Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikidata] An answer to Lydia Pintscher regarding its considerations on Wikidata and CC-0

content but our community, > and I am glad to see that many have already responded to you in such a > measured and polite way. > > Peace, > > Markus > > > On 30.11.2017 09:55, John Erling Blad wrote: > > Licensing was discussed in the start of the project, as in start of

Re: [Wikimedia-l] An answer to Lydia Pintscher regarding its considerations on Wikidata and CC-0

Just to make it clear; the discussions at the dev-project was in April-May 2012, linking of wd-items on site late in 29 October 2012 (actually 29. October), Danny told us about his new Google job in January 2013. I believe someone must have gotten this backwards.

Re: [Wikimedia-l] An answer to Lydia Pintscher regarding its considerations on Wikidata and CC-0

You can copyright an expression about facts, but you can't copyright the facts. In some jurisdictions a collection of facts can be given a special protection, but still the individual facts are not protected. >>A single property licensing scheme would allow storage of data, >>it might or might

Re: [Wikimedia-l] A fundraising banner we'd like to try in a short test

What kind of reasonably new device has that kind of resolution? On Wed, Nov 15, 2017 at 12:41 PM, wrote: > Patrik, try it on a 640x480 screen. :P > > On Wed, 15 Nov 2017 16:06 pajz wrote: > > > > > > > This test would run for 1 to 2 hours, and then we'd

Re: [Wikimedia-l] The other side of the crisis at WMFR

For the moment I have virtually zero trust in all involved, including the wmf board. Reorganize and regain trust! John Erling Blad On Wed, Oct 11, 2017 at 11:28 PM, Natacha Rault <n.ra...@me.com> wrote: > Hi Maria, thank you. > > Personnally, and as an engaged feminist in re

Re: [Wikimedia-l] The other side of the crisis at WMFR

it is time for reevaluating the role of WMF in this. I'm wondering if there should be a new board for WMF, unless they get a new chair themselves asap. Reorganize, solve the problems, and move on. No, I do not know any of the people involved. John Erling Blad /jeblad On Fri, Oct 6, 2017 at 3:11 PM

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Identified users

n. Tagging of roles is also outside the scope of my question. On Wed, Sep 20, 2017 at 4:17 AM, MZMcBride <z...@mzmcbride.com> wrote: > John Erling Blad wrote: > >In some cases it would be a lot easier and/or better if it was possible to > >identify and not just authentica

[Wikimedia-l] Identified users

In some cases it would be a lot easier and/or better if it was possible to identify and not just authenticate an user. This could include such things as turning on real name for identified users, or limiting elevated rights to them, thereby avoiding renomination of banned users. In a lot of

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Requiring the interlinking of accounts involved with paid editing

) will start blocking accounts on this terms. Feel free to believe otherwise. On Thu, Sep 14, 2017 at 3:21 AM, Michael Peel <em...@mikepeel.net> wrote: > > > On 13 Sep 2017, at 22:19, John Erling Blad <jeb...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > Sorry, but this is a horribly ba

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Requiring the interlinking of accounts involved with paid editing

disclosed paid editor, you already per the terms of use are required > to state the intermediaries you are working through and thus you should > already be doing this. > > This proposal will actually help people find "white hat" paid editors who > properly disclose. > >

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Attribution of external content

is exactly the same, url, date, author, title - > the > > > > refn template can include anything you need to add including license > > > detail > > > > ie cc-by all of which can be internal or external links > > > > > > > > On 28 August 2017 at 00:26, J

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Attribution of external content

gt; On 27 August 2017 at 22:22, John Erling Blad <jeb...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > Use of a template does not accurately identify the copied text, and in > this > > case nor the author. > > > > The license is the contract with the author and the reason why the text

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Attribution of external content

ext licensed cc-by content > within articles > > On 27 August 2017 at 21:28, John Erling Blad <jeb...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > In some cases we need to attribute content created on external sites, and > > reused on Wikimedia-sites. In Norway Åndsverksloven says "The

[Wikimedia-l] Attribution of external content

lve the problem, or is it just another level that makes things more confusing? John Erling Blad ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia-

Re: [Wikimedia-l] RFC on wikimedia-l posting limits

some opinions > voiced in this thread indicate people want *more* admin action. > >A. > > On Aug 26, 2017 6:30 PM, "John Erling Blad" <jeb...@gmail.com> wrote: > > 1. The list gets popular > 2. The list attracts people > 3. The people sends emails > 4.

Re: [Wikimedia-l] RFC on wikimedia-l posting limits

1. The list gets popular 2. The list attracts people 3. The people sends emails 4. Other people reads emails with opinions 5. Other people don't want to read about other peoples opinions 6. Other people want to limit other peoples opinions 7. Admins starts to wonder how to limit emails 8. Admins

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Core content policy

t; > > the strategy of the movement into its third and fourth decades? Surely > > by > > > now there is a clear, concise and actionable agreed definition of > > knowledge > > > that we can point to when people ask what all that money has been and > > >

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Core content policy

dge then we need to be free as communities to address the > uniqueness of the knowledge we seek within the bounds of culture(language) > from which it originates > > > ​ > > > On 9 August 2017 at 04:12, Jean-Philippe Béland <jpbel...@wikimedia.ca> > wrote: > > >

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Core content policy

No, _verifiability_ can't be different, but _acceptance_ of oral sources can be different. On Tue, Aug 8, 2017 at 10:12 PM, Jean-Philippe Béland <jpbel...@wikimedia.ca > wrote: > Verifiability can be very different. For example oral sources. > > JP > > On Tue, Aug 8, 2017, 0

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Core content policy

M, Strainu <strain...@gmail.com> wrote: > 2017-08-08 12:20 GMT+03:00 John Erling Blad <jeb...@gmail.com>: > > Policy should not have local variations, unless you want to create > > something different from Wikipedia. > > Each version of Wikipedia is a different

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Core content policy

t; > > > knowledge are not globally agreed-upon and “objective” but local and > > very > > > > subjective. > > > > > > > > > > On 4 August 2017 at 10:18, Ziko van Dijk <zvand...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > The numbe

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Core content policy

e” but local and very > > subjective. > > > > On 4 August 2017 at 10:18, Ziko van Dijk <zvand...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > The number of pillars depends on the language version... > > And whether some rules is called pilöar not dpes not seem to be pf much > &g

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Core content policy

not when they are common by > coincidence. > Cheers, > Peter > > -Original Message- > From: Wikimedia-l [mailto:wikimedia-l-boun...@lists.wikimedia.org] On > Behalf Of John Erling Blad > Sent: Thursday, August 3, 2017 1:06 PM > To: Wikimedia Mailing List > Subject

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Core content policy

e that project goes live, ince a > project is live it has to be allowed to develop its community. > > We already have the 5 pillars which are the basis for the projects, but > meta is not a place that the content creating community spends a lot of > time. > > On 3 August 2017

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Core content policy

ch more difficult for small > communities. > > Strainu > > 2017-08-02 17:05 GMT+03:00 John Erling Blad <jeb...@gmail.com>: > > Nearly all Wikipedia projects has virtually the same core content > policies, > > but with slightly different wording. Nearly all, be

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Core content policy

these will > get changed and the new policy will become via a forced cascade to the > communities. I for one could never support any process being created as a > means to take away from the community its own solutions > > On 3 August 2017 at 15:33, John Erling Blad <jeb..

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Core content policy

Without common core policies they can not claim that the projects stick within their boundaries. Is a project without a clear policy on "no original research", "verifiability" and "neutral point of view" Wikipedia? Is it enough to just say it is "Wikipedia" to be "Wikipedia"? I believe there

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Core content policy

I used Wikipedia as an example, I would not expect core content policy from Wikipedia to be a good fit for Wikivoyage. Still Wikivoyage could have common ploicies on Meta the same way Wikipedia would do. On Thu, Aug 3, 2017 at 12:53 AM, Keegan Peterzell wrote: > On Wed,

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Core content policy

umber, i.e. English, > will impose their rules to other communities. It's a basic fundamental > principle of Wikimedia projects since the beginning that every community is > independant, > > JP > > On Wed, Aug 2, 2017 at 6:19 PM John Erling Blad <jeb...@gmail.com> wrote: > > >

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Core content policy

> > Thanks > > Tito Dutta > > Note: If I don't reply to your email in 2 days, please feel free to > remind > > me over email or phone call. > > > > On 2 August 2017 at 19:35, John Erling Blad <jeb...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > Nearly all Wik

[Wikimedia-l] Core content policy

Nearly all Wikipedia projects has virtually the same core content policies, but with slightly different wording. Nearly all, because a lot of the smaller lacks them, and a lot has outdated or only partial policies. It takes a lot of time to actually make them and keep them updated. Creating and

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Let's set up a Tor onion service for Wikipedia

Blocking a registered user on TOR is not different from blocking a registered user outside TOR. 5. jun. 2017 21.02 skrev "John" : > Im not going to violate BEANS, but even allowing accounts to edit without > further hurdles isn't going to work. Because of the anonymity

Re: [Wikimedia-l] machine translation

ons. > > >>> > > >>> Thanks, > > >>> Pharos > > >>> > > >>> On Tue, May 2, 2017 at 4:09 PM, Bodhisattwa Mandal < > > >>> bodhisattwa.rg...@gmail.com> wrote: > > >>> > > >>> Content tr

Re: [Wikimedia-l] machine translation

;> bodhisattwa.rg...@gmail.com> wrote: > >>> > >>> Content translation with Yandex is also a problem in Bengali Wikipedia. > >>>> Some users have grown a tendency to create machine translated > >>>> meaningless > >>>> articles wit

Re: [Wikimedia-l] machine translation

ote: > 2017-05-02 21:47 GMT+03:00 John Erling Blad <jeb...@gmail.com>: > > > Yandex as a general translation engine to be able to read some alien > > language is quite good, but as an engine to produce written text it is > not > > very good at all. > > >

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Turn the extension for ContentTranslation off?

ou're talking about before taking > a position. Thanks! > > Best, > Lodewijk > > 2017-05-02 17:20 GMT+02:00 John Erling Blad <jeb...@gmail.com>: > > > Yes, I wonder if the extension for content translation should be turned > > off. Not because it is really ba

Re: [Wikimedia-l] machine translation

sable in "some" context. We translate a text for the purpose of republishing it. The text should be usable and easily readable in that language. On Tue, May 2, 2017 at 7:07 PM, Amir E. Aharoni < amir.ahar...@mail.huji.ac.il> wrote: > 2017-05-02 18:20 GMT+03:00 John Erling Blad

[Wikimedia-l] Turn the extension for ContentTranslation off?

Yes, I wonder if the extension for content translation should be turned off. Not because it is really bad, but because it allows creating translations that isn't quite good enough, and those translations creates fierce internal fighting between contributors. Some people use CT, and makes fairly

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fwd: [PRESS] Turkish authorities block Wikipedia

Thanks for the update! I guess people will support WMFs decisions in this case! John On Sat, Apr 29, 2017 at 11:11 PM, Juliet Barbara wrote: > Thank you, everyone, for your messages regarding the situation in Turkey. > As you can imagine, this has been a very busy time

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Quality assurance of articles

in its early days, if you'd like to follow up with it please visit > > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Research:Expanding_Wikipedia_stubs_across_languages > > Best, > Leila > > > Leila Zia > Senior Research Scientist > Wikimedia Foundation > > On Sat,

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Quality assurance of articles

This year she has agreed to co-mentor a voice-interactive tutorial system > for instructing on the use of her project, with which we plan to > simultaneously coach speech pronunciation. > > On Sun, Apr 16, 2017 at 11:23 AM John Erling Blad <jeb...@gmail.com> > wrote: > >

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Quality assurance of articles

Sorry for the sprellig, I write this on a mobile with Norwegian spellchecker. Gerrards last question is about coverage, and bias, which is part of the overall quality for the project as such. Den søn. 16. apr. 2017, 19.22 skrev John Erling Blad <jeb...@gmail.com>: > I wrote a propo

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Quality assurance of articles

gt; When you study the consistency of English Wikipedia only, you only add > to > > > the current bias in research. > > > > > > When you want to know about the half life of an error, you can find in > > the > > > history when for instance a da

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Quality assurance of articles

consistency of English Wikipedia only, you only add to > > the current bias in research. > > > > When you want to know about the half life of an error, you can find in > the > > history when for instance a date was mentioned for a first time and find > > the same date in another l

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Quality assurance of articles

ther automation. > Thanks, > GerardM > > On 15 April 2017 at 23:50, John Erling Blad <jeb...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > Are anyone doing any work on automated quality assurance of articles? Not > > the ORES-stuff, that is about creating hints from measured featur

[Wikimedia-l] Quality assurance of articles

Are anyone doing any work on automated quality assurance of articles? Not the ORES-stuff, that is about creating hints from measured features. I'm thinking about verifying existence and completeness of citations, and structure of logical arguments. John

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Let's go gender neutral

The focus should not be what some users want to call other users, but on what users want to call themselves. " I cannot accept the status quo where some minorities feel excluded by our systems and policies, but I don't have to, as we are not standing still." Then I think you should reconsider.

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Let's go gender neutral

I believe the best way to describe people is as accurately, and neutral as possible, following the grammatical and cultural rules within the community, and especially to address them as they chose themselves. Note that we use grammatical gender, we do not address people with sexual gender. On

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Let's go gender neutral

Sorry to people from Bergen, girls from Bergen is masculine - "jenten". I wonder if we can blame that on the Germans, "mädchen" is neutrum, perhaps they messed up the local language during the Hansa-period. On Thu, Apr 6, 2017 at 10:49 PM, John Erling Blad <

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Let's go gender neutral

There are a lot of languages where there are no neutral gender, or where there are a single male gender, or it can even be that the only neutral gender is used for things and animals. In German there is an expectation of gender-correct form. In Norwegian there is an expectation of a neutral form.

[Wikimedia-l] Termodynamics and social capital

Has anyone tried to use termodynamics on social capital within Wikipedia? Over investment in social capital and negative specific heat might create unstable systems, that is people will leave the community. There is a book on the topic; A Dynamic Balance: Social Capital and Sustainable Community

Re: [Wikimedia-l] WMF advanced permissions for employees

Add WMF-straff to a specific category, and make it possible to filter out users with a specific group within a category. Then forget the whole spreadsheet. Case closed. On Sat, Feb 18, 2017 at 3:15 PM, Vi to wrote: > AffCom has nothing to do with this kind of issue, most

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Moderation notice

It is common to refer to those that cooperated with the Nazis during WWII as "kollaboratører" (kollaborators) in Norwegian too. https://no.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kollaborat%C3%B8r Translating between languages are fun! =) John 13. feb. 2017 09.08 skrev "Jane Darnell" : … The

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Moderation notice

Gerard, ... he has good points too, even if he is stubborn like a mule - like the rest og us! ;) 11. feb. 2017 19.49 skrev "Asaf Bartov" : > Hello, everyone. > > I share the opinion that moderation actions should be transparent. So: > > I have now placed Gerard Meijssen on

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikimedia Announcements] Positions open for strategy coordinator contractors.

In Scandinavia there are a bunch of closely related languages, they are often referred to as North Germanic Languages.[ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_Germanic_languages] Icelandic and Faroese language is often referred to as Insular Scandinavian, West Norwegian, or Old West Norse, and is

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikimedia Deutschland: Abraham Taherivand appointed permanent Executive Director

Ha ha! Now he must wear a neck tie every day! =D On Mon, Jan 30, 2017 at 5:24 PM, Anna Torres wrote: > On behalf of Wikimedia Argentina! Congrats Abraham! > > Hope to start working with you soon! > > Hugs! > > 2017-01-30 13:21 GMT-03:00 Sydney Poore

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Concerns in general

I for one would really, really, really like to see full backup of all data to servers outside USA, if necessary with anonymized contributors. A first step would be to store digests for the revisions on alternate servers, and make it possible to double check the validity of the content. That is, a

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Berlin

Tenker på dere og de som ble berørt, det her var vondt å høre. Husk at dette er ikke religion, religion er kun brukt som en unnskyldning for vold. Thing about you and those involved, it hurts when I heard about it. Remember that this is not about religion, religion is only used as an excuse for

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