[WikiEN-l] When an article is in full protection.

2009-07-23 Thread WereSpielChequers
consensus? WereSpielChequers Message: 6 Date: Thu, 23 Jul 2009 05:47:18 -0400 From: wjhon...@aol.com Subject: Re: [WikiEN-l] How wikipedia could link into File Protection. To: wikien-l@lists.wikimedia.org Message-ID: 8cbd991b3a1ad8c-1414-5...@webmail-mh03.sysops.aol.com Content-Type: text

[WikiEN-l] BBC Radio 4 - Bigipedia

2009-07-23 Thread WereSpielChequers
, not realising why that was known as the Saudi setting. WereSpielChequers -- Message: 5 Date: Thu, 23 Jul 2009 16:04:18 -0500 From: kgnp...@gmail.com kgnp...@gmail.com Subject: Re: [WikiEN-l] Brand Republic: BBC Radio 4 launches Wikipedia parod y

Re: [WikiEN-l] WikiEN-l Digest, Vol 72, Issue 76

2009-07-24 Thread WereSpielChequers
quoted one pundit who thought it would be easier to improve wikipedia. One interesting contrast is with sites that only allow qualified Doctors to edit them, but it seems that New Scientist's current substantive criticism is our incompleteness, not our veracity. -- WereSpielChequers

[WikiEN-l] deletionists look away (or maybe look back again)

2009-07-30 Thread WereSpielChequers
Rupert's doghttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Familiar_spirit#Prince_Rupert.27s_dog]]. We don't have a proper article on Boye. WereSpielChequers -- Message: 3 Date: Thu, 30 Jul 2009 13:28:12 +0100 From: Carcharoth carcharot...@googlemail.com Subject: Re: [WikiEN-l

Re: [WikiEN-l] you have to improve upon it before tagging it for speedy deletion

2009-09-18 Thread WereSpielChequers
that the author of a good faith article has a redlinked talkpage. I also think that many of our speedy tags and templates should be rewritten to be less bitey and more welcoming. WereSpielChequers Maybe we can make up a rule that says Unless the page was obvisouly written in bad faith, you have

[WikiEN-l] Not everyone wants to be a janitor policeman.

2009-09-20 Thread WereSpielChequers
as no need for the tools. I'm definitely in the latter group and wouldn't see not wanting to be a janitor policeman as necessarily grounds for an oppose. WereSpielChequers Message: 5 Date: Sat, 19 Sep 2009 15:13:38 EDT From: wjhon...@aol.com Subject: Re: [WikiEN-l] Newbie and not-so-newbie biting

[WikiEN-l] CSD tagging errors and defaulting to minor edits

2009-09-21 Thread WereSpielChequers
faults most RFA !voters are open to a candidate who responds by changing their default; again I doubt that enough admins or experienced editors are taking the time to point this out to people making that mistake before their RFA. WereSpielChequers Message: 10 Date: Mon, 21 Sep 2009 12:02:11 +0100

[WikiEN-l] Patrolling flagged revisions will be very different to new page patrol

2009-09-27 Thread WereSpielChequers
such as a week, with anything not flagged after then going live at that point. This would mean that everyone who checks their watchlist weekly would have had a chance to revert vandalism before it went live, and would mean that the wait would never be longer than 7 days. WereSpielChequers Given

[WikiEN-l] Accepting the challenge to create a new article as a newbie and see if it lasts 2 minutes - or 7 days

2009-10-08 Thread WereSpielChequers
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:WereSpielChequers/Newbie_treatment Two articles at least should be unveiled in the next few days. WereSpielChequers On Friday, September 18, 2009, Sage Ross ragesoss+wikipe...@gmail.com wrote: This isn't a new issue by any means, but here's a nice post

[WikiEN-l] How friendly are we to Newbies? Update on the create an article as a newbie challenge

2009-10-28 Thread WereSpielChequers
tagged for deletion, there are others as yet unpatrolled that won't be disclosed until they have faced the people who patrol the back end of the unpatrolled queue. WereSpielChequers Message: 6 Date: Wed, 28 Oct 2009 16:38:53 +1100 From: Steve Bennett stevag...@gmail.com Subject: Re: [WikiEN-l

[WikiEN-l] How friendly are we to Newbies? Update on the create an article as a newbie challenge

2009-10-30 Thread WereSpielChequers
contribution has in the first sentence was king of ** from * to ***. It has yet to be marked as patrolled and I anticipate it reaching those who patrol the back of the unpatrolled newpages at some point this week. Regards WereSpielChequers -- Message

[WikiEN-l] How friendly are we to Newbies? Create an article as a newbie challenge now paused

2009-11-16 Thread WereSpielChequers
. WereSpielChequers Message: 6 Date: Wed, 28 Oct 2009 16:38:53 +1100 From: Steve Bennett stevag...@gmail.com Subject: Re: [WikiEN-l] How friendly are we to Newbies? Update on the create an article as a newbie challenge To: English Wikipedia wikien-l@lists.wikimedia.org Message-ID

[WikiEN-l] New articles from the third world

2009-12-04 Thread WereSpielChequers
. WereSpielChequers Message: 1 Date: Thu, 03 Dec 2009 12:21:50 + From: Charles Matthews charles.r.matth...@ntlworld.com Subject: [WikiEN-l] Technology Guardian article on global article        distribution To: English Wikipedia wikien-l@lists.wikimedia.org Message-ID: 4b17ad5e.5050...@ntlworld.com

[WikiEN-l] new articles from unconfirmed users queue - where is that these days?

2009-12-06 Thread WereSpielChequers
/Category:Nonsense_pages_for_speedy_deletion I fear some of our taggers see No-context as a euphemism for needs quite a bit of work. WereSpielChequers http://enwp.org/WP:WANTED http://enwp.org/WP:MISSING I've been writing new stub articles just from those in the past couple of days. It reminds me

[WikiEN-l] Do we try to watch(list) the encyclopedia too much?

2009-12-10 Thread WereSpielChequers
to watchlists is an option to ignore rolled back edits. If A has edited an article, b has then vandalised it and C has reverted to the version edited by A then I'd really only like to see A's edit on my watchlist. werespielchequers Message: 5 Date: Wed, 9 Dec 2009 16:30:17 -0800 (PST) From: Mike

[WikiEN-l] Wikipedia:Requests for comment/Biographies of living people

2010-01-22 Thread WereSpielChequers
at the next London meetup - which should be on the 14th Feb. WereSpielChequers ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l

[WikiEN-l] In defence of the minor edit

2010-01-28 Thread WereSpielChequers
, and of course there is the little matter of cost. Enabling volunteers to improve the bits of Wikipedia that they volunteer to do is much more cost effective than employing people and telling them what to work on. WereSpielChequers The change that would make the biggest difference is that each person who

Re: [WikiEN-l] WikiEN-l Digest, Vol 80, Issue 14

2010-03-11 Thread WereSpielChequers
of people who retire and don't die whilst they are in the public spotlight (I suspect a statistical analysis of Wikipedia articles would give solid evidence for the and they all lived happily ever after nursery story ending ). -- WereSpielChequers

[WikiEN-l] Firefox can't find the server at en.wikipedia.org.

2010-03-24 Thread WereSpielChequers
Anyone know what happened to wikipedia this afternoon? Firefox can't find the server at en.wikipedia.org WereSpielChequers ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org

[WikiEN-l] declining numbers of EN wiki admins

2010-03-25 Thread WereSpielChequers
/RFA_by_month Regards WereSpielChequers ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l

[WikiEN-l] Reforming RFA

2010-03-26 Thread WereSpielChequers
contributors we will need a new method to appoint admins. -- WereSpielChequers ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l

[WikiEN-l] Lord Gnome says Wikipedia said Miaow

2010-04-07 Thread WereSpielChequers
/Talk:Mephedrone#Meow_meow And raises the question as to whether this redirect http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Miaow_miaowaction=history is self referential. Of course if the edit was legit we need to inform the Eye. WereSpielChequers

[WikiEN-l] robotically generated content

2010-04-14 Thread WereSpielChequers
. WereSpielChequers ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l

[WikiEN-l] The new look to Wikipedia

2010-05-13 Thread WereSpielChequers
I couldn't find the deletion and block buttons, and all the scripts various people have set me up with disappeared. So I've reverted to the old skin; At least they made it easy to do that. WereSpielChequers Message: 2 Date: Thu, 13 May 2010 12:38:56 +0100 From: AGK wiki...@googlemail.com

[WikiEN-l] Simple vandalism occasionally being missed

2010-05-16 Thread WereSpielChequers
been raised in the woods by bears. But that had only been up for a few months, nowadays I very rarely find vandalism that has been up for a whole year. WereSpielChequers ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing

[WikiEN-l] declining numbers of active EN wiki admins

2010-05-28 Thread WereSpielChequers
have enough admins to do the urgent admin tasks for quite some time to come; But I can see us becoming more dependant on the occasional admin who can clear a 100 article backlog at CSD in an hour or two, and I fear a growing divide between admins and others. WereSpielChequers Date: Wed, 26 May

[WikiEN-l] declining numbers of EN wiki admins - The theory that making it easier to get rid of admins is a solution to the decline in their active numbers

2010-05-30 Thread WereSpielChequers
to a Yank and a Brit. But a desysop first and ask questions later strategy would in my view generate far more drama than would be justified by the results. WereSpielChequers IMHO, etc... The fundamental problem is the difficulty in *removing* SysOp, which *makes* it a big deal. If it really

[WikiEN-l] for years been promoting admins who go with the flow rather than challenge low level bad behavior by admins and long standing users

2010-07-15 Thread WereSpielChequers
that didn't merit a block are rarely discovered; So either they don't happen or more likely no-one spots them. -- WereSpielChequers ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https

[WikiEN-l] Fwd: Random jury

2010-08-16 Thread WereSpielChequers
for more false positives, but I suspect I'm not the only Wikipedian who would welcome a somewhat beefed up approach to sockpuppetry. WereSpielChequers ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https

Re: [WikiEN-l] Superusers?

2010-08-20 Thread WereSpielChequers
their account as AutoPatrolled is in itself community building; Two of the editors I marked as Autopatrollers in late 09 or early this year have since become admins. Regards WereSpielChequers On 20 August 2010 09:47, FastLizard4 fastliza...@gmail.com wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE

Re: [WikiEN-l] Superusers?

2010-08-20 Thread WereSpielChequers
don't just need to show that the much larger number of jury members would be available, you also need to identify a benefit for this proposal, and that benefit would need to be more than commensurate with the disbenefits that I've identified. WereSpielChequers On 20 August 2010 18:13, Ian Woollard

Re: [WikiEN-l] Superusers?

2010-08-21 Thread WereSpielChequers
WereSpielChequers. On 20 August 2010 19:37, Ian Woollard ian.wooll...@gmail.com wrote: I still don't think that they're required for that. The fact is that most vandalism and attack page detection and fixing is done by non admins, so it's just a question of giving users appropriate powers to deal with those

[WikiEN-l] Replacing admins with a slower less efficient method for blocking vandals and deleting attack pages

2010-08-24 Thread WereSpielChequers
. WereSpielChequers Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 On 21/08/2010, Carcharoth carcharot...@googlemail.com wrote: Is it possible to have the ability to blank an attack page and keep it locked until an admin looks at it and deletes it? The point is not to have admins. You could just have it so

Re: [WikiEN-l] Replacing admins with a slower less efficient method for blocking vandals and deleting attack pages

2010-08-24 Thread WereSpielChequers
things on AN/I). My comments were in response to the idea of replacing admins with juries to delete attack pages and block vandals. WereSpielChequers On 24 August 2010 15:41, Carcharoth carcharot...@googlemail.com wrote: All those concerns are addressed by the idea I proposed where people can

Re: [WikiEN-l] New tool: Write before you revert

2010-08-31 Thread WereSpielChequers
I'm prett suspect that the vast majority of reverts on EN wiki are reversion of vandalism by hugglers and other patrollers at newpage patrol. I don't think it would be a good idea to discourage those who do that accurately. Giving feedback to those with an excessive error rate is useful - but not

Re: [WikiEN-l] Little edits or big edits in the mainspace?

2010-09-17 Thread WereSpielChequers
or other places where edit conflicts are likely. The only time when I'd recommend making a really big edit in mainspace is when creating a new article. The risk of incorrect speedy tags is so high that it is worth the risk of not saving for an hour or so. WereSpielChequers On 17 September 2010 22

Re: [WikiEN-l] “Can you imagine the president of t he American Camellia Society having three stuffed bears in the courthouse?”

2010-09-18 Thread WereSpielChequers
by http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rosalie_von_Rauch which has been up since 2006. Plus I've fixed a typo of July 31 and removed an unsourced DOB WereSpielChequers On 18 September 2010 14:50, Ian Woollard ian.wooll...@gmail.com wrote: On 18/09/2010, Carcharoth carcharot...@googlemail.com wrote

Re: [WikiEN-l] “Can you imagine the president of t he American Camellia Society having three stuffed bears in the courthouse?”

2010-09-18 Thread WereSpielChequers
I've just tracked down one anomaly to 2005, as the user hasn't edited since 2008 I've just quietly removed that particular redlinked battle from the relevant list. Good news is that April 31 has only 47 anomalies. I think this could be a big project. WereSpielChequers On 18 September 2010 17

[WikiEN-l] Number of names in one sentence

2010-10-18 Thread WereSpielChequers
the article. I think it is reassuring to have multiple names up front - people will come to an article from various redirects so having multiple possible names in the lede gives our readers reassurance that they are on the right page. WereSpielChequers

Re: [WikiEN-l] Amazonified Wikipedia

2010-12-03 Thread WereSpielChequers
When I clicked on the Wikipedia link at the top of the article it took me to the article on Wikipedia. I hope that this brings us some extra editors, I'm sure it will bring us an unknown number of extra viewers. WeeSpielChequers On 3 December 2010 16:22, David Gerard dger...@gmail.com wrote:

Re: [WikiEN-l] Amazonified Wikipedia

2010-12-04 Thread WereSpielChequers
, or parts of it, is Amazon doing anything different? If not have we brought this to their attention? WereSpielChequers On 4 December 2010 10:28, Mike Dupont jamesmikedup...@googlemail.com wrote: The citation for wikipedia according to wikipedia would look like this: James Joyce. (2010, December 3

Re: [WikiEN-l] What proportion of articles are stubs?

2010-12-04 Thread WereSpielChequers
it was down to 11.3%. WereSpielChequers On 29 November 2010 19:15, Andrew Gray andrew.g...@dunelm.org.uk wrote: On 29 November 2010 17:33, Charles Matthews charles.r.matth...@ntlworld.com wrote: Stubs and how to handle them seem to be controversial still (or again), which is rather surprising

Re: [WikiEN-l] What proportion of articles are stubs?

2010-12-05 Thread WereSpielChequers
more complete than an unreferenced article of three times the length. WereSpielChequers On 4 December 2010 12:05, Peter Jacobi peter_jac...@gmx.net wrote: WereSpielChequers, All, 1 The size of the database in gigabytes has been growing faster than the the number of articles This is a weak

Re: [WikiEN-l] Using Wikipedia as a Marketing Tool

2010-12-07 Thread WereSpielChequers
at work, or to edit in your real name. WereSpielChequers On 7 December 2010 16:31, Fred Bauder fredb...@fairpoint.net wrote: http://www.inc.com/managing/articles/201001/wikipedia.html '“Wikipedia is a complex culture, and sometimes it can feel like the free encyclopedia everyone can edit -- except

Re: [WikiEN-l] GLAM Wiki UK 2010

2010-12-08 Thread WereSpielChequers
Wiki meetings in London. Also we are now collaborating more closely with the UK chapter and they always seem to have someone at London meetups. Carcharoth and anyone else who is in the vicinity, it would be nice to meet you if you can join us at one of these. WereSpielChequers On 8 December 2010

Re: [WikiEN-l] Britannica tries for Indian market

2010-12-12 Thread WereSpielChequers
market. Can't say I'd be tempted, but perhaps the Indian market puts less value on the word free? WereSpielChequers On 12 December 2010 16:52, David Gerard dger...@gmail.com wrote: http://www.business-standard.com/india/news/britannica-to-give-wikipediarun-for-its-money/417969/ Bundling

Re: [WikiEN-l] [Foundation-l] Old Wikipedia backups discovered

2010-12-14 Thread WereSpielChequers
Can these edits be imported into wikipedia in time for the tenth anniversary? I'm assuming some will relate to pages that have since been moved or deleted so I appreciate this won't be an easy project. WereSpielChequers On 14 December 2010 16:16, Michael Snow wikipe...@frontier.com wrote

Re: [WikiEN-l] Strange article title rendering

2010-12-20 Thread WereSpielChequers
. WereSpielChequers On 20 December 2010 13:41, Carcharoth carcharot...@googlemail.com wrote: On Mon, Dec 20, 2010 at 1:39 PM, Carcharoth carcharot...@googlemail.com wrote: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Morse_code When I go to the above page, the bit at the top (the title) reads as follows: MediaWiki

Re: [WikiEN-l] Eschatology and Wikipedia - Liquid threads

2010-12-22 Thread WereSpielChequers
it did work this time) there were a fraction of the messages I get on EN wiki. I'd hate to think how slow things would be if it was implemented on EN wiki. WereSpielChequers On 22 December 2010 11:49, Carcharoth carcharot...@googlemail.com wrote: On jargon, I still think Neutral point of view

[WikiEN-l] IPs creating articles

2011-01-11 Thread WereSpielChequers
Actually it happens quite frequently, usually with IPs turning redirects into articles. Though I've also seen articles that started by an IP creating the talkpage. WereSpielChequers On 11 January 2011 01:57, Tony Sidaway tonysida...@gmail.com wrote: You're right, Gwern. It is not possible

Re: [WikiEN-l] Wired on the Spanish mutiny

2011-01-24 Thread WereSpielChequers
at least a secondary motivation of improving their writing skills in the language they are editing in - I might try and get a question on this into one of our user surveys. WereSpielChequers On 23 January 2011 13:39, Charles Matthews charles.r.matth...@ntlworld.com wrote: On 23/01/2011 05:13

Re: [WikiEN-l] Pew surveys, 2007 and 2010

2011-01-29 Thread WereSpielChequers
37% to 53% in three years sounds pretty good to me. Especially as the other 47% will include some who choose not to consult any sort of reference at all. WSC On 17 January 2011 03:48, Tony Sidaway tonysida...@gmail.com wrote: Few organizations track Wikipedia usage.  Pew has carried out a

Re: [WikiEN-l] Wikipedia Leadership (was NY Times article on gender gap in Wikipedia contributors} - repost

2011-02-02 Thread WereSpielChequers
support a change but accept that the community doesn't agree with them, and rather less sympathy with those who try to impose what they believe is right even if they know that the majority oppose them. WereSpielChequers On 2 February 2011 02:59, Marc Riddell michaeldavi...@comcast.net wrote: on 2/1

[WikiEN-l] gendergap RFA reform and the RFA drought

2011-02-02 Thread WereSpielChequers
=sysopcreationSort=1 But to get back to the gendergap issue, the good news is that two of our four new admins are female. WereSpielChequers ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https

Re: [WikiEN-l] Tabloid sources (was Wikipedia leadership})

2011-02-04 Thread WereSpielChequers
, or anything published on April 1st. But my understanding is that they are somewhat more scrupulous on sports and obits coverage, so has signed for yyy FC or died is probably usable. As for the gossip and trivia, do we really want that anyway? WereSpielChequers. On 4 February 2011 13:25

Re: [WikiEN-l] Wikipedia and robots

2011-02-09 Thread WereSpielChequers
Just as we have no way of knowing which of our editors are AIs who have passed the Turing test, I doubt if they will be able to tell which of their editors are humans who can pass a reverse Turing test. Incidentally one of my friends who is in that line of work reckoned that there probably isn't

[WikiEN-l] Maintaining and ensuring technical accuracy of articles?

2011-02-09 Thread WereSpielChequers
://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Database_reports/Living_people_on_EN_wiki_who_are_dead_on_other_wikis We also have the typo team and the BLP noticeboard among many different ways in which Wikipedians can collaborate to improve the pedia. WereSpielChequers On 9 February 2011 18:48, Ian Woollard

Re: [WikiEN-l] Rating the English wikipedia

2011-02-14 Thread WereSpielChequers
of the pedia. But the ratings won't give us that. WereSpielChequers On 14 February 2011 17:04, Ian Woollard ian.wooll...@gmail.com wrote: On 14/02/2011, Newyorkbrad newyorkb...@gmail.com wrote: True, but how well is the distinction understood by people who apply the templates or rate the articles? I'm

Re: [WikiEN-l] Rating the English wikipedia

2011-02-14 Thread WereSpielChequers
to bring in a new wave of editors then the model would break and it would be possible to think in terms of how many potential articles qualify. WereSpielChequers On 14 February 2011 21:54, David Gerard dger...@gmail.com wrote: On 14 February 2011 20:48, Gwern Branwen gwe...@gmail.com wrote

Re: [WikiEN-l] Scale of online resources, was Re: Rating the English wikipedia

2011-02-17 Thread WereSpielChequers
around. I suspect the ultimate size of the pedia depends at least as much on the way we treat new editors as it does on the availability of easily accessible sources. WereSpielChequers On 17 February 2011 09:38, Charles Matthews charles.r.matth...@ntlworld.com wrote: On 16/02/2011 23:56, Carcharoth

Re: [WikiEN-l] Announcement: Survey study on the categorization of contributors to Wikipedia

2011-02-18 Thread WereSpielChequers
by anonymous authors, would it be ethical to disown them now and prevent them from being part of the project? WereSpielChequers On 18 February 2011 08:26, Bob the Wikipedian bobthewikiped...@gmail.com wrote: The first survey's fine. :-) I'm merely suggesting you put out a second survey once

[WikiEN-l] editing wikipedia by thought

2011-02-27 Thread WereSpielChequers
be designed to give contrast that works for various forms of colour blindness, and there are still lots of images in wikipedia that need alt text for people using text readers. WereSpielChequers Message: 1 Date: Sun, 27 Feb 2011 00:35:18 + From: Carcharoth carcharot...@googlemail.com Subject

Re: [WikiEN-l] Reg. Research using Wikipedia

2011-03-10 Thread WereSpielChequers
://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Database_reports Hope that helps. WereSpielChequers On 9 March 2011 10:10, ramesh kumar ramesh_ch...@hotmail.com wrote: Dear Members, I am a PhD student in a reputed university. My Research is on blog classification using Wikipedia Categories.As

Re: [WikiEN-l] The viable competitors to Wikipedia.

2011-04-08 Thread WereSpielChequers
. WereSpielChequers ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l

Re: [WikiEN-l] The viable competitors to Wikipedia. - maintanability of BLPs

2011-04-08 Thread WereSpielChequers
. WereSpielChequers On 8 April 2011 11:30, Tom Morris t...@tommorris.org wrote: On Fri, Apr 8, 2011 at 11:09, WereSpielChequers werespielchequ...@gmail.com wrote: Other options would be for a site that ended the inclusionism/deletionism conflict by abandoning notability and concentrating on verifiability

Re: [WikiEN-l] How to start a viable competitor to Wikipedia? Step 1 allow people to edit

2011-04-09 Thread WereSpielChequers
. WereSpielChequers On 9 April 2011 00:08, Sarah slimvir...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Apr 8, 2011 at 15:57, Bob the Wikipedian bobthewikiped...@gmail.com wrote: Already been done, Conservapedia. The most disgusting mockery of conservatives I've ever seen. Then again, isn't this one of the sites Jimbo runs

Re: [WikiEN-l] Wikipedia survey

2011-04-26 Thread WereSpielChequers
Hi Michala, 1 I started editing Wikipedia articles because I saw a small improvement I could make. 2 I don't know how many articles I have edited, but it will be a large number. Not as large as the number of edits I've made, you can see that at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:EDITS but

Re: [WikiEN-l] Wikipedia article on [[Santorum (neologism)]]

2011-05-25 Thread WereSpielChequers
disquiet about that editor notified them of this thread? WereSpielChequers On 25 May 2011 19:51, Andreas Kolbe jayen...@yahoo.com wrote: --- On Wed, 25/5/11, The Cunctator cuncta...@gmail.com wrote: Let's just delete articles we don't like. It would simplify the wikilawyering. You see, I

Re: [WikiEN-l] Wikipedia article on [[Santorum (neologism)]]

2011-05-25 Thread WereSpielChequers
a redirect explicitly require that editors are notified about discussions about them. ANI by contrast explicitly requires people to notify the editor who you are making a complaint about. May I suggest that we do the same? WereSpielChequers On 25 May 2011 21:17, Fred Bauder fredb...@fairpoint.net wrote

Re: [WikiEN-l] Wikipedia article on [[Santorum (neologism)]]

2011-05-26 Thread WereSpielChequers
close this thread or focus it on the issue of how we prevent this list for being used for forum shopping and canvassing? WereSpielChequers On 25 May 2011 23:56, Richard Farmbrough rich...@farmbrough.co.uk wrote: Presumably we are evaluating the arguments that are not /ad hominem /on their merits

Re: [WikiEN-l] The general population AfD

2011-06-01 Thread WereSpielChequers
that deleting fewer articles is the will of the people I'm not sure we get that many mistakes at AFD. I'm more worried about CSD, and to a lesser extent prods and turning articles into redirects. WereSpielChequers On 1 June 2011 20:07, Gwern Branwen gwe...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, May 27, 2011 at 9

Re: [WikiEN-l] BLP extension suggestion

2011-06-03 Thread WereSpielChequers
flames are added to the fire, such as it provoking a sea change in Wikipedia policy, it will fade into obscurity. WereSpielChequers On 3 June 2011 01:11, Rob gamali...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Jun 2, 2011 at 5:35 PM, Ken Arromdee arrom...@rahul.net wrote:    Avoid victimization    When writing

Re: [WikiEN-l] BLP extension suggestion

2011-06-03 Thread WereSpielChequers
be surprised if they didn't consider such things as when a webpage was last updated. WSC On 3 June 2011 16:28, Ken Arromdee arrom...@rahul.net wrote: On Fri, 3 Jun 2011, WereSpielChequers wrote: 8 letters, three syllables doth not a four letter word make, and the term itself is somewhat more

Re: [WikiEN-l] BLP extension suggestion

2011-06-04 Thread WereSpielChequers
I've just tested two searches in google. Rick Santorum had our article on the person in second place and our article on the neologism in third place. For Santorum we again had the second and third spots, but the order was reversed. In both cases Google gave prime place to a website about the

Re: [WikiEN-l] schema.org - anything here for us?

2011-06-04 Thread WereSpielChequers
Thanks for raising this, if the main search engines are collaborating on this together then it will probably work. But it makes me wonder: Are other sites implementing this? Am I correct in thinking that implementing this would further our mission by making relevant parts of our data more likely

Re: [WikiEN-l] Developer/Wiki relationship (was: Deployments today)

2011-07-03 Thread WereSpielChequers
editors - no objections to it being the default for readers if they were the people it was designed for. WereSpielChequers On 3 July 2011 18:24, MuZemike muzem...@gmail.com wrote: On 7/1/2011 2:32 PM, Thomas Morton wrote: Very little discussion ocurrred r.e. rolling this out. For example

Re: [WikiEN-l] Developer/Wiki relationship (was: Deployments today)

2011-07-04 Thread WereSpielChequers
after Monobook :P On Mon, Jul 4, 2011 at 4:41 AM, WereSpielChequers werespielchequ...@gmail.com wrote: This reminds me somewhat of the Vector rollout, I've just today come across another example of why we need to upgrade newbies to Monobook once they start editing. Monobook has a rather

Re: [WikiEN-l] Article Feedback - Ramp up to 10% of Articles

2011-07-14 Thread WereSpielChequers
less than ten ratings even if trialled for a couple of months. Lastly we need to be prepared for sockpuppetry, especially as these are random unsigned votes with no rationale. Can we have assurances that something is being built into the scheme to combat this? Regards WereSpielChequers On 14 July

Re: [WikiEN-l] Article Feedback - Ramp up to 10% of Articles

2011-07-14 Thread WereSpielChequers
/2011 7:56 AM, WereSpielChequers wrote: Do we have stats yet that measure whether this is encouraging editing, or diverting even more people from improving the pedia to critiquing it? Remember there is a risk that this could exacerbate the templating trend. Just as we need to value edits

Re: [WikiEN-l] Article Feedback - Ramp up to 10% of Articles

2011-07-18 Thread WereSpielChequers
. WSC On 15 July 2011 10:28, Ray Saintonge sainto...@telus.net wrote: On 07/14/11 5:56 AM, WereSpielChequers wrote: Do we have stats yet that measure whether this is encouraging editing, or diverting even more people from improving the pedia to critiquing it? It's difficult to see any logical

Re: [WikiEN-l] Article Feedback - Ramp up to 10% of Articles

2011-07-27 Thread WereSpielChequers
Actually there are a number of other tests we need to run before we know whether Article Rating really is a net positive or a net negative. I hoped they would compare the 100,000 with a control sample to see which gets more edits:

Re: [WikiEN-l] Editing anonymously though having an account and other moral dilemmas.

2011-08-24 Thread WereSpielChequers
I think one key question is whether you have already edited this article in such a way that this sockpuppetry might verge into abusive sockpuppetry - i.e. two accounts that appear to support each others arguments/edits being secretly controlled by the same person. If not, or if your only edits to

Re: [WikiEN-l] Get payed $150 for writing an article!

2011-09-16 Thread WereSpielChequers
That's an interesting bunch of posts. I've pre-emptively salted one where the company name was in the posting. They weren't all trying to commission spam though. Some of them are for using Wikipedia, including a mirror for mobile apps, others for creating Wikipedia like stuff including one chap

Re: [WikiEN-l] Academic study: Wikipedia cancer information accurate but hard to read

2011-09-16 Thread WereSpielChequers
Nice to know we are as accurate and more up-to-date than the competition. I'd love to see further work done on the 2% of information where we currently differ from the textbooks, hopefully most of that will just be that the textbooks are out of date. But it would be good to have that confirmed and

Re: [WikiEN-l] Academic study: Wikipedia cancer information accurate but hard to read

2011-09-17 Thread WereSpielChequers
There is also the idea that the lead should be written for a more general audience than the rest of the article. I don't know if our cancer articles follow that style, but I find that in many articles in subjects where I'm an ignoramus I can grasp the lead but get lost if I try to finish the page.

Re: [WikiEN-l] Difficulty making structural changes to WP due to human nature?

2011-09-18 Thread WereSpielChequers
to oppose candidates who don't meet certain thresholds of tenure and editcountitis. WereSpielChequers ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien

Re: [WikiEN-l] clearing backlogs of articles - was Scope of this mailing list

2011-09-26 Thread WereSpielChequers
but I'm happy to defend your right to say it. TTFN WereSpielChequers On 22 September 2011 01:31, Phil Nash phn...@blueyonder.co.uk wrote: Carcharoth wrote: On Sat, Sep 17, 2011 at 1:13 AM, Phil Nash phn...@blueyonder.co.uk wrote: snip [[User:Rodhullandemu]] - still flying the flag

Re: [WikiEN-l] finding the most recognizable page names

2011-09-30 Thread WereSpielChequers
that don't use American English spelling. Better still would be to get page views from the USA, or at least page views ignoring the 6 hours when the US is most likely to be asleep. WereSpielChequers On 30 September 2011 04:17, Michael Katz michaeladamk...@yahoo.com wrote: I'm making a crossword

Re: [WikiEN-l] finding the most recognizable page names

2011-09-30 Thread WereSpielChequers
Yes, but for the purpose of creating a creating a game that may not be an issue. Michael asked how to get a list of recognisable topics to build a game with, not how to list all 3.7 million article names in order of recognisability. WereSpielChequers On 30 September 2011 11:11, Scott MacDonald

Re: [WikiEN-l] --Wikipedia Manager 2012

2011-09-30 Thread WereSpielChequers
as many edits to get into the top 8,000 today as it did to get into the top 4,000 in early 2008. I don't know if the other features you wanted exist, but if there is demand they may well do already. WereSpielChequers On 30 September 2011 17:46, Bod Notbod bodnot...@gmail.com wrote: Good day

Re: [WikiEN-l] --Wikipedia Manager 2012

2011-10-01 Thread WereSpielChequers
We have FA for those who want to focus on one article, we have http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:CUP as a somewhat game like process for content contributors. What aspect of content contribution do we not have a game like feature for? WereSpielChequers On 1 October 2011 17:01, Thomas

Re: [WikiEN-l] --Wikipedia Manager 2012

2011-10-01 Thread WereSpielChequers
?user=WereSpielChequers I've just come across it in the Stewards elections, so it is both somewhat specialised and at the same time something that editors from many different wikis can appreciate and clearly many are judging each other by. You could argue that it is a function of editcount

Re: [WikiEN-l] --Wikipedia Manager 2012

2011-10-01 Thread WereSpielChequers
is in my old hobby horse of Computer Based Training. I'd love to see the scout movement awarding vandalfighter and Wikipedia editor badges to scouts who've done the training and then demonstrated their new skill. WereSpielChequers On 1 October 2011 20:03, Steven Walling steven.wall...@gmail.com wrote

Re: [WikiEN-l] Facepalm?

2011-10-03 Thread WereSpielChequers
that we keep it and try to resolve the conflicts rather than the symptoms of those conflicts. WereSpielChequers On 3 October 2011 11:07, Thomas Morton morton.tho...@googlemail.com wrote: On 3 October 2011 11:02, Scott MacDonald doc.wikipe...@ntlworld.com wrote: According to our article

Re: [WikiEN-l] Italian Wikipedia - probably best discussed on Foundation

2011-10-05 Thread WereSpielChequers
discussion? I'm not trying to squash discussion here, but if people do discuss it here without reading the posts by the Italians, by Sue and many others on Foundation then I suspect a fair amount will be repetition and explanation of what has been said on Foundation. WereSpielChequers On 5 October 2011

[WikiEN-l] a formal, structured full-oversight body was Facepalm

2011-10-30 Thread WereSpielChequers
that a candidate had a tendency to unfairness would probably tank any candidate for Arbcom. WereSpielchequers On 28 October 2011 18:52, Marc Riddell michaeldavi...@comcast.net wrote: On Fri, Oct 28, 2011 at 4:10 PM, Marc Riddell michaeldavi...@comcast.net wrote: I agree with you

Re: [WikiEN-l] Tag removals by readers (was: Newbie recruitment: referencing)

2011-11-03 Thread WereSpielChequers
need a template or hidden cat for unsuccessful deorphaning attempts. WereSpielChequers On 3 November 2011 13:00, Carcharoth carcharot...@googlemail.com wrote: On Thu, Nov 3, 2011 at 12:31 PM, Andrew Gray andrew.g...@dunelm.org.uk wrote: On 3 November 2011 11:10, Carcharoth carcharot

Re: [WikiEN-l] Regarding Berkman/Sciences Po study

2011-12-10 Thread WereSpielChequers
@Geni. http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Research:Omnibus_Survey was my preferred alternative, but it was considered unacceptable by the Research Committee. Are you really determined to stop such research altogether or could you compromise on one annual survey? Cheers WereSpielChequers On 10

Re: [WikiEN-l] Article Landing Pages - functional prototype to test and comment on

2012-03-10 Thread WereSpielChequers
readers will read and where many of the mistakes will disappear via deletion? WereSpielChequers On 10 March 2012 11:16, Oliver Keyes oke...@wikimedia.org wrote: Hey guys So, as you know, we have issues with how new pages are treated on Wikipedia. A lot of the pages created by new editors simply

Re: [WikiEN-l] Article Landing Pages - functional prototype to test and comment on

2012-03-10 Thread WereSpielChequers
: On Sat, Mar 10, 2012 at 10:51 PM, WereSpielChequers werespielchequ...@gmail.com wrote: Before we go to such a restrictive closed wiki approach I'd really like to understand why the WMF has made such an abrupt Uturn on openness. I'd also like to see an answer from the great unanswered question

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