RE: [Vo]:Sleeper from ICCF20

I say that what happens in stars reflects the environment in stars. All bets are off IMHO when it comes to engineered resonant force fields, for example magnetic force fields, that can facilitate nuclear transformations in coherent engineered systems unlike what occur in a star. Bob Cook

RE: [Vo]: Rossi on atomic physics.

Axil— I agree with your notion of current science. IMHO what’s happening (slowly) to physics and chemistry and the other sciences is a gradual change in the scientific community to accepting facts instead of hiding their head in dogma and more myths because of the lack good solid facts,

RE: [Vo]:Should Mills and Rossi be lumped together?

Jones stated: “I am not sure what he hope (sic) to gain by these endless and inane pro-Rossi postings - but it is not respect for his technical ability. Apparently, since Rossi has made a fool out of him, he wishes to share the blame, instead of admitting his gullibility.” I concluded some

RE: [Vo]:Should Mills and Rossi be lumped together?

Bob— Mills and Rossi do not hold a candle to the hype made by the hot fusion community over the years and the golden eggs they have accumulated. Bob Cook Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: Bob Higgins Sent: Monday, March 27, 2017 9:16 AM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: [Vo]:Should Mills

RE: [Vo]:Should Mills and Rossi be lumped together?

Jones— You note regarding the Lugano test and Higgins assessment the following: “The systemic optical false assumptions have rendered any further conclusion unscientific. Levi was reportedly paid an enormous amount of money by Elforsk and yet made stupid errors, notably failing to use high

RE: [Vo]:Should Mills and Rossi be lumped together?

Jones— I assume you lump Rossi’s one-month Lugano test in with your definition of scam-built “half-truths” tests. We will see. Bob Cook. Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: Jones Beene Sent: Sunday, March 26, 2017 6:49 PM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: [Vo]:Should Mills and Rossi be

RE: [Vo]:Should Mills and Rossi be lumped together?

Adrian— I thought the very same thing. The established physics community ignores logic that would upset their apple cart with their rotting apples, and a growing hoard of golden eggs. In this regard IMHO Mills and Rossi should be lumped together. However, their new breed of geese, may be

RE: [Vo]:Should Mills and Rossi be lumped together?

Is it well known based on real data that the charge of the electron remains constant at short distances from another charge-- positive or negative? An interesting recent paper addresses this question. “ Understanding the discrete nature of angular momentum of electron in hydrogen atom with

RE: [Vo]:rare event- information abundance in LENR

The Quark-x temperatures are much higher. However, I do not believe there is a true plasma. Cooling would be to great with the Li vapor around. I would say small drops of Ni may be present with a structure that still could promote LENR, assuming the drops have the correct fuel to support a

[Vo]:Gullstrom-Rossi theory of nuclear/electron-spin-orbit coupling with nuclear transitions to lower potential energy

VORTS— Finally a theory coupling electron orbital energy states with nuclear energy states involving magnetic fields and isotopic shifts to lower potential energy. It fits the LENR multibody reaction model and explains the lack of energetic particles associated with two- body nuclear

RE: [Vo]:12 years from now

Jones— I agree with your sentiments about windows-10. It’s a nightmare compared to Vista, for example. In the future I will look for greener grass and a user friendly operating system—probably Apple. Bob Cook From: Jones Beene Sent: Saturday, March 18, 2017 2:07 PM To:

RE: [Vo]:12 years from now

John--- I actually consider there is no such thing as a supernatural phenomena. All phenomena happen as a result of the “laws of nature,” otherwise known as the doctrine of pantheism. Sorry for the misunderstanding. Bob Cook Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: John Shop Sent: Friday,

RE: [Vo]:12 years from now

The quote you note is NOT MINE! Bob Cook Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: Jed Rothwell Sent: Friday, March 17, 2017 7:05 AM To: Vortex Subject: Re: [Vo]:12 years from now wrote: “I don't think machines will be able to duplicate what a bird brain can do, any time,

RE: [Vo]:12 years from now

“I don't think machines will be able to duplicate what a bird brain can do, any time, ever.  Machines which we can invent are things that we can understand almost completely.  However consciousness, even animal consciousness, is something we will never understand sufficiently to create it,

RE: [Vo]:Sleeper from ICCF20

Eric— I would agree that Ni-56 could be a transition result, except it was not reported by the Indians. Furthermore other transitions may occur without electric force fields ejecting charged entities from the coherent system. 3 virtual muons may fuse to a proton or a neutron during the

RE: [Vo]:Sleeper from ICCF20

Fusion of 2 Si-28 to Fe 56 produces about 18 Mev excess mass energy, or about 1 muon mass for for 18 fusion transitions. Muons that were to carry away mass may not be noticed. Bob Cook Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: H LV Sent: Tuesday, March 14, 2017 4:06 PM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com

RE: [Vo]:Sleeper from ICCF20

The issue of the Coulomb barrier being a concern in transitions of a coherent system makes no sense IMHO. Two-body interactions yes, but for a many bodied entangled systems no. Bob Cook Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: mix...@bigpond.com Sent: Monday, March 13, 2017 8:19 PM To:

RE: [Vo]:Sleeper from ICCF20

The mass differential between 2 Si-28 (27.9769) and Fe-56 at a.m. of 55.93494 is not very much. It may be that Si fusion is involved in the Indian steel plant. Bob Cook Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: Jones Beene Sent: Sunday, March 12, 2017 8:35 PM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re:

RE: [Vo]:Sleeper from ICCF20

Eric— One must look at all the mass involved, not just the Fe. Oxides and carbon mass may also be involved. Bob Cook Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: Eric Walker Sent: Sunday, March 12, 2017 2:04 PM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: [Vo]:Sleeper from ICCF20 Sent from my iPhone On

RE: [Vo]:Sleeper from ICCF20

The trueism suggested is based on two- bodied interactions where large energy releases are the norm. It is obvious that6 that “trueidm” does not appl,y to LENR. Small changes within a many-bodied coherent system are the LENR norm. Many different nuclear changes apparently become possible

RE: [Vo]:Sleeper from ICCF20

4 tons of carbon electrodes would be a production problem. Plus the resulting steel would have strange specifications—welding may be impossible— Bob cook Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: Jones Beene Sent: Saturday, March 11, 2017 11:44 PM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: [Vo]:Sleeper

RE: [Vo]:Mayer, Mills and hopping neutrons

Jones— You mention a dense hydrogen isomer. What do you mean? Hydrogen metal with all nuclei having the same spin direction? Are you suggesting a dense molecular hydrogen? BOB COOK From: Jones Beene Sent: Wednesday, March 1, 2017 12:35 PM To: Vortex List Subject: [Vo]:Mayer, Mills and

RE: [Vo]:DESCRIBING THE MANELAS Phenomenon

In addition the new order remains, since it is embodied in stable nuclear order. Each nuclear transition produces cooling –less phonic energy of the coherent system. Bob Cook From: bobcook39...@gmail.com Sent: Thursday, March 2, 2017 3:56 AM To: Brian Ahern; VORTEX; Jones Beene;

RE: [Vo]:DESCRIBING THE MANELAS Phenomenon

A change in entropy (decrease) as measured by order of the various coherent nano systems would produce cooling of the aggregate system of nano particles. Bob Cook From: Brian Ahern Sent: Thursday, March 2, 2017 3:04 AM To: VORTEX; Jones Beene; Jean-Francois Leitner; jeff driscoll; Robert Yahn;

RE: [Vo]:DESCRIBING THE MANELAS Phenomenon

Brian— You need a sensitive gauss meter—one with a volts output to use the OS to monitor changes with an integrating function—maybe a software package The fastest response you can afford . A software that allows construction of magnetic fields, both H and B fields will be necessary. I

RE: [Vo]:DESCRIBING THE MANELAS Phenomenon

Dave- The “snap” you identify may be nothing more than a coherent system “phase change” nuclear potential energy to lattice electron mechanical energy. It would be interesting to calculate or measure the increase in the magnetic system energy and compare to potential nuclear spin energy

RE: [Vo]:Fukushima much worse than imagined

As more and more fuel elements fail with sea water cooling, an increase in monitored radiations levels could be expected. It would be helpful to know which isotopes make up the monitored levels. Bob Cook Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: Jones Beene Sent: Saturday, February 18, 2017 11:00

RE: [Vo]:DESCRIBING THE MANELAS Phenomenon

bRIAN--- You may wantg to contact UCAR, who seems to have a good knowledge of magnetics regarding reverse engineering the Manelaes device. Trace elements may be an important ingredient which will be hard to detect without destructive examination. Gadolinium is used in MRI (nuclear magnetic

RE: [Vo]:Dark matter discovered !

Jones— I’m glad you are relatively civil regarding our good brethren of the scientific cloth. I trust they are familiar with Dr R Mill GUTCP. Bob Cook Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: Jones Beene Sent: Monday, February 27, 2017 5:10 PM To: Vortex List Subject: [Vo]:Dark matter discovered

RE: [Vo]:DESCRIBING THE MANELAS Phenomenon

Axil— IMHO you have finally got the picture at least with respect to LENR. Bob Cook From: Axil Axil Sent: Friday, February 24, 2017 3:47 PM To: vortex-l Subject: Re: [Vo]:DESCRIBING THE MANELAS Phenomenon Whenever we can get the spin of an atom to move: whenever we can get a spin to lose

RE: [Vo]:Regarding what BOB COOK THINKS ABOUT THE NAE

If the nuclear potential energy source is tapped, then that would greatly supplement the latent heat which is the phonic energy you note. Bob Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: Chris Zell Sent: Monday, February 20, 2017 11:55 AM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: RE: [Vo]:Regarding what BOB

RE: [Vo]:Regarding what BOB COOK THINKS ABOUT THE NAE

Chris- I have understood that phonons are “virtual” particles that represent a localized energy in a crystal lattice made up of kinetic energy and potential energy in a resonant stable dynamic state. It is primarily thought to be an electric field that couples the nuclei and electrons in the

RE: [Vo]:Regarding what BOB COOK THINKS ABOUT THE NAE

Brian— I also thought there might be a connection between the Manelas device and Dragone theory. Again the possibility of reversal of the 2nd Law of T/D is very interesting. One thought I had was the orbital spin quanta are involved since in a coherent system they are limited to changing

RE: [Vo]:Changing the topic back to the test

Jones— I have concluded that Jed frequently draws conclusions that IMHO are not logical. The one you point is one I decided not to even address, since I thought it was obvious to most. Bob Cook From: Jones Beene Sent: Monday, February 20, 2017 7:50 AM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re:

RE: [Vo]:Nickel isotopes, cat-mouse and Russia

The beta from Ni-63 is WITHOUT a gamma. Its energy is 0.0669 Mev, not very penetrating and could be missed. It has a half life of 101 years, not the 3 months that Jones reported. It’s a byproduct of common fission reactors, primarily from the activation of Ni-62 found in reactor

RE: [Vo]:Nickel isotopes, cat-mouse and Russia

Jones- The article notes that centrifuges will be used to enrich “Ni-62” not Ni-63? That may be correct, since Ni-62 is what is used for LENR. Bob Cook From: Jones Beene Sent: Sunday, February 19, 2017 8:29 AM To: Vortex List Subject: [Vo]:Nickel isotopes, cat-mouse and Russia Interesting

RE: [Vo]:Changing the topic back to the test

Higgins— Consistent with my previous comments regarding the IH/Rossi contract, and with respect to Jed’s recent comment: ”You have to be a PHOSITA to replicate. Who that would be and what they have to know is often disputed. It is possible the I.H. people are not PHOSITA enough….”, I consider

RE: [Vo]:Regarding what BOB COOK THINKS ABOUT THE NAE

Dragone discussed the idea of decreasing entropy (increasing order of matter) as a an effect of the magnetic device he described. That may include better nuclear order. Another interesting item is the assessment of the Dragone document.

RE: [Vo]:EM drive accepted now?

Jones— I also have thought that Cooper pairs of protons, acting as a bose particle with 2 electrons (neutral), may be involved in LENR. That was my original thought in 1989 with respect to the Pd face-center lattice and high magnetic susceptibility. It would to know if the potential energy

RE: [Vo]:Regarding what BOB COOK THINKS ABOUT THE NAE

Here is a reflection on the history of the Manelas device. The following link is my source: http://atlantisrisingmagazine.com/article/tiny-tornadoes-of-magnetism-keys-to-free-energy/ This history smacks of a dark (classified) program established in the 60’s regarding the strontium ferrite

RE: [Vo]:Regarding what BOB COOK THINKS ABOUT THE NAE

Brian— The cooling effect is unexpected. It seems that it may be a reversal of the 2nd Law of T/D—a decrease in entropy instead of an increase. Do you know what the thermal conductivity is? I would guess it may be very low, similar to the electrical conductivity. Also is there an open

RE: [Vo]:Regarding what BOB COOK THINKS ABOUT THE NAE

Brian— Thanks for those very pertinent references . The LENR dots are coming together I think; maybe coupled by magnetism? Bob From: Brian Ahern Sent: Sunday, February 12, 2017 3:28 PM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: [Vo]:Regarding what BOB COOK THINKS ABOUT THE NAE The Manelas billet

RE: [Vo]:Tresino, EZBW, Barut, h and bound state of spinning magnets

Roibin— I agree that dimensionless constants are ok. I stand corrected. Bob cook Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: H LV Sent: Saturday, February 11, 2017 7:13 PM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: [Vo]:Tresino, EZBW, Barut, h and bound state of spinning magnets On Sat, Feb 11, 2017 at

RE: [Vo]:Tresino, EZBW, Barut, h and bound state of spinning magnets

The Frederick J. Mayer/ John R. Reitz paper references R Mills work from 1991. The ideas sound much like Randy’s conclusions stemming from his GUTCP. Interesting. The reference made by U Car ( https://arxiv.org/abs/1702.01880 ) to a paper stemming from work in 1991 also reflects

RE: [Vo]:Tresino, EZBW, Barut, h and bound state of spinning magnets

The following link has an instructive discussion of the various scales, including the Compton scale which Jones has identified. http://math.ucr.edu/home/baez/lengths.html Bob Cook From: Jones Beene Sent: Saturday, February 11, 2017 9:40 AM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: [Vo]:Tresino,

RE: [Vo]:Tresino, EZBW, Barut, h and bound state of spinning magnets

Maybe we are seeing the beginning of the explanation of many of the so called constants found in physical theories. For example, might not an electron’s charge be explained as a tightly curled magnetic field disturbance with small dimensions in the realm of the Planck scale? Constants in

RE: [Vo]:Tresino, EZBW, Barut, h and bound state of spinning magnets

The 1-D nature of strong magnetic fields IMHO is what increases the odds of resonant coupling among particles with a magnetic moment. I can imagine that this coupling would also work to couple with the magnetic dipole entities making up nuclei, whether these entities are quarks per the

RE: [Vo]:Defining the active particle of an LENR runaway

Dave— I think the reaction time for the mechanism you suggest if too long to explain the results of the “run-away” phenomena. It seems to me that an entire coherent system must change in a very short instant with the appearance of phonic energy (high orbital valence electron spin)

RE: [Vo]:Defining the active particle of an LENR runaway

Axil— A 20 nanometer particle would include a million or more atoms, plenty to create a lattice that could vibrate with addition of heat. In other words the atoms do not stay in one position but move rhythmically about a point in the lattice. The electronic bonding within the crystal lattice

RE: [Vo]:Defining the active particle of an LENR runaway

Jones – Good questions and fair to midland conclusions. What was the nature of the reactants in each of the run-away reactions? --Pd-D, Ni-H, Li involved, Ti involved etc? Was the size of the likely coherent system in the various cases limited? Were sharply peaking resonance conditions

RE: [Vo]:A LENR molten salt LENR fission reactor.

Funny—I thought Axil’s rating was i^2. Bob Cook From: Brian Ahern Sent: Thursday, February 9, 2017 5:58 AM To: vortex-l Subject: Re: [Vo]:A LENR molten salt LENR fission reactor. I cannot believe it. You are quoting Rossi and his fictional Quark X! Your credibility rating must include i for an

RE: [Vo]:Nickel powder size is important

Jones— I too reviewed the SRI report. The first thing I looked for was a relief valve. There was none. As you point a poor design. The report was not very positive about the cause of the explosion. I concluded the SRI report indicated they did not know the cause with certainty. Bob Cook

RE: [Vo]:Nickel powder size is important

It seems that large energy releases that even kill folks are not very good proof of LENR. So sad. Sloppy records maybe are to blame. Bob Cook Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: Axil Axil Sent: Monday, February 6, 2017 6:04 PM To: vortex-l Subject: Re: [Vo]:Nickel powder size is important

RE: [Vo]:Nickel powder size is important

Jones— Melting the SS vessel may have been pretty good proof, but as I recall when P’s experiment melted the concrete floor it did not cut any ice with the DOE folks as far as their disbelief was expressed—so sad. Bob Cook From: Jones Beene Sent: Monday, February 6, 2017 1:35 PM To:

RE: [Vo]:Magnetic magnesium

The following link: https://phys.org/news/2016-12-laser-pulses-scientists-complex-electron.html#jCp discusses a phenomena that involves resonances and large electronic energy changes that may relate to nuclear-electronic coupling discussed in this thread. Bob Cook From:

RE: [Vo]:Magnetic magnesium

Jones— Not finding data in the open IMHO means it is classified or being held close by a few people. I find it hard to believe the USA atomic power laboratories like Bettis and KAPL with lots for fancy instruments and funds for research have not investigated the Mizuno work. The large

RE: [Vo]:Magnetic magnesium

Some folks think another type of “superconductivity” may occur involving the motion of positive holes in an electric field as opposed to the motion of electrons with mass and other particle characteristics. Bob Cook From: Axil Axil Sent: Sunday, February 5, 2017 6:35 PM To: vortex-l

RE: [Vo]:I calculated his power output from his own data. Itisveryexciting and he may have something real that he is blunderingwith.Seebelow.

Eric— I have reviewed the entire Agreement and Amendments between Rossi etal. and IH etal. The definition of E-Cat IP at paragraph 16.1 and the listing of E-Cat IP in the Exhibit A make it clear that IP does not include intangibles. Only documents, records and other forms of documented data

RE: [Vo]:Magnetic magnesium

Back to significant speculation.. There are many other isotopes with above non- 0 nuclear magnetic moments. Most if not all have quasi stable states with differing spin and angular momentum. The local B magnetic field affecting such an isotope modifies those states and will cause an

RE: [Vo]:I calculated his power output from his own data. It isveryexciting and he may have something real that he is blundering with.Seebelow.

Higgins-- A key question is what constitutes “Intellectual Property” legally. The IP identified in the contract did not spell out the “art” of operating a plant built in accordance with the design described in the patent and the other documents listed in the contract that were transferred to

RE: [Vo]:I calculated his power output from his own data. It isveryexciting and he may have something real that he is blundering with.Seebelow.

Jones— I smiled at your conjectures about Rossi: his reasons to sue, his perceived problems with IH/Cherokee, his greed for a bigger share, his probable belief of IH deep pockets. You could provide a popular sequel to Sherlock. Bob Cook Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: Jones Beene

RE: [Vo]:I calculated his power output from his own data. It isveryexciting and he may have something real that he is blundering with.Seebelow.

Adrian— I got your point the first time. I came to the same conclusion nearly 1 year ago upon Rossi’s filing his complaint in court and as more lawyers came to Rossi’s legal team. Fraudsters do not file complaints against those they defraud! Bob Cook Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From:

RE: [Vo]:I calculated his power output from his own data. It isveryexciting and he may have something real that he is blundering with.Seebelow.

I do not recall that the IH/Rossi contract says anything about the nature of a customer being a manufacturer. The customer may have only been an energy sink, a steam condenser for example. The objective of the test was to produce energy for 350 days out of a year. I’ll review the contract

RE: [Vo]:I calculated his power output from his own data. It isveryexciting and he may have something real that he is blundering with.Seebelow.

Adrian— IMHO if anyone is blundering its IH. They way under estimate Rossi’s resolve and intelligence, not even considering his lawyers input and their incentives. I agree with your conclusions. Bob Cook Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: a.ashfield Sent: Thursday, February 2, 2017

RE: [Vo]:I calculated his power output from his own data. It isveryexciting and he may have something real that he is blundering with.Seebelow.

Higgins’s question about the schematic plan of the plant should settle everything. Normally a system producing steam as the heat transfer agent will have a condenser with a condensate pump in the sump of the condenser. There is a negative pressure—not a back pressure as Jed has suggested.

RE: [Vo]:I calculated his power output from his own data. It is veryexciting and he may have something real that he is blundering with. Seebelow.

The enthalpy calculations of Ahern do not appear to account for the change of the phase of water to steam at about 100 C. This is about 540 calories per gram and should add to the heating of the liquid phase over about 30 C. This amounts to 540 /30 or about 1800% additional enthalpy—joules

RE: [Vo]:Could the future that started out as cold fusion be ... tada... thorium fission ?

Axil— What is the nature of the fission energy released by Thorium fission reactions? Normal energy is gamma and highly energetic fission debris. What is the coupling mechanism you think occurs to transfer this energy to the SPP’s? Bob Cook FRom: Axil Axil Sent: Thursday, January 26, 2017

RE: [Vo]:Could the future that started out as cold fusion be ...tada... thorium fission ?

Criticality based on fast neutrons in regular fission reactors is a bad accident, and it has happened many times—killing workers in some cases. I would guess that any fission reaction could release fast neutrons. However, I may be wrong and would like to review the data on fission cross

RE: [Vo]:Could the future that started out as cold fusion be ... tada... thorium fission ?

Jones— That INEA report from 1980 is a gold mine of data and many interesting ideas about the mechanics of various nuclear reactions. It does NOT say a word about quarks even though the idea of quarks was popularized in the early 1970’s. Good work. Bob Cook From: Jones Beene Sent:

RE: [Vo]:Could the future that started out as cold fusion be ... tada... thorium fission ?

Jones— You note: “The aim of any alternative energy effort is generally this - go small, go simple and go cheap - forget the large expensive grid plant and find solutions for small scale implementation.” Not to be critical, but you sound like a progressive with the design objectives you

RE: [Vo]:Could the future that started out as cold fusion be ... tada... thorium fission ?

Robin— You note: "Runaway" not possible, because the fuel isn't fissile anyway. You also say: 14 MeV neutrons are more than fast enough to fission Th (or any Actinide for that matter, including U238) directly without conversion to a fissile isotope. These two comments seem to contradict

RE: [Vo]:Could the future that started out as cold fusion be ... tada... thorium fission ?

Jones – I My earlier answer to your comment about Thorium fission, I thought you were suggesting fissioning by neutrons.In reading your earlier comment on the Holmild process I realize you meant muon induced fission of Th-232. I agree with you that would be possible, but it would create

RE: [Vo]:Could the future that started out as cold fusion be ... tada... thorium fission ?

Jones— What isotope of thorium is it that you believe could replace U as a target for energy production? I do not think there are any naturally occurring Th isotopes that fission. The closest reaction is a thorium-232 transmutation by a thermal neutron to U-233, which does fission. In

RE: [Vo]:Fast particles

Holmild’s laser source description does not indicated a chirped laser source IMHO. Axil—What do yo mean by “carrier material”? As Axil has pointed out, the experimental process would not seem to produce much plasma, if any, and I doubt a plasma would support the surface reaction Holmild

RE: [Vo]:New paper from Holmlid.

I agree with Axil’s comments about micro and nano domains. However I would add that the domains are what I call coherent QM systems that can initiate the change of nuclear potential energy/angular momentum to phonic lattice vibrations (thermal energy) of the coherent QM system with minor

RE: [Vo]:New paper from Holmlid.

I would question why a neutral KAON CAN NOT DECAY INTO 2 NEUTRAL MUONS? IF THE DATA ON NORMAL KAON DECAY IS FROM HIGH ENERGY 2-BODY REACTIONS, THEN RESONANT STIMULATION OF D AND P BY EM MAY RESULT IN ENTIRELY DIFFERENT RESULTS STATISTICALLY—I.E., 2 NEUTRAL KAONS INSTEAD OF A + AND – PAIR BEING

RE: [Vo]:New paper from Holmlid.

Eric--- You would think so that the high energy folks at CERN would comment, unless they are concerned about their future at CERN. I would pick others to give reputable reports on muons. I would look to the comments of retired high energy physicists that worked on the super collider in

RE: [Vo]:New paper from Holmlid.

Eric-- In other words. DOA, dead on arrival… Bob Cook From: Eric Walker Sent: Saturday, January 21, 2017 9:44 AM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: [Vo]:New paper from Holmlid. Has Holmlid enlisted outside help in characterizing these charged and neutral radiations in this latest paper? 

RE: [Vo]:New paper from Holmlid.

IMHO the Holmild reactiom is not LENR—LOW energy nuclear reaction nor a LATTICE assisted nuclear reaction. The high energy particles belie LENR. The key question is: “HOW DO ALL THE NEUTRAL PARTICLES GET THEIR SIGNIFICANT ENERGY”. It seems from Holmild’s description of the experiment that

RE: [Vo]:New paper from Holmlid.

Does anyone understand how 75% of the particles produced are neutral with significant kinetic energy? It would seem that the neutral particles must come from decay of another particle with significant kinetic energy to start with, and that the neutral particle shares some of that energy and

RE: [Vo]:New paper from Holmlid.

If the muons are charged, they can be focused and polarized in a magnetic field. Hence they can be made to react more readily with polarized electrons in a lattice and their energy harvested in a cylindrical catching device. ARE THE MUONS NEUTRAL OR CHARGED that Holmlid claims? Bob Cook

[Vo]:WHIMPS falling out of Flavor per Sci. Am.

Vorts— Rossi seemed to like an item about WHIMPS brought to his attention on his blog. It seems WHIMP advocates are having a hard time finding any. The Sci Am editor seems to think dark matter theories may entail “fringe science”. Maybe hydrinos? Mills claims to have some data that are

RE: [Vo]:[Vo]Microwave innduced ransmutation

Robin— I think it’s a mistake to consider a coherent system with target nuclei. Target nuclei make sense in two or three body reactions, but not in a solid state coherent system with many bodies coupled together with a single energy and spin state at any given instant. Bob Cook Sent

RE: [Vo]:Speaking of Two Miracles - Knock knock knockin on heaven's door

There’s only one miracle.That is a many-bodied reaction with no kinetic energy to conserve—only spin and potential energy and angular momentum—not really a miracle. Bob Cook From: Russ George Sent: Wednesday, January 18, 2017 6:11 PM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: [Vo]:Speaking of Two

RE: [Vo]:Quark soup life is like a box of chocolates, you never knowwhat you are going to get ;)

Russ— You say “data speak to me”. I agree with that idea. The high energy electron scattering experiments on protons and neutrons that W. Stubbs has evaluated are pretty good evidence for constituents of those particles not being primary particles of fractional charges, quarks. I have

RE: [Vo]:Brillouin Energy press release

I wonder if Ni Nano particles are involved? Is there a patent in the USA for the IPB HHT? Bob Cook Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: Jed Rothwell Sent: Thursday, January 5, 2017 1:29 PM To: Vortex Subject: [Vo]:Brillouin Energy press release See:

RE: [Vo]:The SunCell is a LENR system

http://lenr-canr.org/acrobat/LochakGlowenergyn.pdf This report addresses Higgins comment regarding the #1 issue. It would appear neutrons are not involved in the LENR reactions reported using Ti foils. See the discussion on page 7&8 of the report. Russ- That was a good find. Bob Cook

RE: [Vo]:The dark side of dense hydrogen

Higgins— If neutrons are involved in making fissile isotopes, I would imagine that it may be tough to keep the newly created fissile material from fissionning right after its creation. I can imagine metastable isomers having a role. Bob From: Bob Higgins Sent: Wednesday, January 4, 2017

RE: [Vo]:The dark side of dense hydrogen

I can guess a large coherent—QM entangled—system could host a large reaction throughout that system, but not beyond it boundaries. Beyond the initial coherent system would have to be other coherent systems which would require resonant conditions, possibly provided by the thermal pulse or

RE: [Vo]:ICIN-G

The concept of temperature is a classical physics concept as far as I know. This reflects my own brain dribbles. I try to avoid brain dribbles about zero-point energy being the result of Heisenberg’s brain dribbles spun as principle. Bob Cook From: Brian Ahern Sent: Wednesday, January

RE: [Vo]:ICIN-G

Stephen— Cold has to due with temperature. Thus, you must have a careful, precise definition of temperature to understand what you are asking. There is a lowest temperature called absolute zero. It refers to a hypothetical condition of a closed 3-D space system where there is no motion

RE: [Vo]:RE: Gaslighting

Axil-- Unless the Atomic Energy Act changes or is supplemented by a different act controlling LENR, regulation will be accomplished by the various states, consistent with new health and safety laws. Or LENR my come to be regulated by ordinances like electricity, plumbing and heating in a

RE: [Vo]:RE: Gaslighting

George Egely’s item on transmutation by dust fusion reported sulfur from oxygen maybe. See the current issue of Infinite Energy. A plasma is involved in the phenomena. Bob Cook From: Jones Beene Sent: Monday, January 2, 2017 7:16 AM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: [Vo]:RE: Gaslighting

RE: [Vo]:RE: Gaslighting

Axil— You sound like a fear monger. I don’t think the Sun Cell makes muons. Try heavy-heavy water (hydrino type water)or merely gastro intestinal blockage. That will get the attention of the old folks. Bob Cook Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: Jones Beene Sent: Monday, January 2, 2017

RE: [Vo]:RE: Gaslighting

Axil— It is more likely muon catalyzed fusion of two oxygen nuclei—the appearance of sulfur that is. Or it may be a low output Sun Cell with hydrino’s clouding the water and eventually settling out. Bob Cook Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: Axil Axil Sent: Sunday, January 1, 2017 10:21

RE: [Vo]:Re: Reason why there are no dead grad students...

Axil and Mark— I do not believe superconductivity as such is important in LENR. As you and others have suggested the importance of the generation of plasmons SPP’s with their intense local B magnetic fields is the key effect IMHO. The resonant coupling created by the varying B field at the

RE: [Vo]:Reason why there are no dead grad students...

Another interesting item from 2 years ago regarding NUCLEAR SPIN coupling in a small group of coherent atoms can be found here: http://phys.org/news/2014-08-evidence-symmetry-atoms.html I have long considered that the synchronization of electronic spin states with the nuclear states is

RE: [Vo]:Newtonian Gravity and General Relativity inside a spherical shell.

A related question regarding frequency shifts of photons is associated with the apparent changes associated with the expansion of space and the emission of photons from distant objects receding at a great velocity from a receptor/monitor on earth. The explanation I have heard is that it’s

RE: [Vo]:Is hydrinos dark matter?

The neutron decays as we all know….to 2/3 of a proton and a “W-“ which in, turn quickly changes to an electron, a full proton and a anti neutrino—Standard Theory--think. It’s the “W-“ that only exists virtually for 10e-27 seconds! That’s enough time to allow it to get away from the proton in

RE: [Vo]:Parkhomov presentation translated into English

Adrian-- IMHO the devil is in the DETAILS. Bob Cook From: Jed Rothwell Sent: Monday, December 5, 2016 8:14 PM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: [Vo]:Parkhomov presentation translated into English a.ashfield wrote: I find it strange that you didn't know there were 2

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