Re: [Wikimedia-l] Changes in the Board

hi, Since I am one of the few people in the movement who spoke to Arnnon face-to-face, I want to write that he is a really modest, while sparking-bright person, explicitly enthusiastic about Wikimedia and free knowledge. I want to thank him for his maturity and confirming in action the

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Was the Wikimedia Foundation's removal of membership in 2006 legal?

On Wed, Jan 27, 2016 at 1:30 PM, SarahSV wrote: > On Wed, Jan 27, 2016 at 8:28 AM, Florence Devouard > wrote: > > I read you Sarah. Good point. Hmmm. > > But ianal... > > > > I am sure it was discussed back then, but I forgot the details. > > > > I

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Changes in the Board

Thankyou Arnnon. I imagine it can't have been a pleasant decision for you to make when you obviously feel that you have a lot to contribute, but I think your decision is in the best interests of the Foundation and of the movement generally, and for that I am appreciative. Cheers, Craig Franklin

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Changes in the Board

For once, I think any +1 message will be useful to demonstrate how this decision was expected by a large number of people, across several language community. Thanks Charles > Le 27 janv. 2016 à 21:52, Patricio Lorente a > écrit : > > Dear All, > >

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Changes in the Board

On 1/27/2016 1:44 PM, Kat Walsh wrote: Thank you, Patricio. And thank you, Arnnon. I am sure this must have been difficult for you, that you had every intention of bringing your best work to the role, and that your considerable experience and skills would have been valuable. I appreciate your

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Changes in the Board

On 01/27/2016 03:52 PM, Patricio Lorente wrote: Dear All, Throughout the discussion about the appointment of Arnnon Geshuri to the Board of Trustees, the Board has carefully listened to you and discussed internally. Earlier today, Arnnon decided to step down from the Board. Thank you to

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Update from the Board

Indeed, Steinsplitter, they are 'buying time' hoping they can sweep everything under the rug within a week, unfortunately for them, a few news sites have picked up on the drama including BBCArrnon may have step down, but the issue is still there, what's to stop WMF from hiring another person

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikimedia Announcements] Affiliations Committee appointments, January 2016

congratulations to all new members and re-appointed members. > Hello everyone, > > I'm pleased to announce that, following the recent call for applications, > the following candidates have been appointed to seats on the Affiliations > Committee: > > - Salvador Alcantar Morán (re-appointment) > -

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Was the Wikimedia Foundation's removal of membership in 2006 legal?

Le 27/01/16 12:59, SarahSV a écrit : On Wed, Jan 27, 2016 at 1:58 AM, Florence Devouard wrote: Hi Adam The WMF has never been a membership based organization. ​Hi Anthere, The bylaws as of September 2004 said: [1] "​ This membership [ ​v​ olunteer active membership]

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Changes in the Board

+1. Shani. On 28 Jan 2016 08:18, "Michael Snow" wrote: > On 1/27/2016 1:44 PM, Kat Walsh wrote: > >> Thank you, Patricio. >> >> And thank you, Arnnon. I am sure this must have been difficult for >> you, that you had every intention of bringing your best work to the >>

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Affiliates] Wikimedia Bangladesh has a new Executive Committee

Wow, three friends already! :) Congratulations everyone. Looking forward to hear more on the new EC's work soon. Best, Subha On 1/27/2016 7:02 PM, Tanvir Rahman wrote: > Dear all, > > It is my pleasure to inform you that the Wikimedia Bangladesh has a > new Executive Committee (aka Board) to

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Affiliates] Wikimedia Bangladesh has a new Executive Committee

Congratulations and thanks to the new Bangladeshi board. Risker/Anne On 27 January 2016 at 12:46, Subhashish Panigrahi wrote: > Wow, three friends already! :) > > Congratulations everyone. Looking forward to hear more on the new EC's > work soon. > > Best, > Subha > >

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Message from Arnnon Geshuri to the Wikimedia Community

On 26 January 2016 at 19:07, Arnnon Geshuri wrote: > Regarding the concerns that have been raised, I have listened closely. > That said, in my opinion, there are some misconceptions and there are > mitigating considerations. As a general matter, I will say that, >

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Was the Wikimedia Foundation's removal of membership in 2006 legal?

On Wed, Jan 27, 2016 at 8:28 AM, Florence Devouard wrote: I read you Sarah. Good point. Hmmm. > But ianal... > > I am sure it was discussed back then, but I forgot the details. > > I contacted Brad on Facebook to suggest him to read the list. Perhaps he > might be willing to

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Message from Arnnon Geshuri to the Wikimedia Community

On 26.01.2016 21:54, Fæ wrote: > Press coverage like the BBC's this evening which leads with Jimmy > Wales' face, have damaged the WMF's reputation and our projects that > rely on "Wikimedia" remaining a trusted name.[1][2] Published today on numerama.com, top digital news web site (2 millions

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Message from Arnnon Geshuri to the Wikimedia Community

Even if it is a bit long-winded, I could not agree more. Thank you, Mike. Austin On Wed, Jan 27, 2016 at 8:39 AM, Michael Snow wrote: > Hello Arnnon, > > It is good to hear something directly from you. I am sure your intentions > in the position you were appointed to

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Message from Arnnon Geshuri to the Wikimedia Community

It is not just in BBC and numerama, it is all over the web: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Requests_for_comment/Vote_of_no_confidence_on_Arnnon_Geshuri#Press Bad PR for WMF and WP :-/ To: wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org From: kel...@kiwix.org Date: Wed, 27 Jan 2016 20:25:05 +0100 Subject: Re:

[Wikimedia-l] Changes in the Board

Dear All, Throughout the discussion about the appointment of Arnnon Geshuri to the Board of Trustees, the Board has carefully listened to you and discussed internally. Earlier today, Arnnon decided to step down from the Board. To paraphrase his words, he doesn't want to be a distraction for the

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Update from the Board

On Tue, Jan 26, 2016 at 4:21 PM, Dariusz Jemielniak wrote: > hi Lodewijk, > On Tue, Jan 26, 2016 at 3:28 PM, Lodewijk > wrote: > > > thanks for the update. It's been quite a while - and you don't seem to > give > > a clear time table for further

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Changes in the Board

On Wed, Jan 27, 2016 at 8:54 PM, Milos Rancic wrote: > Thank you, Arnnon! Indeed. Thank you, Arnnon, and best wishes to you. Given that this matter is concluded, can the board now please come to a decision on whether the Knight Foundation grant letter and grant application

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Changes in the Board

> > Throughout the discussion about the appointment of Arnnon Geshuri to the > Board of Trustees, the Board has carefully listened to you and discussed > internally. Earlier today, Arnnon decided to step down from the Board. To > paraphrase his words, he doesn't want to be a distraction for the

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Changes in the Board

Thank you Arnnon for helping us move forward. Sydney Sydney Poore User:FloNight Wikipedian in Residence at Cochrane Collaboration On Wed, Jan 27, 2016 at 3:54 PM, Milos Rancic wrote: > Thank you, Arnnon! > > On Wed, Jan 27, 2016 at 9:52 PM, Patricio Lorente >

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Changes in the Board

On 27/01/2016 21:04, Andreas Kolbe wrote: On Wed, Jan 27, 2016 at 8:54 PM, Milos Rancic wrote: Thank you, Arnnon! Indeed. Thank you, Arnnon, and best wishes to you. This is a reminder that very little touched by Google remains untainted, in the UK we hope that

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Changes in the Board

Thank you Arnnon. Vito Il 27/01/2016 21:52, Patricio Lorente ha scritto: Dear All, Throughout the discussion about the appointment of Arnnon Geshuri to the Board of Trustees, the Board has carefully listened to you and discussed internally. Earlier today, Arnnon decided to step down from the

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Changes in the Board

Thank you for the update. I'm sure that it has been difficult for all involved. Best wishes, /a On Wed, Jan 27, 2016 at 1:11 PM, Lilburne wrote: > On 27/01/2016 21:04, Andreas Kolbe wrote: > >> On Wed, Jan 27, 2016 at 8:54 PM, Milos Rancic

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Changes in the Board

Thank you, Arnnon! On Wed, Jan 27, 2016 at 9:52 PM, Patricio Lorente wrote: > Dear All, > > Throughout the discussion about the appointment of Arnnon Geshuri to the > Board of Trustees, the Board has carefully listened to you and discussed > internally. Earlier today,

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Changes in the Board

Thank you Patricio and Arnnon, and good luck and best wishes to Arnnon. ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines New messages to: Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe:

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Changes in the Board

Thank you, Patricio. And thank you, Arnnon. I am sure this must have been difficult for you, that you had every intention of bringing your best work to the role, and that your considerable experience and skills would have been valuable. I appreciate your willingness to step up to the task, which

[Wikimedia-l] Can we see the Knight grant application and grant offer?

Just copying part of Andreas's comment from another thread: "...can the board now please come to a decision on whether the Knight Foundation grant letter and grant application documents will be posted on Meta, and if not, provide an explanation to the community why they cannot be made public?

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Was the Wikimedia Foundation's removal of membership in 2006 legal?

On Wed, Jan 27, 2016 at 1:58 AM, Florence Devouard wrote: > Hi Adam > > The WMF has never been a membership based organization. > > > ​Hi Anthere, The bylaws as of September 2004 said: [1] "​ This membership [ ​v​ olunteer active membership] shall consist of all persons

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Message from Arnnon Geshuri to the Wikimedia Community

I was considering whether to comment again on this thread, but with this message I do not have to; I think it lays everything out sensitively and thoughtfully, and I agree with everything in it. -Kat On Tue, Jan 26, 2016 at 11:39 PM, Michael Snow wrote: > Hello Arnnon,

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Message from Arnnon Geshuri to the Wikimedia Community

Arnnon Geshuri writes: > Hi Arnnon - nicely worded message! I can't imagine that you're feeling too great right now, but I want to give you a little hope. Wikipedia can be a forgiving place - many have been blocked and banned only to return later for second or third chances.

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Was the Wikimedia Foundation's removal of membership in 2006 legal?

"As a current WMF staff member, and having received a formal scolding two weeks ago for expressing my professional and personal opinions on this list--that a hierarchical corporate structure is completely inappropriate and ineffectual for running the Foundation--I don't feel safe editorializing

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Message from Arnnon Geshuri to the Wikimedia Community

I appreciate that you have responded to the community outcry, though I fear that the flowery rhetoric was not only lost on me, it also seems to be obfusacting on the serious matters raised. The substantial matters themselves rated a direct mention or a skerrick of acknowledgement. I believe that

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Update from the Board

I am not satisfied at all by this update. I have the feeling the Board want to wait until the community cools down. The boar was very fast in kicking out James for no obvious reason. But for removing Arnnon Geshuri (per community consensus, after a lot of drama) weeks are needed. The Board and

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Message from Arnnon Geshuri to the Wikimedia Community

I want + Fae's recent post which is attached below. > From: fae...@gmail.com > Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2016 20:54:03 + > To: wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org > Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-l] Message from Arnnon Geshuri to the Wikimedia > Community > > On 26 January 2016 at 19:07, Arnnon Geshuri

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Update from the Board

Alice, et al Ars Technica have now reported on Arnnon's statement, and your statement.[1] Their previous article[2] touches on the Meta discussion. Le Monde has also published an article on this debacle,[3] as a result of the original Ars Technica piece. Please take the time to read the

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Message from Arnnon Geshuri to the Wikimedia Community

I cannot word it better than Michael Snow, so I won't try. Kind regards Ziko 2016-01-27 8:39 GMT+01:00 Michael Snow : > Hello Arnnon, > > It is good to hear something directly from you. I am sure your intentions in > the position you were appointed to are positive and

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Message from Arnnon Geshuri to the Wikimedia Community

Hi Ben, Arnnon - There will be at least two bay area editathons in March, which I'll announce when I finalize the details of. At least one of them is going to be at least partially closed due to the nature of the host, but one should be fully open... and Arnnon, you are invited to both of them.

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Was the Wikimedia Foundation's removal of membership in 2006 legal?

From the discussion on the creation of Wikimedia I remember that there definitely was an intention to have members involved in the election of the board. Apart from the appointed board members, there would be two community selected members - one chosen by the editing community, the other by the

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Message from Arnnon Geshuri to the Wikimedia Community

On Tue, Jan 26, 2016 at 8:54 PM, Fæ wrote: > P.S. How is that nobody can work out who nominated/invited Geshuri for > the trustee position? There can be little doubt that they knew of his > chequered past when they did so. > According to the minutes for the November board

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Was the Wikimedia Foundation's removal of membership in 2006 legal?

Hi Adam The WMF has never been a membership based organization. Actually, what happened (roughly) is this. 1) WMF is created in 2003. Legal obligation is to have at least 3 board members. Jimmy create it and ask two people working with him at that time to join the board. Those were Michael

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Was the Wikimedia Foundation's removal of membership in 2006 legal?

Whether or not the decision against having a membership system was legal, reversing that decision would be a timely and practical way for the WMF to start to reengage with the community. Past concerns that a membership system would require staff are now moot - we have staff. Past concerns as

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikimedia Bangladesh has a new Executive Committee

Disclaimer: it is not unfortunate to have the minutes in Bangla. The word was slightly misplaced. Anyway, it is unfortunate not to have the English version for the global community to read and understand. I hope you got the the right meaning before reading this disclaimer. :-) T.

[Wikimedia-l] Wikimedia Bangladesh has a new Executive Committee

Dear all, It is my pleasure to inform you that the Wikimedia Bangladesh has a new Executive Committee (aka Board) to the serve the chapter for the term 2016-2018. 27 of a total 43 regular members and 1 of 2 supporting members were present in the General Meeting on January 15, 2016 which took

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Message from Arnnon Geshuri to the Wikimedia Community

I agree that the Board need to be strengthened in competence related to cultural and personnel issues. I am also of the opinion that much of the discussion related to this issue is made in too harsh tone, and I am not fond of having an Rfc on the issue, intelligent dialogue is preferred to