Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fwd: Introducing Kourosh Karimkhany, Vice President of Strategic Partnerships

2015-04-02 Thread Andreas Kolbe
Mike, With all due respect to your longstanding work on internet issues, you said there were no facts to support an argument that zero-rating one product, when all others are subject to a consumer charge, suppresses competition. I pointed out that Lohninger, AccessNow and EFF consider it obvious

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Introducing Kourosh Karimkhany, Vice President of Strategic Partnerships

2015-04-01 Thread Andreas Kolbe
On Mon, Mar 30, 2015 at 8:34 PM, Anders Wennersten wrote: > I can agree on the dilemma you present. > > But would not a better solution then the close down on Wikipedia Zero, be > to close down the projects that is not run "compatible with the values > underlying the idea of a free and open web"?

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Introducing Kourosh Karimkhany, Vice President of Strategic Partnerships

2015-04-01 Thread Andreas Kolbe
On Wed, Apr 1, 2015 at 12:05 PM, Mike Godwin wrote: > It should be noted that the Federal Communications Commission, in its > recent Report and Order requiring network neutrality for American > telcos and service providers, expressly refused to draw a categorical > conclusion whether zero-rated s

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Introducing Kourosh Karimkhany, Vice President of Strategic Partnerships

2015-03-30 Thread Andreas Kolbe
The recent Newsweek story on the Wifione / IIPM admin corruption case[1] has clear implications for Wikipedia Zero. Wikipedia Zero creates hundreds of millions of passive Wikipedia users who: - Cannot see the sources of a Wikipedia article (I believe SMS users cannot even see which statements *ar

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Introducing Kourosh Karimkhany, Vice President of Strategic Partnerships

2015-03-28 Thread Andreas Kolbe
I find the term "Advancement Department" has a somewhat Orwellian ring. The FAQ mentions that – The new role is focused on creating value for the Wikimedia movement and on supporting our ability to fulfil our mission. Value can be understood in many different ways. We believe that it can be about

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Most obnoxious banner yet

2015-03-21 Thread Andreas Kolbe
On Sat, Jan 17, 2015 at 12:10 AM, Andreas Kolbe wrote: > On Fri, Jan 16, 2015 at 9:11 PM, Megan Hernandez > wrote: > >> Hi all, >> >> Here's a quick follow up on a couple issues from this thread. >> >> The fundraising team will be posting feedback an

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Announcement: WMF to file suit against the NSA

2015-03-19 Thread Andreas Kolbe
On Wed, Mar 18, 2015 at 10:34 PM, John Mark Vandenberg wrote: > Andreas' idea should be written > up as an IdeaLab project, or research grant proposal, etc. > Thanks. For those interested in getting involved, I've added it on IdeaLab: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Grants:IdeaLab/Wikipedia_Fr

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Announcement: WMF to file suit against the NSA

2015-03-18 Thread Andreas Kolbe
On Wed, Mar 18, 2015 at 1:17 PM, Thyge wrote: > I do not think that WMF's filing a suit against NSA should be a starting > point for demanding the WMF to cure all the evils of the World, political > or otherwise. > Well, not all the evils of the world, obviously. :) But there is certainly prece

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Announcement: WMF to file suit against the NSA

2015-03-18 Thread Andreas Kolbe
On Sun, Mar 15, 2015 at 11:55 PM, Andreas Kolbe wrote: > > > On Sun, Mar 15, 2015 at 10:14 PM, Andreas Kolbe > wrote: > >> On Sun, Mar 15, 2015 at 5:53 PM, phoebe ayers >> wrote: >> >> >>> What other unfortunate laws are >>> happening el

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Announcement: WMF to file suit against the NSA

2015-03-15 Thread Andreas Kolbe
On Sun, Mar 15, 2015 at 10:14 PM, Andreas Kolbe wrote: > On Sun, Mar 15, 2015 at 5:53 PM, phoebe ayers > wrote: > > >> What other unfortunate laws are >> happening elsewhere in the world and how do we track and maybe act on >> those? > > Here is a concret

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Announcement: WMF to file suit against the NSA

2015-03-15 Thread Andreas Kolbe
On Sun, Mar 15, 2015 at 5:53 PM, phoebe ayers wrote: > What other unfortunate laws are > happening elsewhere in the world and how do we track and maybe act on > those? I gave a very specific example in an earlier post this month:[1] "A [Kazakh] law that took effect in January 2012 required ow

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Announcement: WMF to file suit against the NSA

2015-03-13 Thread Andreas Kolbe
Steven Walling has written an interesting answer on Quora about one aspect of the New York Times op-ed, i.e. the threat NSA surveillance supposedly poses to Wikipedians living under oppressive regimes: https://www.quora.com/Would-stopping-NSA-surveillance-really-make-Wikipedia-editors-living-under

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Announcement: WMF to file suit against the NSA

2015-03-13 Thread Andreas Kolbe
On Wed, Mar 11, 2015 at 5:03 AM, MZMcBride wrote: > How does the Wikimedia Foundation intend to protect the rights of > users around the world when it will have a nearly impossible time of > protecting Americans, much less non-Americans? U.S. courts and the U.S. > Congress have made it very clear

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Veteran Malayalam Wikipedian BabuG signed off...

2015-03-05 Thread Andreas Kolbe
Dear Viswa, Thank you for letting us know, and for writing such a beautiful text in memory of your friend. Please send my condolences to his son. Much love, Andreas On Thu, Mar 5, 2015 at 3:07 PM, ViswaPrabha (വിശ്വപ്രഭ) wrote: > Dear Wikimedians all over the world, > > One of our stalwarts at

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Timothy Sandole and (apparently) $53, 690 of WMF funding

2015-03-04 Thread Andreas Kolbe
Just as a postscript to the Belfer Center affair, regular readers will remember that Russavia wrote in March 2014[1] that – *The Stanton Foundation has been a long-term donor to the Wikimedia Foundation [...] Stanton has no website, and apart from several high-profile grants to the Wikimedia Foun

Re: [Wikimedia-l] New software; Gendergap; FOSDEM; Government collaboration

2015-02-04 Thread Andreas Kolbe
Thanks, Romaine. Your thoughts on the gender gap echo some of my own, as expressed here: http://wikipediocracy.com/2014/08/26/why-women-have-no-time-for-wikipedia/ I've taken the liberty of crossposting the relevant parts of your post to the Gendergap list: https://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Commons / OTRS is broken

2015-02-04 Thread Andreas Kolbe
On Wed, Feb 4, 2015 at 10:38 AM, Rjd0060 wrote: > Unfortunately, backlogs > can occasionally crop up and take a bit of time to deal with, especially in > the more complicated e-mails (like BLPs), that can take up to an hour to > process. Just for the avoidance of doubt – when you say these e-

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Commons / OTRS is broken

2015-02-03 Thread Andreas Kolbe
While this may be a different OTRS queue, people have told me in the past that OTRS can take weeks to reply, even in the case of acute BLP problems such as the one described in this BBC Newsnight interview (time code 2:54): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Eg9O-e5KGdQ#t=174 I've heard this both fr

Re: [Wikimedia-l] surveys of active female editors?

2015-01-20 Thread Andreas Kolbe
+1. Here are some more questions that I would be interested in having answers to: -- What do women who are presently editing find most demotivating about contributing to Wikipedia? -- Have they ever thought of throwing in the towel, and what were the reasons? -- Based on past experience, what a

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Most obnoxious banner yet

2015-01-16 Thread Andreas Kolbe
On Fri, Jan 16, 2015 at 9:11 PM, Megan Hernandez wrote: > Hi all, > > Here's a quick follow up on a couple issues from this thread. > > The fundraising team will be posting feedback analysis on March 1. > Thanks, Megan. I look forward to your feedback analysis. > To clear up some confusion a

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Most obnoxious banner yet

2015-01-14 Thread Andreas Kolbe
On Wed, Jan 14, 2015 at 1:32 AM, Megan Hernandez wrote: > We will share an update on this analysis when it > is complete, which will be a part of future discussions around fundraising > practices. > Can we have a date please by which you will share this update? I am sorry to have to ask you th

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Most obnoxious banner yet

2015-01-13 Thread Andreas Kolbe
On Tue, Jan 13, 2015 at 8:47 AM, Federico Leva (Nemo) wrote: > As for the fundraiser's duration, I believe the 2014 fundraiser ran for 30 >> days (December 2 to December 31, 2014). >> > > That's certainly incorrect. https://frdata.wikimedia.org/ > campaign-vs-amount.csv shows about 200 campaigns

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Most obnoxious banner yet

2015-01-12 Thread Andreas Kolbe
On Tue, Jan 13, 2015 at 4:09 AM, MZMcBride wrote: > >Because according to https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Fundraising_2013 – > > > >"In 2012, we were able to shorten the fundraiser down to nine full days, > >the shortest fundraiser we've had." > > I'm not sure about that Meta-Wiki page's claim sp

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Most obnoxious banner yet

2015-01-12 Thread Andreas Kolbe
On Tue, Jan 13, 2015 at 12:59 AM, Risker wrote: > On 12 January 2015 at 15:59, Andreas Kolbe wrote: > > > > > > > > On 12 Jan 2015, at 11:25 pm, Liam Wyatt wrote: > > > > Now that the 2014 Fundraising campaign has finished and which, > > accordin

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Most obnoxious banner yet

2015-01-12 Thread Andreas Kolbe
> > > On 12 Jan 2015, at 11:25 pm, Liam Wyatt wrote: > > Now that the 2014 Fundraising campaign has finished and which, according > to > > a WMF blogpost from a week ago, "surpassed our goal of $20 million" > According to the data provided at https://frdata.wikimedia.org/ the Foundation seems to

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Most obnoxious banner yet

2014-12-31 Thread Andreas Kolbe
On Wed, Dec 31, 2014 at 6:56 PM, Megan Hernandez wrote: > The blue banners at the top of the page do show up more than one time. If > you close these banners, you won't see anymore banners. > That's not my experience here. I've clicked the blue banner away at least three or four times this mon

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fwd: Our final email

2014-12-19 Thread Andreas Kolbe
An e-mail comment from Jimmy Wales, quoted just now in a Digital Spy article[1]: "I'm happy to inform you that our current fundraiser is the most successful in our entire history." The bottom line is that the present banners are evidently more effective at monetising the brand than those used in

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fwd: Our final email

2014-12-19 Thread Andreas Kolbe
On Thu, Dec 18, 2014 at 11:08 PM, Liam Wyatt wrote: > > *Fundraising "operating principles"* > I would like to reiterate my call to see us develop some practical > "operating principles" for fundraising that would give some real-world > guidelines for website-banners and emails. Board of Trustees

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fundraising banners (again)

2014-12-05 Thread Andreas Kolbe
Just seen online: http://emptylighthouse.com/wikipedia-asks-users-help-keep-it-ad-free-fundraiser-344432888 ---o0o--- If you've visited *Wikipedia.org* any time today you will have met up with a *plea from the website. In order for the company to stay ad-free they have appealed to their users fo

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fundraising banners (again)

2014-12-05 Thread Andreas Kolbe
Thanks for this, Phoebe. It's a good summary. (And if you could be so kind as to nudge Tilman about the 2012 editor survey data - it's been over two years - and let the Gendergap list know what the gender split was in that survey, it would be much appreciated.) Andreas On Fri, Dec 5, 2014 at 6:1

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fundraising banners (again)

2014-12-04 Thread Andreas Kolbe
On Thu, Dec 4, 2014 at 11:49 PM, phoebe ayers wrote: > Personally speaking: I happen to like this year's banners, more than > last year's. The boxes and disclaimers are clearer, the text is to the > point. And yes, I think the messaging is accurate. This is the text > I'm seeing in the U.S. at th

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fundraising banners (again)

2014-12-04 Thread Andreas Kolbe
Lila, when you say, "pilot with one of our next user groups", when would this pilot happen, and whom/how many people would this pilot "user group" comprise? Best, Andreas On Thu, Dec 4, 2014 at 5:57 PM, Lila Tretikov wrote: > I recommend those of you who would like to come up with some test wor

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fundraising banners (again)

2014-12-03 Thread Andreas Kolbe
I have no doubt that the banners work. But in the opinion of a number of commentators here, the banners currently feature a very alarming wording – making it sound as though there is not enough money to keep Wikipedia online for another year without introducing advertising – and yet we know that th

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fundraising banners (again)

2014-12-03 Thread Andreas Kolbe
Good points. Many people feel sincere gratitude towards Wikipedia, and its volunteer writers. I would suggest that the fundraising messages could *also* mention that another way people can express their gratitude to Wikipedia would be to become contributors themselves. On Wed, Dec 3, 2014 at 1:0

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fundraising banners (again)

2014-12-03 Thread Andreas Kolbe
But in this case, we certainly need to stop giving them the ammo. > > Regards, > Charles > > > > On Wed, Dec 3, 2014 at 10:05 PM, Andreas Kolbe wrote: > > > On Wed, Dec 3, 2014 at 9:13 AM, Martijn Hoekstra < > > martijnhoeks...@gmail.com> > > wrote: >

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fundraising banners (again)

2014-12-03 Thread Andreas Kolbe
On Wed, Dec 3, 2014 at 9:13 AM, Martijn Hoekstra wrote: > > I know I used to write an email internally every year, saying our banners > > are getting out of control, but that's because every year they get bigger > > and more obscuring of the content. This year, as usual, is not an > exception. >

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fundraising banners (again)

2014-11-27 Thread Andreas Kolbe
wordings that tell prospective donors openly and honestly about the programs the donated funds will be used for, and the tangible benefits the public can expect to receive from those programs. Andreas > On Thu, Nov 27, 2014 at 4:36 AM, Andreas Kolbe wrote: > > > On Thu, Nov 27,

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fundraising banners (again)

2014-11-27 Thread Andreas Kolbe
On Thu, Nov 27, 2014 at 11:44 AM, Liam Wyatt wrote: I am however negatively-struck by the finishing statement, a return to the > old motto of "keep us online without advertising for one more year". I > thought that we had collectively agreed that banners that directly threaten > advertising next

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Call to Action

2014-10-07 Thread Andreas Kolbe
On Tue, Oct 7, 2014 at 1:40 PM, Milos Rancic wrote: > Because of that, I am very happy to see somebody with courage and > integrity in the top management. Such person has much larger potential > to create the momentum and build community enthusiasm again. > Is someone saying "I have courage and

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Call to Action

2014-10-06 Thread Andreas Kolbe
The community has heard a lot from the WMF about courage, honesty, integrity and leadership – and rather too much of the latter of late: let's remember that the Wikimedia Foundation's values[1] speak of *community-led* projects. ---o0o--- Our community is our biggest asset We are a community-bas

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Next steps regarding WMF<->community disputes about deployments

2014-09-05 Thread Andreas Kolbe
I'm not sure the term "loop" is appropriate. So far, I see little evidence that feedback provided [1] is making any appreciable difference. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Flow On Fri, Sep 5, 2014 at 5:34 PM, Marc A. Pelletier wrote: > On 09/05/2014 11:12 AM, Yaroslav M. Blant

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Child Protection and Harassment Policy

2014-06-02 Thread Andreas Kolbe
On Mon, Jun 2, 2014 at 10:16 PM, Michael Jahn wrote: > Being the spokesperson, the statement is by and large correct, although not > given in this context but as a reply to a content-related question from one > day earlier. It was used in the linked news source articel, to which the > teacher's a

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Child Protection and Harassment Policy

2014-06-02 Thread Andreas Kolbe
Returning briefly to NSFW content on Wikimedia sites, there has been some press coverage in Germany these past couple of days: * http://www.news4teachers.de/2014/06/jugendgefaehrdend-porno-links-in-wikipedia/ * http://www.news4teachers.de/2014/06/die-porno-links-in-wikipedia-ein-politischer-skand

Re: [Wikimedia-l] A personal note.

2014-05-28 Thread Andreas Kolbe
On Wed, May 28, 2014 at 11:37 PM, Wil Sinclair wrote: > I didn't know that he called you a "faggot." Could you please show me > where? > That post was removed from view at the time (May 2012). http://wikipediocracy.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=3707#p3707 What Greg had said on WO was, ---o0o---

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Child Protection and Harassment Policy

2014-05-28 Thread Andreas Kolbe
On Wed, May 28, 2014 at 9:32 PM, Wil Sinclair wrote: > I'd also like to hear about specific examples of > content on Commons that a parent might not find appropriate for their > children. Wil and all, Note that all the links I am posting below are NSFW. 1. The other day I found that if a P

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Participating on Wikipediocracy

2014-05-25 Thread Andreas Kolbe
On Sun, May 25, 2014 at 12:16 PM, David Gerard wrote: > The main thing to keep in mind is that, even when the community > members are being INFURIATING IDIOTS (and almost certainly considering > you an infuriating idiot in turn) - that what we're doing here is > actually making the world a bette

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Participating on Wikipediocracy

2014-05-24 Thread Andreas Kolbe
On Sat, May 24, 2014 at 11:33 PM, Russavia wrote: > Andreas > > > And he's not the only Wikimedia admin to participate on WO incognito. > That > > in itself is food for thought. > > And therein lies the problem. > > In 28byte's case he actively attacked myself and another editor on WO > forums on

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Participating on Wikipediocracy

2014-05-24 Thread Andreas Kolbe
On Sat, May 24, 2014 at 10:33 PM, David Gerard wrote: > > > I'll express it. I think it does. It's a festering pit of spammers, > trolls and nutters, and is a net negative in just about every way. > en:wp arbitrators coming here and talking about Wikipediocracy as if > they're their constituency

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Participating on Wikipediocracy

2014-05-24 Thread Andreas Kolbe
Marc, I am sure you are aware of the discussion here: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Sue_Gardner#Child_protection Those concerns were raised not by banned trolls, but by members of the English Wikipedia's arbitration committee, and other users with advanced permissions. They were rais

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Commons' frontpage probably shouldn't prominently feature a decontextualised stack of corpses.

2014-05-19 Thread Andreas Kolbe
On Tue, May 20, 2014 at 12:05 AM, Risker wrote: > On 19 May 2014 18:59, Andreas Kolbe wrote: > > > On Sun, May 18, 2014 at 3:08 AM, Russavia > >wrote: > > > > > Once new search is working, the first enhancement to the search should > > > be a clus

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Commons' frontpage probably shouldn't prominently feature a decontextualised stack of corpses.

2014-05-19 Thread Andreas Kolbe
On Sun, May 18, 2014 at 3:08 AM, Russavia wrote: > Once new search is working, the first enhancement to the search should > be a clustering feature.[3] Wouldn't such a feature pretty much solve > the problem that we currently have with search, and which won't be > solved by the "out-of-the-box" se

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Commons' frontpage probably shouldn't prominently feature a decontextualised stack of corpses.

2014-05-16 Thread Andreas Kolbe
ay 16, 2014 at 8:11 PM, Andreas Kolbe wrote: > On Fri, May 16, 2014 at 9:43 AM, Russavia wrote: > >> Kevin, >> >> Feel free to have one of the people who don't have a nasty head injury >> ask me the question. That would be fine, and I would actually prefer >&

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Commons' frontpage probably shouldn't prominently feature a decontextualised stack of corpses.

2014-05-16 Thread Andreas Kolbe
On Fri, May 16, 2014 at 9:43 AM, Russavia wrote: > Kevin, > > Feel free to have one of the people who don't have a nasty head injury > ask me the question. That would be fine, and I would actually prefer > it. Given your head injury, I'm actually a little surprised that your > friends did think of

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Commons' frontpage probably shouldn't prominently feature a decontextualised stack of corpses.

2014-05-16 Thread Andreas Kolbe
On Fri, May 16, 2014 at 9:46 AM, Pete Forsyth wrote: > I agree with your more sophisticated concerns about what is going on. > However, I think it's really important to put them in context. If Wikimedia > Commons had existed in 1985, this would be a very compelling line of > criticism. But in 201

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Commons' frontpage probably shouldn't prominently feature a decontextualised stack of corpses.

2014-05-16 Thread Andreas Kolbe
On Fri, May 16, 2014 at 9:05 AM, Pete Forsyth wrote: > The point of I'm trying to make in this discussion is, we > do a lot more good by focusing on what's working, and then expanding on > that, than we do by getting all accusatory about the things that are *not* > working. Think of a surgeon

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Commons' frontpage probably shouldn't prominently feature a decontextualised stack of corpses.

2014-05-15 Thread Andreas Kolbe
On Fri, May 16, 2014 at 3:09 AM, Risker wrote: > Pete, you know the "toothbrush" image you talk about on your blog still > shows up on a Commons search for "electric toothbrush", right? It's in > Category:Nude > or partially nude people with electric > toothbrushes< > https://commons.wikimedia.or

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Commons' frontpage probably shouldn't prominently feature a decontextualised stack of corpses.

2014-05-15 Thread Andreas Kolbe
On Thu, May 15, 2014 at 11:20 PM, Pete Forsyth wrote: > Andreas, in response to your last message -- I'm perfectly fine with the > examples you provided! I just happen to think they do a better job > supporting my position ("Commons is healthy and productive") I'd have been more impressed if Co

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Commons' frontpage probably shouldn't prominently feature a decontextualised stack of corpses.

2014-05-13 Thread Andreas Kolbe
On Wed, May 14, 2014 at 1:18 AM, Pete Forsyth wrote: > On Tue, May 13, 2014 at 2:05 PM, Andreas Kolbe wrote: > On Tue, May 13, 2014 at 9:53 PM, Pete Forsyth wrote: > > Admins and crats on commons have also historically made a large number of > > decisions that fly in the

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Commons' frontpage probably shouldn't prominently feature a decontextualised stack of corpses.

2014-05-13 Thread Andreas Kolbe
On Tue, May 13, 2014 at 9:53 PM, Pete Forsyth wrote: > > Admins and crats on commons have also historically made a large number of > > decisions that fly in the face of WMF board resolutions, often > repeatedly. > > > > David Gerard's point is ringing very true here: you will not make this > asse

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Metrics - accuracy of Wikipedia articles

2014-05-09 Thread Andreas Kolbe
On Fri, May 9, 2014 at 11:17 AM, Stevie Benton < stevie.ben...@wikimedia.org.uk> wrote: > Hello everyone, > > I think Wikimedia UK has an example project, related to medical articles, > that may be of interest. John Byrne is the Wikimedian in Residence at > Cancer Research UK, one of the UK's larg

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Metrics - accuracy of Wikipedia articles

2014-05-09 Thread Andreas Kolbe
On Thu, May 8, 2014 at 8:26 PM, phoebe ayers wrote: > -- Forwarded message -- > From: David Gerard > > > While acknowledging the likely truth of the flaws in scientific > > knowledge production as it stands (single studies in medicine being > > literally useless, as 80% are actua

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Metrics - accuracy of Wikipedia articles

2014-05-08 Thread Andreas Kolbe
On Thu, May 8, 2014 at 8:17 AM, Anthony Cole wrote: > Regarding expert review, Doc James has just announced that a version of > Wikipedia's article "Dengue fever" has passed peer review and been accepted > for publication by the journal Open Medicine. I think this is a special > moment. > > > htt

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Metrics - accuracy of Wikipedia articles

2014-05-08 Thread Andreas Kolbe
On Thu, May 8, 2014 at 10:08 AM, edward wrote: > "While academic attitudes to Wikipedia may be of some interest they are > not a proxy for quality." > > I don't understand this. I'm not saying I disagree, I just don't > understand. How would an attitude be a 'proxy' for quality? I think what G

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Metrics - accuracy of Wikipedia articles

2014-05-08 Thread Andreas Kolbe
On Thu, May 8, 2014 at 8:12 AM, geni wrote: > On 8 May 2014 01:00, Andreas Kolbe wrote: > > > As for study design, I'd suggest you begin with a *random* sample of > > frequently-viewed Wikipedia articles in a given topic area (e.g. those > > within the purview o

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Metrics - accuracy of Wikipedia articles

2014-05-07 Thread Andreas Kolbe
On Thu, May 8, 2014 at 3:41 AM, Risker wrote: > Yes, of course readability analysis is done by automation. I've yet to > find a consistent readability assessment that doesn't use automation. It's > not an area where subjectivity is particularly useful. > > And that was an average of 18 minutes

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Metrics - accuracy of Wikipedia articles

2014-05-07 Thread Andreas Kolbe
On Thu, May 8, 2014 at 2:41 AM, Risker wrote: > > > I think perhaps there is a lack of research into the extent of research > already being done by independent, qualified third parties. Several > examples are provided in the references of the study you posted, Andreas. > For example, this one in

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Metrics - accuracy of Wikipedia articles

2014-05-07 Thread Andreas Kolbe
On Thu, May 8, 2014 at 1:30 AM, Nathan wrote: > On Wed, May 7, 2014 at 8:24 PM, Wil Sinclair wrote: > > > I'm a total newb here, and I know the grant system between WMF and the > > different chapters has been debated in the past. But I have a simple > > question: if WMF is funding these efforts

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Metrics - accuracy of Wikipedia articles

2014-05-07 Thread Andreas Kolbe
On Thu, May 8, 2014 at 1:06 AM, Thyge wrote: > Maybe you should suggest that to the universities and not just to this > mailing list. > Nothing prevents to set up " an independent panel of academic experts" and > to start doing that job today. > regards, > Thyge > Well, I'd like the Foundation

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Metrics - accuracy of Wikipedia articles

2014-05-07 Thread Andreas Kolbe
On Thu, May 8, 2014 at 12:48 AM, Thyge wrote: > mr Andreas Kolbe, > I would like to tell you, that your mailings here strike me as being > negative and unhelpful. > :) > If you have any suggestions for improvement, please put them forward, since > this is an intere

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Metrics - accuracy of Wikipedia articles

2014-05-07 Thread Andreas Kolbe
On Thu, May 8, 2014 at 12:22 AM, phoebe ayers wrote: > On Wed, May 7, 2014 at 3:14 PM, Andreas Kolbe wrote: > > > Anne, there are really well-established systems of scholarly peer review. > > There is no need to reinvent the wheel, or add distractions such as > > infob

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Metrics - accuracy of Wikipedia articles

2014-05-07 Thread Andreas Kolbe
On Wed, May 7, 2014 at 11:40 PM, Risker wrote: > Ah, but the costliest conditions aren't actually comparable to the relevant > Wikipedia articles. For example, the "costly condition" of cancer is > compared to the article on lung cancer, despite the fact that we have an > article on cancer. The

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Metrics - accuracy of Wikipedia articles

2014-05-07 Thread Andreas Kolbe
On Wed, May 7, 2014 at 11:32 PM, Michael Maggs wrote: > Measuring the quality of Wikipedia articles in general is an issue that > Wikimedia UK is interested in looking at, though by means of automation > rather than the gold-standard but much less scalable method of scholarly > peer review. > I

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Metrics - accuracy of Wikipedia articles

2014-05-07 Thread Andreas Kolbe
Junk science? I suppose the Article Feedback Tool was more scientific, then, because that's the best the Foundation has come up with so far. On Wed, May 7, 2014 at 11:27 PM, Risker wrote: > On 7 May 2014 18:14, Andreas Kolbe wrote: > > > Anne, there are really well-estab

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Metrics - accuracy of Wikipedia articles

2014-05-07 Thread Andreas Kolbe
, diabetes mellitus, back pain, hyperlipidemia and concussion. Carry on. On Wed, May 7, 2014 at 11:19 PM, David Gerard wrote: > On 7 May 2014 23:14, Andreas Kolbe wrote: > > > For what it's worth, there was a recent external study of Wikipedia's > > medical con

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Metrics - accuracy of Wikipedia articles

2014-05-07 Thread Andreas Kolbe
Anne, there are really well-established systems of scholarly peer review. There is no need to reinvent the wheel, or add distractions such as infoboxes and other bells and whistles. I find it extraordinary that, after 13 years, a project designed to make the sum of human knowledge available to hum

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Timothy Sandole and (apparently) $53, 690 of WMF funding

2014-04-16 Thread Andreas Kolbe
Article on the matter in The Daily Dot, April 14: http://www.dailydot.com/business/wikipedia-paid-editing-scandal-stanton/ Apparently, Tim Sandole complains of not having been managed properly by anybody, saying, "The person I dealt with at Wikimedia didn't seem to know anything about Wikipedia."

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Timothy Sandole and (apparently) $53, 690 of WMF funding

2014-04-01 Thread Andreas Kolbe
On Tue, Apr 1, 2014 at 4:34 PM, Erik Moeller wrote: > I do think there's an inherent risk with situating paid editors > within specific institutions, because there may be a tendency that > comes with that to attach undue weight to that institution's work. Certainly. And it's something the Wiki

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Timothy Sandole and (apparently) $53, 690 of WMF funding

2014-04-01 Thread Andreas Kolbe
As far as I am concerned, what was wrong with this situation wasn't that the Wikimedia Foundation paid a trained academic to edit Wikipedia. I venture that most donors and members of the general public wouldn't have a problem with that at all. What was wrong? 1. The obvious appearance of impropri

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Paid editing v. paid advocacy (editing)

2014-01-12 Thread Andreas Kolbe
On Sun, Jan 12, 2014 at 10:06 AM, Andre Engels wrote: > On Fri, Jan 10, 2014 at 10:06 PM, Andreas Kolbe > wrote: > > > Which reminds me – I often think it odd that Wikimedia will fund a > > Wikipedian-in-Residence for some regional tourist attraction (think the > > Wel

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Paid editing v. paid advocacy (editing)

2014-01-11 Thread Andreas Kolbe
On Fri, Jan 10, 2014 at 8:35 PM, Ting Chen wrote: > Hello Peter, > > I see the following two possibilities: > > Either the paid editing brings a higher quality and thus by that quality > imposes itself as an authority and thus discourage further "unqualified" > editing > > Or the paid editing doe

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Paid editing v. paid advocacy (editing)

2014-01-10 Thread Andreas Kolbe
On Fri, Jan 10, 2014 at 3:17 PM, Andrew Lih wrote: > Ting and Christophe, > > Glad to hear we are moving forward on finding more sophisticated ways of > thinking about "paid" editing. At least for the English Wikipedians I've > talked to, many are pleasantly surprised that the European editions a

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Paid editing v. paid advocacy (editing)

2014-01-10 Thread Andreas Kolbe
On Fri, Jan 10, 2014 at 3:13 PM, Brad Jorsch (Anomie) wrote: > (Note these are my own personal views and in no way reflect any views of > the WMF or anyone else) > > On Fri, Jan 10, 2014 at 7:34 AM, Christophe Henner < > christophe.hen...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > Now, the question about "paid advo

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Paid editing v. paid advocacy (editing)

2014-01-10 Thread Andreas Kolbe
Quite. Museums' self-interest in employing a Wikipedian-in-Residence is often quite evident from the way the position is described ("raise our profile" etc.) And what about, say, the Henry Ford Museum? Or the Volkswagen museum? Is that not knowledge? Is it "evil", because it's part of a business?

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Paid editing v. paid advocacy (editing)

2014-01-10 Thread Andreas Kolbe
Christophe's comment about Wikipedia's company articles not being very complete reminded me of a fun infographic: http://farm6.staticflickr.com/5474/11871822903_714f36a83e_h.jpg There is a strange, systemic hostility towards business at work in the English Wikipedia. Combined with a love for pop

Re: [Wikimedia-l] WMF employee writing articles for $300

2014-01-06 Thread Andreas Kolbe
yge wrote: > I'm not in principle against transparent paid editing, but it could > actually be considered to violate the ToU's wording: "misrepresenting your > affiliation with any individual or entity" > > Regards, > Sir48 > > > 2014/1/6 Andreas Kol

Re: [Wikimedia-l] WMF employee writing articles for $300

2014-01-06 Thread Andreas Kolbe
at is not a permissible use of socks. The > community expects to place more scrutiny on paid editors, not less. > On Jan 6, 2014 6:23 AM, "Andreas Kolbe" wrote: > > > That doesn't follow to me from that wording, Nathan. The English > Wikipedia > > for example allo

Re: [Wikimedia-l] WMF employee writing articles for $300

2014-01-06 Thread Andreas Kolbe
d read it. Just like John Smith, they did not use the name of some other user. They created multiple accounts. There was no other user whose username they used, or whom they tried to impersonate. On Mon, Jan 6, 2014 at 1:07 PM, Nathan wrote: > On Mon, Jan 6, 2014 at 8:01 AM, Andreas Kolbe wrote

Re: [Wikimedia-l] WMF employee writing articles for $300

2014-01-06 Thread Andreas Kolbe
Nathan, I am unable to find a mention of sockpuppetry in the Terms of Use, whether in Section 4 or elsewhere. http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Terms_of_Use I don't think there could be such a mention, really, given that project policies recognise a number of legitimate uses of socks. A. On

Re: [Wikimedia-l] is wikipedia zero illegal because it violates net neutrality?

2013-08-27 Thread Andreas Kolbe
On Mon, Aug 26, 2013 at 10:13 PM, George Herbert wrote: > It was not rhetorical, but you missed the point. > > Net neutrality is an issue because service providers (can / may / often do) > become a local monopoly of sorts. Monopilies are not necessarily bad (how > many water and natural gas line

Re: [Wikimedia-l] is wikipedia zero illegal because it violates net neutrality?

2013-08-27 Thread Andreas Kolbe
rred way to their or our benefit? What benefit do we get? ---o0o--- I was answering your question. Andreas [1] http://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikimedia-l/2013-August/127746.html > > > On Tue, Aug 27, 2013 at 6:31 AM, Andreas Kolbe wrote: > > > I guess t

Re: [Wikimedia-l] is wikipedia zero illegal because it violates net neutrality?

2013-08-27 Thread Andreas Kolbe
I guess the benefit to the Wikipedia Zero providers is that making Wikipedia available for free to their subscribers is a competitive advantage for them. That seems obvious enough, and it is acknowledged in the Wikimedia Foundation FAQ, http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Mobile_partnerships: ---o

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Let's have the courage to sit down and talk about VisualEditor

2013-07-31 Thread Andreas Kolbe
On Wed, Jul 31, 2013 at 7:28 PM, David Gerard wrote: > On 31 July 2013 19:27, Erik Moeller wrote: > > On Wed, Jul 31, 2013 at 5:36 AM, David Gerard wrote: > > >> Erik, James - how did de:wp convinced you when en:wp hasn't? > > > I don't really agree with your framing - it's not about who's > >

Re: [Wikimedia-l] The soft underbelly of the WP: the sponsored private fiefdoms that thrive in the blind spots

2013-07-23 Thread Andreas Kolbe
On Wed, Jul 24, 2013 at 2:36 AM, Rui Correia wrote: > Thanks Andreas > > Iit didn't cross my mind that you would actually go and check - at the time > the search terms were in Portuguese, so you will probably find different > results - If I find the original pic I will send it to you. > Please

Re: [Wikimedia-l] The soft underbelly of the WP: the sponsored private fiefdoms that thrive in the blind spots

2013-07-23 Thread Andreas Kolbe
ld be ade known on the site, just like > any other porn site. > > And thankd for your offer to help, much appreciated. > > Best regards, > > Rui > > On 23 July 2013 19:12, Andreas Kolbe wrote: > > > Rui, > > > > There are four answers I could give

Re: [Wikimedia-l] The soft underbelly of the WP: the sponsored private fiefdoms that thrive in the blind spots

2013-07-23 Thread Andreas Kolbe
Marc, The page I linked to says in part: "It goes without saying that using the process described we are also unable to verify the identity of the person(s) behind the user account." ("Es versteht sich von selbst, dass wir mit dem beschriebenen Verfahren auch nicht die Identität der hinter dem B

Re: [Wikimedia-l] The soft underbelly of the WP: the sponsored private fiefdoms that thrive in the blind spots

2013-07-23 Thread Andreas Kolbe
Todd, Yes, it's done via OTRS. Details are here: http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Benutzerverifizierung (User verification) Google translation: http://translate.google.com/translate?sl=auto&tl=en&js=n&prev=_t&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&u=http%3A%2F%2Fde.wikipedia.org%2Fwiki%2FWikipedia%3ABenutzerveri

Re: [Wikimedia-l] The soft underbelly of the WP: the sponsored private fiefdoms that thrive in the blind spots

2013-07-23 Thread Andreas Kolbe
Rui, There are four answers I could give you. See whether you like any of them: *Answer the First* This problem has existed ever since Wikipedia became visible enough for agenda-driven editors to bother with it, and people have made complaints like yours ever since. Nothing has changed, and noth

Re: [Wikimedia-l] An idea for a different type of community-pedia project

2013-02-15 Thread Andreas Kolbe
Doh! For "Wikipedia community governance review" at the end of the first paragraph read "Wikimedia UK governance review". A. On Fri, Feb 15, 2013 at 4:42 PM, Andreas Kolbe wrote: > An idea that arose from a discussion on whether to lift restrictions on > Gibraltar

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Strange, surprising, bold and unnecessary - reply to the WMF board statement

2013-02-07 Thread Andreas Kolbe
On Thu, Feb 7, 2013 at 3:04 AM, Sarah wrote: > On Wed, Feb 6, 2013 at 7:59 PM, Theo10011 wrote: > > > BTW that entire "rag tag group of amateurs doing something amazing", > > doesn't hold very true indefinitely We were doing something amazing when > > we started, but we're really not amateurs a

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Editor retention (was Re: "Big data" benefits and limitations (relevance: WMF editor engagement, fundraising, and HR practices))

2013-01-10 Thread Andreas Kolbe
On Thu, Jan 10, 2013 at 6:38 PM, Federico Leva (Nemo) wrote: > Andreas Kolbe, 10/01/2013 19:21: > > > Open these two pages: > > > > http://stats.wikimedia.org/EN/**ChartsWikipediaFR.htm<http://stats.wikimedia.org/EN/ChartsWikipediaFR.htm> > > http://stats.wiki

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