Re: [Wikimedia-l] Update on Wikimédia France

2017-08-03 Thread James Salsman
As a general question, Pine, what do you think is the optimal amount of time that the Foundation should allow a chapter agreement to persist when, as in this case, allegations of financial impropriety and use of the trademarks to enrich chapter officials' side projects are followed by removal of

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Sharing sad news about Bassel

2017-08-03 Thread Gregory Varnum
A complete statement from the Wikimedia Foundation, made by Katherine, has been posted on the Wikimedia Blog: https://blog.wikimedia.org/2017/08/03/bassel-khartabil/ We are also asking for people’s assistance with translating this

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Core content policy

2017-08-03 Thread Ziko van Dijk
The number of pillars depends on the language version... And whether some rules is called pilöar not dpes not seem to be pf much importance Ziko John Erling Blad schrieb am Do. 3. Aug. 2017 um 14:42: > Five pillars are moot. > > On Thu, Aug 3, 2017 at 2:59 PM, Gnangarra

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Update on Wikimédia France

2017-08-03 Thread Pine W
Hi James, A matter of concern is that WMF is far from having an exemplary record of good governance and transparency. It's problematic for WMF to be pointing fingers at other organizations and telling them to improve their governance. On the other hand, based on my limited understanding of the

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Update on Wikimédia France

2017-08-03 Thread James Salsman
Peter, in this situation I think it is completely appropriate and preferable for the Foundation Director to make the continued existence of the Chapter contingent on their agendizing the specific questions of audit, transparency, and recall in the General Assembly which the members who have called

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikimedia Announcements] Wikimedia Deutschland's Progress Report has been published

2017-08-03 Thread Pine W
I am far behind on email (as you can tell) but I want to say thanks to Nicole and our other colleagues at WMDE for this report. There are several elements of the report that interest me, including https://tools.wmflabs.org/commons-video-clicks/. I look forward to reading the report in more

[Wikimedia-l] [Wikimedia Announcements] Wikimedia Deutschland's Progress Report has been published

2017-08-03 Thread Nicole Ebber
Dear all, I would like to draw your attention to our freshly published APG Progress Report. It covers the first six months of 2017 and highlights include: * Learnings from our online campaigns to attract and retain new editors for Wikipedia * Experimenting with a new Wikipedia Hotline *

[Wikimedia-l] Wikimedia Conference 2018: 20-22 April in Berlin #wmcon

2017-08-03 Thread Nicole Ebber
Dear Wikimedia friends, We are happy to announce the date of the next Wikimedia Conference: From 20 to 22 April 2018, we will welcome representatives from Wikimedia Affiliates and partners, from the Wikimedia Foundation as well as its committees in Berlin. We will closely coordinate with the

Re: [Wikimedia-l] New beta feature: Syntax Highlighting!

2017-08-03 Thread Danny Horn
Hi Andy, Thanks for sending your thoughts, that's the kind of feedback that we need. People can either write responses in this thread, or post it on the project's talk page: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Community_Tech/Wikitext_editor_syntax_highlighting We'll respond as comments come in,

Re: [Wikimedia-l] New beta feature: Syntax Highlighting!

2017-08-03 Thread Natacha Rault
Great news, thank you! Nattes à chat > Le 4 août 2017 à 00:21, Danny Horn a écrit : > > Hi everyone, > > WMF's Community Tech team team is happy to announce that Wikitext Editor > Syntax Highlighting has been released as a beta feature today on all LTR > Wikimedia

Re: [Wikimedia-l] New beta feature: Syntax Highlighting!

2017-08-03 Thread Andy Mabbett
On 3 August 2017 at 23:21, Danny Horn wrote: > WMF's Community Tech team team is happy to announce that Wikitext Editor > Syntax Highlighting has been released as a beta feature today on all LTR > Wikimedia projects! I'm all in favour of having syntax highlighting - I teach

Re: [Wikimedia-l] New beta feature: Syntax Highlighting!

2017-08-03 Thread James Heilman
Great to see this work going forwards. Can we make the colors more like those used in WikEd? We have build instructions based on the coloring of text created by WikEd to help guide our translation folks. James On Thu, Aug 3, 2017 at 4:30 PM, Danny Horn wrote: > Oh, a PS:

Re: [Wikimedia-l] New beta feature: Syntax Highlighting!

2017-08-03 Thread Danny Horn
Oh, a PS: We're going to post an announcement on some village pumps, but please feel free to share this with your community. Thanks! On Thu, Aug 3, 2017 at 3:21 PM, Danny Horn wrote: > Hi everyone, > > WMF's Community Tech team team is happy to announce that Wikitext Editor

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Trace of Soul (WLM+WLE) in Republic of Srpska

2017-08-03 Thread Pine W
I like the name. Pine On Tue, Aug 1, 2017 at 12:06 PM, WМ RepublikaSrpska < wmrepublikasrp...@gmail.com> wrote: > Hello everyone! > > > I am pleased, in front of the Wikimedia Community of the Republic of > Srpska, to inform you that our community received its first annual APG > grant this

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Strategy] August 1: Strategy update - Preparing for Wikimania, the strategic direction, and New voices insights (#22)

2017-08-03 Thread Pine W
I wonder if WMF would be willing to let a non-WMF affiliate put up fundraising (which I consider to be another form of advertising, and perhaps some survey respondents did too) banners to get funds for COIN and related backlogs. Perhaps if the fundraising was done by a separate organization, then

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Core content policy

2017-08-03 Thread Peter Southwood
Citation needed, Cheers, P -Original Message- From: Wikimedia-l [mailto:wikimedia-l-boun...@lists.wikimedia.org] On Behalf Of John Erling Blad Sent: Thursday, 03 August 2017 8:45 PM To: Wikimedia Mailing List Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-l] Core content policy I believe policies on

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Core content policy

2017-08-03 Thread John Erling Blad
I believe policies on subprojects of Wikipedia are common by necessity, while the policies of Wikipedia and Wiktionary are common by coincidence. On Thu, Aug 3, 2017 at 3:32 PM, Peter Southwood < peter.southw...@telkomsa.net> wrote: > Only when they are common by necessity, not when they are

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Core content policy

2017-08-03 Thread John Erling Blad
Five pillars are moot. On Thu, Aug 3, 2017 at 2:59 PM, Gnangarra wrote: > The moment you have a centralised policy you take away the ability to > discuss, makes decisions, and achieve consensus from the community that > create the projects. Importantly you create the

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Update on Wikimédia France

2017-08-03 Thread Yann Forget
2017-08-03 13:47 GMT+02:00 Rémi Mathis : > > To be honest, 25-30% of WMFR members is quite a lot. And, don't > > forget, include roughly half of the Wikimedia France Board elected at > > the last General Assembly. > > > > This isn't the first governance crisis in the

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Update on Wikimédia France

2017-08-03 Thread Peter Southwood
Are you requesting her to do this, or asking if she has the rights/power/authority to do this? Cheers, Peter -Original Message- From: Wikimedia-l [mailto:wikimedia-l-boun...@lists.wikimedia.org] On Behalf Of James Salsman Sent: Thursday, August 3, 2017 1:11 PM To: Wikimedia Mailing

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Core content policy

2017-08-03 Thread Peter Southwood
Only when they are common by necessity, not when they are common by coincidence. Cheers, Peter -Original Message- From: Wikimedia-l [mailto:wikimedia-l-boun...@lists.wikimedia.org] On Behalf Of John Erling Blad Sent: Thursday, August 3, 2017 1:06 PM To: Wikimedia Mailing List Subject:

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Update on Wikimédia France

2017-08-03 Thread Alessandro Marchetti
About Louise, IMHO if you care about someone who has recently died, you should dedicate a whole separated email to the topic. Of course, if I had specifically any feeling that a mail will be at the center of a critical discussion, I would not put any reference to a dead person right there. I'd

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Core content policy

2017-08-03 Thread Gnangarra
The moment you have a centralised policy you take away the ability to discuss, makes decisions, and achieve consensus from the community that create the projects. Importantly you create the opportunity for banned and blocked editors to decide what happens in a community. By having a base set of

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Update on Wikimédia France

2017-08-03 Thread Natacha Rault
Dear All, Remi's email is symptomatic of the kind of communication we have been confronted with when asking questions (I repeat : questions, because all the so called opponants did in the first place was to question). No wonder people are unhappy: they are invited to do exactly the contrary to

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Update on Wikimédia France

2017-08-03 Thread Devouard (gmail)
Correct Ting At the moment, we are still in the hopes of saving it. I do not think losing the chapter agreement at the moment would be helpful. Flo Le 03/08/2017 à 13:30, Ting Chen a écrit : Hello dear all, at first I would object that the Foundation do such a thing, even as a

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Update on Wikimédia France

2017-08-03 Thread Gabriel Thullen
I will bi going to the September 9 GA, and for the moment I still am a member of Wikimedia France. I am posting here in spite of the risk, because I want to set a few things straight. 25% of the French chapter asked for this GA knowing full well that the annual GA was scheduled a month later in

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Update on Wikimédia France

2017-08-03 Thread Rémi Mathis
> To be honest, 25-30% of WMFR members is quite a lot. And, don't > forget, include roughly half of the Wikimedia France Board elected at > the last General Assembly. > > This isn't the first governance crisis in the Wikimedia movement (WMF > and other chapters have certainly had them) but it is

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Core content policy

2017-08-03 Thread Ziko van Dijk
Hello, i wrote something about a comparison of conent policies and will have a presentation at wikicon, but at the momemt i am not at my home computer. Kind regards ziko John Erling Blad schrieb am Mi. 2. Aug. 2017 um 18:19: > I wonder if deviation away from a central core

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Update on Wikimédia France

2017-08-03 Thread Ting Chen
Hello dear all, at first I would object that the Foundation do such a thing, even as a denkexperiment. This may be seen as an easy way to react on a crisis but this opens doors for misuse of power. In a different situation, a different time, with a different WMF board and ED, this can open a

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Update on Wikimédia France

2017-08-03 Thread Rémi Mathis
This is typically the kind agressive behaviour we don't need right now. Everybody in the chapter knows that Marie-Alice Mathis and Rémi Mathis are wife and husband, it has always been clearly stated and we always refused to be at the board at the same time to avoid conflicts of interest. Now

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Update on Wikimédia France

2017-08-03 Thread James Salsman
Can Katherine Maher as Foundation Executive Director decide and announce a new policy that the continuation of the WMFR Charter is contingent on the September General Assembly agenda including particular items which they may not otherwise be inclined to agendas, please? On Thu, Aug 3, 2017 at

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Core content policy

2017-08-03 Thread John Erling Blad
Having centralized core policies would lessen the maintenance and process, not increase them. On Thu, Aug 3, 2017 at 11:17 AM, Strainu wrote: > The core policies should be the ones pushed by board resolution, and > those should be the absolute minimum required to keep the

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Core content policy

2017-08-03 Thread John Erling Blad
Common core policies should be on Meta, not Incubator. On Thu, Aug 3, 2017 at 9:39 AM, Gnangarra wrote: > I think meta is the wrong place, the coreor base line policies should be in > the incubator not meta and created as guide at the start of a project then > let the

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Update on Wikimédia France

2017-08-03 Thread Chris Keating
> A few French wkipedians are not happy with the board and some of the > employees. They are about 25-30% of Wikimedia France members To be honest, 25-30% of WMFR members is quite a lot. And, don't forget, include roughly half of the Wikimedia France Board elected at the last General Assembly.

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Update on Wikimédia France

2017-08-03 Thread Devouard (gmail)
And for the sake of proper understanding... Rémi Mathis is the husband of the current vice-chair of Wikimedia France. Nuff said. Florence Le 03/08/2017 à 12:17, Rémi Mathis a écrit : Dear all, As a member - and former chair - of Wikimedia France, this kind of message really hurts my

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Update on Wikimédia France

2017-08-03 Thread Devouard (gmail)
The current situation at Wikimedia France is ABSOLUTE NON SENSE After MONTHS spent trying to figure out what was going on, collecting data, finding witnesses, fighting fears of being sued... we succeeded to mobilize 25% of Wikimedia France members to vote to request a General Assembly. That

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Update on Wikimédia France

2017-08-03 Thread Rémi Mathis
Dear all, As a member - and former chair - of Wikimedia France, this kind of message really hurts my feelings and I still wonder why they can be posted on international mailing lists. We are supposed to act as responsible adults and work together so that the chapters can manage projects... and I

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Sharing sad news about Bassel

2017-08-03 Thread Isaac Olatunde
Extremely sad news. May his soul continue to rest in perfect peace. My condolence to the family. Regards, Isaac Olatunde. On Aug 2, 2017 9:57 AM, "Richard Farmbrough" wrote: Very sad news indeed. Frustrating that we could not gain more social media traction, when

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Strategy] August 1: Strategy update - Preparing for Wikimania, the strategic direction, and New voices insights (#22)

2017-08-03 Thread James Salsman
> what proportion of articles at NPP appear paid for? > And what percentage of socks / sock cases relate to paid editing? I would sure like to know this. I would also like to whether the Foundation could, hypothetically, hire editors to address the COIN and related backlogs (AFC, etc.) without

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Core content policy

2017-08-03 Thread Strainu
The core policies should be the ones pushed by board resolution, and those should be the absolute minimum required to keep the projects safe from a legal POV. Period. Otherwise, people with little understanding of small Wikipedias will try to push stuff from en.wp. Just recently someone was trying

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Core content policy

2017-08-03 Thread Gnangarra
I think meta is the wrong place, the coreor base line policies should be in the incubator not meta and created as guide at the start of a project then let the project develop their uniqueness, individuality from there. If it gets put on meta it will become a you must do this and only this to the

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Core content policy

2017-08-03 Thread John Erling Blad
Without common core policies they can not claim that the projects stick within their boundaries. Is a project without a clear policy on "no original research", "verifiability" and "neutral point of view" Wikipedia? Is it enough to just say it is "Wikipedia" to be "Wikipedia"? I believe there

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Core content policy

2017-08-03 Thread John Erling Blad
I used Wikipedia as an example, I would not expect core content policy from Wikipedia to be a good fit for Wikivoyage. Still Wikivoyage could have common ploicies on Meta the same way Wikipedia would do. On Thu, Aug 3, 2017 at 12:53 AM, Keegan Peterzell wrote: > On Wed,

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Core content policy

2017-08-03 Thread John Erling Blad
What happens now is that policies from enwiki is adopted "as is", but a lot of the rules enwiki does not make sense at all. On Thu, Aug 3, 2017 at 12:24 AM, Jean-Philippe Béland wrote: > I oppose to that. Like that communities with bigger number, i.e. English, > will

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Help requested for finding certain subjects in your local Wikipedia

2017-08-03 Thread Eduardo Testart
Romain, For CL https://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Centro_Cultural_Gabriela_Mistral https://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Museo_de_Arte_Contempor%C3%A1neo_de_Santiago Regards, On Tue, Aug 1, 2017 at 2:56 AM, Romaine Wiki wrote: > Hi all, > > In the Dutch part of Belgium there

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Core content policy

2017-08-03 Thread Rogol Domedonfors
Is it wise for the Foundation to be seen to controlling content in this way? Would that not jeopardise their legal immunity? "Rogol" On Thu, Aug 3, 2017 at 7:42 AM, Sam Wilson wrote: > On Thu, 3 Aug 2017, at 06:53 AM, Keegan Peterzell wrote: > > On Wed, Aug 2, 2017 at

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Core content policy

2017-08-03 Thread Sam Wilson
On Thu, 3 Aug 2017, at 06:53 AM, Keegan Peterzell wrote: > On Wed, Aug 2, 2017 at 5:31 PM, Todd Allen wrote: > > > I'd definitely agree there. There are a few non-negotiable points (NPOV, > > copyright and licensing, nonfree content, etc.), but outside those, > >