Re: [Wikimedia-l] Our problem with India

People concerned with the lack of content in Indic languages might enjoy, "Digital Divisions of Labor and Informational Magnetism: Mapping Participation in Wikipedia", recent research co-authored by Mark Graham of the Oxford Internet Institute. The problem is not specific to India. Quoting from

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Our problem with India

Milos, I hope this wasn't the participation you expected when you said you wanted to hear from Indian wikipedians. ;) While I know where Milos, Gerard and even Amir are coming from, I don't know about this talk of "lower-class". Unless you are not talking about economics and income level here,

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Our problem with India

Hi Milos and everyone. I just want to quickly add that in addition to the New Readers research project, the Global Reach team is also working to expand Wikimedia’s readership and awareness in India. We have contracted VotoMobile

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Our problem with India

I completely agree with Amir. Wikipedia is an unachievable goal itself. And this is precisely what it takes us to do It. we have shown the world that only starting things, they move forward. Let's improve coverage, one edit at a time. As a tip: keep in mind other people's interests while

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Our problem with India

I am quite amused; it doesn't happen to me much that people take so much care to protect my privacy. I do appreciate it, though. In case nobody guessed it, I am (probably) "Mr. Western Wikipedian". The language gap in Wikipedias has always concerned me since the very first day I tried editing

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Our problem with India

On Tue, Jun 28, 2016 at 11:43 AM, Milos Rancic wrote: > In other words, although I am not disclosing all of information I > have, mostly to protect privacy of some people, Yes, this is a difficult line to walk. I have encountered this issue many times in the Wikimedia world.

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Our problem with India

What we've got here is a failure to communicate. -Original Message- From: Wikimedia-l [mailto:wikimedia-l-boun...@lists.wikimedia.org] On Behalf Of Milos Rancic Sent: Tuesday, 28 June 2016 8:43 PM To: Wikimedia Mailing List Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-l] Our problem with India My last mail

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Our problem with India

My last mail for today, so Anne, just to say that I really appreciate what you've done, but I'll comment in a bit more detail tomorrow. On Tue, Jun 28, 2016 at 8:01 PM, Pete Forsyth wrote: > I'll leave the "defensive" bit aside, and just reiterate that I *still* do > not

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Our problem with India

On Tue, Jun 28, 2016 at 10:40 AM, Milos Rancic wrote: > On Tue, Jun 28, 2016 at 7:27 PM, Pete Forsyth > wrote: > > On Tue, Jun 28, 2016 at 10:03 AM, Milos Rancic > wrote: > >> > >> On the rest: being defensive is not useful; being

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Our problem with India

Hoi, What I know is that in India Wikisource has proven to be very effective and important to promote the use of local languages. As a member of the language committee I am in favour to have a Wikisource almost as easily as a Wikipedia. The one thing that the WMF fails to do is support the

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Our problem with India

Hey Milos, Just wanted to let you know about the research that just wrapped up in India as a part of the New Readers project [1]. A team of staff and external researchers actually spent the last couple of weeks in Delhi and Chennai gathering data in India through intensive on-the-ground

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On Tue, Jun 28, 2016 at 7:27 PM, Pete Forsyth wrote: > On Tue, Jun 28, 2016 at 10:03 AM, Milos Rancic wrote: >> >> On the rest: being defensive is not useful; being constructive is. >> > > I don't see anything in this thread that looks defensive; what I

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Our problem with India

On Tue, Jun 28, 2016 at 10:03 AM, Milos Rancic wrote: > > On the rest: being defensive is not useful; being constructive is. > I don't see anything in this thread that looks defensive; what I see (and thoroughly agree with) is a request to more clearly define the problem. I'd

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Our problem with India

On Tue, Jun 28, 2016 at 6:49 PM, Asaf Bartov wrote: > (Are "the lower classes" from Serbia represented in Wikimania?) While I could complain about a number things to WMRS, this is an obvious exception. Two of three Wikimedians funded by WMRS actually belong to the

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Our problem with India

> lack of representation of the "lower > ​ ​ > classes" from India in Wikimania > - ​ This is also not very clear to me. (All my comments here are personal)​ ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at:

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On 28 June 2016 at 12:24, Milos Rancic wrote: > On Tue, Jun 28, 2016 at 6:01 PM, Risker wrote: > > Milos, I read the points you are making in your initial post, and I > cannot > > tell what actions you are seeking. I am not even really clear on what >

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Our problem with India

On Tue, Jun 28, 2016 at 6:51 PM, Milos Rancic wrote: > > Anders, we've been asked for help at least twice that I know, as I can > witness for those two times. The first time I thought it will be > solved, but it hasn't been solved after two years. Plus, a couple of > previous

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On Tue, Jun 28, 2016 at 6:01 PM, Risker wrote: > Milos, I read the points you are making in your initial post, and I cannot > tell what actions you are seeking. I am not even really clear on what the > problem is that you are "reporting". The best I can make of it is that

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Our problem with India

Milos, I read the points you are making in your initial post, and I cannot tell what actions you are seeking. I am not even really clear on what the problem is that you are "reporting". The best I can make of it is that you don't think there are enough articles in the Wikipedias of the languages

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On Tue, Jun 28, 2016 at 4:47 PM, Anders Wennersten wrote: > I have been active in FDC and followed closely all applicants. It works very > well when it comes to promote small affiliates to grow in a controlled way > and ensuring that money is spent wisely. The FDC,

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Our problem with India

I have been active in FDC and followed closely all applicants. It works very well when it comes to promote small affiliates to grow in a controlled way and ensuring that money is spent wisely. The FDC, though, demand an elaborate plan, and application, which can be (too) hard as a first step

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Our problem with India

Your skills at satire do not work for me. Cheers, Peter -Original Message- From: Wikimedia-l [mailto:wikimedia-l-boun...@lists.wikimedia.org] On Behalf Of Milos Rancic Sent: Tuesday, 28 June 2016 1:28 PM To: Wikimedia Mailing List Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-l] Our problem with India On Jun

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Our problem with India

Still not clear. Why? -Original Message- From: Wikimedia-l [mailto:wikimedia-l-boun...@lists.wikimedia.org] On Behalf Of Milos Rancic Sent: Tuesday, 28 June 2016 1:28 PM To: Wikimedia Mailing List Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-l] Our problem with India On Jun 28, 2016 09:58, "Milos R

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And it seems I need one more note: The last sentence was satirical. On Jun 28, 2016 13:27, "Milos Rancic" wrote: > On Jun 28, 2016 09:58, "Milos Rancic" wrote: > > > > (Hint for American > > Wikimedians: Trump supporters are your next target for positive >

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Our problem with India

On Jun 28, 2016 09:58, "Milos Rancic" wrote: > > (Hint for American > Wikimedians: Trump supporters are your next target for positive > discrimination.) It seems I have to clarify this sentence. I didn't say Trump, I didn't say Cruz, I didn't say Cruz supporters, I said Trump

[Wikimedia-l] Our problem with India

Whenever a serious problem raises and after years of hesitation I finally realize that I have to speak about it publicly, I have a drive to drink some rakija, feel good and forget all of the stress the new issue would give to me. But this is very important and we have to start talking about it.