I believe that our science is limited by our observational instrumentation,
therefore our science is imperfect.
In this light, the Darwinian theory of evolution in its original form is
constrained by the observational tools that mankind had available to them
in that past time and is comparatively
I do not have the time nor the inclination to read up on all these myths. But
if a myth explains the observed facts, it is considered.
Which specific myth do you want me to look up and discuss.
Jojo
- Original Message -
From: Daniel Rocha
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent:
I am not lamenting the shortcomings of science, I am lamenting the lack of
integrity of scientists. We need to realize that Science is objective, but
scientists are not.
The Darwinian-Dogma Cathedral that scientists have erected has become the
central religious icon of this new religion.
This exchange between Stephen Meyer and Atheist Peter Atkins serves to
illustrate what is wrong with science today:
Stephen Meyer:
- the problem is people don't want to talk about the science
- they denounce dissent as unscientific
- they will not debate about whther natural causes can
good articles. The last one appears 100% LENR to me. Is this evidence
that the topic is gaining attention within the scientific community ?
On Fri, Aug 3, 2012 at 11:17 PM, pagnu...@htdconnect.com wrote:
Nuclear reactions, induced by gamma-quanta, in palladium saturated with
deuterium
Hi Axil,
Our DNA and the processes in the cell are so complicated no one intelligent
would ever design it the way it is. It really is just a molecule that can
replicate itself with errors and when errors improve ability to produce
more copies then you get more with that error. It's quite amazing
Hi Mark,
I too was amazed rto learn I had more bacteria cells in my body than human.
I now know why beef is more tender if it's been hung for a week or two
before eating :) a lot of the bacteria in our body is really useful and
it's one reason we shouldn't take antibiotics if we can avoid it.
Hi Daniel,
That's a great list, never seen it before. Thanks for sharing
Colin
On Sat, Aug 4, 2012 at 1:32 PM, Daniel Rocha danieldi...@gmail.com wrote:
What is your criteria to rule out all other creation myths except for the
biblical one?
2012/8/4 Jojo Jaro jth...@hotmail.com
**
I
You can add man made global warming to your list of Dogma. Try to get funding
for a study that suggests that nature trumps our contributions. The usual way
to deny discussions in these fields is to say that The science is settled. I
believe that phrase is attributed to Nobel Prize winner
Way back when early Man had slowly begun to learn how to build an outside
shelter other than what a cave provided, he *learned* how to utilize the
available resources such as hay, mud, stone, wood, etc., then, metals. and
now considering this, ask yourself this question. were these
Hopefully LENR phenomena are real.
Too bad the enforcers of conformity have made research so difficult.
The first paper (Nuclear reactions, induced by gamma-quanta...) is also
quite interesting since they report transmutations to gold, which I think
is quite anomalous.
-- Lou Pagnucco
Moab^2
Greetings Vortex-L,
I saw that Dr McCubre endorses the Papp Engine at the Tesla Tech meeting.
http://www.pesn.com
At the http://www.rohnermachine.com are the Papp videos..click the center
bar to
see various experiments.
At the Tesla conference...one commenter said that when Richard Feyman saw
On Sat, Aug 4, 2012 at 12:48 PM, Ron Kita chiralex.k...@gmail.com wrote:
At the Tesla conference...one commenter said that when Richard Feyman saw
the machine ..run.
http://www.infinite-energy.com/iemagazine/issue51/papp.html
excerpt:
Feynman's Mistakes and the Recovery
But at the public
Jojo,
You strike me as having been seduced by the dark side of the Vort Collective
and now willing to participate in some of your favorite Off-Topic discussions –
including the generation of a few of your own. A good scrappy discussion can
occasionally be a refreshing treat for many here,
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Creationism
Creationism is the religious belief[1] that humanity, life, the Earth, and
the universe are the creation of a supernatural being, most often referring
to the Abrahamic God. As science developed from the 18th century onwards,
various views developed which
The Bible is a book of faith and morals. Morals is a a component of the
social contract between a person and his society. As society evolved over
time, and so did the moral contract defined in the Bible.
The thing that bothers me with the bible as a basis for scientific thought
is as follows:
Hello vortex members. I have long solved difficult problems by trying to get
to the bottom of the issue, particularly by looking at experiments from an
alternate perspective. I have been thinking about the global warming problem
for some time and think that a good thought experiment might
Parts of the Earth may have undergone rapid catastrophic flooding
thousands of years ago, but you don't have to believe in the bible to
argue the case.
The theory that some geological features formed very quickly instead
of gradually is compatible with Earth being billions of years old.
Harry
Le Aug 4, 2012 à 10:50 AM, OrionWorks - Steven Vincent Johnson
orionwo...@charter.net a écrit :
What is your explanation for the scientific implications that come out of
scientific measurements deduced from radioactive decay, such as carbon dating?
I have not followed the debate concerning
I confirm that Martin died yesterday.
Marianne and Mike saw him this spring. He was still responsive and enjoying
life. So that is a blessing.
- Jed
Axil, I feel your pain and I agree. The issues you raised below are valid
criticisms. But there is one thing you need to realize. These actions are the
actions of the Catholic Church, not the real Biblical Christian Church. The
Catholic Church is a political construction and indeed was used
A message from Ed --
Martin demonstrated that Nature has a diabolical plan. He and Stan were
not the first to cause the LENR process but they were the first to attract
attention. For that they paid the price Nature always extracts when a
great discovery is made. They attempted the impossible
I just noticed that Krivit used his death to promote WL theory...
2012/8/4 Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com
I confirm that Martin died yesterday.
Marianne and Mike saw him this spring. He was still responsive and
enjoying life. So that is a blessing.
- Jed
--
Daniel Rocha - RJ
I remember the Pons and Fleischmann announcement, when I was a young boy of 13,
vividly. I started jumping around the room as Tom Brokaw was describing it on
the television in my father's den. It was at that moment that I realized that
it is possible for one person to make a difference in
Daniel Rocha danieldi...@gmail.com wrote:
I just noticed that Krivit used his death to promote WL theory...
He also put himself front and center in someone else's obituary, which is
bad form.
I suppose a person does not get to write his own obituary, so Steve took
this opportunity to feature
I wrote:
Since I will not be around to write my own obituary, let me take a crack
at it here:
Jed Rothwell died [a long time from now I hope]
Rothwell was inordinately fond of cherries.
Ahem . . . I am in the habit of making jokes in times of stress, and at
funerals. Especially at
Steven, I am relunctantly engaging in these off-topic posts to make a point.
Since, you and Jed refuse to moderate your off-topic posts despite my numerous
pleas, I am now doing this to make a point and settle a bet with Terry. That
there is a double standard that exists in Vortex-L. If
Well, this is just one case wherein science has verified the accounts of the
Bible. There are many many many instances of this. The Bible is not a
book of Science but when it does make a statement about science, it has been
found to be true.
Did you know that the Bible says the Earth is
From Jed
Ahem . . . I am in the habit of making jokes in times of
stress, and at funerals. Especially at wakes. It is a
British tradition, as it happens. Chris Tinsley's wake,
immediately following the funeral, was one of most
riotous parties I have ever attended.
I am sorry if
I'd be ok (as it would matter...) if people used my organs to play sports
or give it to vultures and forget me forever.
--
Daniel Rocha - RJ
danieldi...@gmail.com
In remembrance and honor of Martin Fleischmann, I will suspend my posting
activity on other topics for a day.
I suggest everyone do the same to allow people to remember the great
contributions of Fleischmann.
Jojo
- Original Message -
From: Jed Rothwell
To:
would you mind if I stuck a cross in the Vulture's poop?
harry
On Sat, Aug 4, 2012 at 6:10 PM, Daniel Rocha danieldi...@gmail.com wrote:
I'd be ok (as it would matter...) if people used my organs to play sports or
give it to vultures and forget me forever.
--
Daniel Rocha - RJ
Sure! But, please, not in his da poo poo!
2012/8/4 Harry Veeder hveeder...@gmail.com
would you mind if I stuck a cross in the Vulture's poop?
harry
On Sat, Aug 4, 2012 at 6:10 PM, Daniel Rocha danieldi...@gmail.com
wrote:
I'd be ok (as it would matter...) if people used my organs to play
If the bible is suppose to be as good or even better than science it
should not use such vague language.
harry
On Sat, Aug 4, 2012 at 5:48 PM, Jojo Jaro jth...@hotmail.com wrote:
Well, this is just one case wherein science has verified the accounts of the
Bible. There are many many many
From Jojo
Steven, I am relunctantly engaging in these off-topic posts
to make a point. Since, you and Jed refuse to moderate your
off-topic posts despite my numerous pleas, I am now doing
this to make a point and settle a bet with Terry. That there
is a double standard that exists
SVJ wrote:
“Come to think of it, how could I not be conscious, how could we ALL not be
conscious if we are all part of a Conscious Living Universe.”
It’s not a binary thing… it’s a continuum, and the problem is that most are
just starting out on the journey to full consciousness!
In my
Feeling sad, and angry.
Sad for the obvious reasons.
Angry at the scientists and journalists that treated FP, and the entire
field, so disgracefully and unscientifically. They should be held
responsible for the 23 years of delay; they should have known better. I
hope karma comes back to
From Mark,
I hope karma comes back to bite them where it counts.
... reincarnated as teapots. Powered by... well, you know. ;-)
Regards,
Steven Vincent Johnson
www.OrionWorks.com
www.zazzle.com/orionworks
OrionWorks - Steven Vincent Johnson orionwo...@charter.net wrote:
Jed, I suspect you may have a few worth revealing.
I am kind of busy getting ready for ICCF17. (I wish I could make it Austin
next week.) Christy Frazier, Marianne Macy and I are working on an obituary
which will be published
I don't think Darwin pronounced himself on erosion, Jojo.
Erosion is a long-observed and understood phenomenon. Ask any farmer, or road
builder.
The Biblical view requires faith and does not pretend to be scientifically
provable. Erosion is based upon physical phenomena. Check out the
I think Martin would have appreciated the humor, Jed.
Lawry
On Aug 4, 2012, at 5:35 PM, Jed Rothwell wrote:
I wrote:
Since I will not be around to write my own obituary, let me take a crack at
it here:
Jed Rothwell died [a long time from now I hope]
Rothwell was inordinately
Ed Storms hit the nail on the head in his comment I copied here.
- Jed
Charles Beaudette, in his MIT
lecturehttp://www.newenergytimes.com/v2/views/Group1/Beaudette-LincolnLab.shtmlquipped
that if Fleischmann and Pons would have the good manners (not sure
the exact wording) to die, cold fusion research could become respectable.
Note, I am not suggesting that anyone
I am likewise saddened greatly by knowing that we have lost one of the pioneers
of the field. It is unfortunate that he did not have the opportunity to see
his work come into full fruition. I was never granted the opportunity of
meeting Fleischmann and now that can not happen, but hopefully
OMG Steven... you hit a home run...
That's hilarious! Literally LoL
-mi
-Original Message-
From: OrionWorks - Steven Vincent Johnson [mailto:orionwo...@charter.net]
Sent: Saturday, August 04, 2012 4:29 PM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Subject: RE: [Vo]:Obituary: Fleischmann, 85
From Mark,
Dr. Fleischmann had the pleasure of being one of the first two people
who were certain that low energy nuclear reactions truly exist. He
surely knew that, one day, his discovery would create a better world.
I hope that gave him sufficient reward.
History will remember him so.
T
Jed:
Krivit makes you more than stop and think. A decent person would not use the
death of another to further themselves. Krivit is not a decent person. Martin
Fleishmann deserves better. Personally, regardless of the nature of the
phenomena, I hope it is always termed Cold Fusion in honor
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