Re: [Vo]:Wind energy breakthrough

2009-05-05 Thread mixent
In reply to grok's message of Mon, 4 May 2009 20:55:19 -0700: Hi, [snip] I know nothing about your reactor, Robin. If you feel like describing it here, I wouldn't mind following along. But remember: I'm no rocket scientist, like youse all. [snip] I'm no rocket scientist either. My reactor would

Re: [Vo]:Wind energy breakthrough

2009-05-05 Thread grok
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 As the smoke cleared, mix...@bigpond.com mix...@bigpond.com mounted the barricade and roared out: I know nothing about your reactor, Robin. If you feel like describing it here, I wouldn't mind following along. But remember: I'm no rocket

Re: [Vo]:Wind energy breakthrough

2009-05-05 Thread Mike Carrell
utilities which generate a lot of CO2, Mike Carrell -- - Original Message - From: grok g...@resist.ca To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Monday, May 04, 2009 10:05 PM Subject: Re: [Vo]:Wind energy breakthrough -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1

Re: [Vo]:Wind energy breakthrough

2009-05-05 Thread mixent
In reply to grok's message of Tue, 5 May 2009 00:58:45 -0700: Hi, [snip] I'm no rocket scientist either. My reactor would either use deuterium or hydrogen, according to the reactions previously described here:- D + D - He4 (with luck), otherwise D + D - T + P

Re: [Vo]:Wind energy breakthrough

2009-05-04 Thread Mike Carrell
- MC: see comments thus set apart. Mike Carrell - Original Message - From: mix...@bigpond.com To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Monday, May 04, 2009 12:04 AM Subject: Re: [Vo]:Wind energy breakthrough In reply to Mike Carrell's message of Sun, 3 May 2009 20:23

Re: [Vo]:Wind energy breakthrough

2009-05-04 Thread grok
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 As the smoke cleared, mix...@bigpond.com mix...@bigpond.com mounted the barricade and roared out: Which is exactly why there are immediate gains for a world-wide energy grid: there are no 'off-peak' hours, there. It's always 'High Noon'

Re: [Vo]:Wind energy breakthrough

2009-05-04 Thread grok
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 As the smoke cleared, Terry Blanton hohlr...@gmail.com mounted the barricade and roared out: On Sun, May 3, 2009 at 5:22 PM, grok g...@resist.ca wrote: Surely there must be a simple teknology in the pipeline which will allow the storage of

Re: [Vo]:Wind energy breakthrough

2009-05-04 Thread grok
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 As the smoke cleared, mix...@bigpond.com mix...@bigpond.com mounted the barricade and roared out: One might expect any chemical battery to have a cost in the same ballpark as lead-acid batteries, and molten salt has the potential to be far

Re: [Vo]:Wind energy breakthrough

2009-05-04 Thread grok
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 As the smoke cleared, Mike Carrell mi...@medleas.com mounted the barricade and roared out: My comment was in part to remind everyone of BLP technology. The 100 x gain in energy yield from H is real and demonstrated years ago. The potential COP

Re: [Vo]:Wind energy breakthrough

2009-05-04 Thread grok
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 As the smoke cleared, mix...@bigpond.com mix...@bigpond.com mounted the barricade and roared out: My comment was in part to remind everyone of BLP technology. The 100 x gain in energy yield from H is real and demonstrated years ago. That's

Re: [Vo]:Wind energy breakthrough

2009-05-04 Thread grok
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 As the smoke cleared, Mike Carrell mi...@medleas.com mounted the barricade and roared out: MC:You have a closer understanding of the experiment that most on this list. The quantity of H2 flowing thorugh the cell is accurately metered as is the

Re: [Vo]:Wind energy breakthrough

2009-05-04 Thread mixent
In reply to grok's message of Mon, 4 May 2009 10:58:25 -0700: Hi, [snip] But, 'hydrino' tek aside: what would be the advantages of using hydrogen vs. molten salts here..? [snip] I'm sure this list is by no means exhaustive:- Molten salts are highly corrosive, thus containment and maintenance

Re: [Vo]:Wind energy breakthrough

2009-05-04 Thread grok
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 As the smoke cleared, Jeff Fink rev...@ptd.net mounted the barricade and roared out: The concept of a world wide grid is practically an oxymoron. Whereas the electrical line losses of high tension transmission lines are economically acceptable

Re: [Vo]:Wind energy breakthrough

2009-05-04 Thread mixent
In reply to grok's message of Mon, 4 May 2009 11:54:13 -0700: Hi, [snip] Isn't there research on (tough!) materials which absorb hi-energy/ hi-intensity photons from across the relevant spektrum, directly into their electron structures..? [snip] ...yes. Icosahedral borides have a self-healing

Re: [Vo]:Wind energy breakthrough

2009-05-04 Thread grok
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 As the smoke cleared, mix...@bigpond.com mix...@bigpond.com mounted the barricade and roared out: I was thinking about the time that there is very little land mass in daylight, i.e. when the sun is over the Pacific. I see. However, nobody is

Re: [Vo]:Wind energy breakthrough

2009-05-04 Thread grok
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 As the smoke cleared, Mike Carrell mi...@medleas.com mounted the barricade and roared out: Isn't there research on (tough!) materials which absorb hi-energy/ hi-intensity photons from across the relevant spektrum, directly into their electron

Re: [Vo]:Wind energy breakthrough

2009-05-04 Thread mixent
In reply to grok's message of Mon, 4 May 2009 11:02:19 -0700: Hi, [snip] One thing I haven't understood about all this (because I only dabble in this stuff): do the 'reduced' hydrinos regain energy from the ambient environment, after having given up useful work to humans beings..? Or is this some

Re: [Vo]:Wind energy breakthrough

2009-05-04 Thread mixent
In reply to grok's message of Mon, 4 May 2009 17:13:12 -0700: Hi, [snip] Besides -- this configuration sounds sub-optimal to me, really. Does this process actually require an unstructured plasma? [snip] ..perhaps not. In fact it may also be what is going on in the structured plasma that exists in

Re: [Vo]:Wind energy breakthrough

2009-05-04 Thread grok
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 As the smoke cleared, Mike Carrell mi...@medleas.com mounted the barricade and roared out: Hydrinos can a) form hydrino molecules, b) catalyze H atoms, c) catalyze other hydrinos, and d) revert to H, with transfer of enough energy. They do not

Re: [Vo]:Wind energy breakthrough

2009-05-04 Thread grok
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 As the smoke cleared, Mike Carrell mi...@medleas.com mounted the barricade and roared out: grok, the ideas for handling a plasma stretch over decades and I can't summarize them here. Sure you can. Or someone can. In general, Mills'

Re: [Vo]:Wind energy breakthrough

2009-05-04 Thread grok
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 As the smoke cleared, mix...@bigpond.com mix...@bigpond.com mounted the barricade and roared out: Besides -- this configuration sounds sub-optimal to me, really. Does this process actually require an unstructured plasma? ..perhaps not. In fact

Re: [Vo]:Wind energy breakthrough

2009-05-04 Thread mixent
In reply to grok's message of Mon, 4 May 2009 18:54:45 -0700: Hi, [snip] So at some point they give off x-rays -- before they give off gamma radiation. Loox like the possibility of 'easy' CF from another angle entirely. [snip] Easy CF from another angle indeed. It's what my reactor is based

Re: [Vo]:Wind energy breakthrough

2009-05-04 Thread mixent
In reply to grok's message of Mon, 4 May 2009 19:05:05 -0700: Hi, [snip] There we go. I can buy that. ; Now I need to understand that process a little more. [snip] You can get a quick intro from my web page at http://rvanspaa.freehostia.com/Hydrinos_explained.html when you are done with that,

Re: [Vo]:Wind energy breakthrough

2009-05-04 Thread thomas malloy
grok wrote: Isn't there research on (tough!) materials which absorb hi-energy/ hi-intensity photons from across the relevant spektrum, directly into their electron structures..? --Mike Carrell: Mills has explored many schemes for extracting energy from the

Re: [Vo]:Wind energy breakthrough

2009-05-04 Thread grok
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 As the smoke cleared, mix...@bigpond.com mix...@bigpond.com mounted the barricade and roared out: So at some point they give off x-rays -- before they give off gamma radiation. Loox like the possibility of 'easy' CF from another angle entirely.

Re: [Vo]:Wind energy breakthrough

2009-05-04 Thread grok
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 As the smoke cleared, thomas malloy temall...@usfamily.net mounted the barricade and roared out: Surely there has to be a method to sweep the plasma around and drink all that energy up -- good, down to the last drop. Why not place rotating Kiril

Re: [Vo]:Wind energy breakthrough

2009-05-03 Thread grok
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 blows strongly in the Prairie States). This is why solar makes sense, since even at $1 watt for the solar cell - the electricity costs 4-6 times more than from a coal plant. But is this the actual, real cost of coal power? Seems to me they're

Re: [Vo]:Wind energy breakthrough

2009-05-03 Thread grok
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 .. does it make sense to design the windmill, and the wind farm - from the git-go to make only hydrogen, which is storable, even if not easily storable and transportable via pipelines (if they are designed to avoid embrittlement)? And people

Re: [Vo]:Wind energy breakthrough

2009-05-03 Thread Terry Blanton
On Sun, May 3, 2009 at 10:12 AM, grok g...@resist.ca wrote: What _is_ the present efficiency of coal/hydro/nuclear power that is now being delivered by hi-tension towers, BTW..? About 92%: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electric_power_transmission Terry

Re: [Vo]:Wind energy breakthrough

2009-05-03 Thread grok
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 As the smoke cleared, Terry Blanton hohlr...@gmail.com mounted the barricade and roared out: On Sun, May 3, 2009 at 10:12 AM, grok g...@resist.ca wrote: What _is_ the present efficiency of coal/hydro/nuclear power that is now being delivered

Re: [Vo]:Wind energy breakthrough

2009-05-03 Thread grok
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 As the smoke cleared, Lawrence de Bivort ldebiv...@earthlink.net mounted the barricade and roared out: Virtually ALL cost-accounting ignores secondary and tertiary effects of an operation, even though some of these might easily outweigh the cost

Re: [Vo]:Wind energy breakthrough

2009-05-03 Thread Mike Carrell
Wind energy breakthroughBlackLightpower has demonstrated by water bath caolrimetry that the blacklight power reactions can extract from gaseous hydrogen 100 times the energy of combustion. This, plus improvements in the efficiency of electrolytic production of hydrogen, can significantly

RE: [Vo]:Wind energy breakthrough

2009-05-03 Thread Lawrence de Bivort
AM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: [Vo]:Wind energy breakthrough -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 blows strongly in the Prairie States). This is why solar makes sense, since even at $1 watt for the solar cell - the electricity costs 4-6 times more than from a coal plant

Re: [Vo]:Wind energy breakthrough

2009-05-03 Thread Jones Beene
- Original Message From: Terry Blanton About 92% [transmission and distribution eff] Yes but looked at another way that is 8% loss which is on top of the thermal efficiency of the plant, correct? IOW a coal plant operating at 40% thermal efficiency would suffer another 8% loss,

Re: [Vo]:Wind energy breakthrough

2009-05-03 Thread mixent
In reply to Jones Beene's message of Sun, 3 May 2009 13:23:21 -0700 (PDT): Hi, [snip] Yes but looked at another way that is 8% loss which is on top of the thermal efficiency of the plant, correct? IOW a coal plant operating at 40% thermal efficiency would suffer another 8% loss, compared to

Re: [Vo]:Wind energy breakthrough

2009-05-03 Thread mixent
In reply to Mike Carrell's message of Sun, 3 May 2009 14:49:32 -0400: Hi, [snip] Wind energy breakthroughBlackLightpower has demonstrated by water bath caolrimetry that the blacklight power reactions can extract from gaseous hydrogen 100 times the energy of combustion. This, plus improvements

Re: [Vo]:Wind energy breakthrough

2009-05-03 Thread grok
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 As the smoke cleared, Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net mounted the barricade and roared out: From: Terry Blanton About 92% [transmission and distribution eff] Yes but looked at another way that is 8% loss which is on top of the thermal

Re: [Vo]:Wind energy breakthrough

2009-05-03 Thread mixent
In reply to grok's message of Sun, 3 May 2009 15:22:30 -0700: Hi, [snip] Which is exactly why there are immediate gains for a world-wide energy grid: there are no 'off-peak' hours, there. It's always 'High Noon' _somewhere_ on the planet. [snip] While this is true, don't forget that about 70% of

Re: [Vo]:Wind energy breakthrough

2009-05-03 Thread Terry Blanton
On Sun, May 3, 2009 at 5:22 PM, grok g...@resist.ca wrote: Surely there must be a simple teknology in the pipeline which will allow the storage of large amounts of electrical power on-site at any power generation site. There is: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sodium-sulfur_battery Terry

Re: [Vo]:Wind energy breakthrough

2009-05-03 Thread Mike Carrell
electrolysis unit and use any convenient water for fuel. Mike Carrell - Original Message - From: mix...@bigpond.com To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Sunday, May 03, 2009 5:47 PM Subject: Re: [Vo]:Wind energy breakthrough In reply to Mike Carrell's message of Sun, 3 May 2009 14:49:32 -0400: Hi

Re: [Vo]:Wind energy breakthrough

2009-05-03 Thread mixent
In reply to Mike Carrell's message of Sun, 3 May 2009 20:23:41 -0400: Hi Mike, [snip] Reading between the lines, I would say that you don't like what I read between the lines. ;) My comment was in part to remind everyone of BLP technology. The 100 x gain in energy yield from H is real and