On Mon, Jan 16, 2012 at 7:44 AM, Aussie Guy E-Cat
aussieguy.e...@gmail.com wrote:
http://www.journal-of-nuclear-physics.com/?p=510cpage=42#comment-170607
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Andrea Rossi
January 16th, 2012 at 7:09 AM
http://www.journal-of-nuclear-physics.com/?p=510cpage=42#comment-170607
Dear
Isn't that 1st costomer that is helping him build the small e-cats? I
remember that by the end of last december, Rossi said he had a great
breakthrough due to the collaboration with the customer.
2012/1/16 Terry Blanton hohlr...@gmail.com
On Mon, Jan 16, 2012 at 7:44 AM, Aussie Guy E-Cat
-Original Message-
From: Terry Blanton
Another rumorist has written somewhere that our Customer has given
us back the 1 MW E-Cat: this is another stupidity, totally false.
Warm Regards,
A.R.
Rossi sometimes plays word games. Jones did not claim that it was
given back.
Jones Beene wrote:
But even if he can do this with better controls, and proves himself to be
close to the great inventor he imagines himself to be, he is still a liar.
Many great inventors were accomplished liars. See Edison's quote about
batteries: When a man gets on to accumulators
By the way, this quiescence problem does not exist as far as I know.
Reliable people have observed Rossi's devices run continuously for days,
and the one at the factory did run for months, as claimed.
Rossi gives the appearance of lying more than he actually lies. He has
difficulty telling
-Original Message-
From: Jed Rothwell
Rossi gives the appearance of lying more than he actually lies.
LOL ! That is about the lamest defense of AR I have heard. Hilarious really,
this makes my day.
He has difficulty telling the truth in a way that does not make it look
like a lie.
I've limited my skeptical Rossi criticisms awaiting a new test or any sort of
verifiable information.
I commend maryyugo for pulling back (a bit) on her repeated arm waving of
proof and independent testing, when no new information has been revealed.
But, I agree with her that some of the
On Mon, Jan 16, 2012 at 11:02 AM, Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net wrote:
Rossi sometimes plays word games. Jones did not claim that it was
given back. His comment is more like it was returned for repairs.
That is correct. Not only that, Rossi has all the characteristics of a
pathological
Ok. Yes it is true that DGT chose their name before Rossi failed the test,
as I have been reminded just now.
From previous post: When Rossi could not pass that test... [DGT] were all
smiles. It probably has something to do with why they chose the name
Defkalion.
For those who are not aware:
On Mon, Jan 16, 2012 at 8:40 AM, Craig Haynie cchayniepub...@gmail.com
wrote:
On Mon, Jan 16, 2012 at 11:02 AM, Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net wrote:
Rossi sometimes plays word games. Jones did not claim that it was
given back. His comment is more like it was returned for repairs.
On Mon, Jan 16, 2012 at 12:56 PM, Mary Yugo maryyu...@gmail.com wrote:
It's not so much proven lies as it is constant inconsistencies, vagueness,
tangential answers to obviously relevant and harmless questions, spouting
off about snakes and clowns, and general avoidance of credible answers.
From: Mary Yugo
It's not so much proven lies as it is constant inconsistencies, vagueness,
tangential answers to obviously relevant and harmless questions, spouting
off about snakes and clowns, and general avoidance of credible answers.
Well, Mary - inconsistencies may be what it is about
On Mon, Jan 16, 2012 at 1:22 PM, Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net wrote:
Are you saying his denial of culpability in the sordid Petrodragon affair is
not a big lie? Or the money laundering - or the claim that he did not know
that he had a “mail order” degree? Or the many lies about the TEG
Good grief. What is it with the Windom-Larson crowd? I mean while I'm
skeptical that anyone has the theory to explain any of this yet, I will
admit that Windom-Larson may be right. But still, why the religious wars?
What's wrong with these people?
On Mon, Jan 16, 2012 at 10:02 AM, Jones Beene
Having said all that - let me be clear that good evidence still indicates
Rossi has invented a robust energy anomaly.
That is where myself and Yugo part company. She believes that the dishonesty
extends to everything, but that is wrong. At the bottom of it all, there is
enough proof from other
Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net wrote:
LOL ! That is about the lamest defense of AR I have heard. Hilarious
really,
this makes my day.
I am not defending him. I am describing him.
He has difficulty telling the truth in a way that does not make it look
like a lie.
Now why would that
On Mon, Jan 16, 2012 at 10:22 AM, Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net wrote:
*From:* Mary Yugo
It's not so much proven lies as it is constant inconsistencies,
vagueness, tangential answers to obviously relevant and harmless questions,
spouting off about snakes and clowns, and general
On Mon, Jan 16, 2012 at 10:47 AM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.comwrote:
And, as to the factory being heated continuously, this is still only
his word for it, or visitors who saw it running when they were there
on occasion.
I have heard from reliable people who observed it operate
Robert Leguillon robert.leguil...@hotmail.com wrote:
But, I agree with her that some of the fanbois need to pull back a little,
too. This is one of the funniest things I've seen posted in a while:
Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2012 11:13:54 -0500
From: jedrothw...@gmail.com
**
*Rossi gives the
Craig - Did you catch Rossi's interview Friday?
He said straight out: we are in mass production in Miami.
Problem is, efforts have been ongoing for some time to locate any factory
with the proper permits from OSHA or other agencies, anywhere in Florida -
and there are none that come up. You
On Mon, Jan 16, 2012 at 10:59 AM, Mary Yugo maryyu...@gmail.com wrote:
Also see my questions to Defkalion and the COMPLETELY NONRESPONSIVE
EVASIVE REPLY here:
http://www.defkalion-energy.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=23t=865p=5389#p5389
LOL. I got this response from Defkalion:
You have been
He has always said that there are gamma rays. He shields them with
lead. There are no gamma rays leaving the device. This is all
consistent.
Actually no. It is impossible. You can't shield gamma rays completely. You
could shield them enough to be so few that they would be undetectable. But if
Yamali is exactly right.
You simply CANNOT shield this kind of gamma radiation well with lead. Some
always escapes.
There is essentially ZERO chance of selling this kind of reactor in the USA
without NRC permit.
EEC would be similar.
From: Yamali Yamali
He has
Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net wrote:
You simply CANNOT shield this kind of gamma radiation well with lead. Some
always escapes.
That is what experts in radiation say.
Actually, you could stop them with enough lead. I believe it takes ~10 cm.
If you had 1 m there would be no measurable
Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net wrote:
Hey look, you may want Rossi the man to be real, instead of just the
technology - but please do not be so gullible as to overlook a mountain of
contrary evidence.
What does this mean? How could he be fake, and yet the technology is real?
Are you
On Mon, Jan 16, 2012 at 12:58 PM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.comwrote:
I cannot understand why Rossi's personality, his problems,
and alleged problems are an issue here in this forum. Why do you -- Jones
-- have such difficulty separating the person from the claim!?? Why do you
have this
That depends on how many gamma rays you're dealing with. Its just stochastics.
A certain fraction will allways get through. All the shielding does is to
reduce the likelihood for each one. So even 1 m solid lead won't reduce
radiation to unmeasurable levels if there's enough of it inside.
On Mon, Jan 16, 2012 at 3:58 PM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote:
As far as I know, Rossi he discovered this method of doing cold fusion.
I would urge everyone to go back and take a look at an earlier thread:
http://www.mail-archive.com/vortex-l@eskimo.com/msg60606.html
Which shows
Defective analogy. The cars for sale are real and functional, aren't they?
Even if the business is dishonest.
From: Mary Yugo [mailto:maryyu...@gmail.com]
Sent: Monday, January 16, 2012 4:09 PM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Rossi comments
Yamali Yamali yamaliyam...@yahoo.de wrote:
All the shielding does is to reduce the likelihood for each one. So even 1
m solid lead won't reduce radiation to unmeasurable levels if there's
enough of it inside.
I meant the most you can get with a 10 kW hot fusion reaction. A few might
get
On 12-01-16 04:15 PM, Terry Blanton wrote:
On Mon, Jan 16, 2012 at 3:58 PM, Jed Rothwelljedrothw...@gmail.com wrote:
As far as I know, Rossi he discovered this method of doing cold fusion.
I would urge everyone to go back and take a look at an earlier thread:
Terry Blanton hohlr...@gmail.com wrote:
As far as I know, Rossi he discovered this method of doing cold fusion.
I would urge everyone to go back and take a look at an earlier thread:
http://www.mail-archive.com/vortex-l@eskimo.com/msg60606.html
Which shows that 1 g atomic hydrogen can
On Mon, Jan 16, 2012 at 1:17 PM, Zell, Chris chrisz...@wetmtv.com wrote:
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Defective analogy. The cars for sale are real and functional, aren't
they? Even if the business is dishonest.
Sorry, I miss your point. I was noting that Jed would likely not buy from
someone convicted multiple
On Mon, Jan 16, 2012 at 1:28 PM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote:
1. Tests on his device. Despite the handwaving and nonsense published here
by Yugo and others, these tests are irrefutable. There is not slightest
chance of fraud.
I refuse to rehash that with you. If you believe
The calculation in the link below appears to be in large error because the
conversion from kWH to MeV is wrong by 1E19 (1 kWH = 2.25E19 MeV). What I
get is that the association energy of 1g of H to 1g of H2 would be 60 wH
(0.06 kWH), which would be way lower than the magnitude of energy reported
On Mon, Jan 16, 2012 at 4:30 PM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote:
Terry Blanton hohlr...@gmail.com wrote:
As far as I know, Rossi he discovered this method of doing cold fusion.
I would urge everyone to go back and take a look at an earlier thread:
this Rossi stuff.
From: Mary Yugo [mailto:maryyu...@gmail.com]
Sent: Monday, January 16, 2012 4:34 PM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Rossi comments on the It was sent back statement
On Mon, Jan 16, 2012 at 1:17 PM, Zell, Chris
chrisz
On Mon, Jan 16, 2012 at 4:25 PM, Stephen A. Lawrence sa...@pobox.com wrote:
Say what? Where's all that atomic hydrogen coming from?
Are we back to splitting molecules using ZPE, or is there some other energy
source breaking the bond?
Geeze, Stephen, don't you pay attention? Molecular
On Mon, Jan 16, 2012 at 4:49 PM, Bob Higgins rj.bob.higg...@gmail.com wrote:
The calculation in the link below appears to be in large error because the
conversion from kWH to MeV is wrong by 1E19 (1 kWH = 2.25E19 MeV). What I
get is that the association energy of 1g of H to 1g of H2 would be
On 12-01-16 04:55 PM, Terry Blanton wrote:
On Mon, Jan 16, 2012 at 4:25 PM, Stephen A. Lawrencesa...@pobox.com wrote:
Say what? Where's all that atomic hydrogen coming from?
Are we back to splitting molecules using ZPE, or is there some other energy
source breaking the bond?
Geeze,
Edison was a greedy liar and cheat who was cruel to animals. Schrodinger was a
bigamist. MLK and possibly Einstein were plagiarists. Werner Von Braun was a
Nazi and may have held rank in the SS. Tesla was a OCD-laden nutball.
I'm not sure I'd buy a used car from any of them. OTOH, I still
Zell, Chris chrisz...@wetmtv.com wrote:
Edison was a greedy liar and cheat who was cruel to animals. Schrodinger
was a bigamist. MLK and possibly Einstein were plagiarists. Werner Von
Braun was a Nazi and may have held rank in the SS. Tesla was a OCD-laden
nutball.
I'm not sure I'd buy a
Jones,
So you are OK with DFG taking Rossi's invention and in effect stealing
it from him? You do admit it worked. But not for long enough. So what?
IT WORKED. What part of IT WORKED don't you understand?
And now your saying DFG will eat the lunch Rossi prepared and you think
they are OK in
On Mon, Jan 16, 2012 at 2:11 PM, Zell, Chris chrisz...@wetmtv.com wrote:
Edison was a greedy liar and cheat who was cruel to animals. Schrodinger
was a bigamist. MLK and possibly Einstein were plagiarists. Werner Von
Braun was a Nazi and may have held rank in the SS. Tesla was a OCD-laden
On 12-01-16 05:11 PM, Zell, Chris wrote:
Edison was a greedy liar and cheat who was cruel to animals. Schrodinger was a
bigamist. MLK and possibly Einstein were plagiarists.
I've read Poincare's papers Einstein supposedly plagiarized.
In a word ... he didn't. Poincare had a lot of the
On Mon, Jan 16, 2012 at 2:23 PM, Aussie Guy E-Cat
aussieguy.e...@gmail.comwrote:
Jones,
So you are OK with DFG taking Rossi's invention and in effect stealing it
from him? You do admit it worked.
How can we possibly know that anything from Defkalion ever worked? They've
never shown any
His name was Thales of Miletus. g
Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2012 17:25:53 -0500
From: sa...@pobox.com
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Rossi comments on the It was sent back statement
On 12-01-16 05:11 PM, Zell, Chris wrote:
Edison was a greedy liar and cheat who was cruel
Mary,
My statement was directed to Beene and not you. It was based on that of
Beene, who claimed Rossi's reactor WORKED during the DFG tests but not
for the required 48 hours.
My statement to you is:
So was Beene lying about the IT WORKED statement? If so then he may
also be lying about the
nowhere. but don't be naive about risk
From: Mary Yugo [mailto:maryyu...@gmail.com]
Sent: Monday, January 16, 2012 5:24 PM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Rossi comments on the It was sent back statement
On Mon, Jan 16, 2012 at 2:11 PM, Zell, Chris
On Mon, Jan 16, 2012 at 3:02 PM, Zell, Chris chrisz...@wetmtv.com wrote:
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Testing without cost or risk? Not in any way that I would risk, if I was
him.
What is the risk beyond any risk Rossi already assumed when he did some 8
or 10 public demonstrations already? And he still gives
Yes AG I am completely OK with DGT's strategy because essentially Thermacore
invented the device, Mills explained some of it, Rossi improved it but
failed to get a usable patent for what he added. Rossi wrote the contract
and could have claimed the benefits but only if he could deliver what the
On Mon, Jan 16, 2012 at 2:37 PM, Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net wrote:
Craig - Did you catch Rossi's interview Friday?
He said straight out: we are in mass production in Miami.
I thought he said 'Florida', but it doesn't matter. When I heard this,
my initial thought was that he is planning
Bob,
An error you seem to be making, leading to your conclusion of way lower
than the magnitude of energy reported by Rossi is an underlying assumption.
You assume a symmetrical, chemical, or one-way reaction. What is not being
factored into the equation, nor do we know, is the most
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