Re: [Vo]:A simple method for extremely accurate enthalpy measurement

On Sep 1, 2011, at 5:53 PM, Jed Rothwell wrote: Horace Heffner wrote: I don't see your point. I used to do this test with a hose producing 75 kW at Hydrodynamics Inc. It worked fine. The results were close to the expected amount from that heater. If that was a Griggs device I wonder if

Re: [Vo]:A simple method for extremely accurate enthalpy measurement

2011/9/2 Jed Rothwell : > Horace Heffner wrote: >> >> This test shows your true colors.  It indicates that you actually expect >> the steam power to be on the order of 100 watts, not 10,000 watts or even >> 1,000 watts.  If you put a wand issuing 10,000 watts steam power into the >> bucket you wil

Re: [Vo]:A simple method for extremely accurate enthalpy measurement

Horace Heffner wrote: > I don't see your point. I used to do this test with a hose producing 75 kW > at Hydrodynamics Inc. It worked fine. The results were close to the expected > amount from that heater. > > > If that was a Griggs device I wonder if your memory might be failing you, > like mine

Re: [Vo]:A simple method for extremely accurate enthalpy measurement

On Sep 1, 2011, at 3:39 PM, Jed Rothwell wrote: I don't see your point. I used to do this test with a hose producing 75 kW at Hydrodynamics Inc. It worked fine. The results were close to the expected amount from that heater. If that was a Griggs device I wonder if your memory might be fa

Re: [Vo]:A simple method for extremely accurate enthalpy measurement

On Sep 1, 2011, at 3:39 PM, Jed Rothwell wrote: Horace Heffner wrote: This test shows your true colors. It indicates that you actually expect the steam power to be on the order of 100 watts, not 10,000 watts or even 1,000 watts. If you put a wand issuing 10,000 watts steam power into

Re: [Vo]:A simple method for extremely accurate enthalpy measurement

Horace Heffner wrote: This test shows your true colors. It indicates that you actually expect the > steam power to be on the order of 100 watts, not 10,000 watts or even 1,000 > watts. If you put a wand issuing 10,000 watts steam power into the bucket > you will get a notion of what I mean. >

Re: [Vo]:A simple method for extremely accurate enthalpy measurement

On Thu, Sep 1, 2011 at 7:10 PM, Horace Heffner wrote: > I take it this kind of discussion is all academic now NASA is involved. Assuming they *are* involved. I have a friend in Huntsville who is checking this out. She is quite connected. T

Re: [Vo]:A simple method for extremely accurate enthalpy measurement

On Sep 1, 2011, at 8:01 AM, Jouni Valkonen wrote: Hallo! I made simple steam sparging experiment by measuring the steam quality and enthalpy of my Espresso machine's steam wand (for making capuchino). – 200ml cool water (11°C) was measured into tea cup. – Steam was sparged into mug for 32 sec

Re: [Vo]:A simple method for extremely accurate enthalpy measurement

Am 01.09.2011 20:12, schrieb Jed Rothwell: Jouni Valkonen > wrote: Horace wrote: «I would note that steam sparging can have large errors due to steam escaping, due to variability in measuring the temperature decline curve, due to variations in the calo

Re: [Vo]:A simple method for extremely accurate enthalpy measurement

Jouni Valkonen wrote: > Horace wrote: «I would note that steam sparging can have large errors due > to steam escaping, due to variability in measuring the temperature decline > curve, due to variations in the calorimetry constant with temperature, and > due to imperfect stirring techniques.» >

Re: [Vo]:A simple method for extremely accurate enthalpy measurement

Hallo! I made simple steam sparging experiment by measuring the steam quality and enthalpy of my Espresso machine's steam wand (for making capuchino). – 200ml cool water (11°C) was measured into tea cup. – Steam was sparged into mug for 32 seconds and there was not observed splattering or escapin

Re: [Vo]:A simple method for extremely accurate enthalpy measurement

Originally posted by Angela Kemmler: > The Licence and Technology Transfer Agreement (The LTTA) contains a mile > stone payment arrangement. According to said arrangement, DGT's release of > the first payment to EFA is pending on that EFA meet several technical > requirements. As anticipated in t

Re: [Vo]:A simple method for extremely accurate enthalpy measurement

On Sun, Aug 21, 2011 at 4:43 PM, Horace Heffner wrote: > I guess I am merely reviewing information with which others are most > familiar.  I have been unable to read posts for a number of weeks, so am > catching up here. Nothing wrong with your mental processes, Horace. Still sharp as an obsidi

Re: [Vo]:A simple method for extremely accurate enthalpy measurement

On Aug 21, 2011, at 10:09 AM, Terry Blanton wrote: On Sun, Aug 21, 2011 at 1:39 PM, Horace Heffner wrote: OK, maybe you are right about the precise phrase "did not pay", though I feel I have read that phrase in this regard somewhere. I think the issue stems from this thread: http://ww

Re: [Vo]:A simple method for extremely accurate enthalpy measurement

and if "financial" means "some other guys have promised me to pay more than you" ? On Sun, Aug 21, 2011 at 9:09 PM, Terry Blanton wrote: > On Sun, Aug 21, 2011 at 1:39 PM, Horace Heffner > wrote: > > > OK, maybe you are right about the precise phrase "did not pay", though I > > feel I have read

Re: [Vo]:A simple method for extremely accurate enthalpy measurement

On Sun, Aug 21, 2011 at 1:39 PM, Horace Heffner wrote: > OK, maybe you are right about the precise phrase "did not pay", though I > feel I have read that phrase in this regard somewhere. I think the issue stems from this thread: http://www.mail-archive.com/vortex-l@eskimo.com/msg50332.html I t

Re: [Vo]:A simple method for extremely accurate enthalpy measurement

On Aug 21, 2011, at 6:46 AM, Jed Rothwell wrote: Horace Heffner wrote: If the results indeed were obtained and were positive and useful it is strange that Defkalion did not pay up according to its contract. Rossi said repeatedly that he will only be paid after he delivers the 1 MW react

Re: [Vo]:A simple method for extremely accurate enthalpy measurement

On Sun, Aug 21, 2011 at 10:27 AM, Jones Beene wrote: > ethics can take a back seat to > capitalism Capitalism always trumps ethics. Ask the Donald. T

Re: [Vo]:A simple method for extremely accurate enthalpy measurement

Horace Heffner wrote: > If the results indeed were obtained and were positive and useful it is > strange that Defkalion did not pay up according to its contract. > Rossi said repeatedly that he will only be paid after he delivers the 1 MW reactor. He has not delivered it, so Defkalion does not

RE: [Vo]:A simple method for extremely accurate enthalpy measurement

Someone (Jed or Horace?) wrote: * If the results indeed were obtained and were positive and useful it is strange that Defkalion did not pay up according to its contract. It would not surprise me that positive results could be exactly *why* they did not pay up ! DGT is facing the pros

Re: [Vo]:A simple method for extremely accurate enthalpy measurement

On Aug 20, 2011, at 4:46 PM, Jed Rothwell wrote: Horace Heffner wrote: It is you who does not "get it". Investing in a free energy scheme which supposedly produces "excess" or "free" heat is not sensible without expert independent calorimetry being applied which determines a total ener

Re: [Vo]:A simple method for extremely accurate enthalpy measurement

Jouni Valkonen wrote: > I stumbled upon in the internet a very simple method for doing > extremely accurate (up to two or three significant digits, depending > on insulation) calorimetric analysis for any water boiler. Method is > simple and all measurements are accurate: > > – Just weight 5 kg

Re: [Vo]:A simple method for extremely accurate enthalpy measurement

Horace Heffner wrote: > It is you who does not "get it". Investing in a free energy scheme which > supposedly produces "excess" or "free" heat is not sensible without expert > independent calorimetry being applied which determines a total energy > balance for critical demonstration tests. It i

Re: [Vo]:A simple method for extremely accurate enthalpy measurement

On Aug 19, 2011, at 5:11 PM, Jouni Valkonen wrote: No worry, if there is any invested money into E-Cat and it is a fraud, then any investor may request full monetary compensation with interest. Investors are carefully protected by law and any misleading information (that can be shown as such in

Re: [Vo]:A simple method for extremely accurate enthalpy measurement

Ad hominem, personal attack, is a logical fallacy, and a sure sign of a lost argument, essentially a capitulation. It is even worse than an appeal to authority in lieu of argument based on facts when such is available. On Aug 19, 2011, at 12:42 PM, Jouni Valkonen wrote: 2011/8/19 Horace

Re: [Vo]:A simple method for extremely accurate enthalpy measurement

On Fri, Aug 19, 2011 at 6:11 PM, Mark Iverson-ZeroPoint wrote: > He may not have a white lab coat, but he probably has a straight jacket or > two lying around!  :-) For formal wear. T

RE: [Vo]:A simple method for extremely accurate enthalpy measurement

He may not have a white lab coat, but he probably has a straight jacket or two lying around! :-) -M -Original Message- From: Terry Blanton [mailto:hohlr...@gmail.com] Sent: Friday, August 19, 2011 1:32 PM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: [Vo]:A simple method for extremely accurate

Re: [Vo]:A simple method for extremely accurate enthalpy measurement

On Fri, Aug 19, 2011 at 4:25 PM, Jouni Valkonen wrote: > Susan, I am sure that Jed Rothwell is one of the VVHL-scientist, who > will be present at 1MW demonstration. I don't think Jed even owns a white lab coat. T

Re: [Vo]:A simple method for extremely accurate enthalpy measurement

Susan, I am sure that Jed Rothwell is one of the VVHL-scientist, who will be present at 1MW demonstration. Rossi also promised that single self-sustaining E-Cat module is tested, for accurate calorimetric analysis. –Jouni 2011/8/19 Susan Gipp : > Can you try to pass along this info to Dr. Rossi

Re: [Vo]:A simple method for extremely accurate enthalpy measurement

*Serious LENR research* is that made by Piantelli and this stays irrespective from Rossi's results. Rossi's idea to make a perfect experiment with 330 combined E cats instead of 3, 33, 330 perfect experiments with individual E-cats is kind of techno-fiction (to use an euphemism) Peter On Fri, Aug

Re: [Vo]:A simple method for extremely accurate enthalpy measurement

I still think ice calorimetry I suggested last January is a better idea, because it is based on first principles, is very accurate, and can be used throughout an experiment to achieve the very essential *total energy balance*, vs just a snapshot power measurement, which can be very deceivin

Re: [Vo]:A simple method for extremely accurate enthalpy measurement

DearJouni, Your method was already suggested by Jed and other colleagues- it is the batch method. I have suggested a continuous one:see please http://egooutpeters.blogspot.com/2011/05/call-for-perfect-e-cat-experiment.html I have sent it both to Rossi and Levi who have ignored it-they don't want

Re: [Vo]:A simple method for extremely accurate enthalpy measurement

Can you try to pass along this info to Dr. Rossi and/or one of the V.V.H.L. (very very high level) scientist that are going to test the One Megawatt Huge Cat ? 2011/8/19 Jouni Valkonen > Hallo, > > I stumbled upon in the internet a very simple method for doing > extremely accurate (up to two or