Re: [Vo]:George Miley up for ARPA-E funding

2013-02-09 Thread Rob Dingemans
Hi, On 9-2-2013 1:19, Edmund Storms wrote: On Feb 8, 2013, at 4:42 PM, Rob Dingemans wrote: I disagree, I think Andrea already did prove his claims. The problem is only that almost nobody seems to understand what is going on. So Rob, you think Andre has proven his claims in many minds. You

Re: [Vo]:George Miley up for ARPA-E funding

2013-02-09 Thread Edmund Storms
On Feb 9, 2013, at 3:58 AM, Rob Dingemans wrote: Hi, On 9-2-2013 1:19, Edmund Storms wrote: On Feb 8, 2013, at 4:42 PM, Rob Dingemans wrote: I disagree, I think Andrea already did prove his claims. The problem is only that almost nobody seems to understand what is going on. So Rob,

Re: [Vo]:George Miley up for ARPA-E funding

2013-02-09 Thread Jed Rothwell
Rob Dingemans manonbrid...@aim.com wrote: In my opinion is what Andrea has discovered to good to be true and therefore most people won't accept Andrea's findings, even when it bites them in their noses. I disagree. Many people would believe him without reservations if he would only do a

[Vo]:George Miley up for ARPA-E funding

2013-02-08 Thread Moab Moab
It seems LENUCO might be up to get funding from ARPA-E. Maybe. First he'll need enough votes. http://futureenergy.ultralightstartups.com/campaign/detail/861

Re: [Vo]:George Miley up for ARPA-E funding

2013-02-08 Thread Rob Dingemans
Hi, Thanks for the info, it can never be mentioned often enough :-) . Kind regards, Rob

Re: [Vo]:George Miley up for ARPA-E funding

2013-02-08 Thread Peter Gluck
George Miley tries the Way of Technology, excellent! Peter On Fri, Feb 8, 2013 at 1:14 PM, Rob Dingemans manonbrid...@aim.com wrote: Hi, Thanks for the info, it can never be mentioned often enough :-) . Kind regards, Rob -- Dr. Peter Gluck Cluj, Romania

Re: [Vo]:George Miley up for ARPA-E funding

2013-02-08 Thread Akira Shirakawa
On 2013-02-08 11:49, Moab Moab wrote: It seems LENUCO might be up to get funding from ARPA-E. Maybe. First he'll need enough votes. http://futureenergy.ultralightstartups.com/campaign/detail/861 It would have been in LENUCO's best interest to let people know about this in advance! What a

Re: [Vo]:George Miley up for ARPA-E funding

2013-02-08 Thread Moab Moab
Akira, the votes are coming in fairly quick now, just 4 hours ago the counter was at 18, now we're past 80. If anything this will show the LENR supporters across the internet forums what we are capable of. On Fri, Feb 8, 2013 at 4:03 PM, Akira Shirakawa shirakawa.ak...@gmail.comwrote: On

Re: [Vo]:George Miley up for ARPA-E funding

2013-02-08 Thread Jed Rothwell
You do not have to use Linked In for this vote. Enter you name at the bottom and the bot will send you an e-mail. As Akira said, it is a shame they did not publicize this earlier. - Jed

Re: [Vo]:George Miley up for ARPA-E funding

2013-02-08 Thread Terry Blanton
On Fri, Feb 8, 2013 at 5:49 AM, Moab Moab moab2...@googlemail.com wrote: It seems LENUCO might be up to get funding from ARPA-E. Maybe. First he'll need enough votes. http://futureenergy.ultralightstartups.com/campaign/detail/861 Funding is not conditional upon getting enough votes. It does,

Re: [Vo]:George Miley up for ARPA-E funding

2013-02-08 Thread James Bowery
OK, guys, what is #($*#$ is going on here? If Miley has what he claims to have -- a system that consistently produces power with no input power -- isn't it GAME OVER regarding Norman Ramsey's statement in the preamble of the DoE's cold fusion report that stated: Ordinarily, new scientific

Re: [Vo]:George Miley up for ARPA-E funding

2013-02-08 Thread Edmund Storms
Well said James. We have three other companies claiming to have commercial generators of power. Each of these claims is based on dubious demonstrations. What is the Miley claim based on? Can we expect his claim to be debated and examined in the way the Rossi claim has experienced? Just

Re: [Vo]:George Miley up for ARPA-E funding

2013-02-08 Thread Alain Sepeda
we are above 100 , at this speed it is victory... I've networked via linked-in, via office, via mail... the only needed number of vote is 380... 2013/2/8 Moab Moab moab2...@googlemail.com Akira, the votes are coming in fairly quick now, just 4 hours ago the counter was at 18, now we're past

Re: [Vo]:George Miley up for ARPA-E funding

2013-02-08 Thread Ruby
Hey Moab, thanks for the update. i'll post it up and let's get this guy some votes! Ruby On 2/8/13 2:49 AM, Moab Moab wrote: It seems LENUCO might be up to get funding from ARPA-E. Maybe. First he'll need enough votes. http://futureenergy.ultralightstartups.com/campaign/detail/861 --

Re: [Vo]:George Miley up for ARPA-E funding

2013-02-08 Thread Jed Rothwell
Edmund Storms stor...@ix.netcom.com wrote: We have three other companies claiming to have commercial generators of power. Each of these claims is based on dubious demonstrations. What is the Miley claim based on? Not even a dubious demonstration, as far as I know. No demonstration at all.

Re: [Vo]:George Miley up for ARPA-E funding

2013-02-08 Thread Edmund Storms
The sarcasm is appreciated, Jed. But seriously, are we in the field free to propose money be spent on any claim regardless of its reality? If so, how can anyone trust what we say about other claims or about the reality of LENR in general? May a spokesman for CF support any idea

Re: [Vo]:George Miley up for ARPA-E funding

2013-02-08 Thread Jed Rothwell
Edmund Storms stor...@ix.netcom.com wrote: The sarcasm is appreciated, Jed. I am glad someone recognizes it as such. But seriously, are we in the field free to propose money be spent on any claim regardless of its reality? If so, how can anyone trust what we say about other claims or about

Re: [Vo]:George Miley up for ARPA-E funding

2013-02-08 Thread Edmund Storms
Yes, by all means give George a chance to be heard. Nevertheless, I think that all proposals need to be treated with the same level of skepticism. Rossi, for example, is required to PROVE his claims, which he has not done in many minds. I suggest George needs to do the same before we in

Re: [Vo]:George Miley up for ARPA-E funding

2013-02-08 Thread James Bowery
Edmund, why not pitch your proposed research program so we can vote with a clear conscience? https://ultralight.wufoo.com/forms/future-energy-application-form/ On Fri, Feb 8, 2013 at 3:38 PM, Edmund Storms stor...@ix.netcom.com wrote: Yes, by all means give George a chance to be heard.

Re: [Vo]:George Miley up for ARPA-E funding

2013-02-08 Thread Edmund Storms
Good idea. However I think I have a better chance of getting support from private sources. My only concern is how the field presents its claims to the world. This submission is one of the ways. I think it is useless as a source of funding but it is going to be noticed. Many different

Re: [Vo]:George Miley up for ARPA-E funding

2013-02-08 Thread Jed Rothwell
Edmund Storms stor...@ix.netcom.com wrote: Yes, by all means give George a chance to be heard. Nevertheless, I think that all proposals need to be treated with the same level of skepticism. Rossi, for example, is required to PROVE his claims, which he has not done in many minds. If Rossi

Re: [Vo]:George Miley up for ARPA-E funding

2013-02-08 Thread Alain Sepeda
I feel those relative skepticism a bit strange and unjustified. If you read all the project they are mainstream but very risky/uncertain. The project of Miley is not interesting because of LENR... it is the less uncertain part, and if Miley cannot make his technology work he can ask DGT, Rossi,

Re: [Vo]:George Miley up for ARPA-E funding

2013-02-08 Thread Rob Dingemans
Hi, On 8-2-2013 22:38, Edmund Storms wrote: Yes, by all means give George a chance to be heard. Nevertheless, I think that all proposals need to be treated with the same level of skepticism. Rossi, for example, is required to PROVE his claims, which he has not done in many minds. I suggest

Re: [Vo]:George Miley up for ARPA-E funding

2013-02-08 Thread Edmund Storms
On Feb 8, 2013, at 4:42 PM, Rob Dingemans wrote: Hi, On 8-2-2013 22:38, Edmund Storms wrote: Yes, by all means give George a chance to be heard. Nevertheless, I think that all proposals need to be treated with the same level of skepticism. Rossi, for example, is required to PROVE his