On Jan 6, 2008, at 2:20 PM, Edmund Storms wrote:
Horace Heffner wrote:
snip
We can debate all day about what the arrangement of electrons
looks like and how they might in theory behave. Nevertheless,
if electrons can in fact gain the required 0.78 MeV from their
surroundings to
Let me try that one more time! As usual I made a slight error.
'
From the electric potential energy Pe for separating an electron and
proton we have:
'
Pe = k (-q)(q)(1/r) = -(2.88x10^-9 eV m) (1/r)
'
which we can rearrange to obtain r for a given potential energy,
'
r = (1.439965x10^-9
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From: Horace Heffner [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Tuesday, January 08, 2008 11:50 PM
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Re: Cold Fusion-Treated Palladium-Lithium-Boron Laser Fusion
Target Factory
Let me try that one more time! As usual I made a slight error
On Jan 8, 2008, at 3:01 PM, Michel Jullian wrote:
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From: Horace Heffner [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Tuesday, January 08, 2008 11:50 PM
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Re: Cold Fusion-Treated Palladium-Lithium-Boron
Laser Fusion Target Factory
Let me try
Horace Heffner wrote:
snip
We can debate all day about what the arrangement of electrons looks
like and how they might in theory behave. Nevertheless, if electrons
can in fact gain the required 0.78 MeV from their surroundings to
make a neutron, why is this process not detected?
On Jan 3, 2008, at 12:17 PM, Edmund Storms wrote:
Horace Heffner wrote:
Sorry for the delay in responding. Time seems to be in short
supply of late.
On Jan 2, 2008, at 8:00 AM, Edmund Storms wrote:
Jones, the Widom-Larsen theory is not only inconsistent with
normal physics but it is
Edmund Storms wrote:
Horace Heffner wrote:
Sorry for the delay in responding. Time seems to be in short supply
of late.
On Jan 2, 2008, at 8:00 AM, Edmund Storms wrote:
Jones, the Widom-Larsen theory is not only inconsistent with normal
physics but it is also inconsistent with what
On Jan 4, 2008, at 12:43 PM, Edmund Storms wrote:
Horace Heffner wrote:
On Jan 3, 2008, at 12:17 PM, Edmund Storms wrote:
Horace Heffner wrote:
Sorry for the delay in responding. Time seems to be in short
supply of late.
On Jan 2, 2008, at 8:00 AM, Edmund Storms wrote:
Jones,
On Jan 4, 2008, at 1:20 PM, thomas malloy wrote:
I was really impressed with the above paragraph.
Gamma is the greek letter that stands for the Lorentz factor in
special relativity. See:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special_relativity
and locate Lorentz factor.
gamma =
This CalTech Electric Field Applet can show how Protons or Deuterons
bombarding a
target lattice or gas with a Z up to +9 and the surrounding electrons can
come in close and
allow the Proton-Electron-Proton or Deuteron-Electron-Deuteron Cold or Hot
Fusion reactions to occur.
Unfortunately it's
For the adventurous Googling Lattice Vibrations, Diffusion, Applets
brings
up this Phonon Applet.
*http://dept.kent.edu/projects/ksuviz/leeviz/phonon/phonon.html*http://dept.kent.edu/projects/ksuviz/leeviz/phonon/phonon.html
This suggests that Cold Fusion-LENR-CANR experiments would be cheaper
Sorry Robin, I meant to type half-life. When I'm fasting, my mind has a
mind of its own. I'm now back on food so that, hopefully, I might make
more sense.
Regards,
Ed
Robin van Spaandonk wrote:
In reply to Edmund Storms's message of Wed, 02 Jan 2008 12:10:44 -0700:
Hi Ed,
[snip]
The dead
Sorry for the delay in responding. Time seems to be in short supply
of late.
On Jan 2, 2008, at 8:00 AM, Edmund Storms wrote:
Jones, the Widom-Larsen theory is not only inconsistent with normal
physics but it is also inconsistent with what has been observed in
cold fusion.
It makes
Horace Heffner wrote:
Sorry for the delay in responding. Time seems to be in short supply of
late.
On Jan 2, 2008, at 8:00 AM, Edmund Storms wrote:
Jones, the Widom-Larsen theory is not only inconsistent with normal
physics but it is also inconsistent with what has been observed in
Frederick Sparber wrote:
I see and appreciate your approach Ed, but being impatient after
almost two decades of waiting on those figuring out the mechanism
suggests trying a bigger hammer.
This gets back to the point I made during the discussion of Professor
Susslick's comments. Induced
Here is my take on the crux of the debate about neutrons in LENR:
Alan Widom and Lewis Larsen proposed a theory several years ago, which
since that time has evolved into a rather logical and insightful
explanation for many (but not all, by any means) of the 18 years of
experimental results
Jones, the Widom-Larsen theory is not only inconsistent with normal
physics but it is also inconsistent with what has been observed in cold
fusion.
It makes the following unsupported assumptions:
1. Energy can be transferred to an electron from a low energy
environment causing the mass of
--- Ed,
The isotopic distribution agrees with the
distribution reported by Miley. The claimed agreement
is poor at best.
This could be a very important point to clarify, due
to the reputation of Miley.
Are you certain that Miley considers the agreement as
poor at best ? I was under the
Jones,
I have no idea what Miley believes. Take a look at the Larsen paper
where they make a comparison to a selected set of the Miley work and
tell me what you think. The fit is even less good to other data sets.
The logic of the fit is even flawed. When a neutron is added to an
element,
In reply to Edmund Storms's message of Wed, 02 Jan 2008 12:10:44 -0700:
Hi Ed,
[snip]
The dead times of the elements involved in this process
are well known and do not permit the claimed distribution to form no
matter how many neutrons are available.
Could you please explain what dead times
The Cold Fusion heat source in this Java Applet, Ed?
**
*Role of inelasticity in granular medium:*
**
*The theory is from Y. Du, H. Li, and L.P. Kadanoff Phys. Rev. Lett. (1995).
*
**
*
http://www.haverford.edu/astronomy/Gollub/vib_granular/inelastic/inelastic.html
Ed Storms wrote.
*It depends on what you mean by relationship.*
Ed
*Radiation Produced By Glow Dioscharge in Deuterium*
*http://lenr-canr.org/acrobat/StormsEradiationp.pdf*http://lenr-canr.org/acrobat/StormsEradiationp.pdf
To me this experiment suggests a vital relationship between loading
Just the Ticket for a Farnsworth Fusor design?
On Dec 31, 2007 5:29 AM, Frederick Sparber [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Ed Storms wrote.
*It depends on what you mean by relationship.*
Ed
*Radiation Produced By Glow Dioscharge in Deuterium*
Fred,
Hot fusion initiates the neutron producing path, cold fusion does not.
This is the basic difference based an observation. The glow discharge
does not produce neutrons. In addition, the voltages are too low to
produce a hot fusion reaction. As for heat production, the glow
discharge
Ed,
I'm not a mind-reader, but I think that what Fred (and other assorted
non-skeptics tuned-in to Vo) really want to know is this:
Does LENR glow discharge benefit significantly from boron content in the
electrode?
If it does, then many of us would (at least partly) disagree with your
I see and appreciate your approach Ed, but being impatient after almost two
decades of waiting on those figuring out the mechanism suggests trying a
bigger hammer.
From your results of getting the same radiation by bombarding Copper or
Silver as well as Pd and Pd-Pt with deuterons in the glow
Jones Beene wrote:
Ed,
I'm not a mind-reader, but I think that what Fred (and other assorted
non-skeptics tuned-in to Vo) really want to know is this:
Does LENR glow discharge benefit significantly from boron content in the
electrode?
No, boron has no effect.
If it does, then many of
Here is a message from Ed Storms, not me.
Ed sent me this yesterday, but he meant to send it to Vortex. I use
the Mindspring on-line mail server at times, and that causes people
to accidentally send Vortex responses to me directly. I do not see
any options for the on-line program to fix that
Edmund Storms wrote:
Does LENR glow discharge benefit significantly from boron content in
the electrode?
No, boron has no effect.
Well, that answers the question then.
Many observers had hoped that Miles' work with boron and his reported
100% reproducibility was accurate. Apparently not.
Jones Beene wrote:
Many observers had hoped that Miles' work with boron and his
reported 100% reproducibility was accurate. Apparently not.
I am sure it was accurate. Miles is a very reliable source. However,
the boron made not have played a role in the nuclear reaction.
Perhaps it only
Jed Rothwell wrote:
I am sure it was accurate. Miles is a very reliable source. However, the
boron made not have played a role in the nuclear reaction. Perhaps it
only helped the electrochemistry.
Nonsense!
First off, boron is contra-indicated for electrochemisty.
No question whatever
Jones Beene wrote:
Perhaps it only helped the electrochemistry.
Nonsense!
First off, boron is contra-indicated for electrochemisty.
As I recall, Miles and Imam told me it strengthens the cathode, the
way silver does.
These people are not fools, and their claims are not nonsense. I am
Jed Rothwell wrote:
As I recall, Miles and Imam told me it strengthens the cathode, the way
silver does.
These people are not fools, and their claims are not nonsense.
No, it is your claim which is nonsense, not theirs !
I am sure they have a good reason for using boron, and I am sure
Jones Beene wrote:
Precisely the point why they would never use boron unless it were
active in the nuclear sense.
As I said, I recall they said it helps stiffen the alloy. It inhibits
high loading, but it also prevents deloading. Quote:
The addition of boron to palladium does not affect
Hi Jones,
Here is some background information.
Boron is used to remove oxygen from palladium, which makes the palladium
brittle. Addition of boron was done to prevent cracking, which I showed
prevents the required high composition from being achieved.
Miles used a Pb-B alloy to measure the
Edmund Storms wrote:
As for the Pd-B, I attempted to get heat both from a sample supplied
by Miles and by a fresh sample supplied by NRL, and failed both times.
I was going to mention that, and I am glad Ed brought it up. Clearly,
the Pd-B alloy is helpful in some cases, but not sufficient.
Ed,
Boron is deposited on the Pd surface in every P-F cell as the Pyrex
dissolves. Nevertheless, no radioactivity is detected and heat is seldom
produced. As for the Pd-B, I attempted to get heat both from a sample
supplied by Miles and by a fresh sample supplied by NRL, and failed both
On Dec 31, 2007 2:10 PM, Jed Rothwell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Here is a message from Ed Storms, not me.
Ed sent me this yesterday, but he meant to send it to Vortex. I use
the Mindspring on-line mail server at times, and that causes people
to accidentally send Vortex responses to me
Jones Beene wrote:
Ed,
Boron is deposited on the Pd surface in every P-F cell as the Pyrex
dissolves. Nevertheless, no radioactivity is detected and heat is
seldom produced. As for the Pd-B, I attempted to get heat both from a
sample supplied by Miles and by a fresh sample supplied by
You wrote:
It's a function of your email program. You need to find the reply
to line and delete your email address and leave it blank.
This is the on-line Webmail program from Mindsprings, not my regular e-mail
program. It does not seem to have any options, or I can't find 'em.
I should
Frederick Sparber wrote:
IOW, Is Cold Fusion-Deuteration Target Factory, the required preliminary
step for attaining Hot Fusion?
I have no idea, and I do not understand the technical issues in this case, but
I have long had an intuitive feeling that hot fusion and cold fusion must be
the same
Jed,
It depends on what you mean by relationship. Both hot and cold fusion
produce the same end products, but in different ratios. The reactions in
each case involve the fusion of deuterium. However, the two process are
completely different in the mechanism that allows the fusion to occur.
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