I don't want to talk to you no more, you empty headed animal food
trough wiper. I fart in your general direction. Your mother was a
hamster and your father smelt of elderberries. (guess the movie)
Harry
On Tue, Feb 21, 2012 at 3:13 PM, Daniel Rocha danieldi...@gmail.com wrote:
He was just an
But whose technology are they going to be testing?
Possibility #1 -- Their own tech they developed from scratch. (THIS WOULD BE
WORTH CELEBRATING!)
Possibility #2 -- A copy cat of Rossi's technology, using his intellectual
property without permission. (This would be a horrible tragedy.)
Monty Python
On Fri, Feb 24, 2012 at 12:32 AM, Harry Veeder hveeder...@gmail.com wrote:
I don't want to talk to you no more, you empty headed animal food
trough wiper. I fart in your general direction. Your mother was a
hamster and your father smelt of elderberries. (guess the movie)
Harry
Frank, thanks, I now understand your approach. I thought you were using
the wire as a heating element.
On Thu, Feb 23, 2012 at 3:32 PM, fznidar...@aol.com wrote:
The Vaseline only holds the nickel dust on the wire. If it melts, good,
then I will have made some heat.
I do not worry abut the
Recognition is not the issue here. The issue is property rights.
Even if Apple, Google, and Microsoft get away with stealing other companies
technologies (or having to pay a fine) it is not OK. If a company is found to
be using another company's tech without permission, the offending company
an interesting opinion article
http://www.foreignpolicyjournal.com/2012/02/24/cold-winter-after-progress-in-cold-fusion/
I agree on their analysis on the orginin of the problems we have those days
with
science and consensus, preventing real discovery
The big issue here is the catalysts and special preparation of the nickel
powders (enrichment with certain isotopes). If they are using his catalyst or
developed a catalyst of their own by examining the catalysts of the E-Cat when
they were not supposed to do so, I think that is unethical.
2 and 3 would be a tragedy, because it would mean the Hyperion is not original.
It could also mean that they are using Rossi's IP without permission.
I hope Defkalion's technology is original. It very well may be. But if it is
not, it is a shame that they did not simply pay Rossi earlier in
These two Forums are the places where I have friends, some have
helped me but many others can help me in person or have to ask
their friends. This is surely one of my last Projectsa nd i want to
see it on the good way- to accomplishment:
The way i see it (thanks to Jed) the first paper about Ni-H goes back to 1979,
and the first Focardi paper about Ni-H was published in 1994.
Now, as far as i know, Defkalion has not sold any Hyperion yet.
But if the tests are conclusive the most important result will be that all
doubts about
I wonder where the test protocols are... It's by now nearly 16:00 in
Athens, so when do the tests start? The protocols should be published
before the tests begin AFAIK.
The way i see it (thanks to Jed) the first paper about Ni-H goes back
to 1979, and the first Focardi paper about Ni-H was
These battery pulsing/shuttling devices have been around since the Ed Grey
motor. Whatever it is, it gets rediscovered and rediscovered.
I personally think that Ed Shoulders Charge Clusters explain both LENR and
these devices. If have ever read his main patents, you are witness to a huge
noone noone thesteornpa...@yahoo.com wrote:
Possibility #2 -- A copy cat of Rossi's technology, using his intellectual
property without permission. (This would be a horrible tragedy.)
Nonsense. Companies use technology all the time without permission. This
would not be a horrible tragedy; it
On Fri, Feb 24, 2012 at 12:32 AM, Harry Veeder hveeder...@gmail.com wrote:
I don't want to talk to you no more, you empty headed animal food
trough wiper. I fart in your general direction. Your mother was a
hamster and your father smelt of elderberries. (guess the movie)
Arsenic and Old Lace
maybe they change their idea, under the demand of the tester,
to avoid the crazy behavior of fans and pathoskeptics.
also maybe the testers don't wan't to be identified before the test succeed
to avoid looking ridiculous...
cold fusion is really frightening for corp and officials...
I feel like
Hm wouldn't it be better if they would announce such a change?
Now i am sitting here and constantly hitting F5 on my keyboard with
the opened Defkalion site in front of me ;)
maybe they change their idea, under the demand of the tester,
to avoid the crazy behavior of fans and pathoskeptics.
From Jed,
noone noone wrote:
Possibility #2 -- A copy cat of Rossi's technology, using his intellectual
property without permission. (This would be a horrible tragedy.)
Nonsense.
I agree,
What well-known company has not filed suit against a potential
competitor for daring to kick the
It's just b'ness. Leave tragedy to the novels.
On Friday, February 24, 2012, OrionWorks - Steven V Johnson
svj.orionwo...@gmail.com wrote:
From Jed,
noone noone wrote:
Possibility #2 -- A copy cat of Rossi's technology, using his
intellectual
property without permission. (This would be
Indeed Jed, I found this somewhat hilarious, that people (e.g. Noone noone) are
accusing Defkalion about IP-theft.
I have previously stated, that current patent legislation is outdated, because
the benefit of IP-rights cannot even remotely offset, the cost of lawyers and
bureaucracy involved
If I invented a billion dollar technology and someone copied it without my
permission, I would not accept a trillion dollars from a lawsuit.
The only thing I would accept is for the other company to be forced to re-call
all their products. Then I would make money by selling the products from my
A principled inventor would not accept a penny in damages in exchange for the
other company to continue selling the products. A principled inventor would
demand that the other company re-call their products, and be forced to STOP
SELLING THEM.
If I was an injured inventor, I would want sales
That's not going to happen. Almost everyone who has made a lot of money off of
new technology has stolen it from someone else. If Rossi really does have
something, I hope he does get the money and fame he deserves, but I'm much more
concerned about getting this product out to the public as
For the record, I do not know if Defkalion is using a copy of Rossi's
technology (or a technology developed after obtaining Rossi's IP without
permission) or not. I do not know what the truth is about the situation.
However, I find the comments from yourself and others who seem not to care
noone noone sez:
If I invented a billion dollar technology and someone copied
it without my permission, I would not accept a trillion
dollars from a lawsuit.
The only thing I would accept is for the other company to be
forced to re-call all their products. Then I would make money
by
I was wondering if there was a way to get electrical energy by using a
permanent magnet in a conductive path with iron wire. I think the Roy Meyer
device worked this way, as well as perhaps the Coler devices that were exposed
by British Intelligence after the war.
When it comes to sticking to my principles, it does not matter what people
think of me.
I'm the kind of person who goes into church and asks Christians, who would
Jesus bomb. At that point I'm automatically considered an evil liberal.
In this life you can usually take two roads when it comes
If everyone was better off, including yourself, you'd still follow your
values? I completely disagree with this. All I care about is making
people's lives better.
On Feb 24, 2012, at 12:32 PM, noone noone wrote:
When it comes to sticking to my principles, it does not matter what people
If this affair doesn't go anywhere, we could start a fund for an opensource
development of LENR.
2012/2/24 Jarold McWilliams oldja...@hotmail.com
If everyone was better off, including yourself, you'd still follow your
values? I completely disagree with this. All I care about is making
At 06:54 AM 2/24/2012, Zell, Chris wrote:
These battery pulsing/shuttling devices have been around since the
Ed Grey motor. Whatever it is, it gets rediscovered and rediscovered
http://keelynet.com/evgray/evgray1.htm
http://keelynet.com/evgray/evgray2.htm
http://keelynet.com/evgray/evgray3.htm
Exactly! We should crowd-source the funding to get this going.
Or better, since nobody has money and everbody here has an opinion of how
to make it work, we should Crowd Science! That's what we aim for with
our crowd science project with the Peer Pressure.
Cheers,
Bastiaan.
On Fri, Feb 24, 2012
At 11:05 AM 2/24/2012, Alan J Fletcher wrote:
At 06:54 AM 2/24/2012, Zell, Chris wrote:
These battery pulsing/shuttling devices have been around since the
Ed Grey motor. Whatever it is, it gets rediscovered and rediscovered
A bunch of Ed Grey links : starting in 1973, patent application 1980
At 06:54 AM 2/24/2012, Zell, Chris wrote:
These battery pulsing/shuttling devices have been around since the
Ed Grey motor. Whatever it is, it gets rediscovered and rediscovered.
Here's a 2000-page compendium of Free Energy Devices. (Ed Grey is
only noted in an appendix).
Free Energy
Here's a 2000-page compendium of Free Energy Devices.
Free Energy Devices
http://www.scribd.com/doc/21334918/Free-Energy-Devices
Also available on-line (Chapters in separate PDF's) :
http://www.free-energy-info.co.uk/
(Warning : Chapter 13 goes off the deep end, with a UK-equivalent of
In reply to Axil Axil's message of Sun, 19 Feb 2012 16:20:54 -0500:
Hi,
[snip]
The high pressure CO2 coolant will eliminate hydrogen exfiltration from
the hot kernel stainless steel reactor kernel walls;
I don't think so.
Regards,
Robin van Spaandonk
The Tesla Switch seems to derive from Ronald Brandt -- who is
generally reported to have been a close friend of Tesla (though google
books / biographies don't show him).
This seems to be the initial definitive report on Bedini's version
:
Cold Fusion: The Scientific Fiasco of the Century
Can some experienced guy tell us some history? Is John Huizenga the one who
headed the two DOE reviews (1989 and 1994)?
I remember reading that somewhere but can't find it anymore.
Has anybody read his book, is it good? I know most of you will
On Fri, Feb 24, 2012 at 1:03 PM, noone noone thesteornpa...@yahoo.com wrote:
A principled inventor would not accept a penny in damages in exchange for
the other company to continue selling the products. A principled inventor
would demand that the other company re-call their products, and be
It's been a slow-news Friday afternoon, so please accept my apologies
for continuing this protracted discussion with noone noone:
The world according to noone noone:
If I invented a billion dollar technology and someone copied
it without my permission, I would not accept a trillion
dollars
To explain: Ed Shoulders is not some ill-educated crackpot. He discovered a
'particle' he initially called Electron Validum, later changed to charge
cluster. Some Russians independently made the same claim, calling them ectons'
or something.
Anyhow, they are transient structures of huge
At 01:05 PM 2/24/2012, Alan J Fletcher wrote:
The Tesla Switch
seems to derive from Ronald Brandt -- who is generally reported to have
been a close friend of Tesla (though google books / biographies don't
show him).
http://www.overunity.com/12003/estate-of-ron-brandt/
Estate of Ron
Brandt «
On Fri, Feb 24, 2012 at 4:15 PM, Bastiaan Bergman
bastiaan.berg...@gmail.com wrote:
Cold Fusion: The Scientific Fiasco of the Century
Can some experienced guy tell us some history? Is John Huizenga the one who
headed the two DOE reviews (1989 and 1994)?
The 1989 report:
Absolutely. I would not care if everyone would be better off, including myself.
I would not care even if by accepting damages and letting the other company
continue producing the units a million lives would be saved. Our rights and
freedoms are more important than our physical bodies.
I want
The issue is not the design, but the catalysts and special treatment of the
nickel powders.
We do not need both companies if one company has stolen intellectual property.
We do NOT know if this is the case. I am not saying they have stolen
intellectual property. But if they have, they need to
It's KEN Shoulders, not Ed Shoulders...
-Original Message-
From: Zell, Chris [mailto:chrisz...@wetmtv.com]
Sent: Friday, February 24, 2012 1:34 PM
To: 'vortex-l@eskimo.com'
Subject: RE: [Vo]:South Africa Fuel-Free Generator Report : Theory?
To explain: Ed Shoulders is not some
One, the fact is that when it comes to me standing up for my principles, I
don't care what people think about me. I would rather they think favorably of
me, but if they do not I am not going to let it change my behavior. I have been
called all sorts of names for supporting my various beliefs,
Greetings Vortex,
On a date, Feb 24th, I thought that Mark Gibbs of Forbes could focus on
the upcoming Defkalion Test-
He dras out the Dead Dan Smith Deal..shesh.
http://www.forbes.com/sites/markgibbs/2012/02/24/dick-smith-rossi-e-cat-too-fantastic-to-be-true/
Forbeslets look at the
At 01:33 PM 2/24/2012, Zell, Chris wrote:
To explain: Ed Shoulders is not
some ill-educated crackpot. He discovered a 'particle' he initially
called Electron Validum, later changed to charge cluster. Some Russians
independently made the same claim, calling them ectons' or
something.
Seems to be
Cut Cut... my statement below was intervened upon by 'someone' who can
operate from within my feeble intelligence process, w/o my knowledge. Two
words, 'only' and 'navigated' were somehow kept from being typed in the last
sentence, and have now been re-included.
This is what I said
All Forbes/Gibbs is doing is getting paid to read other people's blogs and
regurgitate information they are posting on their free time. I respect
Steve Krivit for original investigative reporting regardless of whether his
opinions slant one way or the other.
On Friday, February 24, 2012, Ron
Jed is right on. There will be plenty of money to go around if this
technology is a go
On Friday, February 24, 2012, Jed Rothwell wrote:
noone noone thesteornpa...@yahoo.com javascript:_e({}, 'cvml',
'thesteornpa...@yahoo.com'); wrote:
We do not need both companies if one company has
I am not an expert at law, but I would strive to stop someone from selling my
technology without permission even if it was a futile battle.
If I did decide to take money (if I thought it was the best way to fight
against the company using my technology), I would let it be known to the courts
Money is not the point.
The point is that if a company steals a technology from an inventor (again I am
not saying Defkalion has stolen anything, I am speaking hypothetically) the
company who stole the technology should not be allowed to sell products using
the technology. Of course if the
Of course other people can have different values, but it does not mean their
values are the correct ones. There can only be one correct set of values for
humanity when it comes to right and wrong.
If you are for an open marriage, you are obviously not a Christian. I think you
have the right
Does anyone really expect to get a fair hearing on cold fusion from one of
the establishment and Rothschild owned lapdogs - Forbes?
This is what they do best.
Good to see that the comments reflect the fact that Gibbs is out of touch
with 99% of the people reading his stoopid article.
The greek corner has a post at 3:38 pm
http://translate.google.com/translate?sl=eltl=enjs=nprev=_thl=enie=UTF-8layout=2eotf=1u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.defkalion-energy.com%2Fforum%2Fviewtopic.php%3Ff%3D4%26t%3D359%26p%3D6607%26sid%3D7ec7ecfb643df0284b6e2919cb1c5c34%23p6607
alfalfa wrote:
Good luck
I think here Mark did slip rather much, but in general Mark's writing is
keeping the hopes up, where as 99,998 % of journalists has just ignored this
thing.
Also Mark has written many very good articles, and he really does hope for
better future. For example when he was interviewed, he showed
If your definition of Christianity is following every line of the bible, than I
am not a Christian. But the bible itself says that the only requirement for
Christianity is believing God sent someone down to die for our sins. By this
definition, I am a Christian. I actually don't give a crap
noone noone thesteornpa...@yahoo.com wrote:
If I did decide to take money (if I thought it was the best way to fight
against the company using my technology), I would let it be known to the
courts that any money awarded to me would be instantly used to try and stop
the activities of the
I think that you should consider that Rossi and many before him are using
technology that was derived by others. It is seldom as simple as you seem to
think when IP is being judicated. I recall when the company I worked with at
the time as well as its main competitor would periodically have
Charly Sistovaris charlysi...@gmail.com wrote:
incomparably better. design is extremely important to the first perception
you get on content. shiny beautiful isn't superfluous, but old ugly
html like you had (sorry for being harsh) . . .
That was deliberate. It is the aggressively
From: Harry Veeder hveeder...@gmail.com
To: noone noone thesteornpa...@yahoo.com
Sent: Friday, February 24, 2012 3:58 PM
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Test day in Greece time
On Fri, Feb 24, 2012 at 1:03 PM, noone noone thesteornpa...@yahoo.com
wrote:
If I was an
As I recall, a patent may be denied ( and possibly implementation
forbidden ) if it would be substantially disruptive to the US economy ( that
seems to imply that the really great inventions are suppressed :-( ).
A good strategy then may be to get your stuff on the market before the gov't
Some new details emerged yesterday from the Smartscarecrow show.
Sterling said most of the components are off the shelf except from the control
board of course, so he's planning to build some units at home then have the
inventor to come to set them up.
Unfortunately he also added that Mark
Do you really think that if the U.S. government had the power to forbid
implementation of cold fusion, that they wouldn't realize a cold fusion device
is headed for the market?
From: hoyt.stea...@gmail.com
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Subject: RE: [Vo]:Test day in Greece time
Date: Fri, 24 Feb
Do you really think that if the U.S. government had the power to forbid
implementation of cold fusion, that they wouldn't realize a cold fusion device
is headed for the market?
From: oldja...@hotmail.com
To: hoyt.stea...@gmail.com; vortex-l@eskimo.com
Subject: RE: [Vo]:Test day in
I think there are critical aspects of Rossi's technology that are totally novel
to cold fusion. Those are the ones that allow him to produce a practical amount
of heat when no one else (that I am aware) has been able to do so. If these
critical pieces of intellectual property have been stolen
Hello Jed,
Once again, everyone points out there will be plenty of money for everyone.
Everyone is obsessed with money.
I am not.
The fact is if I was in a situation where I was an inventor and my technology
was stolen, money would be the last thing on my mind. If I was forced to accept
Here is a good example of someone who had their rights violated.
http://www.therecord.com/news/local/article/676150--man-shocked-by-arrest-after-daughter-draws-picture-of-gun-at-school
This guy had his rights violated in a number of different ways. He was not a
criminal. Those that were
I think your reply address isn't configured to point to vortex-l.
I hope Defkalion's technology is original. It very well may be. But if it
is not, it is a shame that they did not simply pay Rossi earlier in 2011 so
they could continue working together. Instead, if 2 or 3 is true, Rossi may
On Fri, Feb 24, 2012 at 9:10 PM, Eric Walker eric.wal...@gmail.com wrote:
I personally think the patent system is fatally flawed, and I haven't the
slightest sympathy for the idea of intellectual property.
The conversation has moved on, but I should moderate the statement above, a
little. I
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