehashed ad
nauseum ?
These were not merely “guests” dragged in off the campus - Dozens of PhD
On 22/01/2012 1:05 AM, Daniel Rocha wrote:
Bought something for a couple of hundreds of dollars and never got his
thing. That's all...
I have never read that Keef has ever claimed to have bought anything
from Watson. Something else is at the root of his anger. Something that
seems to drive
On 22/01/2012 1:17 AM, Wolf Fischer wrote:
I did a little research on this investor and so on.
From what I see:
This Bryon New Energy Group has been formed by a man called Sol
Millin. This guy once (or still?) advertised a car running on water,
using a cosmic water cell... See here:
On 22/01/2012 11:08 AM, Jed Rothwell wrote:
John Milstone john_sw_orla...@yahoo.com
mailto:john_sw_orla...@yahoo.com wrote:
So, you're saying that Jed Rothwell is wrong when he has stated
repeatedly that he has never caught Rossi lying about his work?
No, the Ni claims are not based
On 22/01/2012 12:16 PM, Jed Rothwell wrote:
Shaun Taylor shauntaylor...@gmail.com
mailto:shauntaylor...@gmail.com wrote:
Oh bullshit. He can't con other people's thermocouples, or replications
thousands of miles away from him, in labs he has never been to. He has
no supernatural powers.
Stop
On 22/01/2012 12:46 PM, Jed Rothwell wrote:
Anyway, it is his business. He can conduct it any way he wants. It is a
free country.
- Jed
Rossi is a liar. Stop defending a liar saying he has the same rights to
conduct business as an honest man. Would you do business with a man that
you knew
On 22/01/2012 2:16 PM, Jed Rothwell wrote:
For all anyone knows he has been to the secret site. Lewan and I do not
follow Rossi around.
- Jed
Rossi claimed to have gone there to do the INSTALL of the BBB which was
in fact sitting, torn apart, in his factory. As Lewans knew of the It
is
On 22/01/2012 2:35 PM, Jed Rothwell wrote:
Rossi has made tremendous contributions to
humanity, so stop kvetching about his foibles. They make no difference.
- Jed
Spew, chuck, vomit.
What tremendous contribution to humanity?
Jed the man is a serial LIAR. He lied about the shipping of the
I refer the reader to this report by your own Horace Heffner
http://www.mtaonline.net/~hheffner/Rossi6Oct2011Review.pdf
Please to to the bottom of page 3 where Horace discussed the placement
of the Tout thermocouple and in particular these 3 images
http://www.redmatica.com/media/Thermo1.jpg
*From:* Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com
*To:* vortex-l@eskimo.com
*Sent:* Saturday, January 21, 2012 8:46 PM
*Subject:* Re: [Vo]:Ni-64 enrichment
Shaun Taylor shauntaylor...@gmail.com
mailto:shauntaylor...@gmail.com wrote:
Rossi lied about the BBB being shipped to a secret customer.
He
On 22/01/2012 4:29 PM, John Milstone wrote:
There's also the possibility that it won't actually
work in actual independent tests.
You got that right. In spades!
Shaun
On 22/01/2012 5:54 PM, Mary Yugo wrote:
On Sat, Jan 21, 2012 at 7:46 PM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com
mailto:jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote:
I do not trust his test data. I trust other people's test data taken
from his machines, and independent replications of them.
How in the
Been a Vortex web lurker too long. Finally something that blows up
Rossi, his lunatic supporters and exposes how this scam works.
http://skepticzone.libsyn.com/webpage/the-skeptic-zone-170-21-jan-2012
It is good to see Ian Bryce of the Australian Skeptics taking a slice
out of Rossi, doing
On 21/01/2012 5:00 PM, Bastiaan Bergman wrote:
Anyone? I'm interested too...
On Tue, Jan 17, 2012 at 11:18 AM, John Milstone
john_sw_orla...@yahoo.com wrote:
Hi everyone!
Last November, Sven Kullander promised a detailed isotopic analysis of the ash from
Rossi's E-Cat by Christmas.
On 21/01/2012 5:12 PM, Phil Wilson wrote:
On 21/01/2012 5:03 PM, thorium breeder wrote:
Is the rossi heater
multi-level marketing in the digital age?
You just got a hole in one.
You got that right. Wonder what happens when the E-Cat
hits 451 deg F? Bury baby burn? Bring it on!
Shaun
On 21/01/2012 5:46 PM, Mary Yugo wrote:
On Fri, Jan 20, 2012 at 10:33 PM, thorium breeder
thorium.bree...@gmail.com mailto:thorium.bree...@gmail.com wrote:
I ask the wisdom of the crowd for a sanity check.
Can rossi achieve do it yourself isotopic separation?
One of the more far out
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