Re: [Wikimedia-l] Status of the Code of Conduct for technical spaces

Hi all, This thread is diverging more and more away from its original subject. Please open a new thread if you're interested in discussing items not directly related to Quim's email re CoC. This can help the audience of this list with discovery of relevant content and discussions later on.

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Status of the Code of Conduct for technical spaces

I think the calendar I mentioned above on Meta probably could be improved in some ways. If a lot of folks start using it, it will become quite long, for one. An archiving system for each month might be a good idea. What ways could there be to sort or segment the calendar that would be useful for

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Status of the Code of Conduct for technical spaces

Hoi, Please .. From my perspective we should not talk about secondary topics like this. We should certainly not be this aggressive. I said it before and I say it again. When you are interested in what we aim to achieve talk about WHAT we can do to do better and let HOW we can do better from an

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Status of the Code of Conduct for technical spaces

"Jethro" On Sat, Mar 18, 2017 at 8:15 PM, you wrote: > Well, folks are free to ignore invitations to comment; there are indeed a > lot of discussion notices for various matters, so I don't blame them if > they world rather volunteer their time in other places. > > But they cannot then also

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Status of the Code of Conduct for technical spaces

FYI, Edward Galvez has been maintaining this calendar that has been going for a while that chapters and staff have been using for various consultations, surveys, and RfCs. https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Community_Engagement/Calendar Seems to me this is a good approach to avoid the issue of

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Status of the Code of Conduct for technical spaces

Pine, Of course we could benefit from consolidation and pruning of communication channels. This has been the case for at least a decade, how to do that without alienating part of the community that uses the pruned channels is a very difficult task, however. Nevertheless, this does not mean one can

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Status of the Code of Conduct for technical spaces

My point is more or less the same one that you're making. Communications (too much and too little) and information overload are both challenges. I don't think there's going to be a silver bullet solution, but I hope that WMF will invest effort into addressing this set of problems during the next

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Status of the Code of Conduct for technical spaces

You mean, "how to deal with people who complain they weren't consulted then turn around and complain they were excessively consulted"? At this point, the appropriate thing would be to put forward a plausible solution rather than complain they did the thing you claimed they hadn't sufficiently

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Status of the Code of Conduct for technical spaces

Chris, That last paragraph assumes that people (1) know where to look and (2) have hours to spend watching countless channels for announcements. On the other hand, there's also a problem of burying people in so many announcements, surveys, and consultations that people start to tune it all out.

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Status of the Code of Conduct for technical spaces

Well, folks are free to ignore invitations to comment; there are indeed a lot of discussion notices for various matters, so I don't blame them if they world rather volunteer their time in other places. But they cannot then also argue that they didn't know about it. If people want to know what's

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Status of the Code of Conduct for technical spaces

On 09/03/17 20:36, Antoine Musso wrote: The RfC has been going on for almost two years already. Given the flood of announces on a wide range of mailing lists, I don't see how one could have missed it. The flood might be exactly how. Keep being inundated with notices, many people are likely

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Status of the Code of Conduct for technical spaces

Looking at the talk page briefly, I'm seeing few objections to the close and it appears that no one has reverted it, so it's likely to stick. I remain skeptical of the process (not to say that it's all bad; Matt certainly did a lot of outreach on mailing lists), but I wouldn't suggest using this

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Status of the Code of Conduct for technical spaces

Le 08/03/2017 à 20:02, Pine W a écrit : > I am not sure that I agree with that closure. There have been several > concerns mentioned in the talk page and in email threads, and it's not > clear to me that the document should be moving forward without an RfC on > the whole document. If I had time to

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Status of the Code of Conduct for technical spaces

Dear Pine, I see your concern, but it seems exaggerated. There was an early suggestion of a final RfC on the complete draft. That changed, as stated and debated last April: there would be a code of conduct, no two ways about it. The subject for consensus was only what it said, topic by topic.

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Status of the Code of Conduct for technical spaces

As a complement to my update yesterday, the call for candidates to form the first Code of Conduct Committee has been sent to wikitech-l, mediawiki-l, engineering, labs-l, analytics, wiki-research-l, and design. It will be advertised in other technical spaces in the next hours. You can read it i.e.

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Status of the Code of Conduct for technical spaces

I am not sure that I agree with that closure. There have been several concerns mentioned in the talk page and in email threads, and it's not clear to me that the document should be moving forward without an RfC on the whole document. If I had time to look into this further I would be considering

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Status of the Code of Conduct for technical spaces

Quim, Thank you for the update. This code of conduct isn't half-bad. //SJ On Wed, Mar 8, 2017 at 7:31 AM, Quim Gil wrote: > Hi, let me share a status update about the Code of Conduct for Wikimedia > technical spaces, especially targeted to people not familiar with this

[Wikimedia-l] Status of the Code of Conduct for technical spaces

Hi, let me share a status update about the Code of Conduct for Wikimedia technical spaces, especially targeted to people not familiar with this CoC and/or Wikimedia technical spaces. https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Code_of_Conduct The CoC drafting phase was completed yesterday [0], 18 months